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Albany, NY - Teacher Accused With Sex Abuse Of Minor

Published on: October 1, 2008 08:38 PM
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Albany, NY - It was at a Hebrew school on New Scotland Avenue and a Community Center off Whitehall Road where Albany police said Rabbi Y, 28, of Loudonville had sexual contact with a 13-year-old boy.

Albany Public Safety Officer James Miller said, “The victim along with some of the other classmates were talking about what happened. Somebody overheard that, anonymously called into the New York State tipline.”

Miller said while Y was teaching at the school, at least two incidents took place, with it happening once at the Community Center. Miller said the abuse went on for 6 months starting last November.

“You have a certain expectation that your kids are going to be safe, that the teachers aren’t going to act in an inappropriate manner which he allegedly did at this point,” said Miller.

Y is rabbi of Chabad Colonie and is best known for fighting with Colonie Center over it not having a Menorah.

Y runs his organization out of his Longwood Drive home. No one answered the door Tuesday afternoon.

With Rosh Hashana, calls to Y attorney and to the number listed for the school were not immediately returned.

Miller said, “The investigation is still open because many instances like this, there is a potential that there are many other victims out there.”

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Y is charged with one count of second-degree sex abuse, two counts of third-degree sex abuse and three counts of endangering the welfare of a child. He was arraigned in Albany City Criminal Court and released. There is no word on when he’s due back in court.

VIN News has also confirmed that the Y has been removed from his position several weeks ago as soon as it came to light the accusation.


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1

 Oct 01, 2008 at 08:48 PM Anonymous Says:

It is Motzei Rosh Hashona its Loshen Hara

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 Oct 01, 2008 at 08:56 PM Anonymous Says:

Wow Rosh Hashana Gives you Smicha to pasken That it is LH when there are Gedolim that already paskened it isn't. Aside from the fact that if it is LH you should not have read the story.

3

 Oct 01, 2008 at 09:01 PM Anonymous Says:

That is not Loshen Hora!! His name should be posted on bilboards all over the city so people should be aware of him!!

4

 Oct 01, 2008 at 09:10 PM emes Says:

I'd suggest that V.I.N. should refrain from publicizing this kind of (MENIFULES) news perminent......or atleast lill after the YUMIM NOIRURIM

5

 Oct 01, 2008 at 09:08 PM Anonymous Says:

Not just people should stay away from him It should service a warning for other hidden (teacher) predators that when they will get caught there names and photos will be all over town

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 Oct 01, 2008 at 09:07 PM Policeman Says:

Thank G-d someone had the courage to contact the authorities, otherwise our 'leaders' would sit on their hands while this would continue.
If he is innocent, let him have his day in court. But meanwhile he needs to be kept away from children.

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 Oct 01, 2008 at 09:06 PM Anonymous Says:

Please VIN take down this story, its LH on motzei rosh hashana

8

 Oct 01, 2008 at 09:04 PM Anonymous Says:

Yes! Can the Lashon Hora crap already, and break out the Lo Sa'amod Al Dam Re'echa for once!

9

 Oct 01, 2008 at 09:02 PM Anonymous Says:

I guess Tichleh shonoh vkillilosehoh has not occured-

12

 Oct 01, 2008 at 09:15 PM Anonymous Says:

have some pity on his family!! they are innocent, let us try to think of those who are suffering on this motzai rosh hashana

13

 Oct 01, 2008 at 09:30 PM Used & Abused Says:

Just because he was arraigned, does not make him guilty. Did VIN in vestigate who the accuser is? could it be that maybe, just maybe it's a way for someone to take revenge for whatever it is they might want to? This is not the first time someone was falsely accused. I am not saying tht it should not be investigated. but before we smear someones name on the blogs, we should wait for the investigation and court to decide the fait of Rabbi Weiss. If found guilty however, he should be hung in middle of times square by his "Payos" (for lack of better term)
Gmar Chsima Toiva to all

14

 Oct 01, 2008 at 09:22 PM mg Says:

He is innocent until proven guilty!!!!!

15

 Oct 01, 2008 at 09:21 PM Anonymous Says:

Tichleh shonoh vkillilosehoh will occur when these loshon hora crack heads stop shooting the messengers, and realize that being timid with sexual predators is ruining our community.

16

 Oct 01, 2008 at 09:19 PM anon Says:

since i'm not related 2 or know the alledged victim, i really feel bad 4 this guy & his family. What timing!!!

17

 Oct 01, 2008 at 09:38 PM Anonymous Says:

Why do people place their bad feelings with the "alleged'" molester instead of having compassion for the "alleged" victims? Kind of misplaced rachmanus.

18

 Oct 01, 2008 at 09:35 PM Policeman Says:

Hey #12, how about some pity for the victim? Or maybe more victims than we know?
Maybe, # 4, 7 and 12, you would like to send your children to him for private Bar Mtizvah lessons; after all, you seem so eager to protect him?
Let him take a leave of absence, and prove his innocence. If he is innocent, he should be restored to his job and the community should gather and show their faith is restored in him. But meanwhile, let him stay away.
The police do not make such arrests until they have interviewed the accuser at length and decided that there may be credibility to the story. Such arrests are not made based only upon a story that some child may have fabricated. He may be innocent, but the accusation must have sounded credible enough for the police to act.

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 Oct 01, 2008 at 09:39 PM Anonymous Says:

Pity shmity! For once pity the victim and his family. If we dont tackle this now it will get even worse. The rabbi's were warned ages ago to tackle this and yet......

This is left overs from last years cheshbon. I beleive this year WILL be better. This is one sign of improvement. We are finally cleaning house.

Just proves no segment of judaism can claim they dont have to deal with this massive problem.

