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New York - Empire Kosher Poultry Set to Enter Kosher Beef Market With Hechsher Of KAJ

Published on: September 8, 2008 06:04 PM
By: Kosher Today
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New York - Empire Kosher Poultry, founded in 1938 by Joseph Katz, is set to enter the kosher meat market, sources told KosherToday. The beef will not be sold under the Empire brand, due to trademark restrictions, but will be certified by the Star-K Kosher Certification and Khal Adas Jeshurun. Sources say that Neil Rosenbaum, the company CEO, has worked out a deal with the AD Rosenblatt brand to use the small slaughterhouse in Wichita, Kansas that Rosenblatt uses.

AD Rosenblatt was launched two years ago by Rabbi Yaakov Rosenblatt, a Brooklyn transplant, who currently resides in Dallas, Texas. Kosher industry sources say that at this point, the Empire move is no more than a “foray,” but that Empire, once the dominant kosher poultry producer in the U.S., was looking to take advantage of changes in the marketplace, including the ongoing problems at Agriprocessors in Postville, Iowa. One source said, “Empire watched helplessly as Agriprocessors and Alle Processing ate away at their market share in poultry and it was only a matter of time that Empire would venture into their territory.”

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For the Star-K, headed by Rabbi Moshe Heinemann, the new brand is the second kosher meat to be certified by the agency. The Star-K certifies the J.W. Treuth company in Baltimore. For KAJ, which already certifies Empire Poultry along with the Orthodox Union (OU), the new brand provides them with a source of beef, which they lost when they ended their relationship with Agriprocessors in April. Despite the new Rosenblatt and Empire products, kosher sources are still concerned over a shortage of kosher beef in many parts of the country due to the cutbacks in production at Agriprocessors.


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 Sep 08, 2008 at 06:50 PM Load o' Lox Says:

I guess we've got one more facility for those who love hating the orthodox. Go ahead guys. Let the animal huggin, illegal luvin, anti work, anti everything else - folks have one more establishment to go after.

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 Sep 08, 2008 at 06:47 PM McCain-Palin 08 Says:

They were always kosher under the OU was good enough for either way welcome to a broader market

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 Sep 08, 2008 at 06:46 PM Choizik Says:

If it will help bring down the price of Glatt Kosher meat, I'm all for it.

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 Sep 08, 2008 at 07:16 PM RU Savvy Says:

Oh I get it. You're implying that Rubashkin was targeted for a reason; not because of anything they did wrong. You can believe that if you like, though I suppose that means your comment was a load of something else after all.

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 Sep 08, 2008 at 07:13 PM RU Savvy Says:

Load o' Lox ... explain what you're talking about. Because, as it stands, your comment reads like a load of something else.

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 Sep 08, 2008 at 07:07 PM Anonymous Says:

to Load o' Lox

If they run it like Rubashkin then yes but Empire runs a clean, operation and my guess would be they will be left alone.

Rubashkin was attacked because of his misdeeds not because he is orthodox.

Load o' Lox you remind me of people who scream "when are they going to stop harassing Italians, the only reason they are prosecuting him is because he is Italian, you know" said, many people when the government went after John Gotti

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 Sep 08, 2008 at 07:42 PM ESTEE LIEBERMAN Says:

Empire is not owned by jews, they're owned by a private equity firm

And to those of you that are bashing rubashkins I suggest you learn the facts before you comment

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 Sep 08, 2008 at 07:35 PM HirshelTzig Says:

If you think this will bring the price of meat down, think again. The price is about to go through the roof, thanks to the Government coming down on Rubashkin, and oh, thanks to the other holy roller companies like Alle taking advantage of the consumer and sticking it to them. All with Rabbinic supervision, of course...

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 Sep 08, 2008 at 07:32 PM Yonason Says:

Hey Load O Lox - you need to work out that anger.

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 Sep 08, 2008 at 07:30 PM Anonymous Says:

why woudn't Empire meat be under the OU when their chicken is?

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 Sep 08, 2008 at 07:46 PM anonymous Says:

ESTEE LIEBERMAN Says:
Empire is not owned by jews, they're owned by a private equity firm

And to those of you that are bashing rubashkins I suggest you learn the facts before you comment
09-08-2008 - 7:42 PM
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So what are the 'facts'?

Who owns the private equity firm?

