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PETA officials say a move to human breast milk would lessen the suffering of dairy cows and their babies on factory farms and benefit human health.
"The fact that human adults consume huge quantities of dairy products made from milk that was meant for a baby cow just doesn't make sense," says PETA Executive Vice President Tracy Reiman. "Everyone knows that 'the breast is best,' so Ben & Jerry's could do consumers and cows a big favor by making the switch to breast milk."
In a statement Ben and Jerry's said, "We applaud PETA's novel approach to bringing attention to an issue, but we believe a mother's milk is best used for her child."
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Sep 24, 2008 at 12:41 PM Anonymous Says:
PETA happens to be right on most issues especially this one.
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Sep 24, 2008 at 12:42 PM miamiyid Says:
why should any one listen to a wacko group like Peta. whats next artificial meat plants and banning the kill of an animal in the usa
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Sep 24, 2008 at 12:42 PM cindy Says:
Holy Cow!!!
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Sep 24, 2008 at 12:42 PM nebuch Says:
This is the most absurd thing I have ever heard!!! PETA people should start finding better things to do with their time!!!!
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Sep 24, 2008 at 12:42 PM anonymous Says:
*I DON'T FEEL THIS IS APPROPIATE TO PUT UP IN A YIDISHA BLOC!!!!!!!*
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Sep 24, 2008 at 12:47 PM Palin/McCain Says:
I can't believe this a real event - I always knew PETA people were crazy - this just proves it!
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Sep 24, 2008 at 12:45 PM Anonymous Says:
Is PETA serious?? first of all that is just disgusting second of all I highly doubt Ben & jerrys can get enough female Humans to produce the amount of milk needed for mass production for ice cream.
They are seriously out of their looney bins.
This sure is some good humor.
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Sep 24, 2008 at 12:44 PM Anonymous Says:
Maybe they should be drinking donkey's milk to match their own persona. Chamorim!
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Sep 24, 2008 at 12:50 PM joseph Says:
anon 12:41
you are a sick person
when you are finished worrying about all humans you can move on to animals
you and peta are a bunch of misguided idiots
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Sep 24, 2008 at 12:50 PM joseph Says:
anon 12:41
you are a sick person
when you are finished worrying about all humans you can move on to animals
you and peta are a bunch of misguided idiots
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Sep 24, 2008 at 12:51 PM Anonymous Says:
So glad you posted this, it gave me the best laugh of the day
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Sep 24, 2008 at 12:50 PM Anonymous Says:
What do takeh the baby cows drink? Are they dying from hunger or there is enough for them and humans.
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Sep 24, 2008 at 12:57 PM a Says:
I’m just wondering, where dose PETA draw the line? What’s there stand in killing bugs or killing LIVE germs like bacteria. Maybe ban all those mice traps and bug killing sprays .maybe no more using any form of soap that can hurt some LIVE germ. Also one more suggestion, we should prosecute any mosquito that drinks HUMAN blood!!
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Sep 24, 2008 at 12:56 PM Anonymous Says:
"Anei ksil ke'aclooso" says Dovid hamelech, answer the fool according to his folly. Ben & Jerry correctly answered that a mother’s milk is best used for her child. They are obviously more concerned for cows then humans, like all the "tzar baalei chaim" organizations who were the first to support genocide against the Jews. Nowadays too all these liberal wacky organizations SUPPORT the Arabs in killing Jews. Not one word against it has been heard from them, but they are the first when it comes to this milk nonsense.
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Sep 24, 2008 at 12:59 PM annon Says:
SICK is far from the appropiate word for these insane (so called) human beings.
They would be best served by being totally ignored....
I must admit though that i laughed outloud when i read this. The problem is that those sickos dont mean it seriously either, they're just a bunch of attention starving sick liberals.
Enough said.
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Sep 24, 2008 at 01:29 PM berl the equal opportunity offender Says:
Why davka Ben & Jerry's? Why not Breyer's, Sealtest, Carvel, Nestle etc. ?
Because these PETA morons are anti-semites that's why.
