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Middletown, NY - Times Herald Record Retracts Letter To The Editor Charging Chasidim With Statutory Rape, Welfare Fraud And Questionable Marriage Practices

Published on: July 9, 2015 01:56 PM
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The letter that was published on the Times Herald Record web site for more than 5 hours before it was removed, and later the Record published an apologyThe letter that was published on the Times Herald Record web site for more than 5 hours before it was removed, and later the Record published an apology

Middletown, NY - A Hudson Valley newspaper has apologized for running a letter to the editor decrying the continued growth of the Chasidic population in the Hudson Valley, saying that the letter contained inflammatory speech.

The letter, titled “Hasidic community growth detrimental” appeared Wednesday on recordonline.com, the Times Herald Record’s website.  Written by Kate Payne of White Lake, the letter warned that the growth of Kiryas Joel is a precursor to similar expansion throughout Sullivan and Orange counties.

In her letter, Payne noted that Bloomingburg is proof that Chasidic growth will not be confined exclusively to Kiryas Joel.

“These subsets of Hasidim are popping up all along our beautiful counties without regard to the obvious decimation of our communal lands.  The Stevensville Hotel, Day Top, it just never ends what property they will accumulate to their end, which is, of course, tax exempt.”

Payne also scoffed at the notion that Chasidim need more land to accommodate their intentionally large families, whose size is intended to replace those murdered in the Holocaust, and dismissed claims that there is virtually no teenage pregnancy in Kiryas Joel.

“I don’t know how to phrase this properly, but if they marry off teenagers to propagate their population, duh, they don’t have unwanted/unplanned pregnancies.”

Further throwing barbs at Chasidic customs, Payne had harsh words about the age at which Chasidic women begin bearing children.

“Their teenage girls get married to further enhance their ‘inevitable growth.’  In my lifetime, it would have been considered statutory rape.”

Payne further blasted the Chasidic custom of marrying within families, saying that the practice only breeds “mentally deficient children” thereby creating a greater need for taxpayer funded schools for special needs children and bemoaned a potential plan to create 30,000 square feet of Chasidic housing in White Lake, saying it was too large for the small community.

Taking aim at the high incidence of welfare, Medicaid and food stamps within the Chasidic community, Payne called Chasidic marriages into question.

“I have recently learned that since their marriages are not recognized by New York state and occur within their strict community, they have legal rights to welfare and Medicaid and food stamps as each family is considered with an ‘unwed’ mother, of teenage years to begin having children throughout child-bearing years, into the thirties. Welfare fraud, to say the least, is a serious situation in this area. They’re killing us!”

The Times Herald Record issued a formal apology on its website at 12:17 this afternoon, approximately 20 hours after Payne’s letter was first posted.

Barry Lewis, executive editor of the Times Herald Record, acknowledged that the letter should not have appeared on the paper’s website, which regularly screens letters to the editor for grammar, spelling, length and content.

“It was a letter that really should not have been posted which is why we took it down,” Lewis told VIN News.  “It was inadvertently put on when it should not have been.”

Ari Felberman, government relations coordinator for Kiryas Joel, praised the Record for removing Payne’s letter.

“It shows responsibility on their part and I hope that now that they see that there are those who will use their publication to stir up hatred, they will be more diligent in the future and vet letters that come in, not after the fact, but before the fact,” said Felberman.

Yossi Gestetner, Co-Founder of OJPAC, a News Commentator and PR service provider in the Orthodox Jewish Community who alerted the Record about the rousing letter, said that the letter was, surprisingly, on the Record’s website for more than eight hours and its content is correctly described in the apology as “inflammatory speech.”

Going forward, the newspaper should implement better editorial standards for in house and submitted content alike., Gestetner said.


