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Williamsburg, NY - Chasidim: Bike Lanes Not Kosher, It Brings Scantily Clad Cyclists To The Neighborhood

Published on: September 12, 2008 08:52 AM
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Williamsburg, NY - Leaders of South Williamsburg’s Hasidic community said yesterday that bike lanes that bring scantily clad cyclists - especially women - peddling through their neighborhood are definitely not kosher.

The red-faced religious sect is calling on city officials to eliminate the car-free lanes on Wythe and Bedford avenues, and to delay construction of a new one planned for Kent Avenue.

“I have to admit, it’s a major issue, women passing through here in that dress code,” Simon Weisser, a member of Community Board 1 in Williamsburg-Greenpoint, told The Post.

“It bothers me, and it bothers a lot of people.”

The existing, one-way lanes are popular with North Williamsburg hipsters - many who ride in shorts or skirts.

The temporary lane planned for Kent Avenue would be a precursor to a 14-mile greenway stretching from Newtown Creek in Greenpoint to Sunset Park.

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Hasids are forbidden from looking at members of the opposite sex who aren’t fully dressed, said local activist Isaac Abraham.

Weisser and other Hasids said during a Sept. 8 community-board meeting that the lanes on Bedford and Wythe avenues should be eliminated if the neighborhood has to accept being part of the greenway.

The issue of dress - or lack of it - wasn’t brought up at the meeting. Weisser and the other Hasids instead complained publicly about bike lanes allegedly causing parking problems and traffic congestion.

Abraham later said another major concern is the safety of children, noting that cyclists “aren’t obeying traffic laws. Green lights and red lights are the same.”

Hasids last month complained about a billboard promoting the teen drama “90210” that could be seen from the Brooklyn-Queens Expressway and that featured swimwear-clad characters.

A few years back, some residents complained about billboards for “Sex and the City.”

 


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 Sep 12, 2008 at 09:20 AM Kiknisht Says:

Unfortunately there are other people around in this world. Perhaps the people that don't want to see the cyclists, should take an alternate route. Sometimes the cyclists don't have alternatr routes.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 09:24 AM Anonymous Says:

Waaaahhhh.

This is New York City, not your private neighborhood.

If you don't like it, don't look.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 09:24 AM joeflix Says:

It was so stupid to bring up the Modesty issue, which the bikers (and other non-Jews) will take with cynicism and a feeling of "Oh so I'm not good enough for you, huh?". This will backfire strongly.

It also says that we were dishonest when we spoke about safety and traffic, etc. etc.

The safety issue was simple and politically correct: Willy has (HARD FACT) 10 times the ammount of children other neighborhooods have and the city must care for their safety.

Do our spokespeople have heads??

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 10:03 AM Anonymous Says:

Williamsburgh is not Mea Shearim or Kiryat Yoel.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 10:03 AM DumDum Says:

2 questions:

1) What is a "red-faced religious sect"?

2) "Hasids are forbidden from looking at members of the opposite sex who aren’t fully dressed" - non-Hasids are permitted?

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 09:57 AM WilliMom Says:

To the first 3 posters:
you probably dont live on Bedford or Wythe Ave, do you??? Besides for the modesty issue (which is a very big problem) the traffic is terrible. These 2 avenues were so congested without the bike lanes and its utterly absurd that Bloomberg had the bike lanes installed there. We MUST stop them from doing another on Kent Ave. Thank you Abraham and Thank you Weiser!! You have the full support from the Williamsburg community!

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 09:56 AM ujm Says:

Good. The more laws like this the better! It will in most definitely keep out those goyim.

Also, I would like to address the fact that when frum girls are on bikes in public, it draws a lot of unwanted attention, and causes many men to commit aveiros. It is highly inappropriate and not tznius for girls to be frolicking in such a way.

Girls should stick to their shopping. It's what they are good at, and it keeps them out of the street where they bring attention to themselves by choshuva men.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 09:56 AM School Bus Driver Says:

I drive a School Bus, and I can tell u this: "Cyclists are a big danger for School Children!"
They allmost never stop for flashing red lights!
And its unpossible to block them like u do to cars.
And they share the same laws as cars when it come ro stopping.
Do u know how many near misses I saw?!
And BTW, FYI, they are not alowed to ride the wrong way, they have to ride the same direction as traffic. And u tell me how many of them obey this law!!

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 10:11 AM David Says:

Would you rather be breathing in car fumes?

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 09:47 AM Anonymous Says:

JUST A FEW POINTS:

1) The bike lane is a thorn in the side of every ehrlicha Yid in Williamsburg. Pedestrians can close their eyes or look away not to see this "pritzus", but unfortunately we the drivers have an obligation to see the road; someone who closes his eyes while driving is a "rotzeiach", so we are forced to see the pritzus of the hipsters, which is the lowest of the low. “Atzas Bilom” in full swing.

2) Drive on Bedofrd Ave and see what irs really going on.
The street lost a traffic lane to allow for a safer bike lane. Traffic is drastically affected. The cyclists anyway go on other streets when they want to, they also go through lights. more fuel is wasted in the ensuing traffic. These sweet kids are really smart alecks, they often take revenge against double parkers or drivers by flinging their heavy chain against a car or around someone's car mirror.
If you have not seen the problem Please go look before you comment.

3) Not every Willi person is overweight or lazy. Riding bikes is more dangerous than walking or driving. Willi kids need their father too, please do not ask them to ride bikes unless you do the same.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 09:34 AM AuthenticSatmar Says:

Modesty is an issue. While we live in a big city, our neighborhoods where we live we should have control over. These lanes are not for people who live in the area but for people from others. We have all types of laws about moral issues. Why is someone else's moral ruler being applied to us? We are not calling for an end to bike lanes, but not in our neighborhood.
Next time some neighborhood protests a shul, you support them, but we can't oppose lanes in our neighborhood?
What Bloomberg has done is taken away all power in this city, and centralized it with himself, so he controls all, without regard to what those affected feel.
He has done that with congestion pricing, pedestrian promenades, bike lanes, ground zero, and zoning. This is part of an ongoing trend. He has taken from us what doesn't belong to him. He needs to be stopped now!