PETA certainly can't provide the mother's milk because their women either don't lactate(because they don't have babies) or for the same reason stingy people don't give tzedoko, Veil a treifine bheima lozt zich nisht melken a treife animal does not let itself get milked
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Sep 24, 2008 at 01:29 PM Yamamai Says:
*I DON'T FEEL THIS IS APPROPIATE TO PUT UP IN A YIDISHA BLOC!!!!!!!*
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It happens to be a bloG, So it does indeed belong here.
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Sep 24, 2008 at 01:28 PM Anonymous Says:
Disgusting. I hate PETA
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Sep 24, 2008 at 01:36 PM Anonymous Says:
the more times a day a cow is milked the healthier and less stress it is.
if a PETA member is driving down a narrow road with a rabbit approaching in front and a group of humans on the left ...they would rather plow into the humans then kill a rabbit.
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Sep 24, 2008 at 01:35 PM yomtee Says:
stupid non sense
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Sep 24, 2008 at 01:34 PM berl the equal opportunity offender Says:
Who is going to give the hechsher on the mother's milk? Hechsher Tzedek?
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Sep 24, 2008 at 01:33 PM PRL Says:
Re: "Ben & Jerry correctly answered that a mother’s milk is best used for her child."
Yes, and a cow's milk is meant for her calf. It is ironic that we are repulsed by thinking of drinking human milk but we have been conditioned to not be repulsed when drinking another species' milk. Think about it. Drinking cow's milk is very disturbing.
By the way, the only way they keep cows continually producing milk is to keep impregnating them and then removing the babies(the male calves are killed for veal). Cows don't just naturally keep producing milk. They are mammals like humans and only produce milk for their young. They are not milk machines.
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Sep 24, 2008 at 01:38 PM Shloimy Says:
Why would anyone care what peta thinks? They are not normal, they trivialize the Holocaust and other examples of human suffering.
They should be ignored.
Maybe they will start protesting that tefillin may no longer be made with cow-leather, but it should be of plastic instead! Who cares what these meshugayim say about anything?
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Sep 24, 2008 at 01:37 PM Anonymous Says:
Isn't it a tzaar for the cows if they're not milked
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Sep 24, 2008 at 01:46 PM Anonymous Says:
Pets Killed By PETA 2007
Year 2007
Received 1,997
Adopted 17
Killed 1,815
Transferred 35
% Killed 90.9
% Adopted 0.84
Virginia Dept of Agriculture 5/24/2008
From July 1998 through December 2007, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) killed over 19,200 dogs, cats, and other "companion animals." That's more than five defenseless creatures every day. PETA has a walk-in freezer to store the dead bodies, and contracts with a Virginia Beach company to cremate them.
On its 2002 federal income-tax return, PETA claimed a $9,370 write-off for a giant walk-in freezer, the kind most people use as a meat locker or for ice-cream storage. But animal-rights activists don't eat meat or dairy foods. And during a 2007 criminal trial, a PETA manager (testifying under oath) confirmed the obvious -- that the group uses the appliance to store the bodies of its victims.
In 2000, when the Associated Press first noted PETA's Kervorkian-esque tendencies, PETA president Ingrid Newkirk complained that actually taking care of animals costs more than killing them.
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Sep 24, 2008 at 01:46 PM Use your head Says:
Anonymous 12:45 wrote:
Is PETA serious?? first of all that is just disgusting second of all I highly doubt Ben & jerrys can get enough female Humans to produce the amount of milk needed for mass production for ice cream.
They are seriously out of their looney bins.
This sure is some good humor.
GOOD HUMOR IS A DIFFERENT BRAND, THIS IS ABOUT BEN & JERRY'S.
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Sep 24, 2008 at 01:31 PM Anonymous Says:
While I happen to be very pro breastfeeding and I have myself nursed my children for a long time, I find this totally bizarre. PETA is worried about the suffering of dairy cows. That is what dairy cows are for. Mother's are not cows. I can't even fathom mother's turning themselves into human cows - to pump massive amounts of milk for commercial use. Oh, but I forgot - PETA doesn't give a hoot about humans. I say let them eat tofutti.
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Sep 24, 2008 at 01:23 PM strange !!!! Says:
anyone who understands anything about milking cows will be aware that it is extremely crual and painful for the animal if is not milked !!!
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Sep 24, 2008 at 01:22 PM Anonymous Says:
Unless they are really clueless, they did this purely to get publicity -- and it seems to have worked.