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 Jul 09, 2015 at 02:28 PM Anonymous Says:

I disagree with their decision. I think it is important for the haters to be public, not hiding like insects under a rock. The proper action would have been for the paper to print an editorial with the letter explaining that, while the author has freedom of speech, the article is full of factual inaccuracies, bigotry, and does not reflect the opinions of the paper. I guarantee there would have been a flood of letters decrying her comments - even from people who are not big fans of KJ or Chassidim, but whose opinions are not based on prejudice. Bigots do not go away when they are prevented from speaking - they just go underground and multiply in the dark.

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 Jul 09, 2015 at 02:50 PM Avrohom Abba Says:

Kate Payne wrote, "They're killing us."
She is the only person I ever heard about who feels that we are killing them because their properties have gone UP in value as a direct result of our offers to buy.
Kate Payne, relax, and look at real data, and do some research, before resorting to crass slander and gossip. We don't complain about, or criticize the social values of your community.

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 Jul 09, 2015 at 02:39 PM Anonymous Says:

I am not sure where this lie about having non-legal marriages comes from - 75% of marriage licenses issued in the Town of Monroe come from KJ - here in White Lake, where the author of this rant lives (as do I), the Town Clerk could tell anyone how many marriage licenses she makes all summer long for the Hasidic community

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 Jul 09, 2015 at 03:30 PM Secular Says:

Is it true?

Do people actually file as unwed to receive goverment help?

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 Jul 09, 2015 at 03:31 PM commonsense99 Says:

there you have it for all the world to see, need i say more?

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 Jul 09, 2015 at 03:52 PM mewhoze Says:

wow! if this was done to another ''group'' with a strong leader that speaks up on behalf of his people this writer would now be unemployed.

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 Jul 09, 2015 at 04:09 PM SandmanNY Says:

Bigotry suffers from a problem with ants - ignorANTS and arrogANTS. (I know - ignorance and arrogance.) Kate Payne (k'shmah ken hi) should call the Orkin man to get rid of that infestation of the mind.

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 Jul 09, 2015 at 04:19 PM Anonymous Says:

And most of us believed this is the "Goldene medinah" heh?

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 Jul 09, 2015 at 04:28 PM pinay Says:

Thank you Mrs. Eller and Vosizneias for following up on that awful letter and importantly preserving its contents on the internet, (the Times Herald Record has taken down the original letter).

Unfortunately, in spite of its apology the Record appears to frequently uses hatred of Chasidim as a means to generate circulation for their newspaper, and it calls the authenticity of the apology into doubt. If you go to their website and search their coverage of Bloomingburg , Kiryas Joel and Orthodox Sullivan County vacationers many stories are slanted with a bias against Orthodox and Chasidic Jews. For example In a recent story about arrests made for alleged cheating on welfare applications, available here, http://bit.ly/1MiGPYN , 30 people were arrested from all over Orange County. To a neutral observer this would be viewed as a county wide sting against welfare cheats and not something centralized in Kiryas Joel. The Record implicated Kiryas Joel as a separate entity, presumably to enflame their readers preconceived notions about welfare cheating in Kiryas Joel, in their headline by stating “Welfare fraud sweep nabs 30 Orange County residents, 2 corporations in Kiryas Joel”.

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 Jul 09, 2015 at 04:35 PM Realist77 Says:

Unfortunately much of what is in the letter is true. The community has to stop having the entitlement mentality and have to start acting like Mentchs. The lack of a secular education and barely passable English skills only makes them more dependent on the government handouts. The "Goyim" are aware of the the shtick that has been perpetrated for years.

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 Jul 09, 2015 at 04:36 PM Meyer Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

I disagree with their decision. I think it is important for the haters to be public, not hiding like insects under a rock. The proper action would have been for the paper to print an editorial with the letter explaining that, while the author has freedom of speech, the article is full of factual inaccuracies, bigotry, and does not reflect the opinions of the paper. I guarantee there would have been a flood of letters decrying her comments - even from people who are not big fans of KJ or Chassidim, but whose opinions are not based on prejudice. Bigots do not go away when they are prevented from speaking - they just go underground and multiply in the dark.