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 09:29 AM David Says:

This isn't meah shearim, what will happen if they bike ride through, will they be stoned?

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 09:29 AM Anonymous Says:

This is ridiculous - we're in golus - deal with it. This outcry is a chilul Hashem.

If you don't like it, go on the next Neturei Karta field trip to Iran and stick around.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 10:25 AM yid Says:

Rabbi Weisser keep on the good work

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 10:24 AM ujm Says:

dumdum, you sure live up to your name.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 10:40 AM Anonymous Says:

i think these should live in a bio sphere, far away from the rest of us. They'll be happy, we'll be happy, it'll be good for everyone.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 10:42 AM Anonymous Says:

Bunch of Fat Frummies in minivans just afraid of pedaling

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 10:56 AM toraheyes Says:

A community like New Square can be closed to outsiders, not downtown Williamsburg where this bike lane is running.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 10:56 AM Lock & Load Says:

Biking would be great for everyone...
Maybe all the Overwieght Men and Woman can lose some LB.....
I see in Boro Park there is a new trend... Biking....
Friends bike together, and even Husband and Wife biking together... This might be good for Shulam Beyis
Lock & Load

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 10:38 AM Yoshua Says:

While I fully sympathize with the frum Williamsburg community it must be pointed out that the primary issue has to be one of safety.

Before we start ask to have total control over how "other" people dress in places we live we should think about how we would react if our neigbors were allowed to dectate how we dress in their communities. "Sorry in order to walk in this area you must were short shorts and no head covers, your kippas and long coats offend our values!"

The streets of New York belong to all its people and its not our place to tell goyim how to dress in public. End of story.

If the bike lanes are unsafe we can fight them on those grounds nothing else will work. Have a good Shabbis every one.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 11:22 AM Lala Says:

UJM, I don't think your comments are worth being responded to so don't ask me why I'm responding but I'm just hoping you're being sarcastic.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 11:20 AM Anonymous Says:

FREEDOM FOR ALL!!!!! WHO EVER DONT LIKE THOSE HASHPA'AS FOR THE "KIDS" THEN GO MOVE TO THE NEW SHTETEL... GO TO THE MOUNTAINS IN SWAN LAKE... THERE IS NO BIKE LANES THERE, AND NO BILLBORDES.... YOU WILL BE CUT OUT OF THE WORLD... THEN YOU WILL SAY: "WE NEED"

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 11:19 AM logic Says:

to the idiot ujm:

I got one word for: Golus...

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 11:17 AM Heilager&ChushuverTzadik Says:

What if these cyclists don't want to see chasidim walking through the areas where they live. Or maybe they don't want chasidim to be visible to them from any angle of there view. Wouldn't that be a terrible thing to hear? My advice to anyone & I mean anyone that doesn't want to see something that is legal, is Just don't look" or park yourself where you are sheilded seeing what you don't want to see, because your logic can end up working against you.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 11:24 AM Nanni Says:

DumDum, I have the same question.
What's red faced supposed to mean??
And what's up with that statement of not seeing the opposite sex fully dressed.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 11:12 AM Anonymous Says:

Typical chutzpah. Guess what: it's not your country! That should be the worst thing you have to put up with in golus.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 11:28 AM Murray Says:

With all the emphasis on tznius why is there an explosion in sexual abuse cases. It almost seems like there is a correlation, almost like a priest who l'havdil can't have a wife, so goes after the altar boys.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 11:29 AM Anonymous Says:

oh my lord, no wonder they hate us. We are guests here, not the other way around, stop trying to bring your extremist views to others. How would we feel if the muslims were offended by jewish women showing their faces and public and demanded that we leave their community?

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 11:32 AM Rechel mechel Says:

no we don't live in mea shearim or kj we live in the usa nyc and PROUD 2b its citizens and we have a right to demand from gvt to respect us as equal rights (btw all you self hated jews say the same when frummies say it jerusalem)its time for Bloomberg 2leave he has no respect whatsoever

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 11:32 AM Anonymous Says:

oh come on thier are other people in the world!!!!!!

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 11:34 AM Anonymous Says:

Yoshua got it right. Once you start complaining about how people chose to dress, you are open to complaints by people who are distressed to see men in long black coats and hats in the summer heat. We have to face it that biking is here to stay and will be growing. We must take all reasonable steps to find and use alternate energy and reduce our dependence on ever more expensive foreign oil. There indeed are safety problems due to cyclists that don't follow the rules of the road. Put your advocacy efforts toward increased enforcement of traffic laws against those cyclists who don't obey. Also, remember that our grandparents and greatgrandparents who came to NY in the first half of the 20th century managed without minivans. They walked and took public transportation. It's a price for choosing to live in a huge city.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 11:37 AM Anonymous Says:

all criticising the pain of ehrliche yidden not willing to look at "naked women" (or "only" half naked..) passing thru their houses and shuls all day, has no feeling to yiddishkeit whatsoever, and your opinion is worthless, it's rotten minde, to say the least!

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 11:38 AM Willy women Says:

I'm from Williamsburg and absolutely dislike it when they make a whole uproar and go to the goyishe press talking about it.
At least if you're trying to make a statement, don't bring up the Tznius issue. It can put such a sour taste in the mouths of the outside world and paints us all as closed-minded, odd individuals.
You can't tell people how to dress. But you can surely tell yourself where to look.
And to ujm, there's a house for sale in No Mans Land. Because we're not getting off the streets anywhere in the near future and we'll continue frolicking our way in and out of the stores as we do our shopping which we're so good at (sarcasm).