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Sep 24, 2008 at 01:21 PM jefferson Says:
BREAKING NEWS!!!
PETA has just submitted a request to McDonalds, in it they request of the managment to consider a great new idea which is actually being used in Germany (you know - the liberal utopia)...
...Please refrain from using cow beef, and use human flesh instead!
(come to think of it, when was the last time you heard a member of PETA condemming abortion???)
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Sep 24, 2008 at 01:20 PM Critic Says:
I think PETA should start drafting woman, to supply the milk for this ultimate worthy endeavour.
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Sep 24, 2008 at 01:59 PM Anonymous Says:
what about the suffering of the baby
i guess cows are in a higher class then humans
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Sep 24, 2008 at 01:56 PM Midwest Yid Says:
okay, this is not so appropriate, but you realize that the ice cream would be parve? gross.
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Sep 24, 2008 at 01:56 PM A Yiddene Says:
I thought this was a Purim spoof in Elul!
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Sep 24, 2008 at 01:54 PM anony Says:
Hypothetical questions worth having answered (though if PETA has their way it will not be hypothetical for long): Would such milk be kosher? Is it muttar to drink?? will cholov yisroel supervision be requried?
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Sep 24, 2008 at 02:03 PM sweet Says:
hey! is PETA the ones responsible 4 the shortage in honey. They probably ordered the bees not to produce honey!
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Sep 24, 2008 at 02:02 PM anon money Says:
NEXT THEY WILL KILL PEOPLE FOR THE MEAT
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Sep 24, 2008 at 02:04 PM love icecream Says:
This is almost as funny a story as the one about the guy with the fake parking pass. Keep me laughing durring the day in this great market. thanks VIN
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Sep 24, 2008 at 02:05 PM Z Says:
At least the ice cream would be pareve.
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Sep 24, 2008 at 01:10 PM Anonymous Says:
I'll tel you where they draw the line. Anything that affects them is permitted, therefore they will kill mice, mosqittos, cockroaches, etc., but anything affecting you is wrong. Once it was said that in a democracy your rights end where someone else's nose starts; they would like to change it that your rights end where his nose starts.
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Sep 24, 2008 at 01:05 PM btw Says:
are they pro-life when it comes to people?
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Sep 24, 2008 at 01:05 PM Ben Says:
I applaud vosizneias for posting this, as it puts things in perspective when judging Peta's constant harassment against the kosher meat industry and in particular, Agri. It's good to see them for the true lunatics that they are!
It is also interesting to note who they have targeted for their message: an ice cream factory rather than the standard milk company for using cow's milk when technically it shouldn't make a difference if the calves are suffering!:)
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Sep 24, 2008 at 02:05 PM mommy Says:
So I should give my milk 4 ice cream and give formula 4 my baby? it doesnt make sense to me! or .... Maybe I should give my baby some ice cream which will be enriched breast milk!
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Sep 24, 2008 at 02:13 PM Anonymous Says:
Do cows a favor!!
What a joke!
You can pinpoint their absurd mindset with those few words!
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Sep 24, 2008 at 02:22 PM Anonymous Says:
McDonalds has responded positively to Peta's request that yes, they will start using human flesh, especially those of humans that the cost of upkeep is more than killing them. They only requested to first use the dog meat in Peta's refrigerators, as it's baal tashchis to throw out precious money.
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Sep 24, 2008 at 02:26 PM Mashgiach Says:
If PITA would feed the baby cows ICE CREAM, we'd have no problems.
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Sep 24, 2008 at 02:27 PM frumsatire.net Says:
At least according to halacha the ice cream will now be parve. One of the only reasons I eat cholov stam is because of Ben and Jerrys- it is the best ice cream in the world, and its too hard to give up.
Breast milk cheesecake has been an idea of mine for years. Then we could have cholent on shavuos. Who's with me.
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Sep 24, 2008 at 02:58 PM Anonymous Says:
I can just see it... Give Milk Save A Cow !!
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Sep 24, 2008 at 02:56 PM nebuch Says:
Now Im mad!!! Im gonna go get me some Red Steak to start grilling!!