I think you are right. If she is an antisemite that's her choice. But she should portray herself as one. She should be publicly known for that. We can handle her.

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 Jul 09, 2015 at 05:20 PM Mayer Says:

#4 - the answer is yes they do. There are also incidences of happily married couples getting divorced but continuing to live in adjacent homes "for the benefit of the children so that they have close contact with both parents". Of course there is no get, the two "divorced" parents see each other regularly, no doubt only to discuss their children's welfare and life goes on as before but with increased benefits for both the single parents, as of course the children are legally split between them to maximise the amount they can draw from the government and state.

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 Jul 09, 2015 at 05:26 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
Secular Says:

Is it true?

Do people actually file as unwed to receive goverment help?

no - if you look up a few years ago Vosizneias reported that the Town of Monroe couldn't handle the high volume of marriage licenses coming from Kiryas Joel, as over 75% of the licenses in the Town were from KJ. Also, it doesn't work that way, actually you gain more tax wise by being married legally than by living together without being married (otherwise, why would same-sex couples be fighting for marriage?!?!?!)

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 Jul 09, 2015 at 05:51 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
Realist77 Says:

Unfortunately much of what is in the letter is true. The community has to stop having the entitlement mentality and have to start acting like Mentchs. The lack of a secular education and barely passable English skills only makes them more dependent on the government handouts. The "Goyim" are aware of the the shtick that has been perpetrated for years.

אוי ווי גערעכט די ביסט

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 Jul 09, 2015 at 06:07 PM Benny Says:

This machasheufah belongs in prison for spreading a hatred to US land!

Yes, they do marry young, but they don't go around doing znus like most of the teenagers.
Yes, they receive different programs like most of the U.S. Citizens do!
Yes, they do speak different language, like many US citizens do!

Do I want to live in their neighborhood? No, so I buy or rent my house where I like!

Maybe she is upset at them because if they move in - she won't have drugs on their street, they won't have znus on their block, there won't be night alcohol drinking on their properties, so she will get board!

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 Jul 09, 2015 at 07:01 PM DOVE1 Says:

Reply to #10  
Realist77 Says:

Unfortunately much of what is in the letter is true. The community has to stop having the entitlement mentality and have to start acting like Mentchs. The lack of a secular education and barely passable English skills only makes them more dependent on the government handouts. The "Goyim" are aware of the the shtick that has been perpetrated for years.

everyone should ignore this **********

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 Jul 09, 2015 at 08:38 PM gimmeabreak Says:

So, what's the problem here? Where are all the posters on this site who so often and so vigorously defend "free speech"? Or is that defense only of speech critical of other groups?

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 Jul 09, 2015 at 08:41 PM Anonymous Says:

Don't they marry cousins?

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 Jul 09, 2015 at 09:10 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
Realist77 Says:

Unfortunately much of what is in the letter is true. The community has to stop having the entitlement mentality and have to start acting like Mentchs. The lack of a secular education and barely passable English skills only makes them more dependent on the government handouts. The "Goyim" are aware of the the shtick that has been perpetrated for years.

Are you for real???? Asking for more living space is entitlement? Having more children than an average goy is not being a mentch? Taking "government handouts" is a shtick? I am paying taxes, I work hard for my money. Why should I have to pay for homeless shelters, drug rehabilitation centers, public schools, public libraries that I have no use from??? And for the public assistance that the choleres get without being married, having children, not working, on drugs, and the biggest criminals. At least yiddishe kinder can live a little bit.

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 Jul 09, 2015 at 09:58 PM Anonymous Says:

Best enter shouldn't say a word. He called all the secular Jews in Ramapo nazis in his videos. Many of us had our entire families wiped out.

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 Jul 09, 2015 at 10:17 PM ydeneydene Says:

Marriage with a marriage license is legit. She's disgusting.