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 11:41 AM JBC Says:

"School Bus Driver Says:
I drive a School Bus, and I can tell u this: "Cyclists are a big danger for School Children!"
They allmost never stop for flashing red lights!"---------------------------------------------------

Niether do most of the frum drivers.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 11:44 AM JBC Says:

WilliMom Says:
"To the first 3 posters:
you probably dont live on Bedford or Wythe Ave, do you??? Besides for the modesty issue (which is a very big problem) the traffic is terrible. These 2 avenues were so congested without the bike lanes and its utterly absurd that Bloomberg had the bike lanes installed there."
--------------------------------------------------

I suppose the double parking on both sides of the streets, and bad driving habits have nothing to do with any of the congestion issues - just the bicycles.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 11:48 AM Murray Says:

Technically, You certainly can enact laws telling people how to dress. Here in So. Florida they recently passed laws about people wearing their pants to low, so as to show their underwear. They can be fined for doing this.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 11:49 AM LAL Says:

We are living in the Best Country of the world. We have freedom of Religion, we can practice Yiddishkeit without any problem. Why are they looking to start Antisemitism. This is NYC the streets are public domain. This is not private property. This same area is probably the largest population in the country receving public assistance. BE QUIET & behave. Let Live!!!
the goverment is so good to us. We have Hatzolah working side by side with public officials. What kind of impression does this leave when we make a public outcry over Shtus.
It is Elul. Give a chesban Hanefesh

& SHUT UP.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 12:03 PM Anonymous Says:

it makes us just as bad as the gentiles- They always complain when too many hasids come around there hood- we tell them "this is america"- dont we? Double standard?

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 12:14 PM Shulim Says:

SIMON WEISER IS THE BIGGEST MCHALL SHAM SHMIAM BRABIM!!! ITS TIME TO FIGHT HIM!!!

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 12:28 PM asken Says:

wake up smell the coffee within a few years a chashidisha yid wont be able to live in NYC its a fact i guess that this is part of being in golus to be uprooted every 50 to 60 years sorry ..

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 12:20 PM Anon Says:

Very important issue. You guys may want to join forces with the Taliban and get a real movement going. By the way, if religious Jewish women/girls ride bicycles, are they expected to ride side-saddle?

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 12:18 PM FinVeeNemtMenSeichel Says:

first of all im MO. now on that note: stop dumping on williamsburgers for wanting to live their lives with the same values espoused by most americans outside of the big liberal over"educated" cities.

however, the reality is that we don't own williamsburg, flatbush, bp, ch or any other places we center in. we claim they are our communities. but no, my well-meaning but silly brothers and sisters, our communities are in treif nyc. why are we here? why cant we pick ourselves up and start again in other places? move our yeshivas, shuls, kosher establikshments elsewhere. we can't, you say? oh, we can. we just don't want to. and so we won't. this isn't golus after all. we own these places and if the rest of the world has a problem with that, tooo bad. just go on believing that, people.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 12:18 PM School Bus Driver Says:

To JBC: Cars I can block off by angle stopping, but bikes just push thru from all directions.
just today I had it.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 12:16 PM Anonymous Says:

I dont see why pepole are angree on weiser or some of the other pepole who are trying to do something for YIDDISHKEIT, they realy need what to do with their day, They are not worse then this friedman or this pepole who are kissing themself with iranian officials, or this guys who are running after women in willi shabes on the streets, or the pepole who doesn`t want me to read the SHTERN, they realy want to keep themselfs busy, let them do what they want, as long they have fun

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 12:42 PM Anonymous Says:

Modesty is an issue. While we live in a big city, our neighborhoods where we live we should have control over.

DO YOU PEOPLE LIVE IN A COCOON?? YOU HAVE CONTROL OVER NOTHING BUT YOURSELVES!! YOU ARE SO NARROW MINDED . IF YOU ARE SO WORRIED-- TAKE ANOTHER ROUTE AND YOU DO NOT CONTROL YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD!!

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 12:47 PM Anonymous Says:

What is the problem that all they think about is what the women are doing wrong and how they go dressed?

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 12:51 PM ChulantBloozer Says:

Right on!

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 12:57 PM LuzMichTzuree Says:

If these people are such tzadeekim then they should not know what they are looking at. It should not phase them at all. And thus there is no issue here. If however they know what they are looking at then that is a BIG shandah and they should do t'shuvah before it is too late.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 12:57 PM Anonymous Says:

I thought riding a bike was ossur for males.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 01:19 PM chaim Says:

i think we should just not look and not make a big deal about it

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 01:15 PM Anonymous Says:

I live in Williamsburg, and I'm flabbergasted on many of the above comments. This convoluted logic that it is a free country and Yiden who want to "deen the Bashefer" and plead with tears every morning "vesatileinu miyetzer hora"; they are making a chilul haShem? Ribbono shel oilom, how far have we farkrochen, that we have so many people thinking like goyim; and not like regular goyim, but as the "gruim shebeumos", the most depraved of them. Morei vaRabbosei; Yes, hipsters have the same rights as us - but, the lanes don't have to pass in the CENTER of our neighborhood; let it pass on the outskirts. Let's be "habocheir bera bemeito". It is no secret that someone can see today in Williamsburg in one day with closed eyes, more znus and pritzus, then he saw twenty years ago in a whole year with open eyes. Mothers shed rivers of tears by "licht tzinden" to have ehrlich kinder, and what do we have; only false righteous indignation telling Williamsburg that we don't care about you. In case some would think that here speaks a fanatic, let me tell you that I'm one of the most liberal people in Williamsburg, but this CATASTROPHE is unbearable; I also want to have gita kinder!!! Can’t you at least feel our pain?

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 01:33 PM Anonymous Says:

I'll tell you who I am. I am a poshiter Yid from Williamsburg who wants to deen the Bashefer and have gita kinder. I DO NOT want to take away any rights from the hipsters, but who gave them, hipsters from outside the neighborhood to have for them created bike lanes to cater to their needs. Is that an inalienable right which they have? Who are you to say that they have a right for a bike lane, and we the people of Williamsburg don't have a right to oppose it? Where is your limit? When driving nude will become legal, will you still give them the right to shove it down our throat?

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 01:25 PM Anonymous Says:

In case some would think that here speaks a fanatic, let me tell you that I'm one of the most liberal people in Williamsburg, THEN EXPLAIN TO YOUR EHRLICHA KIDS THAT WE ARE IN GOLUS AND THAT IS NOT OUR WAY. DON'T SHELTER THEM SO THAT WHEN THEY GO OUT THEY ARE IN SHOCK!!