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Sep 24, 2008 at 02:34 PM Laidi Gayer Says:
If this story is true, it is very good that it was published. now people will not take them seriously anymore
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Sep 24, 2008 at 02:34 PM Anonymous Says:
In a statement Ben and Jerry’s said, “We applaud PETA’s novel approach to bringing attention to an issue, but we believe a mother’s milk is best used for her child.”
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How dare you Ben and Jerry, how could you be so insensitive to baby cow's? Don’t you know that baby cow's/animals come before human babies?
Ha, Ha, Ha,
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Sep 24, 2008 at 03:09 PM Anonymous Says:
I've got this from a very reliable source that the reason why PETA has done this is because they tried unsuccessfully to unionize the cows. (couldn't get the cows to moooove on it)
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Sep 24, 2008 at 03:19 PM Frumyid Says:
I also defy any PETA to drink the milk of a human.
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Sep 24, 2008 at 03:17 PM Mendy Hecht Says:
I actually know PETA people, and let me tell you that they know good and well what they're doing--they know good and well that this suggestion is completely laughable. They're only doing it to make a point that furthers their vegetarian/vegan/animal-rights agenda. I'm sure they'd be just as surprised and shocked if anybody took serious steps towards this ludicrous idea. It's all publicity.
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Sep 24, 2008 at 03:25 PM Anonymous Says:
Anon 3:17
Nobody is putting a gun to your head and forcing you to log onto VIN if you don't like it. So please don't force your opinion on everyone else.
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Sep 24, 2008 at 03:16 PM Frumyid Says:
1:33 you make a point. However, it is obviously what Hashem intended for us to do. Basur v/ cholov is specified in Torah and the method and means by which we kill and cook the meat is also proscribed.
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Sep 24, 2008 at 03:13 PM inmyopinion Says:
to frumsatire;
lets call a spade a spade. there is no such thing as cholov stam. it is cholov AKUM. and now adays it can be mamash treif. with all the operations on the cows, etc.
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Sep 24, 2008 at 03:30 PM nebuch Says:
I think we should make hamburgers from chopped up peta people. yummy!!!
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Sep 24, 2008 at 03:35 PM chriss Says:
What's next?
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Sep 24, 2008 at 03:34 PM Anonymous Says:
Wonder what the "Animals for the Ethical Treatment of People" would say!
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Sep 24, 2008 at 04:15 PM Anonymous Says:
You know how they write on tuna cans "Dolphine Safe" they will be able to write on the Ice Cream tubs "Cow Safe"
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Sep 24, 2008 at 03:58 PM bestwatchman Says:
cows produce too much milk and milking actually helps the cow (יותר ממה שהעגל רוצה לינק פרה רוצה להניק Pesachim Daf Kuf Yud Bais)
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Sep 24, 2008 at 04:29 PM Babishka Says:
It is doubtful that ice cream can be made from human milk, there is not enough butterfat.
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Sep 24, 2008 at 03:52 PM Anonymous Says:
This is a great idea. Parave Ben & Jerry's ice cream.
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Sep 24, 2008 at 03:47 PM delicious Says:
I heard that there is a restaurant in Switzerland uses human milk.
This is insane. Goyishe Kep!
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Sep 24, 2008 at 03:47 PM Anonymous Says:
nebuch
I respectfully disagree with you since I refuse to eat people that are vegetarians...wink...wink
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Sep 24, 2008 at 03:46 PM Yokum Purkon Says:
PETA can kiss my shtreimel.
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Sep 24, 2008 at 03:45 PM Commentator ben Torah haTzaddik Says:
Wait till someone demands using only father's milk
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Sep 24, 2008 at 05:06 PM yossel Says:
isnt everything that was created has a life?
and this is how the kavyochel instituted the domem is food for the tzomeach the tzomeach for the chai and the chai for the (highest) the medaber
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Sep 24, 2008 at 05:48 PM Anonymous Says:
Yossel, but if the medaber is a domem, a klutz (like Peta), then he shouldn't eat the chai.
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Sep 24, 2008 at 06:35 PM Anonymous Says:
Its amazing to me all you animal cruel people out there have no regard for the sensisivity of animals, be it the way jews treat the chickens at Kapores or be it the way the jewish kids taunt the animals in the zoo.
