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Orange County, NY - KJ Annexation Dispute Rages On Through The Media

Published on: June 18, 2015 11:30 AM
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This is a full page ad in the Times Herald Record today from the Alliance in Kiryas Joel.This is a full page ad in the Times Herald Record today from the Alliance in Kiryas Joel.

Orange County, NY - The war of words continues in Kiryas Joel as those on both sides of the annexation issue continue their debate in the public forum.

Members of the coalition of groups opposed to the dominate faction in the Satmar Hasidic village Kiryas Joel alliance took out an ad in today’s Times Herald Record supporting the opposition movement.

The full page ad calls allegations of anti-Semitism, which were heard throughout the public hearing held last week, “baseless” and “reprehensible” and emphasizes the Torah obligation for all Jews to live peacefully amongst their neighbors.

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“Our neighbors have a right to voice their opinion regarding the annexation without the fear of being stigmatized as anti-Semitic,” reads the ad.  “The proposed annexation will inevitably have an effect on their lives just as it will on those of us who reside in the Village of Kiryas Joel.”

The ad also expresses appreciation to Senator Bill Larkin, Assemblyman James Skoufis and Assemblyman Karl Brabenec, all of whom were instrumental in passing legislation at the state level to provide additional oversight to the annexation process, and to County Executive Steven Neuhaus who has been a vocal opponent of the planned expansion.

Calling for everyone involved to be open minded and to realize that the proposed annexation will have an effect on both the village’s residents and neighbors, the ad features a quote by President Ronald Reagan advising that peace is defined, not by the absence of conflict, but by the ability to resolve disputes peacefully and concludes with a prayer for the well being of government officials, those who protect our county and the words “G-d bless America.”

The discussion about Kiryas Joel also spilled over into a written dialogue between two assemblymen, Dov Hikind and Karl Brabenec.  As previously reported on VIN News, Assemblyman Brabenec took his Brooklyn counterpart to task for his remarks categorizing the anti-opposition movement as anti-Semitic, in a letter that charged Assemblyman Hikind with being deliberately divisive and accusatory.

Hikind responded to Brabenec with a letter of his own that was also released to the media, saying that Brabenec’s assertion that he knew “the hearts of minds of all of the members” of his constituency was physically impossible and that perhaps Brabenec hadn’t yet arrived at the meeting when villagers loudly suggested that the Chasidic community should go “Back to Brooklyn.”

“They may as well have shouted ‘Back to Poland,’” wrote Hikind.  “Either way, the applause couldn’t have been louder.”

Hikind also noted that while he himself was shouted down and booed by the opposition movement, those in favor of the annexation showed respect and restraint for all speakers throughout the five hour long June 10th meeting.

Hikind responded to Brabenec with a letter Hikind responded to Brabenec with a letter

“It was a lesson in manners and tolerance for those whose hearts and minds you say you know so well who would not allow others, like myself, to speak without jeers and heckling. That’s not hatred? Perhaps you prefer extreme dislike.  Either way, it’s just semantics.”


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 Jun 18, 2015 at 12:55 PM Anonymous Says:

so the ad is taken by the Zalman sect?

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 Jun 18, 2015 at 12:57 PM Moshe Says:

I Reached out to United Monroe about this "back to Brooklyn" remarks. This is the responds from a few officials at UM:

"an ignorant individual in the back of the room shouted something about going back to Brooklyn. We fully condemn this kind of remark and it should not be a reflection of the good people there that night with legitimate concerns about annexation and it definitely does not reflect United Monroe or our message. Our message is that of promoting good government, transparency, accountability and civility"

"One ignorant man in the back of the room did shout something like that. We think that comment is inexcusable and we said so publicly on our podcast on Sunday night"

"That was someone in the audience who was NOT a United Monroe member. Emily and I [John] spoke out against that, and similar comments during our podcast the following Sunday"

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 Jun 18, 2015 at 01:57 PM Aview Says:

Dov Hikind you are the man

Take note all of you who always have negative comments about Chasidim and particular satmar

"Hikind also noted that while he himself was shouted down and booed by the opposition movement, those in favor of the annexation showed respect and restraint for all speakers throughout the five hour long June 10th meeting"

“It was a lesson in manners"

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 Jun 18, 2015 at 02:31 PM lavrenty Says:

Reply to #3  
Aview Says:

Dov Hikind you are the man

Take note all of you who always have negative comments about Chasidim and particular satmar

"Hikind also noted that while he himself was shouted down and booed by the opposition movement, those in favor of the annexation showed respect and restraint for all speakers throughout the five hour long June 10th meeting"

“It was a lesson in manners"

Dov Hikind should not be getting involved in a matter OUTSIDE his district in addition he is only looking for media coverage. Nachman Caller wouldve been better.