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 Jul 09, 2015 at 10:39 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #12  
Mayer Says:

#4 - the answer is yes they do. There are also incidences of happily married couples getting divorced but continuing to live in adjacent homes "for the benefit of the children so that they have close contact with both parents". Of course there is no get, the two "divorced" parents see each other regularly, no doubt only to discuss their children's welfare and life goes on as before but with increased benefits for both the single parents, as of course the children are legally split between them to maximise the amount they can draw from the government and state.

I worked with government entitlement programs for many years and never came across Yiddin having divorces of convenience or not marrying to receive benefits. If there are such cases they are few and far between. Our people do wrong in other areas, contrary to halacha, but Mayer's claim if fiction.

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 Jul 09, 2015 at 10:44 PM Anonymous Says:

The so-called 'unwed mother' myth has been so thoroughly debunked, it amazes me how often it is spouted online.
Not only is it a lie, it is a stupid lie, since thee ARE NO BENEFITS to being an unwed mother!!
So first, they have to invent a pretend benefit, and then make up a way that the Chassidim lie to get that non-existent benefit

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 Jul 09, 2015 at 10:48 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #19  
Anonymous Says:

Don't they marry cousins?

Yes they do, What's wrong about that?

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 Jul 10, 2015 at 01:37 AM smartandthinking Says:

Ladies and gentleman. If non satmar frum jews stop talking so negatively about their fellow jews, which ultimately chasidim are than perhaps non jews wont be so nasty either. Id like to make a few observations to this woman 1. I dont have a big family to replace anyone. I replace my socks when they get holes, each child is a precious neshama valued appreciated and parented. 2. The USA is a free country meaning I can choose to live my life as i see fit, benefitting from the largesse offered by the govt. Is not a crime or unseemly. 3. being very literate in a second language, working blue collar jobs and having some difficulty with english is hardly a disgrace as second languages are routinely accomadated. Lets celebrate a moral family centric hard working, though flawed group of people with out chas vesholom agreeing with the malshinim

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 Jul 10, 2015 at 05:56 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

I disagree with their decision. I think it is important for the haters to be public, not hiding like insects under a rock. The proper action would have been for the paper to print an editorial with the letter explaining that, while the author has freedom of speech, the article is full of factual inaccuracies, bigotry, and does not reflect the opinions of the paper. I guarantee there would have been a flood of letters decrying her comments - even from people who are not big fans of KJ or Chassidim, but whose opinions are not based on prejudice. Bigots do not go away when they are prevented from speaking - they just go underground and multiply in the dark.

Actually, all of the facts contained within the letter I obtained from the Times Herald Record. I didn't make that stuff up. I did, however, neglect to mention the voter fraud that was also recorded by the Times Herald Record specifically regarding KJ and Lam communities. All I did was consolidate information within their reporting into one concise letter. Anti-Semitic I am not, but I am anti-cultural of any cult/sect that demeans women. Letters to the editor are supposed to be "opinions," and mine was filled with facts from the THR. Any literate understands that letters to the editor do not reflect the opinion of the publication. I didn't go underground nor did I hide my name, Anonymous!! It would be great to publish under some pseudonym and say whatever one wants without reprisal, but I wrote under my own name and stated FACTS obtained through the THR! You have something else to say? Use your name and your frame of reference. My frame of reference is clear. If you live here, your frame of reference should be just as clear. Again, I didn't make up these facts; rather, I consolidated them from reporting from the Times Herald Record within the last eighteen months or so.

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 Jul 10, 2015 at 06:02 AM kate32399 Says:

Reply to #7  
SandmanNY Says:

Bigotry suffers from a problem with ants - ignorANTS and arrogANTS. (I know - ignorance and arrogance.) Kate Payne (k'shmah ken hi) should call the Orkin man to get rid of that infestation of the mind.

Their is no ignorance nor arrogance in my letter to the editor. It is/was factually correct in that most of the content was obtained from the archives, within the last eighteen months or so, from the Times Herald Record. I have no bigotry, only disdain for those who thwart the system in the way of illegal benefits and welfare programs, not to mention tax exemptions, etc. This was all published in the Times Herald Record. If you have an infestation, perhaps YOU should call an exterminator.