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 01:25 PM Anonymous Says:

All these comparisons to Muslims and Christians are missin the point. Start thinking like a Yid and you will understand. Nobody wants to take away any rights from anybody, but does it have to pass through the center of town?

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 01:23 PM Anonymous Says:

I live in Williamsburg, and I'm flabbergasted on many of the above comments. This convoluted logic that it is a free country and Yiden who want to "deen the Bashefer" and plead with tears every morning "vesatileinu miyetzer hora"; they are making a chilul haShem? Ribbono shel oilom, how far have we farkrochen, that we have so many people thinking like goyim; and not like regular goyim, but as the "gruim shebeumos", the most depraved of them. Morei vaRabbosei; Yes, hipsters have the same rights as us - but, the lanes don't have to pass in the CENTER of our neighborhood; WHO ARE YOU THAT YOU THINK IT'S YOUR COMMUNITY- THAT'S FUNNY THE SPANISH CALL IT THEIR COMMUNITY.!! YES WE ARE IN GOLUS AND THAT'S IT. YOU DO WHAT'S RIGHT AND DON'T LOOK.!!

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 01:23 PM Anonymous Says:

The Gemorah says: "Hamehalech beshuk shel zoiness, ih ihke darke achrinah; rosha hee. Williamsburg today has become a shuk shel zoiness. Those saying don't look, let me ask you, are you so pure that you NEVER look? What about drivers? They shouldn't look either? Does ready to condemn us, do you have any solution for us, or only critic?

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 01:36 PM Anonymous Says:

what would happen in many off your neighbors are offended by seeing people wear hats that can be made only by slathering many animal and would yell I do not want to see this, if offend me and my children who i teach do not harm living things, and it offends them to the core.

I am sure all the one who say no cyclist would have no problem walking through a different block and taking off your strameail.

As a cyclist and car driver, I can tell you the way some frum drive in Boro Park before shobbos is ten times more dangerous than any bikes.

The safety issue in a smoke screen look at statistics (and plain common sense the more cyclist and less driver the safer to the pedestrian.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 01:09 PM Pinky Says:

to DumDum and Nani

redfaced chasidim (and for that matter redfaced litvikes too) means angry chasidim (or heated up, if u will)

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 12:59 PM HeisInWilly Says:

A cold shower is in order here.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 01:39 PM Anonymous Says:

Yes, I have sheltered my children and boruch haShem they are frum and ehrlich. Yes I tell them that we are in golus and we obey the law of the land; but the law of the land doesn't say, last time I checked, that the hipsters have a right to have their bike lane go through the center of town.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 01:39 PM Anonymous Says:

Anonymous Says:
comments - arrow All these comparisons to Muslims and Christians are missin the point. Start thinking like a Yid and you will understand.

there is the core of the problem. I think like yid, the other thinks like a muslim and the other think like an Christians. Think Like an American who is a yid.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 01:38 PM Dave Says:

I just want to make sure that I understand the rules.

Is it now the position of the posters in opposition that the current residents of a neighborhood or community should have veto rights over any changes to the community?

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 02:04 PM Anonymous Says:

Unbelievable what morons, bitter, and self hating yidden are around.. most comments are just full of it..

I live in Willi, and the bike lanes are a disaster for the neighborhood!

Once, while I was parking my car slowly and gently I - all of sudden - hear a big bang on my car, I stopped and turned around to see a "red faced" half naked bicyclist with a mad face banging with his bear fist at my car for my "sin" of blocking "his" bike lane for 30 seconds while parking.. the heck with those bike-congestion lanes!

Thanks to Rabbi Weiser and Mr Abraham for speaking up for the community!

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 02:03 PM Choizik Says:

Williamsburg votes for the Pro Toieva/Pro Choice candidates and they are concerned about a few bikers?! Very hypocritical!!!

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 02:00 PM zeirfrumeryid Says:

If I pulled my pants down in the middle of 5th Avenue in Manhattan I would be locked up until I pulled them up. So why don't they arrest these cyclists until they dress with more tsneeyis? Maybe we can provide clothing from the stores along the bike path. So what if they are not stylish? The hipsters are so stylish? I think this is a simple solution.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 01:58 PM Anonymous Says:

Who got us into this pickle are the leaders of the community who were busy fighting the Satmarer machlokeh, and busy fighting the eiriv which many Rabbonim wanted. J'accuse (I accuse) them of bringing this plague on us, called hipsters, and now bike lanes. Williamsburg is still fast asleep; many ask tamevatte - what's wrong? When they will wake up it will already be too late. I’m planning of leaving as soon as I can, because I can’t bear it anymore.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 01:56 PM Anonymous Says:

Do aronees and zaloinees agree here? Mazel Tov.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 01:54 PM Babishka Says:

There need to be special lanes for bike riders. When they ride on the sidewalk they are a danger to people who are walking. When they ride in the street they are an obstacle to drivers. The same applies to the meshuggene roller bladers.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 01:52 PM Anonymous Says:

Now to the other problems besides "pritzus" (vechi pritzus milse zitrese hu?), to get from one place to another now takes three times longer then it used to before bike lanes. Finding parking takes twice as long as before bike lanes. Accidents has risen sharply BECAUSE of bike lanes. Do the hipsters from outside of Jewish Williamsburg, have more rights then the people who live there?

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 01:49 PM Dave Says:

But the law of the land doesn't say, last time I checked, that the hipsters have a right to have their bike lane go through the center of town.

It doesn't? It is a public street.

Why shouldn't it have a bike lane?