20

 Oct 01, 2008 at 09:39 PM Anonymous Says:

Look up Hilchos L"H- When it comes to protecting youth ( or anyone for that matter) from harm it is not called L"H.THerefore it ok and 100% mutar to post a picture and let his name be known! Gmar Tov!

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 Oct 01, 2008 at 10:07 PM AnonymousRebbe Says:

If it is true then all efforts should be placed to stop him and to expose him. If it is not true then we are all doing a horrible aveirah. I hope everyone agrees with these two statements. Now the shailah is how do we find out whether it is true or not and what should we do in the meantime. I think that letting the investigation run its course is the best way to find out whether it is true or not since we are not qualified to do this. What should we do in the meantime? Chezkas kashrus, innocent until proven guilty etc. We are not allowed to believe it until it is proven but we should be choishaid - kabdaihu vechashdaihu.. Should his name be up? Probably not unless VIN checked out the story and verified that it happened. Did they do so? We do not know. Should we assume that they did since they have a chezkas kashrus? Lav davka..

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 Oct 01, 2008 at 10:07 PM albany resident Says:

Reply to #16  
anon Says:

since i'm not related 2 or know the alledged victim, i really feel bad 4 this guy & his family. What timing!!!

I know the victims and have no pity on weiss or his family. There were previous accusations and there are more children involved who he has not been tried for yet. He is a predator and a disgrace to klal yisroel not a "Rabbi"

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 Oct 01, 2008 at 10:05 PM PureTorah Says:

It is mamash loshon horah berabim. You don't know forsure and takeh, it efshar might not be the emes. Don't worry so much about the bochur right now, he'll be ok. His reputation isn't ruined. But the Rabbi's reputation - and his family's - is.
We have to first kler the matzav before being choshesh.

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 Oct 01, 2008 at 10:03 PM Anonymous Says:

He is innocent till proven guilty so nothing should be posted till after trial.

25

 Oct 01, 2008 at 10:03 PM Anonymous Says:

To all of you who jump with the accusations and are convinced of his guilt, let me ask you, maybe somebody is out to get him for personal reasons, & is using the easiest method possible to smear and ruin this person's life, which is exactly what he has done, regardless of the truthfulness or eventual outcome?

26

 Oct 01, 2008 at 10:01 PM Anonymous Says:

I dont know who he is, but his name does not appear on the international list of chabad rabbis (see www.chabad.org)

27

 Oct 01, 2008 at 10:00 PM ChaimRubin Says:

I'm not partial to shout loshan hora, you know me.
but it's the assares yemei tshvua, maybe we should err on the side of caution.

28

 Oct 01, 2008 at 09:59 PM Anonymous Says:

to all who says no lushan hura till after. Why don't you refrain from internet till after yomim noruim? Don't be frim cause of yom tov be frim all year round or don't read.

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 Oct 01, 2008 at 09:49 PM Anonymous Says:

Today at 09:22 PM mg Says:

He is innocent until proven guilty!!!!!

And so is OJ Simpson. Some guilty parties can never be "proven" guilty in a court of law. However the RS"O will get them and the victims, there is always more than one, will dance on their graves. I know I will dance on my molester's grave and will not grieve a moment when he is gone. I cannot "prove" his guilt in a court of law and will not try to but will not hesitate telling anyone that he is a molester. He is about 70 years old and last I heard was still at it last year in his former first grade classroom. Yes, he was fired.

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 Oct 01, 2008 at 09:44 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #16  
anon Says:

since i'm not related 2 or know the alledged victim, i really feel bad 4 this guy & his family. What timing!!!

So only victims you know deserve rachmanus???!!!

31

 Oct 01, 2008 at 09:41 PM omg Says:

omg i know this guy

32

 Oct 01, 2008 at 09:41 PM Policeman Says:

Innocent until proven guilty? It could take many months until the court sorts out what the real truth is. Meanwhile, the community shouldn't have to take any chances. Let him take a leave of absence.
What if he was accused of selling unkosher chicken? Would you still say 'innocent until proven guilty, meanwhile keep buying chickens from him'? You would close him down until the facts were proven.

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 Oct 01, 2008 at 09:40 PM Anonymous Says:

kol hamerachiam al ha'achzori...........

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 Oct 01, 2008 at 10:14 PM yoli Says:

Reply to #4  
emes Says:

I'd suggest that V.I.N. should refrain from publicizing this kind of (MENIFULES) news perminent......or atleast lill after the YUMIM NOIRURIM

I'd suggest that V.I.N. should refrain from publicizing this kind of (MENIFULES) news perminent......or atleast lill after the YUMIM NOIRURIM
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------we would suggest that u refrain from blogging such menifules new or at least wait until after YUMIM NOIRURIM

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 Oct 01, 2008 at 10:14 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

It is Motzei Rosh Hashona its Loshen Hara

motzei r.h. what are you doing on the internet

36

 Oct 01, 2008 at 10:42 PM Anonymous Says:

Wow , it does not take long for all these rabble rousers loshon horah nicks to creep out of the woodwork the second the Yom Hadin is over and post their ignorant sick twisted views. This IS loshon hora. Period. For someone to claim otherwise , he is a plain mushchis. I did not even read this story. I dont want to. I want to read the comments from achenu benei yisroel that were shokkling mi yichye and screaming avinu malkenu then go straight to the grind of things and have no regard for hashem. Why even bother with rosh hashana and teshuvah when you have all these self righteous idiots claiming they know best? Repent all of you idiots quickly b4 its too late

37

 Oct 01, 2008 at 10:48 PM Loshon Toiv Says:

He's out on the streets. It's a Mitzva L'Farseim: Harcheik MiSchochen Ro!