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 Sep 08, 2008 at 07:46 PM Load o' Lox Says:

All i'm saying is... That when one Plant in the great big US of A gets all the HEADLINES. Day after Day after Day. In a country that has illegals as virtually ALL the farm laborers and ALL the landscapers and ALL the housekeepers and ALL the ALL the construction workers. Just drive through many streetcorners where they ALL congregate out in the open in OFFICIALLY SANCTIONED work areas. three million illegals AT MINIMUM. Then to go after Rubashkin on a daily basis is crazzzzzzzzzzzzy.

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 Sep 08, 2008 at 08:32 PM Lock & Load Says:

It doesnt matter what Load o' Lox says or RU Savvy says
The fact is that this will be good for Business
and for all of us.......
Go Empire Go

Lock & Load.....

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 Sep 08, 2008 at 08:24 PM Anonymous Says:

ESTEE LIEBERMAN Says:
Empire is not owned by jews, they're owned by a private equity firm

And to those of you that are bashing rubashkins I suggest you learn the facts before you comment
09-08-2008 - 7:42 PM

empire is privtaly owned by some named katz

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 Sep 08, 2008 at 08:15 PM political analyst Says:

estee, unfortunately jewish ownership doesn't mean much in this day & age. if you know something we don't then please share it but your arguments are evading the issue at hand.

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 Sep 08, 2008 at 08:11 PM political analyst Says:

a competitive marketplace benefits everyone. empire, welcome & good luck. keep your standards high & your operation clean, you'll be ok.

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 Sep 08, 2008 at 08:02 PM look Says:

our demise of meat prices going through the roof is more attributed to self hating jews and the lothsome attitude people have adopted to hate rubashkins.. yes that is why its in the paper (because people want it there) so if we as yidden dont learn how to live together with respect we are all doomed!

and no empire and alle and anyone will resolve this issue (let alone the federal government)

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 Sep 08, 2008 at 07:54 PM yitzchok Says:

Private equity firm that owns or at one point did own empire is called Apollo management, and in fact the head guy there is Jewish, his name is Leon Black.

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 Sep 08, 2008 at 10:39 PM Anonymous Says:

Anonymous Says:
why woudn't Empire meat be under the OU when their chicken is?
09-08-2008 - 7:30 PM
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because poultry is way less problematic then beef, kashrus wise

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 Sep 08, 2008 at 09:41 PM ShatzMatz Says:

What is the trademark issue with "Empire" brand meat?

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 Sep 08, 2008 at 11:27 PM Chaim Yankel Says:

Empire is owned by Palisades Associated of MD.

The CEO and controlling interest is Jewish.

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 Sep 08, 2008 at 10:59 PM Meatloaf Says:

Empire is owned by Palisades Associates, Inc.
The CEO is Mr. Greg Rosenbaum. He is a good man who knows how to run a business and treats his employees w derech eretz.

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 Sep 08, 2008 at 10:56 PM WIDOV Says:

It's unfortunate that Agri , for whatever reasons, were not using good buisiness sense.It's ludicrous for such a company to use illegal aliens, when they could have been caught at any time.Think what would happen if Coke would use illegals.
For Agri to succeed they need to hire a proffesional CEO

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 Sep 09, 2008 at 12:31 AM anamoyous Says:

lets all eat fish............way healthyer

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 Sep 09, 2008 at 06:42 AM Simon kalman Says:

its just a new name Empire. that's it rosenblat Owned this operating already many year's yeah wait till he gets bigger than the monster like union hekshar tzdek yidel Philip shain in behalf of peta will bash them up

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 Sep 09, 2008 at 07:35 AM anonymous Says:

ShatzMatz Says:
What is the trademark issue with "Empire" brand meat?
09-08-2008 - 9:41 PM
empire national is a meat company in brooklyn that owns the name in beef.

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 Sep 09, 2008 at 02:39 AM Anonymous Says:

To all who think this is an agenda against shchita
and not at the bad practices of Rubashkin, here is what Temple Grandin says in her own words about Rubaskin. If one reads it you will see she has NO PROBLEM with shchita, Just rubashkin

Temple Grandin

Answers to questions about cattle insensibility and pain during kosher slaughter and analysis of the Agriprocessors video
by Temple Grandin

Below is the letter I wrote after I watched the video that PETA filmed at the Agriprocessors plant in Iowa.

During my career I have visited over 30 kosher beef plants in the U.S., Canada and other countries. I have also worked on designing restraint equipment to replace shackling and hoisting in kosher slaughter plants. Kosher slaughter without stunning can be done with an acceptable level of welfare when it is done correctly (Grandin, 1994). When shehita is performed correctly with the long knife, the cattle appear not to feel it.

