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Jerusalem - Rare 1953 Photo And Document On Auction Offers Glimpse Into Ben-Gurion As A Jew

Published on: July 6, 2015 08:47 PM
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In this auction is included a photograph of the rabbis of the delegation arriving at one of the meetings, Rabbi Isser Zalman Meltzer, and Rabbi Meir Karelitz, [brother of the Chazon Ish],  Rabbi Tzvi Pesach Frank, Rabbi Menachem Porush. (Kedem Auction house)In this auction is included a photograph of the rabbis of the delegation arriving at one of the meetings, Rabbi Isser Zalman Meltzer, and Rabbi Meir Karelitz, [brother of the Chazon Ish],  Rabbi Tzvi Pesach Frank, Rabbi Menachem Porush. (Kedem Auction house)

Jerusalem - A rare glimpse into the world of former Israeli Prime Minister Ben-Gurion is being offered at auction tomorrow by the Jerusalem-based Kedem Auction House  for a starting price of $300.

The contents of this 1953 document reveal a heated discussion between Ben-Gurion and the leading rabbis of the generation at that time over whether women should be drafted into National Service or Sherut Leumi. Present at the gathering was Jerusalem’s Chief Rabbi Tzvi Pesach Frank, Rabbi Menachem Porush, Rabbi Isser Zalman Meltzer, and Rabbi Meir Karelitz, brother of the Chazon Ish.

Rabbi Frank began the meeting by saying Jewish Law prohibited women from being drafted to the army or any form of nation service. “. . .We request that you nullify this idea. . .we greatly fear that we will reach a situation, Heaven forfend that we will face the Divine consequence of ‘your sons and daughters will be given over to another nation.’”

According to notes from the meeting, “silence reigned in the room” while Rabbi Frank wept and the other rabbis emitted “heart-breaking sighs.” Adding to Rabbi Frank’s concerns, Rabbi Karelitz told Ben-Gurion, “In our great love for our Holy Land, we live in trembling and piercing fear to the depths of our soul that possibly, as a result of this law to draft women, we might face, Heaven forbid, the Torah’s warning, ‘Lest the Land vomit you out in your defilement of her.”

The document on AuctionThe document on Auction

Though no agreement was reached between the prime minister and the rabbis over this issue, Ben-Gurion acknowledged that he knew he was sitting among greatness. “I sit before you in great awe, and I know that I must be careful with what I say so that I not be as one who ‘teaches the law in front of his teachers.’ I am always sorry that I did not learn enough Torah, but I know to honor you and your prominence. I know your position and your status and your great influence.”

Rabbi Frank remarked that although some rabbis approved of National Service for women, “The Knesset cannot determine Jewish law.” Ben-Gurion seemed to agree with this statement when he said, “I want you to know that I, too, know that we will not be saved by the sword. . .I well know that we have emerged victorious in the merit of the Spirit.”

The documents are purportedly in “good condition” but contain “creases and filing holes.” The auction will take place at Hechal Shlomo in the capital.


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1

 Jul 06, 2015 at 09:59 PM OntheOtherHand Says:

Just goes to show you the every Yid is מלא מצוות כרמון

2

 Jul 06, 2015 at 10:37 PM Anonymous Says:

Ben Gurion is a rasha
He's burning deep.
And yes I know.
Don't give me speech about 3 weeks,
The guy was a Apikoras

3

 Jul 06, 2015 at 11:34 PM Liepa Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

Ben Gurion is a rasha
He's burning deep.
And yes I know.
Don't give me speech about 3 weeks,
The guy was a Apikoras

So tell me, what else do you know about the inner workings of 'shomayim'.
Please enlighten us mere mortals!

4

 Jul 06, 2015 at 11:47 PM ayoyo Says:

Do not judge a person until you are in the same situation, this is well known however we seldom think before we judge another.Perhaps we should think a bit more before writing comments in this site.

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 Jul 07, 2015 at 12:18 AM avraham Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

Ben Gurion is a rasha
He's burning deep.
And yes I know.
Don't give me speech about 3 weeks,
The guy was a Apikoras

Shame on you!!!! What you are saying is, Chas V'shalom, Hashem lost control and somehow this "Rasha" established the state and began the process of שיבת ציון,

6

 Jul 07, 2015 at 12:38 AM Anonymous Says:

Guess what you ois vuv, he did more to save yidden than you bench warmers will ever do.

7

 Jul 07, 2015 at 06:23 AM sane Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

Ben Gurion is a rasha
He's burning deep.
And yes I know.
Don't give me speech about 3 weeks,
The guy was a Apikoras

He did more good for Klal Yisroel than you would do in a hundred lifetimes. All those tens of thousands of yungerleit learning in Eretz Yisroel is because of him.

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 Jul 07, 2015 at 01:53 PM Grow up Says:

Reply to #3  
Liepa Says:

So tell me, what else do you know about the inner workings of 'shomayim'.
Please enlighten us mere mortals!

Don't need to be a Novi just have to be on he side of Torah & Halacha and this rasha was anti.

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 Jul 07, 2015 at 02:36 PM savtat Says:

To commenter No 2 - it is my belief that the state of Israel exists because it was deemed to be a haven for ALL THE JEWS wherever they were to come home. Read some history about Bayis Sheni and who returned with Ezra and Nechemya. And, btw, Mordechai from Megilat Ester also joined them.

May HKBH bless all of us and smile down on us with his love for all of Klal Yisrael.

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 Jul 07, 2015 at 03:30 PM Rafuel Says:

Reply to #7  
sane Says:

He did more good for Klal Yisroel than you would do in a hundred lifetimes. All those tens of thousands of yungerleit learning in Eretz Yisroel is because of him.

No, in spite of him and because of Jews steadfastly dedicated to G-d and His Torah.

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 Jul 07, 2015 at 04:16 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
Anonymous Says:

Guess what you ois vuv, he did more to save yidden than you bench warmers will ever do.

It sounds like Moy Ahani lei Rabanim here you are talking about someone's Gehemoin and in the meantime you are saying the biggest appokurses do you believe les din v'les Dayan and as long as you defend Zionism you can say and do what you want? What #2 is saying that it is important to realize that his way is not a way a Yid should live and that's not being a Navi rather that is Emuna that there is Schar V'Onesh May we see the Nechama speedily in our days

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 Jul 07, 2015 at 06:05 PM bezh2626 Says:

ben gurien calling him this or that is not so simple, he was a well learned man, and despite that he didn't keep, for those who argue that such great thing he did, its debatable, that's were everyone of us has a different opinion, but the pusek says already m'rshiem yatza resha, and look where we are today, with so called state, may we all be blessed to the real gualua shlima

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 Jul 07, 2015 at 07:58 PM bubii Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

Ben Gurion is a rasha
He's burning deep.
And yes I know.
Don't give me speech about 3 weeks,
The guy was a Apikoras

Yes he was an apikoires,but you are an amharetz and a goilem.

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 Jul 07, 2015 at 08:43 PM bubii Says:

Reply to #11  
Anonymous Says:

It sounds like Moy Ahani lei Rabanim here you are talking about someone's Gehemoin and in the meantime you are saying the biggest appokurses do you believe les din v'les Dayan and as long as you defend Zionism you can say and do what you want? What #2 is saying that it is important to realize that his way is not a way a Yid should live and that's not being a Navi rather that is Emuna that there is Schar V'Onesh May we see the Nechama speedily in our days

Most probably you are living of the zionists hard work,you have the nerve to judge others in a bad light who arent like you ,you are the roshe not the nonfrummers.

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