38

 Oct 01, 2008 at 10:57 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #36  
Anonymous Says:

Wow , it does not take long for all these rabble rousers loshon horah nicks to creep out of the woodwork the second the Yom Hadin is over and post their ignorant sick twisted views. This IS loshon hora. Period. For someone to claim otherwise , he is a plain mushchis. I did not even read this story. I dont want to. I want to read the comments from achenu benei yisroel that were shokkling mi yichye and screaming avinu malkenu then go straight to the grind of things and have no regard for hashem. Why even bother with rosh hashana and teshuvah when you have all these self righteous idiots claiming they know best? Repent all of you idiots quickly b4 its too late

Without the yelling and insults, can you answer those who are saying that with him being out on the street people should be warned of the accusation so they can act accordingly and protect their children from a possible danger? I'd like to hear both sides of the debate, please.

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 Oct 01, 2008 at 11:01 PM berl Says:

loshon hara is when it is true, so these big tzaddikim by screaming loshon hara are proclaiming this to be a true fact, untrue gossip is called Motzee shem ra
In any case where there is smoke there is usually fire, a melamed has to be beyond reproach and if he even did anything questionable he needs to be removed

40

 Oct 01, 2008 at 11:01 PM Anonymous Says:

There is no issue to post & make public something like this but only if he is found guilty, until then it is deffenite not just loshen horah, it is Motzi shaim Rah which yom kippur a person does not even have to forgive, so I truly believe that there is no Rav which would allow to post something like this before proven guilty!

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 Oct 01, 2008 at 11:14 PM DallasJew Says:

Is he or is he not a chabad rabbi - I mean one sanctioned and covered by normal chabad as 95% of the shluchim are i.e. merkos. Is he or is he not? I have no clue who this guy is. Who says he's chabad?
That said VIN thanks for the update - may be bad timing but my heart feels for these kids first and foremost.

42

 Oct 01, 2008 at 11:13 PM Anonymous Says:

Such a chutzpah! I know Rabbi Weiss and his beautiful family... To destroy someones life based on an accusation and yes right before Rosh Hashanah is so wrong.
Yes we want to keep our families and children safe from predators, but at what cost?? Any person with a grudge can call the cops and say that their sons teacher molested him, and bang! The teacher is arraigned, mug shot taken, photo in the press, and the poor guy and his whole families life is lost. They can never gain their respect back. Even if he is proven innocent it will follow him around forever...
May Hashem protect all those falsely accussed, and make this year the one where Moshiach comes and takes us out of this sick golus!!
Oh, and btw Rabbi Weiss' community and all who know him, support him 100%.

43

 Oct 01, 2008 at 11:10 PM Anonymous Says:

thank you vin for publishing his name as a public service for CHILDREN. Those of you who wish to protect Weiss, only G-d can protect anyone, but it's humanity's job to facilitate that.

44

 Oct 01, 2008 at 11:12 PM Spaced out BT Says:

Accusing those who report and publicise incidents of pedophilia of loshon hara is the worst kind of distortion of Jewish Law. I'm solidly with UOJ and the Jewish Awareness Center on this issue. Those who tolerate and enable pedophilia are as bad as those who actually commit the act.

45

 Oct 01, 2008 at 11:12 PM Anonymous Says:

And to think of all the baaei loshon harah who ruined Rav Finkels life with allegations that were never even proven.

46

 Oct 01, 2008 at 11:21 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #40  
Anonymous Says:

There is no issue to post & make public something like this but only if he is found guilty, until then it is deffenite not just loshen horah, it is Motzi shaim Rah which yom kippur a person does not even have to forgive, so I truly believe that there is no Rav which would allow to post something like this before proven guilty!

So your answer to those who say that the public should be warned of a possible danger so they can protect their kids now and not only when and if he is found guilty (remember, being found not - guilty in American courts only means that the accusation was not proven beyond a reasonable doub)? I can hear both sides of the arguement but I have yet to hear a ligical response to this objection to the idea of waiting until after a trial to reveal the accusation.

47

 Oct 01, 2008 at 11:18 PM mg Says:

Reply to #29  
Anonymous Says:

Today at 09:22 PM mg Says:

He is innocent until proven guilty!!!!!

And so is OJ Simpson. Some guilty parties can never be "proven" guilty in a court of law. However the RS"O will get them and the victims, there is always more than one, will dance on their graves. I know I will dance on my molester's grave and will not grieve a moment when he is gone. I cannot "prove" his guilt in a court of law and will not try to but will not hesitate telling anyone that he is a molester. He is about 70 years old and last I heard was still at it last year in his former first grade classroom. Yes, he was fired.

I will never understand the pain you are going through, and it would be chutzpah for me to suggest that I do. I apologize for the pain that my response has caused you. Convicted molesters should be shot or thrown in jail for life.

However, I will not believe this man is guilty until there is substantial evidence against him.

48

 Oct 01, 2008 at 11:28 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #42  
Anonymous Says:

Such a chutzpah! I know Rabbi Weiss and his beautiful family... To destroy someones life based on an accusation and yes right before Rosh Hashanah is so wrong.
Yes we want to keep our families and children safe from predators, but at what cost?? Any person with a grudge can call the cops and say that their sons teacher molested him, and bang! The teacher is arraigned, mug shot taken, photo in the press, and the poor guy and his whole families life is lost. They can never gain their respect back. Even if he is proven innocent it will follow him around forever...
May Hashem protect all those falsely accussed, and make this year the one where Moshiach comes and takes us out of this sick golus!!
Oh, and btw Rabbi Weiss' community and all who know him, support him 100%.

So are you suggesting that the public should not be informed of accusations of molestation unless and until the suspect is found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt and otherwise no one is entitled to know of the accusation and decide for themselves how to protect their children? I'm torn between both sides of this and I am looking for a logical answer to the problems raised by each side of the debate.