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 01:47 PM Anonymous Says:

I don't understand, do frum Yiden obey less traffic rules, the let's say Chinese? Why all this accusations against frum Jews? What does this have to do with not wanting a bike lane which is a tragedy for the community? All those comparisons to not liking Jewish hats and likewise comparisons are just missing the point. Is hatred for Williamsburg so great? I am not a Satmarer, and half of Williamsburg aren't Satmerer, but even if we were, why stick up for "pritzus". This boggles my mind.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 01:45 PM Posheter Yid Says:

NOT ONLY I DRIVE A BIKE , BUT IM GOING TO BUY NOW THOSE DOUBLE DECKER BIKES TO BE MEKIEM LIFNIM MESHURAS HADIN

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 01:44 PM NishtFakrochen Says:

I think that everyone should own the street by his house. This way everyone will be equal.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 01:43 PM Anonymous Says:

rather than the men looking at the women is what i meant

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 01:43 PM Anonymous Says:

looking at that picture on this article i think u need to worry about or women looking at the women rather than the men

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 01:41 PM Anonymous Says:

These stupid bike lanes are just a pain in the neck, not only does it bring more accidents, more congestion (to the overpacked roads), it also brings damage to yiddishkeit, face the fact, don't baloney around.. if the hundreds of reyois asirois every day for hundreds of yidden does'nt appear to bother you, then you're all rotten through and through.

no body did any violent moves, they're just trying their luck in a public hearing at community board, YES! THE YIDDEN ARE ALSO US CITIZENS, AND THEY HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS AS ANY OTHER AMERICAN!! as long as they do it the right way, like in this case.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 02:14 PM Dave Says:

So why don't they arrest these cyclists until they dress with more tsneeyis?
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Because they aren't breaking the law?

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 02:13 PM Anonymous Says:

Now for all those sticking up for the "rights" of these hipsters and GIVE them the right to ruin our neighborhood, and our neshomahs. Let me tell you how they obey our rights and the traffic rules. They don't only ride in their bike lanes, they also constantly fly in and out of the ONE LANE spared for us, causing us to swerve to the right and putting our/your children in danger. They ride against traffic, and don't wait for red lights. I have a humongous amount of mileage clocked and consider myself an excellent driver who ALWAYS obeys all rules, still I have had a few close encounters with hitting people with my car, both hipsters and YOUR children. If "pritzus" doesn't appeal to your in-sensitized neshomah, maybe this will.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 01:41 PM Machoyfdeoygen Says:

What do you mean by "the CENTER of our neighborhood" do you plow the snow yourself, and light the street at night, and fix the street and clean the street? You just use ther street and so do other people. How far have you farkrochen?

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 02:16 PM Anonymous Says:

I meant de-sensitized.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 02:23 PM FinVeeNemtMenSeichel Says:

i dont understand some of you chevra here. why is it that i feel the same way on the issues yet i don't have it in me to spew hatred to my dear and beloved williamsburg brothers and sisters?

i agree: so many people are wrong in their taking it for granted that this is "our community" just like the hispanics and bohemian artsy folk call it. and i agree with all of you who say we're in golus (a very awesome and fun golus).

some of you say reallly interesting things, like "stop looking" (gimme a break) or that people who fancy themselves ehrlich "...should not know what they are looking at. It should not phase them at all. And thus there is no issue here. If however they know what they are looking at then that is a BIG shandah ..." (luz inz alle tzuree, my friend, you have no hasuga about why we shouldn't look at immodesty).

i hereby decleare my love for all of you in williamsburg. i love visiting, especially the bakeries :) and yes i feel your pain. however its just silly to think we have "control." our sad history has shown us we never yet once had "control." we only have HKB"H. please ignore the haters and don't hate them back - some ppl are just farbisseners. a gitten shabbos to all.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 02:21 PM Anonymous Says:

zeirfrumeryid Says:
comments - arrow If I pulled my pants down in the middle of 5th Avenue in Manhattan I would be locked

no you would not if you were wearing underwear of bike shorts, does the world have to bend to us, no I do not think so.

To those who want to move go to an arab country you will feel at home and even be persecuted because you wife is not dress modesty enought.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 02:40 PM Anonymous Says:

first all the people rented all their vacant apartments to the yuppies for top dollar and they didnt care to rent it to their poor brothers now there is the out cry oi vei tznius ,,,, dont people in london and in europe or canada live with there non jewish neighbors and the are growing up fine yiden??

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 02:34 PM Anonymous Says:

I don't want to control anybody, but for heavens sake doesn't Williamsburg have a right to oppose something which is dangerous begashmius and berochnius? Yes, we are entitled to ask this small bakosheh, that the lanes carrying outsiders of the community not pass through the center of the community. Because we are in golus, we only have a right to foodstamps, but not to this. Gott in himmel, why can't you understand us?

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 02:27 PM Anonymous Says:

I am not from Williamsburgh, and I may not even fully agree with them at all times, however all of you deriding them - pick up the phone to 311 and invite the bike lane to your neighborhood. The willies will be forever greatful and then we'll see your posts!

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 02:24 PM Dave Says:

Anonymous 2:13pm:

Are you talking about bicyclists or cabbies?

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 02:59 PM JJ Says:

Jews have been protected and welcomed in this country for so long that we have become first comfortable, then spoiled and now selfish, to the extent that we value our beliefs over the comfort of others. Hasidim share the neighborhood with many "hipsters" and cannot ask to impose such regulations. If it's a safety issue, then that's a different story altogether. But if you don't like "women passing through here in that dress code" you should be the one to move out, not opressively ban all who enter that don't live up to your standard.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 02:57 PM Anonymous Says:

You are right. The leadership in Williamsburg was busy fighting the eiriv instead of making sure that the hipsters don't take over the neighborhood. Now it's almost too late. I predict that eventually the entire Williamsburg will be sold to the hipsters, because at some point we will have no choice but to move out.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 02:45 PM Belzer Yid Says:

Yes we can ask racmeh shumayim from hashem to send us the geula, lets make a yoim tefulah like in der alter heim. Not a chillul Hasem

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 03:03 PM Anonymous Says:

The hipster in this picture is dressed modestly compared to what we have to endure there on a regular basis. This ehrlicher bochur "git zich an eitzah", he doesn't look; but we drivers have no choice, we are obligated to look.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 03:09 PM Anonymous Says:

Let's get it straight. Hasidim do not share the neighborhood with many "hipsters". They live mostly around Williamsburg but not IN Williamsburg. There are only a few hipster houses in the community, 79 Lorimer Street is one of them, and by the nature of their promiscuous lives, this house gets dozens of visitors a day, and hundreds on a holiday. These hipsters come by train, foot, and rollerblades from elsewhere, they don't have a right to a bike lane to now get thousands of one-night visitors. No we are not selfish, can't you understand this?