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 Jul 10, 2015 at 06:15 AM kate32399 Says:

Reply to #9  
pinay Says:

Thank you Mrs. Eller and Vosizneias for following up on that awful letter and importantly preserving its contents on the internet, (the Times Herald Record has taken down the original letter).

Unfortunately, in spite of its apology the Record appears to frequently uses hatred of Chasidim as a means to generate circulation for their newspaper, and it calls the authenticity of the apology into doubt. If you go to their website and search their coverage of Bloomingburg , Kiryas Joel and Orthodox Sullivan County vacationers many stories are slanted with a bias against Orthodox and Chasidic Jews. For example In a recent story about arrests made for alleged cheating on welfare applications, available here, http://bit.ly/1MiGPYN , 30 people were arrested from all over Orange County. To a neutral observer this would be viewed as a county wide sting against welfare cheats and not something centralized in Kiryas Joel. The Record implicated Kiryas Joel as a separate entity, presumably to enflame their readers preconceived notions about welfare cheating in Kiryas Joel, in their headline by stating “Welfare fraud sweep nabs 30 Orange County residents, 2 corporations in Kiryas Joel”.

Nope! Read the archives, by which I mean maybe eighteen or so months ago where the FBI came in to call into question the voter registration. It was so egregious that I can't even begin to "rant" about it. The factual total of "registered" voters was a fraction of what was claimed. I don't/didn't make up this information. You're talking about an article that appeared a few days ago and not the one that appeared a few months ago with the FBI in full armor into and out of residences where falsely registered voters were purported to have lived. I deplore a lying culture that demeans women, girls, actually, and lies and cheats for government assistance. Again, I got this information from the Times Herald Record. I just synthesized it.

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 Jul 10, 2015 at 06:20 AM kate32399 Says:

Reply to #2  
Avrohom Abba Says:

Kate Payne wrote, "They're killing us."
She is the only person I ever heard about who feels that we are killing them because their properties have gone UP in value as a direct result of our offers to buy.
Kate Payne, relax, and look at real data, and do some research, before resorting to crass slander and gossip. We don't complain about, or criticize the social values of your community.

I did REAL research, and, unfortunately, you didn't do your homework. If people put up mansions next to modest homes, the modest homes go UP in value thereby increasing taxes. True-to-form, those McMansions then "somehow" gain some tax amnesty. So my modest cottage is taxed regarding those gorgeous mansions surrounding us which then get tax exemption. I would never seek to publish anything without doing my research. In fact, research is practically what I do for a living. Could you imagine publishing what turned out to be so inflammatory a letter without doing research? I wouldn't. I did the research. I cleared my facts. Further, the facts were vetted by the Times Herald Record.

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 Jul 10, 2015 at 06:27 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #11  
Meyer Says:

I think you are right. If she is an antisemite that's her choice. But she should portray herself as one. She should be publicly known for that. We can handle her.

Funnily enough, Hasidim are anti-Semitic in not recognizing secular Jews as "real" jews. I'm not anti-Semitic. I'm anti-cultural-anyone-who-demeans-women and defrauds the system. As the saying goes, All of my best friends are Jewish. And that's true for me. I grew up here. Hasidim don't want anything to do with non-Hasidim any more than your truthful you do.

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 Jul 10, 2015 at 06:30 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
Secular Says:

Is it true?

Do people actually file as unwed to receive goverment help?

Yes, they do. It's available on Google. That's why they receive so many benefits. Ninety-seven per cent of Kiryas Joel is on welfare!! That was published in the Times Herald Record.