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 Jun 18, 2015 at 04:20 PM Aview Says:

Reply to #2  
Moshe Says:

I Reached out to United Monroe about this "back to Brooklyn" remarks. This is the responds from a few officials at UM:

"an ignorant individual in the back of the room shouted something about going back to Brooklyn. We fully condemn this kind of remark and it should not be a reflection of the good people there that night with legitimate concerns about annexation and it definitely does not reflect United Monroe or our message. Our message is that of promoting good government, transparency, accountability and civility"

"One ignorant man in the back of the room did shout something like that. We think that comment is inexcusable and we said so publicly on our podcast on Sunday night"

"That was someone in the audience who was NOT a United Monroe member. Emily and I [John] spoke out against that, and similar comments during our podcast the following Sunday"

I asked a few people who were at the public hearing and they said that yes it was one person calling out, but the applause was by the majority of the opposed to the annexation.

IF ANYONE HAS A RECORDING OF THE HEARING PLEASE POST IT BECAUSE IT WILL SHOCK EVERY DECENT HUMAN-BEING

To #4 i would like to say i have known Dove Hikind for over 40 years and he has a warm jewsh heart who is always ready to help a fellow jew (he lived in the same building as my mother lives in boro park) even on an individual basis when there is absolutely no publicity involved

In fact Kj-Satmar views on Israel is a direct opposite of what he believes in very strongly and what is actively involved in, but that does not stop him from coming to lend them his support in there time of need.

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 Jun 18, 2015 at 04:40 PM Behiema Says:

If Greenfield is involved with osama bin ladin then hikind has my approval to go speak in kj

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 Jun 18, 2015 at 05:05 PM Chazzan Says:

Reply to #3  
Aview Says:

Dov Hikind you are the man

Take note all of you who always have negative comments about Chasidim and particular satmar

"Hikind also noted that while he himself was shouted down and booed by the opposition movement, those in favor of the annexation showed respect and restraint for all speakers throughout the five hour long June 10th meeting"

“It was a lesson in manners"

Of course- because open letters from politicians are never biased or exaggerated in any way....

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 Jun 18, 2015 at 05:13 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #5  
Aview Says:

I asked a few people who were at the public hearing and they said that yes it was one person calling out, but the applause was by the majority of the opposed to the annexation.

IF ANYONE HAS A RECORDING OF THE HEARING PLEASE POST IT BECAUSE IT WILL SHOCK EVERY DECENT HUMAN-BEING

To #4 i would like to say i have known Dove Hikind for over 40 years and he has a warm jewsh heart who is always ready to help a fellow jew (he lived in the same building as my mother lives in boro park) even on an individual basis when there is absolutely no publicity involved

In fact Kj-Satmar views on Israel is a direct opposite of what he believes in very strongly and what is actively involved in, but that does not stop him from coming to lend them his support in there time of need.

I am sory to tell you that your quote "In fact Kj-Satmar views on Israel is a direct opposite of what he believes in very strongly and what is actively involved in" is Not True.
The leadership of this Sect is Pro Israel as they bring to K.J. those members of many organizations who are belonging to the "Agudah" and that is Just Against the principal guidelines that the Founder of this Great Village, the Rabbi Yoel Teitelbaum z"l wanted.
The Village leaders are NOT against State of Israel. They just say so. but they are rooted with Zionist roots.

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 Jun 18, 2015 at 05:18 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #5  
Aview Says:

I asked a few people who were at the public hearing and they said that yes it was one person calling out, but the applause was by the majority of the opposed to the annexation.

IF ANYONE HAS A RECORDING OF THE HEARING PLEASE POST IT BECAUSE IT WILL SHOCK EVERY DECENT HUMAN-BEING

To #4 i would like to say i have known Dove Hikind for over 40 years and he has a warm jewsh heart who is always ready to help a fellow jew (he lived in the same building as my mother lives in boro park) even on an individual basis when there is absolutely no publicity involved

In fact Kj-Satmar views on Israel is a direct opposite of what he believes in very strongly and what is actively involved in, but that does not stop him from coming to lend them his support in there time of need.

the fact that the KJ Leadership are fighting in such agreesive way to steam up the non Jewish Neighbors, that itself is a pure proof against the Guidlines of Satmar rebee Reb Yoel z"l.
Learn his Books of "Vayoel Moshe" and "Al Hageulah" you will see the Guidlines for someone who is "Satmar"

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 Jun 18, 2015 at 06:07 PM Aview Says:

Reply to #9  
Anonymous Says:

the fact that the KJ Leadership are fighting in such agreesive way to steam up the non Jewish Neighbors, that itself is a pure proof against the Guidlines of Satmar rebee Reb Yoel z"l.
Learn his Books of "Vayoel Moshe" and "Al Hageulah" you will see the Guidlines for someone who is "Satmar"

Obviously you are to young to remember how angry the neighbors were when they realized that they brand new development was for chasdic Jews and how nasty the fight to incorporate the vilage of kj was
but it was done as a last resort with the blessing of the Satmar Rebe Reb Zt"l since there was no choice as is now. because the elected oficals of the town of Monroe were not granting any new building permits in 1979.