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 03:04 PM YUngerman Says:

aren't the bike lanes a benefit for hasidic riders as well?

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 03:25 PM Anonymous Says:

i dunno what all these complaints are all about they generate big income for the landlords

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 03:37 PM Murray Says:

Not from your area- please define the term "hipster", is it the equivalent of "hippies" or "beatnik"?

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 03:35 PM Anonymous Says:

Honestly, i couldnt care less abotu the pritzus issue. We are in galus, and we can NOT control what other people where, and where they go.

However, the traffic aspect I understand. Try to imagine a bike lane on YOUR busiest street... What would a bike lane do to 13th Avenue? Think about YOUR day and the street with the craziest traffic... How would you feel if they took away a lane for bikes.

How more ironic is it, if its in a community where most of the people DONT even own a bike?

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 03:28 PM Anonymous Says:

Is Williamsburg more overweight then Boro Park? They generate big income for the landlords, and a big headache for the rest of us.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 03:23 PM Dave Says:

Anonymous 3:09: But if it is parking lots for davening on the way to the mountains, then it's ok for transit to be encouraged?

The public streets are public streets. And there is a strong public interest in getting people out of cars and onto bicycles.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 03:51 PM Dave Says:

Anonymous 3:35:

By that argument, in neighborhoods where most people take the train, we shouldn't have streets. The roads are not limited to the people who live in the neighborhood, they are used by people who are going from place to place around the city.

You don't get to draw a line around a neighborhood and say "we don't want these things on public streets". If you want that, you need to own the land and the streets.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 03:44 PM solo130 Says:

To most comments who are for the bike lanes,

1) They dont live in williamsburgh, so they dont know that it causes pritzus, traffic, and safety issues.

They live elsewhere but they are for bike lanes because they ate NAUGHTY LITTE BOYS who cant control themselves, so for them its perfect.

Lastly why did the city put bike lanes in a community that is already over crowded no parking anywhere full of congestion, and without the approval of the people who LIVE there, and when the majority are NOT happy about.

I would like to see those naughty boys, telling others to LIVE WITH IT, if for example a huge shul would open up next to were they live, if they would ALSO say well its a free country I will except it, close your eyes etc., BALONEY.

The best way for the orthodox community to bring to the mayors attention to all this community has suffered the last few years, example NO HOUSING, TO MUCH PARKING TICKETS, BIKE LANES, is to take together the entire community men women and children, bus them into city hall, and protest PEACEFULLY - you will see it will shake up all the politicians that williamsburgh is NOT for sale because Michael Bloomberg is comfortable were he lives.

Its about time !

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 03:18 PM Anonymous Says:

maybe you hasidim hop on a bike too you guys are major overweight

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 03:59 PM Anonymous Says:

To the one who "honestly" couldnt care less about the pritzus issue, let me ask you - what kind of Yid are you?

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 04:05 PM Anonymous Says:

Anon 3:59, I abhor those who picked up their hands on a fellow Yid the Lubavitchers some thirty something years ago. I also abhor those who harassed the Belzer Rebbe. Now will you have pity on me and people on me who also want to have ehrlica kinder? I cannot understand; if you have a personal JUSTIFIED grievance against Satmar and Williamsburg, does that justify such an un-Yiddish stand?

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 04:03 PM Anonymous@3:35 Says:

Its not t hat i don't care about there being pritzus in williamsburg, but there is certainly nothing you can do about it, and its not in our place to dictate what other people do. I couldnt care less = I think its ridiculous to bring it up..

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 04:11 PM Anon Says:

JJ- Well Said!!

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 04:06 PM Lock & Load Says:

Most Jewish Woman are Overweight...
Let them be able to Go Bike Riding Lose some Pounds maybe there Husbands will Notice them....
Instead of steering on the Skinny Shickses...
Lock & Load

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 04:01 PM Anonymous@3:35 Says:

Dave,
I certainly agree that there is nothing they can do about it, but they can bring up the issue. I do believe that bringing up the "modesty" issue will only make it harder for them. That first sentence of yours is ludicrous. Can't one have an intelligent debate in here?

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 04:00 PM Anonymous Says:

Dave, still haven't gotten through to you? Glad to have co-Williamsburger solo130 speak up too.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 04:15 PM Anonymous Says:

It looks like you haven't read my posts. How many times do we have to tell you, that having a bike lane is not a right that someone from OUTSIDE the community has? You got it moshe-kapoier; the hipsters are the ones dictating what in our community should be. I actually did some research as to who these hipsters are, and was surprised to find that many who live in Williamsburg are quite powerful people; some are editors of magazines, famous artists, and children of the privileged of America. Williamsburg's leaders have no clue who they are up against. I, a poshiter Yid, cannot confront its leaders; that's why I'm crying out here. Can I get some sympathy of my brethren and say before I go to sleep "mi ke-amcho Yisroel"?

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 04:31 PM Zak Says:

Child molesters= no problem
Hipster cyclists= problem
Got it.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 04:28 PM Anonymous Says:

I CAN'T BELIVE SOME OF THESE COMMENTS HERE. READ WHAT THE SFORIM SAY ABOUT SHMIRAS AINAYIM. JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE DRESS THIS WAY IN 2008 DOESN'T MEAN ITS RIGHT. 50 YEARS AGO NO NON JEW WOULD DRESS THIS WAY IN PUBLIC. ITS BAD ENOUGH WE HAVE TO SEE THIS PRITZUS WHEN WE WALK IN THE STREET DO WE HAVE TO LET THEM BRING MORE FILTH TO US THROUGH BIKE LANES. NO. NO. NO.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 04:20 PM Anonymous Says:

Lock and Load; a pity on you.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 04:19 PM Use your head Says:

As usual the chassidim think they can have their cake and eat it too. If you want freedom to do as you wish, if you want to mooch off the government and put liberal politicians into office to suit your own needs, don't complain when it comes back to haunt you in the form of bike lanes for hipsters.

