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Monticello, NY - Chasidim On Line: Sullivan County’s Section 8 Controversy Not Dying Down

Published on: June 18, 2015 09:30 PM
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Throngs of people descended upon the Monticello Housing Authority on Evergreen Road Monday morning for a chance to apply for Section 8 housing slots in Sullivan County.(courtesy)Throngs of people descended upon the Monticello Housing Authority on Evergreen Road Monday morning for a chance to apply for Section 8 housing slots in Sullivan County.(courtesy)

MOnticello, NY - The controversy surrounding Sullivan County’s Section 8 waiting list has spilled over into its fourth day, resulting in a special meeting held today with the Authority’s Board of Commissioners to hear complaints from local residents. Approximately 20 people attended the meeting, according to a report by the Times Herald-Record (http://bit.ly/1JYaMzB).

As previously posted here on VIN News (http://bit.ly/1N3rWKv), some 650 people, many of them Chassidim from Kings County, camped out beginning 9:30 p.m. Sunday night to increase their chances of getting on the Section 8 list first thing Monday morning. The noisy crowd was apparently rude and misbehaved, according to local residents who live on Evergreen Road where the Housing Authority is located.

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“If that was a slew of black people, police would have got them out of there,” said resident Alexis Hill. “Any time we have a barbecue and it hits 10 p.m., the cops are escorting people out of here,” added Elaine William, former county NAACP president and current secretary. “The crowd should have been made to get out of here.”

Village Manager David Sager concurred with William’s sentiments, saying the situation would have been managed “slightly differently” if the group was not composed of Chassidim.

Anne Johansen, the Monticello Housing Authority Executive Director, has continued to defend her agency, saying how the police dealt with the matter was “out of her control.” Monticello police have not responded to a request for comment.


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 Jun 18, 2015 at 09:45 PM Anonymous Says:

yes 650 people camped out no one was shot and no one was stabbed. these racists would have us think that by the BBQs everything is peaceful.

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 Jun 18, 2015 at 10:42 PM Anonymous Says:

They blocked school busses and people who WORK couldn't get to work!!!

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 Jun 18, 2015 at 10:53 PM hashomer Says:

Why take subsidies from a govt and society you despise?

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 Jun 18, 2015 at 10:57 PM OyGevald Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

yes 650 people camped out no one was shot and no one was stabbed. these racists would have us think that by the BBQs everything is peaceful.

Well said. I couldn't have said it better myself! How true. Just a bunch of typical NIMBY's.

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 Jun 18, 2015 at 11:26 PM Anonymous Says:

They should have rounded up these loosers and slugs dressed in chassideshe lvush, put them on a bus and sent them back to BP and Willy. What a chilul hashem that so many yidden would line up to grab subsidies from another community. Why aren't they waiting on line at the employment office to look for jobs so they wouldn't need welfare.

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 Jun 19, 2015 at 12:12 AM Brooklynhocker Says:

Elaine Williams has said that she has always identified with the black hats and black coats even though she is not really a chusid inside. Ms.Williams - newsflash - the NAACP hasn't been having a great week either.

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 Jun 19, 2015 at 12:50 AM Anonymous Says:

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Anonymous Says:

They blocked school busses and people who WORK couldn't get to work!!!

Really, like purposely blocked or blocked as in your outright prejudiced, mind block......................

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 Jun 19, 2015 at 12:58 AM hope they were accepted Says:

Reply to #5  
Anonymous Says:

They should have rounded up these loosers and slugs dressed in chassideshe lvush, put them on a bus and sent them back to BP and Willy. What a chilul hashem that so many yidden would line up to grab subsidies from another community. Why aren't they waiting on line at the employment office to look for jobs so they wouldn't need welfare.

Another one of the jew haters here...says who they don't have jobs and work hard. You think every one is a businessman or could be in business? It is difficult to come by anything these days, the rents are sky high, living expenses are outrageous...and all you are busy doing is bashing your fellow jews, or for the sake of the ANONYMOUS writer... showing your true colors...In any case, we have enough self hating jews around to make sure they stick their nose into anything that benefits their fellow brothers...
To shame with you ....talking without knowing anyone's individual situation and making a blanket statement.
karma...remember her?

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 Jun 19, 2015 at 01:37 AM Fathousewife Says:

It upsets me to see such senseless blind hatred towards one group of people. I would like to point out the following things which are important to note.
1. Kollel is not part of the chasidish lifestyle. Men are encouaged to work. Ok many men work blue collar jobs but its an honest days work for an honest days pay in all likelihood not all that different from the nature of the work many sullivan county residents perform.Many people who work still have financial trouble. Poor does not equal either lazy or irresponsible, it just equals poor
2. There is a ferocious housing problem in williamsburg and BP terms of both space and cost. Kudos to ppl who would be more comfortable in the city trying to cut costs and move elsewhere.
3. Thank you to the askanim who made the tzibbur aware of this matter allowing people to try and help themselves
4. Lining up overnight for something one considers important is nothing new as ppl commonly bring sleeping bags or tents to wait for concert tickets or apples latest gizmo
5. I suspect that sullivan countyites are horrified that families may come, spend money in their stores revitallize dying neighborhoods and pay income and sales tax.