This tape shows atrocious procedures that are NOT performed in any other kosher operation. Removal of the trachea and other internal parts before the animal has become insensible would cause great suffering and pain. Many of the cattle on this tape had this dressing procedure performed when they were still fully sensible. Several cattle were walking around with the trachea and other parts hanging out of them. To provide an acceptable level of welfare the animal MUST be allowed to become fully insensible after shehita before any dressing procedure is done.

This plant also has some serious cattle handling and restraint problems. About 50% of the cattle were vocalizing during handling and restraint. This is due to bad practices such as using an electric prod to position the animal's head in the head holder. In a well run kosher plant the percentage of cattle that would vocalize during handling and restraint would be 5%.

To bring this plant up to an acceptable level of animal welfare the following is required. Items 1 and 2 are the most important:

1. ALL cattle must be completely insensible before trachea removal or any other skinning procedure is conducted. Shehita (religious slaughter) is the ONLY procedure that can be conducted on a sensible animal.

2. Improve handling and other procedures to reduce the percentage of cattle that vocalize to 5%. This will be in compliance with AMI guidelines.

3. Implement a system of internal and third party audits to maintain animal welfare standards.

4. For the highest level of animal welfare perform shehita while the animal is in the upright position. (This can be done in the existing equipment).

In conclusion, many of the cattle that had their trachea removed were fully conscious and fully sensible. The duration of complete sensibility was probably prolonged by the pain of having their inner tissues cut and pulled during this dressing procedure.

Since I wrote this letter many statements have been made on the web about how to evaluate this video. My evaluation is based on both scientific studies and my own experiences in kosher plants.

Question 1: Was the animal walking around with it's throat cut still conscious?
The walking animal was definitely fully conscious and ripping of the trachea would have caused great pain. Any animal that walks, lifts it's head, or attempts to get up after slaughter is still aware and conscious. Cattle on the floor that thrashed and kicked but made no attempt to raise their head where unconscious and insensible. Leg kicking is just reflexes, but raising of the head would be an indication of sensibility.
Question 2: Why did shehita fail to induce rapid unconsciousness in some cattle?
I have observed kosher slaughter of thousands of cattle and calves. Some shochets are much more effective than other shochets. The cuts from all the shochets were proper and acceptable from a religious standpoint but some shochets performed cuts that were biologically more effective. Shochets who performed a fast knife stroke at the moment the carotid arteries were cut induced rapid unconsciousness more reliably than shochets who used a slower stroke. A slower stroke may cause the blood vessels to seal off. I have observed that cattle are more likely to attempt to get up when a slow stroke is used. Other variables include the angle and the exact position of the cut. The best shochets are able to cause over 90% of the cattle to collapse within 10 seconds. It is my opinion that shochets should be evaluated on the ability to perform both ritually correct cuts and biologically effective cuts. This could be done by scoring them on the percentage of cattle that collapse within 10 seconds.
Question 3: Does the animal feel the shehita cut?
I have operated the hydraulic controls on restraining boxes that hold cattle in a standing upright position. To determine if the animal felt the shehita cut, I experimented by using less and less pressure to hold the animal's head in the head holder. I put the head holder on so loosely that the animal could have easily pulled it's head out. When the shochet performed the cut, the animal made no attempt to move it's head. The special long knife used in kosher slaughter is very important. When slaughter without prior sunning is performed with a shorter knife, cattle will violently struggle and definitely feel pain. This is due to the point of the knife digging into the incision. To prevent the animal from reacting to the cut, the blade must be long enough so that the end of the knife remains outside the incision. When I operated the restraining box I was amazed that the cattle did not react to the shehita cut.
Question 4: Is unconsciousness instantaneous after the shehita cut?
Several different scientific studies have shown that insensibility after the throat cut is not instantaneous. Most cattle will become unconscious and insensible within 5 to 10 seconds after a biologically effective cut. However, sensibility can last for over a minute in a small percentage of cattle. When I operated the restraining box, I completely released the headholder and all restraints on many animals so that I could observe their reactions after the cut. Most cattle just looked around before they collapsed. They appreared to not be aware that their throats had been cut. To maintain good animal welfare standards, the animal should be held in the restraining box until it collapses.
Question 5: How should the animal be held in position for shehita?
At Agriprocessors the cattle were held in an apparatus that rotated them onto their backs. It is my opinion based on observing many different restraining methods that the method used to hold the animal in position is a much greater animal welfare concern than shehita. I have seen both the very best and the very worst restraining methods. Some plants restrain the animal by suspending it by a chain attached to the hind leg. This will cause much struggling and bellowing. This cruel method should be banned. In other bad plants the live animal is chained up and dragged across the floor. The rotating box at Agriprocessors is probably more stressful than the best upright box, but it is much better than shackling and hoisting. Meat from animals handled in an abusive manner prior to shehita is technically still kosher but the spirit of religious law has been broken. Jewish principles of kindness to animals are violated when the animal is mistreated prior to shehita.