You reap what you sow.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 04:34 PM Justa Girl Says:

Girls should stick to their shopping. It's what they are good at..
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What a sad statement ujm...I cetainly hope you don't have daugthers..because with an attitude like that from my father, would make me feel worthless...

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 05:13 PM Anonymous Says:

where I live in Brooklyn we do not like cares breath in to much pollution.

let make a deal close some streets to cars where people do not want them. I really do not care if you want to go from point a to b and you need to go throught my street I do not want cars. who are you to tell me you can drive on my block.

think, bike lane are for people who commute from point a to b and need to go through your area.

As far as the dressing, we do not like how you dress when you or your wife wears fur, so do not go down my block please.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 04:55 PM destro613 Says:

if you don't like being near people who don't follow like you follow MOVE!
goto KJ or some other closed community otherwise SHUTUP

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 04:52 PM Anonymous Says:

Zak how right you are. not only molesters how about grand larceny= no problem, it's public, NYC if you want to live in a private town move to Monroe, oops can't get along with them either!!!!!

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 04:52 PM Lock & Load Says:

Anon 4:20
Pitty yourself

I am Good

Lock & Load

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 04:49 PM asken Says:

who would thougt 50 years ago that good bocurim will be thrown out of yeshivas because they are not mitziyonim ... and there are no public outrage

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 04:44 PM Anonymous Says:

Morei VeRabosei, I'm appealing to our leaders in Williamsburg. It has already been approved a plan to turn Bedford Avenue between Metropolitan Avenue and McCarren Park into a pedestrian mall. What we see now on Bedford Avenue, is just the beginning to what you will see when this project is completed. Thousands of new hipsters will be riding through Williamsburg for a tryst in McCarren Park. It isn't yet too late. The first priority in Williamsburg should be the elimination of the bike lane on Bedford Avenue; this one is the most important one and should not be neglected.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 04:43 PM Sol Says:

As we are all taxpayer we all own the streets it public property. Some people look at us in th 100 degree heat in the middle of summer and think we are nuts.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 04:39 PM JJ Says:

If the complaint is having a bike lane in a neighborhood where it is rarely used by its residents, and the lane itself brings in outsiders whom offend your morality, then that does makes sense. But do you think these people won't bike through if the lane wasn't there? Those not from the neighborhood are not coming there to bike for pleasure, they are clearly passing through to get from point A to point B. They will be there with all of their pritzus whether there is a bike lane or not, and you can't ban them from biking through just because you don't like their method of dress. And if they're from the neighborhood and they bike within it, then their right for a bike lane should be under debate due to safety issues etc. Pritzus should not even come into this issue.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 04:38 PM policy Says:

Its the city policy that is being challenged, & not any one individual's rights.
The public has a right to lobby for anything they want for whatever reason they want, especially when it affects their quality-of-life.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 05:18 PM Dave Says:

How many times do we have to tell you, that having a bike lane is not a right that someone from OUTSIDE the community has?
----

By that argument, there shouldn't be any accommodations for frum yidden going to the Catskills. No davening areas at rest stops, gornisht.

The roads are open to the public, and include people who use them to from point A to point C by way of point B, even if they don't actually live in point B themselves.

The only way to control the streets is if they are private streets. Brooklyn is not made up of private streets.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 04:35 PM Anonymous Says:

To 4:28 how right you are. I heard once heard a similar comment from harav shlomo Rotenberg ztz"l He added you see its from the yatzer hora. We know that a women has to dress modestly yet you see by the non jews when they go to a formal party the men are dressed properly and the women who are the ones who should be covered are not.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 06:03 PM wiil boy Says:

Could some one please explain??


What’s the different from the bike lane that living in the projects what much worse thinks r going on there and now when your people moved the new Shafer tower right next to the water together with the artistes

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 05:51 PM Rachel Says:

What are you actually thinking to yourselves when you see the hipsters male or female what is going through your thoughts? Maybe the hipsters are thinking why are these people wearing all those close when it is really hot out. What is entering your thoughts that you are so afraid of

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 05:43 PM Frum yid Says:

Good job!!! Tznius is no. 1 priority in the streets, and is worthy of all of these exciting ideas.......

But trying to get rid of pedophiles is past nisht. Chas veshalom!!!!


IDIOTS!!!!!

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 06:16 PM BOB Says:

That's the problem from Satmer today they come out with all diffrent non sence type of thinks like tight clodes womesn shoulden't go or silver and gold shoe issue's ..............now they have this problem......its about time to relize not every think should be so public maybe that's wy they have so many drop-outs !

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 06:38 PM Anonymous Says:

THE BIKE LANE ISSUES IS ONLY BECAUSE OF SAFTEY

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 Sep 13, 2008 at 06:40 PM RB Says:

We have a bike line near us (not in the US) and it is a brilliant idea. A bike lane takes up a miniscule amount of the road and in the US your one way streets are bigger than our two way streets including the bike lanes.
Yes i agree bikers do ride through red, but over here the police will pull them over as they would do if a car did the same.
Anyway, what are hipsters?
If you are complaining of congestion would you prefer a congestion charge as they are planning for my area? Would that make you all happier? Quit your moaning and your tznius blubber as it doesn't make you look good, it makes you look like you are self obsessed and sex obsessed and it doesn't paint a pretty picture.
Also can all chassidm refrain from wearing their fur hats and thick jackets in the summer when it's very hot as it isn't very pleasant when you enter shops or pass by sending out a waft of BO that is high up on the toxic metre. Thank you and have a nice day.

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 Sep 13, 2008 at 05:19 AM Anonymous Says:

I think that the next action should be to remove the sidewalks, to keep the women that choose to wear an improper dress code from walking in our neighborhood.

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 Sep 12, 2008 at 10:24 PM Anonymous Says:

I am offended by men who wear fur hats during the summer.Can I protest against the satmar men in my neighborhood who dont adhere to MY dress code?

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 Sep 13, 2008 at 08:50 PM Anonymous Says:

to rb
is half the street called miniscule

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 Sep 13, 2008 at 08:29 PM Anonymous Says:

If you don't like what's going on in PUBLIC STREETS, move to Kiryas Joel.