49

 Oct 01, 2008 at 11:36 PM Anonymous Says:

Innocent until proven guilty. As frum Jews, we should hope and pray that he is innocent. Let's not jump out at tzoros.

50

 Oct 01, 2008 at 11:39 PM lachshosh mibaya Says:

Since this is public information and could affect people in a serious way, it would seem to be mutar to publicize it with the stipulation that it is an unproven allegation.

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 Oct 01, 2008 at 11:47 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #49  
Anonymous Says:

Innocent until proven guilty. As frum Jews, we should hope and pray that he is innocent. Let's not jump out at tzoros.

But should that mean that parents should not be warned that there are these accusations? We'd all have a problem if I said 'the owner of ABC milk company has been selling regular milk as cholov yisroel but no one should tell anyone else until the trial is over' or 'It is forbidden to tell anyone that the owner of ABC company has been accused of putting rat poison in the baby food becuase it is lashon horah and there has not been a trial yet'.

How is this different? I hear the concern for the accused (if he is truly innocent) and for his family but how do you address the other side of this problem? Are we not responsible to protect each other and each other's children?

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 Oct 02, 2008 at 12:02 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #21  
AnonymousRebbe Says:

If it is true then all efforts should be placed to stop him and to expose him. If it is not true then we are all doing a horrible aveirah. I hope everyone agrees with these two statements. Now the shailah is how do we find out whether it is true or not and what should we do in the meantime. I think that letting the investigation run its course is the best way to find out whether it is true or not since we are not qualified to do this. What should we do in the meantime? Chezkas kashrus, innocent until proven guilty etc. We are not allowed to believe it until it is proven but we should be choishaid - kabdaihu vechashdaihu.. Should his name be up? Probably not unless VIN checked out the story and verified that it happened. Did they do so? We do not know. Should we assume that they did since they have a chezkas kashrus? Lav davka..

If you got dirty you played with dirt! He wasn't cought just becouse of a nightmare...

53

 Oct 02, 2008 at 12:19 AM SURVIVOR Says:

Reply to #23  
PureTorah Says:

It is mamash loshon horah berabim. You don't know forsure and takeh, it efshar might not be the emes. Don't worry so much about the bochur right now, he'll be ok. His reputation isn't ruined. But the Rabbi's reputation - and his family's - is.
We have to first kler the matzav before being choshesh.

How do you know that the bochor is ok?! I feel like shaking you up and put some sense in you. But I think its going to be a waste of my energy. Some people dont want to or simply wont understand this untill it hits them in the face.

54

 Oct 02, 2008 at 12:28 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #36  
Anonymous Says:

Wow , it does not take long for all these rabble rousers loshon horah nicks to creep out of the woodwork the second the Yom Hadin is over and post their ignorant sick twisted views. This IS loshon hora. Period. For someone to claim otherwise , he is a plain mushchis. I did not even read this story. I dont want to. I want to read the comments from achenu benei yisroel that were shokkling mi yichye and screaming avinu malkenu then go straight to the grind of things and have no regard for hashem. Why even bother with rosh hashana and teshuvah when you have all these self righteous idiots claiming they know best? Repent all of you idiots quickly b4 its too late

Where did you get the fact that it IS loshon hora?! Did you ask a dayan? Or maybe are you one? Dont you think the Shechina is crying for all the lost neshomes that are a korbon to molestation? How could you ignore this cry?! Loshon hora does not exist when you are protecting neshomes. Yes NESHOMES!!! We do have rabbonim that paskent that it is not loshon hora. Check it out. Get educated.

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 Oct 02, 2008 at 12:35 AM sechel hayoshor Says:

well i read all responses, not 1 has a daas torah, shouldnt 1 blogger ask a shaila and then we'll all know the answer, its a very tuff situation, to ruin some 1's life like this, but also very important to save our children, so i think the sechel hayosor is, to ask a shaila, and then all bloggers including VIN should go by daas torah

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 Oct 02, 2008 at 02:53 AM Frame up Says:

I heard that somebody local is out to get him after they got into a dispute over a money, and that person is behind this.

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 Oct 02, 2008 at 02:33 AM Eli Says:

Reply to #23  
PureTorah Says:

It is mamash loshon horah berabim. You don't know forsure and takeh, it efshar might not be the emes. Don't worry so much about the bochur right now, he'll be ok. His reputation isn't ruined. But the Rabbi's reputation - and his family's - is.
We have to first kler the matzav before being choshesh.

I will not comment on the Lashon Harah aspect, as I do not pretend to be a rabbinic authority. However, as a therapist who has worked with victims of sexual abuse, let me assure you that you flippant remark about the "bachur" is completely off base. Many sexual abuse victims suffer deep psychological scars and a number have committed suicide following thier abuse. Again, I am not commenting on the loshon hara aspect, but do not dismiss so lightly the possible suffering of this child.

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 Oct 02, 2008 at 06:02 AM Anonymous Says:

It is an obligation to publicize this, so parents can protect their children.
Denial doesn't help anyone.

59

 Oct 02, 2008 at 10:33 AM Anonymous Says:

Thank you for taking away his last name as you have done to others in such a story. This news is really big..............it can also be that someone is ruining his name.........in such a case its hard to get your good name back.
good you took off is picture either way......... Bsuros Tovos, Y

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 Oct 02, 2008 at 11:02 AM Guys Says:

Guys dont jump to conclusions ..He was charged based on a alegation , A complaint that was filed against him. Now comes the trial part or the investigation part . He might be innocent. Thats how the system works ..He might be a zadick , HE might be a rosho. Just hold you horses and wait till things clear up. In short anyone can get arrested based on a complain , being arrested does not mean being guilty.