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 Jul 10, 2015 at 09:33 AM MrSmith Says:

Boycott Paynes Boat Rental in White Lake, don't spend your money there, they hated you for years before all of this KJ crap

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 Jul 10, 2015 at 09:35 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #24  
Anonymous Says:

The so-called 'unwed mother' myth has been so thoroughly debunked, it amazes me how often it is spouted online.
Not only is it a lie, it is a stupid lie, since thee ARE NO BENEFITS to being an unwed mother!!
So first, they have to invent a pretend benefit, and then make up a way that the Chassidim lie to get that non-existent benefit

Are you really insinuating that our Jewish brethren are making up or repeating lies against the chassidim? No, really.

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 Jul 10, 2015 at 10:32 AM jason Says:

Reply to #20  
Anonymous Says:

Are you for real???? Asking for more living space is entitlement? Having more children than an average goy is not being a mentch? Taking "government handouts" is a shtick? I am paying taxes, I work hard for my money. Why should I have to pay for homeless shelters, drug rehabilitation centers, public schools, public libraries that I have no use from??? And for the public assistance that the choleres get without being married, having children, not working, on drugs, and the biggest criminals. At least yiddishe kinder can live a little bit.

Your taxes pay for homeless shelters, drug rehabilitation centers, public schools, public libraries that you have no use for because that is what our elected officials have determined where our taxes should be put forth for the betterment of society moving America towards a prosperous future. Ultra Orthodox Jewry makes up a small percentage of the US population, so sorry it can't cater to your specific needs. A capitalist society won't move forward by large groups of able bodied and minded people taking welfare instead of seeking employment.

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 Jul 10, 2015 at 10:44 AM BuckyinWisconsin Says:

Reply to #20  
Anonymous Says:

Are you for real???? Asking for more living space is entitlement? Having more children than an average goy is not being a mentch? Taking "government handouts" is a shtick? I am paying taxes, I work hard for my money. Why should I have to pay for homeless shelters, drug rehabilitation centers, public schools, public libraries that I have no use from??? And for the public assistance that the choleres get without being married, having children, not working, on drugs, and the biggest criminals. At least yiddishe kinder can live a little bit.

That is an EXCELLENT point. Yahskoach.

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 Jul 10, 2015 at 12:46 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #36  
jason Says:

Your taxes pay for homeless shelters, drug rehabilitation centers, public schools, public libraries that you have no use for because that is what our elected officials have determined where our taxes should be put forth for the betterment of society moving America towards a prosperous future. Ultra Orthodox Jewry makes up a small percentage of the US population, so sorry it can't cater to your specific needs. A capitalist society won't move forward by large groups of able bodied and minded people taking welfare instead of seeking employment.

our taxes are also put forth to public assistance, which is section 8, food stamps, medicaid and welfare, which everybody is entitled to if you are eligible. You need to have some source of income to get accept if you are disabled. And let me tell you that even you are disabled the government is not so good to help you out. If this is the only thing that yiddishe children could get out of their taxes that you and me pay and it keeps them afloat kol hakovod. Don't be jealous it's not an easy way of life.

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 Jul 11, 2015 at 11:17 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #27  
Anonymous Says:

Actually, all of the facts contained within the letter I obtained from the Times Herald Record. I didn't make that stuff up. I did, however, neglect to mention the voter fraud that was also recorded by the Times Herald Record specifically regarding KJ and Lam communities. All I did was consolidate information within their reporting into one concise letter. Anti-Semitic I am not, but I am anti-cultural of any cult/sect that demeans women. Letters to the editor are supposed to be "opinions," and mine was filled with facts from the THR. Any literate understands that letters to the editor do not reflect the opinion of the publication. I didn't go underground nor did I hide my name, Anonymous!! It would be great to publish under some pseudonym and say whatever one wants without reprisal, but I wrote under my own name and stated FACTS obtained through the THR! You have something else to say? Use your name and your frame of reference. My frame of reference is clear. If you live here, your frame of reference should be just as clear. Again, I didn't make up these facts; rather, I consolidated them from reporting from the Times Herald Record within the last eighteen months or so.