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 Sep 13, 2008 at 10:59 PM Anonymous Says:

RB Says: AND I RESPOND
We have a bike line near us (not in the US) and it is a brilliant idea. A bike lane takes up a miniscule amount of the road and in the US your one way streets are bigger than our two way streets including the bike lanes.
Yes i agree bikers do ride through red, but over here the police will pull them over as they would do if a car did the same.
Anyway, what are hipsters
1,Hipsters are the new hippies. They are actually mostly smart aleck type of misguided kids that demosnstrate a low cost, back to basics lifestyle. it is lots of fun for them as they mostly live on trust funds and many of them have jewish roots.
Bicycle lanes are now designed by taking off one lane of traffic to allow not only the bicycle lane but a 1.2 meter buffer to protect the cyclists. It is very rare that they get ticketed for not following the rules of the road in New York.

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 Sep 13, 2008 at 10:53 PM Anonymous Says:

amen, zak and rb.

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 Sep 13, 2008 at 11:57 PM Anonymous Says:

Ever thought about working on your yiras shumaim instead of trying to control other people????????? you cant control other people the only one u can control is yourself!!!!!!!!!!!

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 Sep 14, 2008 at 01:27 AM ChulentBloozer Says:

The chasidim should start using the bike lanes and create all kinds of traffic. Also the chasidisha bikers are quite hefty and in no time the white paint of the bike lane markers will rub off. You know how slow the city is when it comes tiome to repaint the lines, especially if the think the chasidim are the ones using the lanes. So come on and put your streimel on top of your helmit and hit the road. A good aitzah? I think so.

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 Sep 14, 2008 at 01:10 PM formely frum Says:

they are putting bike lanes all over town NYC. I KNOW THEY ARE MAKING BIKE LANES ON VERY CONGESTED UPPER EAST SIDE AND WEST SIDE WHERE THERE ARE MANY SCHOOL BUSES TOO,

simply THE IDEA IS TO MAKE COMMUTING BY BIKE MORE EASY, SO MORE PEOPLE WILL BIKE TO WORK. less CARS LESS POLLUTION HEALTHIER AIR FOR EVERYBODY.

the STREETS ARE FOR COMMUTING FOR EVERYDAY GOING FROM POINT A TO B.

NOW IF THEY WOULD BE CREATING A BIKE PARK YOUR CONCERNS WOULD HAVE BEEN HEARD, IT IS YOU NEIGHBORHOOD BUT THE STREETS BELONG TO ALL TO TRAVEL, COMMUTE, AND GET PLACES.

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 Sep 14, 2008 at 01:21 PM formely frum Says:

maybe someone who is very creative can invent glasses that will put every woman you see in a burka, end of tznis problem. while he/she is at it they can invent hearing aids so when you walk down the street and hear banned music it changes it to approved kosher music is heard by the hearing aid user.

Joking aside, why is it that no rabbonim making a stink and or ban on child molesting, helping child molesters, and ban threatening the victim.
Also speak against people like LP and others who do fraud and are gonovein.

I thing when a hemieshe yid does fraud, and the robinim say nothing and still hold the goneif in high esteem, it corrupts and is a very bad example, and does more harm them 100's and cyclist passing you neiborhood. Why, the cyclist you can say they are not like us we dress modestly, but you cannot say that about hemisei criminals

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 Sep 15, 2008 at 05:08 AM Biker4ever, san jose , CA Says:

School Bus Driver , u mean Bikers should b vanished from the face of the earth? ok. build a dedicated path for them as in Europe contries; Germany for instance.

And did I understand that a bike hurts a kid once upen the time???
Ok i got it. u r the sleeping prince n u just wake up by a kiss from a biker? right?!!

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 Sep 15, 2008 at 01:25 PM Anonymous Says:

How do you work on your "yiras shomayim" while seeing "pritzus" unwillingly? You can't have it both ways, either you work on you "yiras shomayim" or you have pritzus; both don't work together.

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 Sep 15, 2008 at 11:34 PM well duh, says Says:

Given the population if NYC is continuing to grow, the city needs to be investing in long-term, public transport solutions. Subways are packed, and everyone is familiar with the non-stop street traffic, not to mention the non-stop pollution. Why not implement above ground railways? You know, something along the lines of multi-lane trolleys?

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 Nov 13, 2008 at 07:30 PM Henry Steinmann Says:

Reply to #3  
joeflix Says:

It was so stupid to bring up the Modesty issue, which the bikers (and other non-Jews) will take with cynicism and a feeling of "Oh so I'm not good enough for you, huh?". This will backfire strongly.

It also says that we were dishonest when we spoke about safety and traffic, etc. etc.

The safety issue was simple and politically correct: Willy has (HARD FACT) 10 times the ammount of children other neighborhooods have and the city must care for their safety.

Do our spokespeople have heads??

So bikes are more dangerous than cars now? Oi give me a break.

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 Jun 09, 2009 at 05:15 PM marc Says:

Reply to #8  
School Bus Driver Says:

I drive a School Bus, and I can tell u this: "Cyclists are a big danger for School Children!"
They allmost never stop for flashing red lights!
And its unpossible to block them like u do to cars.
And they share the same laws as cars when it come ro stopping.
Do u know how many near misses I saw?!
And BTW, FYI, they are not alowed to ride the wrong way, they have to ride the same direction as traffic. And u tell me how many of them obey this law!!

what about you school bus drivers and your disdain for the law. i saw one turn right from the left lane today without signalling, another driving down the middle of two lanes while talking on the cell phone, and you all honk your horns outside of pick up spots ALL DAY LONG.

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 Dec 18, 2009 at 04:02 PM Anonymous Says:

There was a time when certain sects of people were driven out of Germany and Eastern Europe, simply because of their religious background and the imaginary effect it would have on the so-called "ruling" class. We should remember this when we say certain people have no right to simply cross through a neighborhood if they are dressed a certain way. Let's all remember that what we wear on our sleeves should not effect how we are treated or what rights we are bestowed (pun intended).

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