I recommend that restraining devices should be evaluated with objective scoring. Upright restraint boxes and rotating boxes should be designed and operated in such a manner that they can attain the following scores. One hundred cattle should be observed. The equipment at Agriprocess is capable of passing this welfare audit.

1. Ninety five percent of cattle should remain silent and not moo, bellow or vocalize when they are entering the box and while they are held in it prior to shehita.

2. An electric prod can be used on only 25% or less of the cattle to move them into the restraining box. The other 75% must walk in easily with just a tap on the rump.

3. Ninety nine percent of the cattle must be handled prior to shehita without falling down. Boxes with slanted trip floors that cause the cattle to fall would automatically fail the welfare audit. Rotating boxes must have adjustable side panels and a back rest to fully support the animal during rotation.

Question 6: Why was the trachea (windpipe) ripped out?
I have still not received a satisfactory answer to this question. There are 3 possibilities:

1. To prevent rumen contents from contaminating the heads.

2. To facilitate bleeding. Several people gave me this answer. When a second cut is performed to facilitate bleeding, trachea pulling is not the normal procedure.

3. To loosen lung adhesions to the body cavity so that more cattle would pass for Glatt kosher.

The plant has stopped this procedure and I have never seen this procedure in any other kosher plant. Some of the cattle were definitely conscious and pulling and tearing of the trachea would have caused pain. Agriprocessors also needs to work with their shochets so that they perform biologically effective cuts that will induce rapid loss of consciousness.

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 Sep 09, 2008 at 07:38 AM anonymous Says:

Simon kalman Says:
its just a new name Empire. that's it rosenblat Owned this operating already many year's yeah wait till he gets bigger than the monster like union hekshar tzdek yidel Philip shain in behalf of peta will bash them up
09-09-2008 - 6:42 AM
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Wha tare you talking about? Are we mssing 1/2 of the conversation and you are talking 'yeshivish' instead of English? Who is Phillip? Did you read the letter from Grandin posted above?

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 Sep 09, 2008 at 01:25 AM Anonymous Says:

PETA'S agenda is to end shchita period. They picked on Rubashkin on things that at the worst case scnerio are yotzeh min Haklal situations that go on in any operation of any size. their aim is to end all shchita.

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 Sep 09, 2008 at 08:12 AM rose Says:

It appears that Temple Grandin does not have a problem with Rubashkin but does have some suggestions about how to improve animal welfare. She felt that Rubashkin could improve and it appears that this is true, unless they have already done so.
Competition would be good for the kosher food business if it could take place without blackmail. If a new plant wants to open up and the existing companies threaten not to supply stores that stock the new brand, then they would have the lion's share of the market. My brother-in-law had 10,000 square feet of plant space in Ky that he wanted to use for processing kosher cold cuts and was told by the supervising agency that he contacted that big plants would probably find ways to put him out of business. Whether they would or wouldn't do this, new start-ups are afraid of them. Basically, how many glatt kosher brands do we consumers find on the market? It appears to be only a handful. There may be small scale shochtim that supply a small shop or community but on a national scale in the US, there are only a few name brands.

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 Sep 09, 2008 at 08:52 AM Anonymous Says:

maybe now we can have real glatt kosher, not the faked up so called glatt that they are pushing down our throats. at best it is kosher but not glatt kosher.I heard Rabbi Heinemann himself say that there is not enough real glatt kosher available

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 Sep 09, 2008 at 09:39 AM Anonim Says:

BS"D

Empire is a UNION shop. The plot thickens as the union brings down Agri and Alle in favor of Empire.

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 Sep 09, 2008 at 10:02 AM MIDWEST Says:

Thank god for for Empire company coming to the rescue.
We need a good reputable and healthy company back on the market.

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 Sep 09, 2008 at 10:34 AM to anonymous Says:

reagarding your posting the letter from Dr. Grandin:

1. I don't know when Dr. Grandin wrote this letter but the issues she addresses are from the original peta video from 2004 i.e.