You make it sound like the Times Herald Record is some Bible they are made up of
writers who some of them are little Anti Semites like you.

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 Jul 11, 2015 at 11:22 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #29  
kate32399 Says:

Nope! Read the archives, by which I mean maybe eighteen or so months ago where the FBI came in to call into question the voter registration. It was so egregious that I can't even begin to "rant" about it. The factual total of "registered" voters was a fraction of what was claimed. I don't/didn't make up this information. You're talking about an article that appeared a few days ago and not the one that appeared a few months ago with the FBI in full armor into and out of residences where falsely registered voters were purported to have lived. I deplore a lying culture that demeans women, girls, actually, and lies and cheats for government assistance. Again, I got this information from the Times Herald Record. I just synthesized it.

You confuse seperation of the sexes as a way of demeaning women and girls, Actually it's you permissive culture that views women as sex objects that demeans women.

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 Jul 12, 2015 at 09:15 AM Secular Says:

Reply to #26  
smartandthinking Says:

Ladies and gentleman. If non satmar frum jews stop talking so negatively about their fellow jews, which ultimately chasidim are than perhaps non jews wont be so nasty either. Id like to make a few observations to this woman 1. I dont have a big family to replace anyone. I replace my socks when they get holes, each child is a precious neshama valued appreciated and parented. 2. The USA is a free country meaning I can choose to live my life as i see fit, benefitting from the largesse offered by the govt. Is not a crime or unseemly. 3. being very literate in a second language, working blue collar jobs and having some difficulty with english is hardly a disgrace as second languages are routinely accomadated. Lets celebrate a moral family centric hard working, though flawed group of people with out chas vesholom agreeing with the malshinim

To # 20 and 26,

It is your stated attitude which people find abhorrent.

You state " The USA is a free country meaning I can choose to live my life as i see fit, benefiting from the largesse offered by the govt. Is not a crime or unseemly."

Yes, the USA is a free country and one can choose to live your life as you see fit but NOT at the EXPENSE of OTHERS. The welfare, medicaid and section 8 programs are NOT government largesse, but temporary CHARITABLE SAFETY NETS, NOT A LIFESTYLE CHOICE. These are meant to bridge people coming on hard times, disabled or elderly. Benefiting from these programs is unseemly AND CRIMINAL when doing so means under reporting one's income or marital status. Not to mention the Geneivas Da'as, and Gezel HaRabim that occurs by misrepresenting one's status.

What's more galling is your Sheli sheli, VeShelcha Sheli attitude.(#20) You are entitled if you are eligible..(!?!) Before calling those on public assistance 'Choleros'...you should look in the mirror and not try to justify your scams by pointing out the flaws in others. Since when is being on public assistance an admirable goal or something to be celebrated.

Shame on all of you.

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 Jul 12, 2015 at 11:48 AM anonymous Says:

Reply to #40  
Anonymous Says:

You confuse seperation of the sexes as a way of demeaning women and girls, Actually it's you permissive culture that views women as sex objects that demeans women.

Oh, I'm sorry! I thought you had as many children as possible, literally year after year. To keep a woman pregnant her whole life, in wigs, winter clothes in summer is demeaning!

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 Jul 12, 2015 at 09:56 PM confusedmom Says:

Reply to #42  
anonymous Says:

Oh, I'm sorry! I thought you had as many children as possible, literally year after year. To keep a woman pregnant her whole life, in wigs, winter clothes in summer is demeaning!

You seem to think that someone is forcing us women into a lifestyle we don't want. Or brainwashing us. I take offense to the insinuation that I don't have my own mind and cannot make decisions for myself. I chose to marry my husband, yes legally. I love and treasure children and choose to have more. I dress in a way that's cool yet modest in the summer, not in woolen, heavy winter clothing. I follow my religion, and don't we have freedom of religion in this country? Who do you think is forcing me to do this? Nobody. I choose to act and dress like a religious Jew and do so with pride. Respect that.

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