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Sep 24, 2008 at 06:29 PM abi gezunt Says:
peta is 100% right
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Sep 24, 2008 at 06:23 PM a yid Says:
i AM SURE PETA wears only rubber shoes. Why don't they also ban footballs mits etc.
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Sep 24, 2008 at 06:20 PM formely Says:
so now maybe you can say their nuts or whatever but not antisemitic
look at there new headline
Undercover Investigation Reveals Hormel Supplier's Abuse of Mother Pigs and Piglets
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Sep 24, 2008 at 06:15 PM formely Says:
inmyopinion Says:
comments - arrow to frumsatire;
lets call a spade a spade. there is no such thing as cholov stam. it is cholov AKUM. and now adays it can be mamash treif. with all the operations on the cows, etc.
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where do you think they get cholov yisreaol from the same cow and plant as cholov stam they just have someone frum watch what is going on.
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Sep 24, 2008 at 06:06 PM anonymous Says:
the woman should sell their milk these days its expensive
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Sep 24, 2008 at 07:34 PM Anonymous Says:
time for PETA kooks to get rid of the gas they store in their heads and get a brain transplant!!
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Sep 24, 2008 at 07:32 PM Anonymous Says:
This is udder nonsense, to put the squeeze on mothers this way.
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Sep 24, 2008 at 07:46 PM Robroy560 Says:
Look, I love animals and we need to respect them. My parents have always had at least one dog or cat - sometimes both.
But animals were also created by the RSO for our korbanot, food, and service.
But I am always amazed that the PETA folks will fight to the finish for animals, but have no problem murdering unborn children.
If you are opposed to animal milk, you can use soy, rice, or almond based milk. It's also parve. I buy parve soy ice cream all the time. It's great for Shabbat and Yom Tov. But I'm sure a chumrah of glatt soy may be issued soon.
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Sep 24, 2008 at 08:12 PM Anonymous Says:
a cow has to be milked it suffers if you dont milk it
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Sep 24, 2008 at 08:53 PM Drill Here!! Drill Now!! Save Money!! Says:
robroy,
where does it say "Kabayd Es haChamor v'es ha'porah v'es .... " ???????
Respect?????? I dont think so.
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Sep 24, 2008 at 08:51 PM Drill Here!! Drill Now!! Save Money!! Says:
Someone forgot to tell these pita jerks that Ben and Jerry sold the company for a boat load of cash to Unilever some 10-15 years ago and they hardly have what to do with the company nowadays.
Lets see, mothers milk requires that the mothers give birth which is something the libs dont want to happen. I got it!! If they chas v'sholom elect obamanation he could have congress draft a law to allow post birth abortion! Remember he voted AGAINST a bill giving "rights" to children of "botched" abortions in IL!
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Sep 24, 2008 at 08:50 PM Anonymous Says:
There would be a kashrus issue. I understand that a child is only allowed to nurse as long as he wasn't weaned, but, once the child is weaned he is not allowed to nurse. A human being is not a kosher animal so I don't know if anyone other than a mother's child is allowed to drink mother's milk( except in cases where someone is allergic or intolerant of any other food and it is pikuach nefesh.). I think PETA is off the wall as usual. Hashem gave the world to man to use, including using animals as food and for work. PETA is clearly denying our G-D given rights.Besides even if someone doesn't like the idea of killing an animal, milking does no harm at all. As long as a cow is producing milk it must be milked. The cow has plenty of milk, more than enough for her baby.
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Sep 24, 2008 at 08:57 PM Anonymous Says:
where do you think they get cholov yisreaol from the same cow and plant as cholov stam they just have someone frum watch what is going on.
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the kosher companies have seperate cows that didnt go thru surgeries
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Sep 24, 2008 at 09:42 PM Anonymous Says:
humans don't have split hooves or chew their cud.
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Sep 24, 2008 at 10:11 PM formely Says:
bestwatchman Says:
comments - arrow cows produce too much milk and milking actually helps the cow
that is true but if you look at it the way it is done now it is a different story it is not so simple
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the kosher companies have seperate cows that didnt go thru surgeries
sure, and new square grows its own orange trees, and also its own sugar cane for peseach. They rent time or a day in a regular milking farm, many years ago my relative worked at one.
first, what is your basis for, where did you get your information, and what operation are you talking about and even if they had an operation what does that have to do with the milk.