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 Oct 02, 2008 at 10:51 AM yiddishe bubby Says:

it is important to get information like this out. Now because more people are willing to expose these sick people we may finally be able to have some handle on this horrible situation that has plagued us for years. Yes, his name should not be mentioned until he is either proven guilty or the charges are proven false, but if he is proven guilty his name should be published. maybe then we can not only start to stop this but to give the victims a chance to heal, to recognize how horrible the situation is for them

62

 Oct 02, 2008 at 11:18 AM sechel hayoshor Says:

# 58 do u represent daas torah ? or did u post this after u asked a rav?

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 Oct 02, 2008 at 12:02 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #26  
Anonymous Says:

I dont know who he is, but his name does not appear on the international list of chabad rabbis (see www.chabad.org)

thanks for the correction chabbad is doing fantastic work this should not besmirch the dedicated and productive individuals (i'm not lubavitch)

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 Oct 02, 2008 at 11:47 AM proceed with caution Says:

Apparently, this charge is based on the fact that he gave the kid a neck massage.

The childs family did not file the complaint. Someone overheard the kid talking about the neck massage and anonymously informed child protective services.

I heard there is someone out to get him after a financial dispute.

Proceed with caution. Smells like a set up to me.

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 Oct 02, 2008 at 12:35 PM to 64 Says:

In this day and age, a "neck massage" IS way out of line ! Theres no reason for a rebbi to give a child a massage, he is a rebbi, not a chiropractor

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 Oct 02, 2008 at 01:58 PM BY The Way Says:

The alleged abuse was a massage on their back and neck.

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 Oct 02, 2008 at 02:41 PM formely Says:

Reply to #64  
proceed with caution Says:

Apparently, this charge is based on the fact that he gave the kid a neck massage.

The childs family did not file the complaint. Someone overheard the kid talking about the neck massage and anonymously informed child protective services.

I heard there is someone out to get him after a financial dispute.

Proceed with caution. Smells like a set up to me.

please, one does not get arrested for giving someone a neck massage
even if it may be inappropriate. They may be warned, suspened for a day but that is it.

It does say in the article sexual contact, massaging someones neck is not sexual contact.

For all those who scream Loshan Hora, you know that is bull.

1. If there is any question of a store selling colov stam instead of colov yisreal, it would be posted all over so no one should eat there,
why is that not loshem hora.
2. Sometimes there are competing issues, like in this case, post his name, however he may be innocent. Don't post his name and maybe he will go somewhere else and molest another kid. I would say the lesser of two evils is protecting the children. If one was accused falsely with good pr, and a full and strong posting by VIN that he is innocent, may get him back his good name.
However, if he molests another kid, that soul is lost and maybe will never recover.

I know many do not want to believe these accusation and make things up like, someone is out to get him, without any evidence or scream Loshen Hora. Both of these are a defense mechanism, since they some cannot comprehend a frum Jew doing this, or simply this does not happen to Torah Jews

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 Oct 02, 2008 at 03:00 PM formaly Says:

I do give credit to vin for posting it up in the first place, he knew that there was going to be a backlash against him, but did it anyway.

I guess whoever, likes to keep this is

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 Oct 02, 2008 at 03:25 PM Finally he is expose for who he is! B"H Says:

I am a member of his community and I do NOT support him. It is true that in the US court system you are innocent until proven guilty. BUT, accourding to halacha, Jewish Law, does anyone remember the Isha Sotah??!!?? Clearly, this "Shaliach" of Lewd-onville put himself in a situation where he could be accused of such behavior. And what is a Rabbi/Rebbe doing giving other boys neck messages at the Mikvah? And it was NOT only "neck messages." I personally know these people and this two-legged RAT- there is no vendetta regarding money, these families have been upstanding members of the community and their children's lives have been ruined by Chester the Molester!!!! Dont go saying that it is Loshon Hora, go protect your children!! He is a psychopath who believes according to his words, this is a Maaseh Soton and believes he will be able to continue his work, ( I guess molesting children), with even more devotion after this is over. May it be the will of HKB"H that he is judge according to his filfthy actions!

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 Oct 02, 2008 at 05:39 PM Something tells me... Says:

Reply to #69  
Finally he is expose for who he is! B"H Says:

I am a member of his community and I do NOT support him. It is true that in the US court system you are innocent until proven guilty. BUT, accourding to halacha, Jewish Law, does anyone remember the Isha Sotah??!!?? Clearly, this "Shaliach" of Lewd-onville put himself in a situation where he could be accused of such behavior. And what is a Rabbi/Rebbe doing giving other boys neck messages at the Mikvah? And it was NOT only "neck messages." I personally know these people and this two-legged RAT- there is no vendetta regarding money, these families have been upstanding members of the community and their children's lives have been ruined by Chester the Molester!!!! Dont go saying that it is Loshon Hora, go protect your children!! He is a psychopath who believes according to his words, this is a Maaseh Soton and believes he will be able to continue his work, ( I guess molesting children), with even more devotion after this is over. May it be the will of HKB"H that he is judge according to his filfthy actions!

Judging from the way your comment is written, it sure sounds like you have a personal issue with this guy. I also happen to know this guy, very well actually, and he is far, far, far from a two-legged rat as you put it. If anything he is a kind soul and an aidele person and I never noticed any suspicious conduct what-so-ever when when there were kids around him. Please, keep your personal issues to yourself and don't post 'em all over the web thereby destroying an innocent persons life -as long as he hasn't been proven guilty - forever!

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 Oct 02, 2008 at 06:01 PM ploni Says:

wondering what the child had to gain by not telling the truth?
i see adults being more of molesters than children making up these stories. protect the child, not the adult...