1. rubashkin hasn't been removing the trachea since it promised to stop in 2004, it only performs a second cut (as you can see for yourself in the new peta video) which in dr. grandin's answer to question 6 does not appear to have a problem with as it is in full compliance of usda humane laws and halacha.

2. rubashkin no longer uses an electric prod

3. rubashkin has had 3 independent audits on it's handling of the animals and it passed all of them.

4. dr grandin clearly states she prefers that the animal be standing up during shechita. the thing is, shechita throughout our history has been with animal lying down or shechita munachas.


5. while you may say dr grandin has nothing against shechita, she clearly is trying to add to shechita. in her own words "It is my opinion that shochets should be evaluated on the ability to perform both ritually correct cuts and biologically effective cuts." shechita is rov simanim period.

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 Sep 09, 2008 at 10:33 AM Anonymous Says:

rose Says:
comments - arrow It appears that Temple Grandin does not have a problem with Rubashkin but does have some suggestions about how to improve animal welfare. She felt that Rubashkin could improve and it appears that this is true, unless they have already done so.

read it well she did have problem with rubashkin and said there is no other kosher plant that does what Rubashkin does. In addition they have not fixed the problem they still do the same thing. They change only when people watch. That is why when things seem to be diffident Peta can get evidence that things are still the same as before.

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 Sep 09, 2008 at 10:29 AM anonymous Says:

rose Says:
...........................
Basically, how many glatt kosher brands do we consumers find on the market? It appears to be only a handful. There may be small scale shochtim that supply a small shop or community but on a national scale in the US, there are only a few name brands.
09-09-2008 - 8:12 AM
Rubashkin
Alle
International
Abeles & Heymann
999

These are the plants that are under USDA that sell nationalls

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 Sep 09, 2008 at 10:26 AM anonymous Says:

Anonymous Says:
maybe now we can have real glatt kosher, not the faked up so called glatt that they are pushing down our throats. at best it is kosher but not glatt kosher.I heard Rabbi Heinemann himself say that there is not enough real glatt kosher available
09-09-2008 - 8:52 AM

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What would real glatt be? Bais Yoseph? Rubashkin already got caught with stickers in the truck that said bais yoseph.

This is a quote from Grandin, above -

Question 6: Why was the trachea (windpipe) ripped out?
(I skipped answers 1 and 2)
3. To loosen lung adhesions to the body cavity so that more cattle would pass for Glatt kosher.

Is that the real glatt?

Were we all duped for many years?

Better yt, what is the diference between Chassidic, Heimeshe, and Litvishe shechita?

Did the Chassidic towns in Europe have non -glatt or onlt glatt?

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 Sep 09, 2008 at 11:42 AM anonymous Says:

to anonymous Says:
reagarding your posting the letter from Dr. Grandin:

1. I don't know when Dr. Grandin wrote this letter but the issues she addresses are from the original peta video from 2004 i.e.

1. rubashkin hasn't been removing the trachea since it promised to stop in 2004, it only performs a second cut (as you can see for yourself in the new peta video) which in dr. grandin's answer to question 6 does not appear to have a problem with as it is in full compliance of usda humane laws and halacha.

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Actually, Rubashkin does it at the other plant (I think tha is the Gordon plant in Nebraska). USDA had an issue and wrote up reports about that are on line. USDA did not approve or disapprove, but we see that they promised in Iowa that they would stop, but did not promise in Gorden because no one knew about it, yet.

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 Sep 09, 2008 at 11:35 AM Anonymous Says:

to previous poster

quote from many news articles septemper 5-9 2008.
It clearly shows that Rubashkin did not change their practice and just tried to fool the general public and the kosher eating consumer too. PS why when the rabbis went there a few weeks ago there was no second cut? Answer please

“The undercover video clearly showed that when they think nobody is looking, they do bad things in this plant,” said Dr. Temple Grandin, a professor of animal science at Colorado State University who inspected the plant in 2006. At that time, she viewed slaughters that only required one cut and gave Agriprocessors her approval.

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 Sep 09, 2008 at 11:10 AM et Says:

5. while you may say dr grandin has nothing against shechita, she clearly is trying to add to shechita. in her own words "It is my opinion that shochets should be evaluated on the ability to perform both ritually correct cuts and biologically effective cuts." shechita is rov simanim period.