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 Jun 19, 2015 at 01:48 AM Anonymous Says:

Orthodox communities all over, from Lakewood to Kiryas Joel, have practically zero violent crime. We are a peaceful, generally well-behaved community. That's why. Chasidim live in communities, totally un-policed. That's why. There have been several occasions over the years where a verdict wasn't to the liking of the frum community (i.e. Rubashkin). Did chasidim take to the streets to riot, burn cars, attack police and loot private property? I don't think so.

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 Jun 19, 2015 at 06:41 AM Anonymous Says:

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Anonymous Says:

Orthodox communities all over, from Lakewood to Kiryas Joel, have practically zero violent crime. We are a peaceful, generally well-behaved community. That's why. Chasidim live in communities, totally un-policed. That's why. There have been several occasions over the years where a verdict wasn't to the liking of the frum community (i.e. Rubashkin). Did chasidim take to the streets to riot, burn cars, attack police and loot private property? I don't think so.

so there's no tznius goons, eh? No one is threatened or beat up? No mob ever marched on a police station and set fire to a police car? You live in la la land.

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 Jun 19, 2015 at 08:29 AM c Says:

I don't know about the noise etc complaints, I wasn't there. What I do know is that it is so sad that our communities have created a way of life that has taken one of the most successful nations and turned its people into a bunch of pathetic nebachs who rely on the charity of others lechatchila. Nebach.

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 Jun 19, 2015 at 10:10 AM Anonymous Says:

To all of the above! It still is a chillul hashem if they blocked driveways and traffic. It also looks very suspicious that so many Jews showed up as opposed to other minority groups who also need the subsidy. It does not look nice!

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 Jun 19, 2015 at 10:13 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #9  
Fathousewife Says:

It upsets me to see such senseless blind hatred towards one group of people. I would like to point out the following things which are important to note.
1. Kollel is not part of the chasidish lifestyle. Men are encouaged to work. Ok many men work blue collar jobs but its an honest days work for an honest days pay in all likelihood not all that different from the nature of the work many sullivan county residents perform.Many people who work still have financial trouble. Poor does not equal either lazy or irresponsible, it just equals poor
2. There is a ferocious housing problem in williamsburg and BP terms of both space and cost. Kudos to ppl who would be more comfortable in the city trying to cut costs and move elsewhere.
3. Thank you to the askanim who made the tzibbur aware of this matter allowing people to try and help themselves
4. Lining up overnight for something one considers important is nothing new as ppl commonly bring sleeping bags or tents to wait for concert tickets or apples latest gizmo
5. I suspect that sullivan countyites are horrified that families may come, spend money in their stores revitallize dying neighborhoods and pay income and sales tax.

Noone says these guys are not fairly entitled. But there defintley is a certain mindset. A chasidisha guy walked into our local medicad office and asks the lady for info on medicad. She asks him well whats your annual income? He replies you tell me what it has to be and I'll make sure to work it out!

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 Jun 19, 2015 at 10:17 AM lavrenty Says:

stop Marxism and make people WORK that is what Has-em wanted when he cursed Adam, down with Marxism and the welfare state.

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 Jun 19, 2015 at 10:10 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #9  
Fathousewife Says:

It upsets me to see such senseless blind hatred towards one group of people. I would like to point out the following things which are important to note.
1. Kollel is not part of the chasidish lifestyle. Men are encouaged to work. Ok many men work blue collar jobs but its an honest days work for an honest days pay in all likelihood not all that different from the nature of the work many sullivan county residents perform.Many people who work still have financial trouble. Poor does not equal either lazy or irresponsible, it just equals poor
2. There is a ferocious housing problem in williamsburg and BP terms of both space and cost. Kudos to ppl who would be more comfortable in the city trying to cut costs and move elsewhere.
3. Thank you to the askanim who made the tzibbur aware of this matter allowing people to try and help themselves
4. Lining up overnight for something one considers important is nothing new as ppl commonly bring sleeping bags or tents to wait for concert tickets or apples latest gizmo
5. I suspect that sullivan countyites are horrified that families may come, spend money in their stores revitallize dying neighborhoods and pay income and sales tax.