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 Oct 02, 2008 at 06:40 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #69  
Finally he is expose for who he is! B"H Says:

I am a member of his community and I do NOT support him. It is true that in the US court system you are innocent until proven guilty. BUT, accourding to halacha, Jewish Law, does anyone remember the Isha Sotah??!!?? Clearly, this "Shaliach" of Lewd-onville put himself in a situation where he could be accused of such behavior. And what is a Rabbi/Rebbe doing giving other boys neck messages at the Mikvah? And it was NOT only "neck messages." I personally know these people and this two-legged RAT- there is no vendetta regarding money, these families have been upstanding members of the community and their children's lives have been ruined by Chester the Molester!!!! Dont go saying that it is Loshon Hora, go protect your children!! He is a psychopath who believes according to his words, this is a Maaseh Soton and believes he will be able to continue his work, ( I guess molesting children), with even more devotion after this is over. May it be the will of HKB"H that he is judge according to his filfthy actions!

It seems that everyone is so inspired by Rosh Hashana and the Aseres Yemei Teshuvah and are quick to make up excuses for this "Rabbi". Do not have misplaced compassion! the Police were investigating this story for months, they wouldn't be wasting their time arresting this guy unless they had substantial evidence to have him arraigned as is in this case.

73

 Oct 02, 2008 at 07:17 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #70  
Something tells me... Says:

Judging from the way your comment is written, it sure sounds like you have a personal issue with this guy. I also happen to know this guy, very well actually, and he is far, far, far from a two-legged rat as you put it. If anything he is a kind soul and an aidele person and I never noticed any suspicious conduct what-so-ever when when there were kids around him. Please, keep your personal issues to yourself and don't post 'em all over the web thereby destroying an innocent persons life -as long as he hasn't been proven guilty - forever!

Let us not judge him either way.
Please know, however, for the sake of your children, that a molester operates in secrecy---just because someone behaves well in front of adults does not mean that he behaves the same way when alone with a child.

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 Oct 02, 2008 at 07:24 PM teacher Says:

Reply to #65  
to 64 Says:

In this day and age, a "neck massage" IS way out of line ! Theres no reason for a rebbi to give a child a massage, he is a rebbi, not a chiropractor

Congratulate your student with a pat on the back - you're a child molester.
I'm sorry, it is way out of hand. The whole way of going about this is corrupt.
This is definitely motzei shem ra. (we obviously do not have enough info to make conclusions, just remember how much power we are giving to kids by stirring this up this way)

75

 Oct 02, 2008 at 07:42 PM Finally, exposed for who he is! Says:

Reply to #70  
Something tells me... Says:

Judging from the way your comment is written, it sure sounds like you have a personal issue with this guy. I also happen to know this guy, very well actually, and he is far, far, far from a two-legged rat as you put it. If anything he is a kind soul and an aidele person and I never noticed any suspicious conduct what-so-ever when when there were kids around him. Please, keep your personal issues to yourself and don't post 'em all over the web thereby destroying an innocent persons life -as long as he hasn't been proven guilty - forever!

Look, of course I have something against this "gguy." I ave young children whom I want to protect from predators. Sure, he gives an impression of a "kind soul or an aidele person." Of course, YOU never saw anything in him... He is not stupid. These people are professionals and slowly work their way by being in their positions of trust or a person who cares for them. Then, the victim does not want harm to befall the predator. And sure things were not done out in the open. The Lubavitcher Rebbe once met with a man and asked him whats going on? I heard there are allegations you were with another woman {than his wife}. The man denied the allegations, but the Rebbe went on that it was the fact that you are be accused of this that is the problem. So again, he put himself in this, he dug the hole himself...
Dont have pity for him, have it for the victims and the Jewish community who has to deal with this Chilul HaShem going on.
I wonder which one of these poster is actually Yaakov?

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 Oct 02, 2008 at 08:23 PM jordansw Says:

(cont) The number of people involved in the alleged plot against the alleged perpetrator--at least six people (two victims and four parents)--shluchim and non-shluchim, people committed to Torah values, makes it highly unlikely. Who would put their kids through such an ordeal if it was untrue? They would have to be disgusting people, true socio-paths incapable of emotional attachment, caring not at all for their kids or other people. Thus, either this is a collection of truly wicked people who managed to fool the rest of the people in their community for decades, or he did it. It is always possible two or more thirteen year old boys are totally confused about the interaction with him that they define as sexual assault, but given that today everyone is so aware this explanation too succumbs to Occum’s Razor.

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 Oct 02, 2008 at 08:22 PM jordansw Says:

Also, the DA is unlikely to pursue cases of back massages as sexual exploitation and abuse, except if maybe it was a case of a naked child at the side of a mikvah. We should keep in mind the DA has a win-loss ratio s/he must maintain to further his/her professional career. DAs don't want to lose and lower their ratio of wins to losses, and pursuing back massages as sexual abuse cases seems like an unlikely waste of scarce judicial resources given the loose connection. More likely, the commenter in Post 65 is the alleged perpetrator or a friend of the alleged perpetrator seeking to use the technique of manipulation through the power of suggestion.

Fourth, Occam's Razor applies. To reject the allegations as being grounded in a financial dispute implies that several Chabad families in the greater Albany region have joined together to perpetrate a plot of perversity and wickedness, to ruin a person's individual existence and family life. From my perspective, it takes fewer steps to believe he is guilty than it does to believe that several Chabad families organized a plot to ruin him and successfully sustained their collaborative effort over a period of several months, since this case has been percolating for months.

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 Oct 02, 2008 at 08:21 PM jordansw Says:

First, about the name business. It's in the public record and easily Googleable. All one needs to do is type a sequence of Chabad, Albany, and sexual, and the newspaper story immediately appears. Many newspapers print the police blotter, which contains the names of individuals arrested for offenses against the law. Otherwise, this blotter is available to the general public upon request. Therefore, this information is not secret.