09-09-2008 - 10:34 AM
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if you think for one minute that all there is to a correct shechita is *rov simanim* than you need to go back to learning aleph bais. Because you have alot more problems i life then shechita my friend.

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 Sep 09, 2008 at 12:44 PM to et Says:

when i state that all there is to shechita is rov simonim, i mean that this whole "biological effective cut" dr grandin speaks of, has no place in halacha and she is trying to incorporate it into shechita.

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 Sep 09, 2008 at 12:42 PM to anonymous Says:

rubashkin never promised to stop the simple (without removing the trachea) second cut and never tried to hide the fact that it does it.

besides this whole business of rubashkin trying to hide things. i mean who are you kidding, there is costant rabbinic supervision and the usda is always present at the plant. the reason it wasn't done when the out of town rabbi's visited can quite simply be because the operator of the pen was new (with all the staffing problems their facing) and wasn't trained for that yet.

The fact that dr grandin after watching a 4 minute video that only shows the second cut which is halachakly permitted and allowed by the usda, makes a statement that "when they think nobody is looking, they do bad things in this pant" is funny. what exactly are the bad things she is talking about?

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 Sep 09, 2008 at 12:30 PM Anonymous Says:

5. while you may say dr grandin has nothing against shechita, she clearly is trying to add to shechita. in her own words "It is my opinion that shochets should be evaluated on the ability to perform both ritually correct cuts and biologically effective cuts." shechita is rov simanim period.

not sure what the problem is, if anything she is just putting a machmer, chumra, on shechita, so one it not to sin zsar baall ochaim. You should thank her. remember 90% of the stuff we do is not mentioned in the Torah or gemarath, just chumras placed Robonim. So why should this be diffrent?

Is it that she is a woman or a goy?

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 Sep 09, 2008 at 01:30 PM Anonymous Says:

"An animal slaughtered kosher requires “B’dikas Hore’oh” — inspection of the lungs. If this inspection turns up a “sircha’ — an adhesion — the entire animal is taref. The Ra’moh, whose decisions we usually accept in matters of Halacha, is lenient in this case. He permits the practice of “Mi’uch U’mishmush” — rubbing gently the ‘sircha’ between the ringers of the “bodek” and if this process removes the “sircha” the animal is kosher (Ramoh, Yore Deah, 39:13). Those who refuse to accept this lenient view of the Ramoh or question whether the ‘bodek’’ was gentle enough in the handling of the ‘‘sircha” insist that their meat be from an animal with “glatt’’ — (smooth, in Yiddish) lungs with no “sircha” at all and are willing to pay the price. So much for the basic halacha:

May I now ask several questions. based upon practical experience:

1) Beef cattle without a “sircha’ is very rare. At times, as little as 0- 5% are really ‘‘glatt. ‘Where does all the beef sold in New York as “Glatt-Kosher’ come from?

2) The Ramoh (ibid) specifically excludes calves and lambs from his lenient decision concerning ‘‘Mi’uch U’mishmush,’’ Consequently, a calf or a lamb which has a ‘sircha” is treif even according to the Ramoh. What, then, is ‘‘Glatt-Kosher” veal or lamb?

3) Poultry requires no inspection of the lungs. In fact! the lungs of all poultry is adherent to the ribs. What, then! is “Glatt­ Kosher” chicken or duck?"

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 Sep 09, 2008 at 01:27 PM Anonymous Says:


Load o' Lox

Sadly you are right on target!!!
You bring up a very true point...

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 Sep 09, 2008 at 02:07 PM Sarah Palin does not speak for me Says:

When will this meat be available in the stores???

Maybe in time for Yom Tov?

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 Sep 09, 2008 at 05:36 PM Anonymous Says:

Temple Grandin is a mentally disabled woman who is using her mentally disabled status to claim she can "understand animals". What a laugh, what a freak and what a con.

Loz zi gyen in Africa mit der vilde chayos oder Aleska mit de vayse berelach and then we can see how she "understands animals"!

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 Sep 09, 2008 at 06:01 PM Meatloaf Says:

So when Dr. Grandin pronounced Rubashkin slaughter humane she was proof of what a menchadik company Agri was, but when she saw how she was fooled, you denounce her as "a mentally disabled woman."
A real piece of work you are.

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 Sep 10, 2008 at 12:29 AM Tzaddik Ben Torah Says:

Are the animals posting comments here as well as some few sane people? We do not know most of the facts or details. Do we know enough about shechita that we are qualified? The rabbonim who are checking out the better places for shechita are the ones whom we must trust.

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