I think you are making this up to justify the cholev yisreal nonsense, since before whatever operation you are talking about they still said you need cholev yisroel. it is simply extortion by the rabbies, since the only questions is is it cows milk and know we know it is.
I can change my if you can back up your statements
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Is breast milk really parave ?
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Sep 24, 2008 at 10:22 PM formely Says:
the kosher companies have seperate cows that didnt go thru surgeries
Ok where is the issue of surgeries please do not make things up or prove me wrong
By: Rabbi Gordimer
Chalav Stam
Cholov Yisroel is a topic of great halachic dispute. Some Poskim rule that milk in many countries no longer needs special supervision, while other Poskim disagree and require supervision. What are the arguments for each side of this machlokes?
In a famous series of teshuvos (Igros Moshe YD 1:47-49), Rav Moshe Feinstein argues that all milk in the US has the halachic status of cholov Yisroel, as the government inspects all dairy factories to assure that there is no milk from non-kosher species, and the dairy companies therefore have fear (“mirsas” ) of being caught and penalized. Thus, we are certain that their milk is 100% from cows and is fully free of adulteration with milk from non-kosher species. This certainty is considered to be virtual halachic witnessing – ”anan sahadei” – and it thereby fulfills the requirements of cholov Yisroel, being halachically equivalent to the Jew actually observing the milk being processed. Reb Moshe was far from the first Posek to rule leniently on such milk (see Chazon Ish YD 41:4), but his lengthy teshuvos are the most elaborate on the topic. Although Reb Moshe states that a ba’al nefesh – one who can take stringencies upon himself – should consume only cholov Yisroel in the traditional sense, he clearly rules that all domestic milk meets cholov Yisroel requirements.
In light of Reb Moshe’s p’sak, American Jewry began to classify traditionally-supervised milk as “cholov Yisroel”, regular domestic milk without mashgichim present as “cholov stam” – “regular milk”, and milk from sources which do not have sufficient government regulations (such as many third-world countries) as “cholov akum” – the type of milk banned in the Gemara.
Reb Moshe (ibid. 1:49) addresses one seeming gap in his argument, which is that although there is government supervision and regulation at processing dairies (which bottle milk, make ice cream, etc.), there are often no such regulations at the actual farms which provide milk to processing dairies. Since the halacha is that milk made without supervision is rendered as assur (prohibited) and cannot later obtain permissibility (Remo YD 115:1), Reb Moshe was challenged as to how milk from unregulated farms could later be permitted when used at dairy processing plants which are subject to government inspection. Reb Moshe ruled that milk does not become prohibited as cholov akum until it reaches the Jewish consumer (“he’gia l’yad Yisroel” ); prior to that, when in non-Jewish hands, the milk is not encumbered by any issur. Thus, he maintained, milk at (non-Jewish) farms is not assur while it is yet there, and when it arrives at the point of processing, from whence it is sold to Jewish consumers, it is already under government supervision.
Those who disagree with Reb Moshe’s position argue on several grounds. Firstly, the principle of anan sahadei may very well not mean that Jews are halachically considered to be viewing the event; rather, anan sahadei likely means that the event is treated as fact, with a full degree of certainty as if it were performed with witnesses, although none are considered to be present in any sense. Thus, the rabbinic requirement for physical presence or observation of milking would not be fulfilled. Secondly, the concept of “he’gia l’Yad Yisroel” is a major chiddush (novel idea), not necessarily well-established in general. Furthermore, there are those who question whether government inspection creates the same level of mirsas as on-site mashgichim. (See Chelkas Yaakov 2:37-38; Chelkas Binyomin YD 115 s.k. 16 and tziyunim ibid. 51-54.)
On the other hand, the Rambam and Shulchan Aruch rule that butter made from unsupervised milk farmed by gentiles is permissible (Hil. Ma’achalos Asuros 3:16, YD 115:3), and the Remo (ibid. 115:2) rules likewise regarding cheese that has Jewish supervision for the cheese-making process but not for the milking. The reason for these exceptions is that we are confident that a gentile does not make cheese or butter from non-kosher milk (e.g. pig or camel milk), as such milk does not properly form into cheese or butter. We see from these halachic positions (disputed by some Geonim, Rishonim and Poskim) that reliance on systems of verification other than literal on-site hashgacha suffices. This rationale could very well be a factor for leniency with cholov stam, where government controls may serve as verification via mirsas, even without relying on Reb Moshe’s interpretation of anan sahadei. Furthermore, many – if not most – milk farmers produce milk for sale to all end-users, having in mind that cheese and butter companies are likely to use their milk, and the basis for permitting milk farmed for cheese and butter use could thus be a factor, obviating any issue posed by a lack of government control at milk farms.