I take issue with statement #1. Offically kollel is not part of chasdish lifestyle. But in recent years it has totally crept in. Any decent chasidisha yungerman learns. Perhaps they are less frowned upon once they choose to work. But almost all start out learning after they get married. Very few go to work right after the chasana.

Secondly, yes many work and can't make ends meat. But that's partly becuase the schools refuse to provide a decent secular education. The key to jobs is education. And before you all say well, hey I am a stock trader real estate broker,, electrician etc.. and I am not on section 8 so you don't need an education. Its true one can make money not thru educations too. But at the end of the day for the average run of the mill guy who is maybe not so tichtig an education pays. The majorty of Accountants while they may struggle, earn a decent honest living without needing programs.

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 Jun 19, 2015 at 10:38 AM Anonymous Says:

While I agree/sympathize that supporting a large family in BP or Williamsburg makes it difficult for the working man there are many many other issues:
1) Education is not provided in all of these Chassidishe school relegating their "graduates" into lower paying jobs which provides an inadequate income. Yes, Yes I know Chaim Yankel and Moishe Shmeil went into business and became a millionaire or managed to go to College and become an accountant. For the vast majority this is not a reality. Just go into any Flatbush non Chassidic shul (I would imagine the same is true in Lawrence/Far Rockaway) and the number of Chassidic men looking for alms every morning is staggering.
2) Individuality is frowned upon in those communities because the Rebbes are fearful the if the masses receive an education they will leave. SO they don't come out against this type of lifestyle and instead give out potatoes and onions for pesach, provide low or free tuition, free or low priced bungalows, camps etc.
3) The true essence of Judiasm such as yashrus and middos are shoved aside replaced by vilification of the "outside world", "internet"...etc
Maybe the Litvishe Rabbonim in the 1700's were correct....

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 Jun 19, 2015 at 11:38 AM shvigger Says:

Reply to #3  
hashomer Says:

Why take subsidies from a govt and society you despise?

What are you saying?

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 Jun 19, 2015 at 04:35 PM BP and Willy Says:

Reply to #5  
Anonymous Says:

They should have rounded up these loosers and slugs dressed in chassideshe lvush, put them on a bus and sent them back to BP and Willy. What a chilul hashem that so many yidden would line up to grab subsidies from another community. Why aren't they waiting on line at the employment office to look for jobs so they wouldn't need welfare.

Oh please not here. We already have too many of them..

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 Jun 19, 2015 at 06:02 PM c Says:

Reply to #18  
Anonymous Says:

While I agree/sympathize that supporting a large family in BP or Williamsburg makes it difficult for the working man there are many many other issues:
1) Education is not provided in all of these Chassidishe school relegating their "graduates" into lower paying jobs which provides an inadequate income. Yes, Yes I know Chaim Yankel and Moishe Shmeil went into business and became a millionaire or managed to go to College and become an accountant. For the vast majority this is not a reality. Just go into any Flatbush non Chassidic shul (I would imagine the same is true in Lawrence/Far Rockaway) and the number of Chassidic men looking for alms every morning is staggering.
2) Individuality is frowned upon in those communities because the Rebbes are fearful the if the masses receive an education they will leave. SO they don't come out against this type of lifestyle and instead give out potatoes and onions for pesach, provide low or free tuition, free or low priced bungalows, camps etc.
3) The true essence of Judiasm such as yashrus and middos are shoved aside replaced by vilification of the "outside world", "internet"...etc
Maybe the Litvishe Rabbonim in the 1700's were correct....

Many of the litvish are no different.,

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 Jun 19, 2015 at 07:29 PM Fathousewife Says:

I wish to expound further:
We can not be so narrow in our worldview as to only accept one approach as an appropriate one. To be an accountant may be a good choice for some but running a grocery or a cleaning company or contracting is no less appropriate. To be so mindlessly condemning is really tragic. This blistering hatred of chasidim makes me understand what mashgiach is waiting for.

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 Jun 21, 2015 at 11:50 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #22  
Fathousewife Says:

I wish to expound further:
We can not be so narrow in our worldview as to only accept one approach as an appropriate one. To be an accountant may be a good choice for some but running a grocery or a cleaning company or contracting is no less appropriate. To be so mindlessly condemning is really tragic. This blistering hatred of chasidim makes me understand what mashgiach is waiting for.

How many of those have the low paying jobs you mentioned? I would venture to say much much lower than you think. Some do, some are unemployed, and a lot are trying to "make it big" by investing in real estate and some high faluting dream they conjure up to pass the time. When young couples right after their tonoyim go downtown to get legally married and then hurridly apply for government assistance this makes them dependent on social programs without giving them a real incentive to work. Not unlike other groups hamavin yavin. Our social make-ups are no different. The difference is that we have to Torah which guides our ethical and moral decisions.

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