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 Jun 18, 2015 at 06:15 PM Aview Says:

Reply to #8  
Anonymous Says:

I am sory to tell you that your quote "In fact Kj-Satmar views on Israel is a direct opposite of what he believes in very strongly and what is actively involved in" is Not True.
The leadership of this Sect is Pro Israel as they bring to K.J. those members of many organizations who are belonging to the "Agudah" and that is Just Against the principal guidelines that the Founder of this Great Village, the Rabbi Yoel Teitelbaum z"l wanted.
The Village leaders are NOT against State of Israel. They just say so. but they are rooted with Zionist roots.

The Rebbe Zt"l met many times with leaders of the Augadh in fact there is a very famous quote that he once said to a narrow minded person like you who asked him why he spends so much time with Mike Tress as he has no beard and he belongs to the Augdah he answered " When mike will come to gan eiden they will ask him Reb yid where is the beard when you will come they will ask beard were is the yid"

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 Jun 18, 2015 at 10:32 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
Aview Says:

Obviously you are to young to remember how angry the neighbors were when they realized that they brand new development was for chasdic Jews and how nasty the fight to incorporate the vilage of kj was
but it was done as a last resort with the blessing of the Satmar Rebe Reb Zt"l since there was no choice as is now. because the elected oficals of the town of Monroe were not granting any new building permits in 1979.

You are wrong. I am Not young for that history moment. I was in KJ a few days and sleepless nights that Grand rabbi Yoel Teitelbaum z"l was unable to sleep from the heavy discussions he had with Mr. L. Lefkowits every evening in his Bakertown home of the exact words that may be used by the board who at that time were only demanding the Monroe neighbors to let us remain home and stay. As we were forced out from our residence with court orders. We did NOT Fight for annexation land from the neighbors.

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 Jun 18, 2015 at 10:48 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #11  
Aview Says:

The Rebbe Zt"l met many times with leaders of the Augadh in fact there is a very famous quote that he once said to a narrow minded person like you who asked him why he spends so much time with Mike Tress as he has no beard and he belongs to the Augdah he answered " When mike will come to gan eiden they will ask him Reb yid where is the beard when you will come they will ask beard were is the yid"

You got me very wrong.
The Rebee z"l met and spoke to people of the Agudah. But never let the Agudah person to talk in his name or give a Steaming Speach in his community against the Goyim. He was fighting with tooth and nails against "Hisgarus Be'imos". BTW This honorable Dov Hikend will never never come to the smallest finger of Reb Elimelech Tress Z"L. Who ran from shul to shul to raise funds on Shabossim to send to the orthodox Refugee board committee in Switzerland to resecue Jews from the Germans in a time the "Agudah" office in NYC was against his brave act.

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 Jun 18, 2015 at 10:51 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

so the ad is taken by the Zalman sect?

By Bnei Yoel (who opposed Reb Zalman and Reb Aharon's father Reb Moshe ztl))

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 Jun 19, 2015 at 12:43 AM behiema Says:

Reply to #4  
lavrenty Says:

Dov Hikind should not be getting involved in a matter OUTSIDE his district in addition he is only looking for media coverage. Nachman Caller wouldve been better.

Probably because rabbi caller would'ved been busy with the developing his 2000 apartments under or over the tracks in borough park

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 Jun 19, 2015 at 11:05 AM Aview Says:

Reply to #12  
Anonymous Says:

You are wrong. I am Not young for that history moment. I was in KJ a few days and sleepless nights that Grand rabbi Yoel Teitelbaum z"l was unable to sleep from the heavy discussions he had with Mr. L. Lefkowits every evening in his Bakertown home of the exact words that may be used by the board who at that time were only demanding the Monroe neighbors to let us remain home and stay. As we were forced out from our residence with court orders. We did NOT Fight for annexation land from the neighbors.

#12 and #13
You are spinning and twisting History to fit your agenda, lets set the record straight the only difference between then and now is unfortunately the Holy Rebbe is not alive to unite us, and the way news is spread.

After the first section was built in 1973 and the first pioneers moved out the neighbors were so hostile that gunfire and stone throwing to scare was a regular occurrence but seeing that they did not scare them away and section 2 was started they tried using politicians the court system to stop the building and evict the existing, as a last resort it was decided to create a village which incorporate the 75% land owned by the Satmar kehilah and the rest of the land was owned by individual homeowners gentiles non-orthodox and m.o they fought tooth and nail against the creation against a village like now eventual they all sold for a good profit

Over 90% of the land that is being proposed for annexation belongs to the kj or to orthodox developers who bought it with the hope it will be annexed in to kj

private property owners will be able to sell for a huge profit and buy more for less, since there is a huge selection for sale in orange country

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