Nevertheless, as mentioned earlier, not all agree that government supervision creates a sufficient level of mirsas, and much milk is farmed for direct consumption, not for cheese or butter use. So, too, unsupervised gentile milk farmed for cheese or butter use is not permitted until it is actually made into cheese or butter. (Remo YD 115:2)
It is noteworthy that the Aruch Ha-Shulchan YD 115:5-6) unequivocally rejected leniencies of his day regarding unsupervised milk, stating that (short of the cheese and butter rule) gentile milk is only permitted within the parameters postulated by Chazal, requiring on-site Jewish presence.
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Sep 24, 2008 at 10:48 PM TiMirAToyva Says:
You wrote all that? Get a life and a job.
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Sep 24, 2008 at 10:47 PM moshe Says:
I understand PETA they are animals and cows so they are worried for them selves...
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Sep 24, 2008 at 10:56 PM mendel Says:
now days it has nothing to do with government regulatons that was years ago today milking cows go thru bypass surgeries to relieve gas pains and they become treif and so does their milk thats why the cholov yosroel compaies have seperate cows that didnt go thru the surgery keeping them kosher and cholov yisroel and the colov stam ((akum treif come from random treif cows) . in the times of reb moishe feinsten z"l they didnt have this issue yet
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Sep 24, 2008 at 11:24 PM Drill Here!! Drill Now!! Save Money!! Says:
Use your head,
Unilever owns both Ben & Jerry AND Good Humor (as well as Breyers).
Human milk is TREIF once you dont need it. Also we have some proof that ayno yehudi people milk is NOT KOSHER at all.
Its a moot point bec B&J will NEVER listen to them.
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Sep 24, 2008 at 11:55 PM Lock & Load Says:
Lock & Load Says:
If you use mothers milk then the ice cream would be Pareve.
Like tofuttie
Lock & Load
09-24-2008 - 4:50 PM
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AGAIN YOU PATHETIC LITTLE MAN.....
STOP USING MY CREATIVE NAME.. WITH YOUR STUPID COMMENTS!!!!!!!
LOCK & LOAD
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Sep 25, 2008 at 12:00 AM Joe Says:
to formely:
besides, even if they were the same cows, the kasher the plant, and wait 24 hours before doing a batch of Cholov Yisroel.
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Sep 25, 2008 at 12:28 AM tzoorba Says:
Drill Here!! Drill Now!! Save Money!! Says:
comments - arrow Use your head,
@ Human milk is TREIF once you dont need it. Also we have some proof that ayno yehudi people milk is NOT KOSHER at all.
What is your source for this statement?
Ayno yehudi milk is certainly kosher for infants because Moshe Rabeinu didn't want to nurse only because of peh haasid ledaber im Hashechina.
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Sep 25, 2008 at 01:42 AM Rachamim Says:
The funniest part of the story is this: Ben and Jerry no longer actually OWN Ben and Jerry's. Their company was acquired in April of 2000 for $326 million by Unilever, a $50 billion plus/year Anglo-Dutch conglomerate
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Sep 25, 2008 at 01:37 AM Matzahlocal101 Says:
Tzoorba, look up Reb Yaakov's vort on that in emes liyaakov.
PETA kills 2000 animals a year. They file a form with the Virginia Dept of Agriculture and consumer services (vdacs)showing they euthanize 2000 animals a year. You can't kill animals for food or clothing but PETA can kill animals because it's inconvenient to care for them. This, despite the fact they have over 25 million in surplus stashed away in their shadow company FSAP. see petakillsanimals.com
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Sep 25, 2008 at 01:19 AM FinVeeNemtMenSeichel Says:
i cannot comment at this time as i am, unfortunately, busy brechen zich ois de kiskes. FEH!