Second, even though the paper only reported on the allegations of a single individual, there is allegedly at least one additional accuser.

Third, in response to the hidden claim in Post 65 that the allegations are unfounded because the case arises out of a third party call to Child Protective Services, we should keep in mind that the DA would never pursue such a case without the interest of the victim or the victim's family. The victim needs to be willing to press charges, particularly since the victim is the primary source of evidence. The DA may legally be capable of pursuing it on his or her own initiative, but as a matter of routine judicial processes would almost never do so; compelling the victim to testify in such a case would be highly unusual.

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 Oct 02, 2008 at 10:31 PM Anonymous Says:

I am effected by this locally.

It is not loshon hara to protect other yidden, especially children, from harm such as this. These children could not have made up what happenned to them (yes, more than 1). Daven that all these hurting neshomas get the help they need. The criminal from his sickness, and the victims from what they must suffer as a result of this.

A whisper of an accusation can start an investigation, but charges only come when there is enough to make a substantial case for it.

80

 Oct 03, 2008 at 10:27 AM Shliach Says:

# 75 Notwithstanding if I agree or disagree with your comment, your "Rebbe story" sounds made up. The Rebbe did not speak to people that way publicly and if you will tell me that it was private, why on earth would anyone repeat a story like that abourt himself?? Very, very questionable, which in turn makes your other comments questionable as well.
Gmar Chasima Tova,
RMB

81

 Oct 03, 2008 at 11:05 AM Just wondering Says:

Did anyone do research on Y? Wasn't there a previous allegation that was not pursued in a different location???
One time I can believe the story is made up or it is over money.
But a second time from more than one person with possibly more to be determined, according to the police detective, seems unlikely to be made up.

82

 Oct 05, 2008 at 05:19 AM Anonymous Says:

Send him to Jerusalem where an Orthodox decency squad can administer its usual treatment.

83

 Oct 05, 2008 at 11:30 AM Convinced Says:

Reply to #42  
Anonymous Says:

Such a chutzpah! I know Rabbi Weiss and his beautiful family... To destroy someones life based on an accusation and yes right before Rosh Hashanah is so wrong.
Yes we want to keep our families and children safe from predators, but at what cost?? Any person with a grudge can call the cops and say that their sons teacher molested him, and bang! The teacher is arraigned, mug shot taken, photo in the press, and the poor guy and his whole families life is lost. They can never gain their respect back. Even if he is proven innocent it will follow him around forever...
May Hashem protect all those falsely accussed, and make this year the one where Moshiach comes and takes us out of this sick golus!!
Oh, and btw Rabbi Weiss' community and all who know him, support him 100%.

Pleeeeeeze....
The police have been researching this for months-- another victim is coming forward....0 percent of these cases are "made up."

I am just feeling very badly for his wife, whom the perp has no doubt told that he is innocent, its a frame up, etc. Hopefully she will have the support of her family....whom I am sure also knew about this previously.

84

 Oct 05, 2008 at 03:46 PM Go home, you mama's calling!! Says:

Reply to #42  
Anonymous Says:

Such a chutzpah! I know Rabbi Weiss and his beautiful family... To destroy someones life based on an accusation and yes right before Rosh Hashanah is so wrong.
Yes we want to keep our families and children safe from predators, but at what cost?? Any person with a grudge can call the cops and say that their sons teacher molested him, and bang! The teacher is arraigned, mug shot taken, photo in the press, and the poor guy and his whole families life is lost. They can never gain their respect back. Even if he is proven innocent it will follow him around forever...
May Hashem protect all those falsely accussed, and make this year the one where Moshiach comes and takes us out of this sick golus!!
Oh, and btw Rabbi Weiss' community and all who know him, support him 100%.

Yaakov, by now, your bubble should have burst!
It's all over. The charges have come out and there are more to come, just as #83 said. Soon enough your "supportive" community will realize all the lies you've been telling them and then what are you going to do?
As for #82 I am sure that punishment can be arranged here in the states as well...

85

 Oct 05, 2008 at 03:57 PM are you ok? Says:

Reply to #70  
Something tells me... Says:

Judging from the way your comment is written, it sure sounds like you have a personal issue with this guy. I also happen to know this guy, very well actually, and he is far, far, far from a two-legged rat as you put it. If anything he is a kind soul and an aidele person and I never noticed any suspicious conduct what-so-ever when when there were kids around him. Please, keep your personal issues to yourself and don't post 'em all over the web thereby destroying an innocent persons life -as long as he hasn't been proven guilty - forever!

he may be an aidele yid and obviously you never noticed suspicious behaviour. This guy could be great and everything you make him out to be but HE'S UNFORTUNATELY VERY SICK! It's very sad that this had to happen, but these molesters are very smart and their whole life is engulfed by trying to work out situations where they can attack. they don't act suspicious in front of people!!! That was not such a wise remark.

86

 Oct 05, 2008 at 04:03 PM very very smart Says:

Reply to #75  
Finally, exposed for who he is! Says:

Look, of course I have something against this "gguy." I ave young children whom I want to protect from predators. Sure, he gives an impression of a "kind soul or an aidele person." Of course, YOU never saw anything in him... He is not stupid. These people are professionals and slowly work their way by being in their positions of trust or a person who cares for them. Then, the victim does not want harm to befall the predator. And sure things were not done out in the open. The Lubavitcher Rebbe once met with a man and asked him whats going on? I heard there are allegations you were with another woman {than his wife}. The man denied the allegations, but the Rebbe went on that it was the fact that you are be accused of this that is the problem. So again, he put himself in this, he dug the hole himself...
Dont have pity for him, have it for the victims and the Jewish community who has to deal with this Chilul HaShem going on.
I wonder which one of these poster is actually Yaakov?

Your comment is very correct. child molesters are smart and work very secretly. SPEAK TO ANY THERAPIST OR LOOK UP IN BOOKS OR ONLINE! He has been creating these situations and working his way up in trust for a very long time. he was hoping this would get washed under the carpet and soon forgotten about like all the other stories taht ahppen in a frum community. everyone is so busy working to protect people's names and meanwhile 100's of children are getting ruined! wake up people!!!!!! face reality, don't be stupid and wait till happens to one of your own!

87

 Oct 05, 2008 at 06:11 PM Anonymous Says:

so sad when a head honcho with a power problem spreads rumors to hurt innocent teachers.

88

 Oct 05, 2008 at 06:20 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #87  
Anonymous Says:

so sad when a head honcho with a power problem spreads rumors to hurt innocent teachers.

It is sad when THAT happens, but THAT is not what has happenned here.

Anything else to add, Y?

89

 Oct 06, 2008 at 10:58 AM More news to come... Says:

"THAT" definitely has not happened here...
The head honcho may have power problems, but "Y'" you are the one with "head" problems and you certainly are not the innocent teacher!!
Stop spreading your lies!

90

 Oct 07, 2008 at 10:24 AM Anonymous Says:

Rabbi Weiss is a man with a big heart and great spirit. He has done some incredibly good things in the Albany Community. Anybody who knows him well knows that these accusations could NOT be true. It saddens and angers me to think that perhaps jealousy or an ulterior motive could play a part in this. I know he will be found innocent but so much damage has been done in the process. I hope that you bloggers will then spend as much time writing about his accomplishment and outstanding character.
I wish the Rabbi & his family the strength to fight these accusations and reclaim his good name. I personally want to thank the Rabbi for being such an inspiration. it would take pages to write about all the good he has done.

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 Oct 07, 2008 at 11:49 AM Anonymous Says:

Oh, what about countless other sickos who also demonstrated great accomplishments and actions demonstrative of "outstanding character" to the world?

That is NO litmus test for sickos like this.

These boys have nothing to gain but embarassment (you don't think this won't follow them into shidduchim that they've been abused? or to their siblings also?)

What do the other shluchim have to gain by exposing a chillul Hashem / chillul Lubavitch like this?

How many other religious leaders have duped their communities into believing how holy and upstanding and trustworthy they could be?

What would you do if it were YOUR children? ("No, it CAN'T be true. He's too nice/'holy'/'special', and you're just my kid with all your faults!")

Yes, we all pray that emes is revealed, but it's even sicker to think these boys would lie.

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 Oct 07, 2008 at 03:27 PM Albany Resident Says:

Reply to #91  
Anonymous Says:

Oh, what about countless other sickos who also demonstrated great accomplishments and actions demonstrative of "outstanding character" to the world?

That is NO litmus test for sickos like this.

These boys have nothing to gain but embarassment (you don't think this won't follow them into shidduchim that they've been abused? or to their siblings also?)

What do the other shluchim have to gain by exposing a chillul Hashem / chillul Lubavitch like this?

How many other religious leaders have duped their communities into believing how holy and upstanding and trustworthy they could be?

What would you do if it were YOUR children? ("No, it CAN'T be true. He's too nice/'holy'/'special', and you're just my kid with all your faults!")

Yes, we all pray that emes is revealed, but it's even sicker to think these boys would lie.

Finally a voice of reason! Thank you!
We'll just watch the news, case and see...
Yom Hadin... Literally?

93

 Oct 07, 2008 at 10:55 PM Anonymous Says:

It is very scary if these accusations are true (many have been fooled if so). It is very sad if they are not true. While I have had dinner many times at their home and learned from the rabbi, these allegations and fighting among the local frum community are enough to send me away from Chabad and into the arms of my local Conservative Synagogue (where I have paid my dues for over 25 years). I have tried to become more Observant but not in Colonie. I have to protect my child even if it means leaving a teacher (Rabbi) who exposed me to the beauty of Judaism in a joyful way. If he is guilty (heaven forbid) we have lost a great asset in our community. If he is innocent it is an even bigger SHONDA!

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 Oct 11, 2008 at 11:38 PM RAK Ani Says:

Reply to #90  
Anonymous Says:

Rabbi Weiss is a man with a big heart and great spirit. He has done some incredibly good things in the Albany Community. Anybody who knows him well knows that these accusations could NOT be true. It saddens and angers me to think that perhaps jealousy or an ulterior motive could play a part in this. I know he will be found innocent but so much damage has been done in the process. I hope that you bloggers will then spend as much time writing about his accomplishment and outstanding character.
I wish the Rabbi & his family the strength to fight these accusations and reclaim his good name. I personally want to thank the Rabbi for being such an inspiration. it would take pages to write about all the good he has done.

I am a member of the Albany Jewish Community, and this has been a heat breaking on-going situation. I have seen so many people effected/affected by this case on so many levels.
#90- "Rabbi Weiss" came to our community with a big heart and great spirit... True but it seems as though there is something just "not right" there. It saddens and angers me as well to think that this type of behavior is possible from someone who has the title of Rabbi. I am not just talking about the behavior of the accusations; I am talking about the behavior preceeding and surrounding the publicity- all of the lies, threats and sinas chinam between individuals taking sides b/c this is all "100% untrue." Perhaps, there is jealousy and/or ulterior motives on both sides, but that CANNOT justify the DA's in his eyes there is sufficient proof for him to go through with the case. This is not just a tall-tale made up to get back at R' Weiss. There is no benefit for the victims to come out.
You speak of the great character of R' Weiss. Do you know the character and potential of each of the victims?? Do you know the unimaginable damage sexual abuse does to a person: the shame and blame, living with it for the rest of their life, etc? I could write pages of the good these boys have done, too.
But none of this changes the case.
You wish the Weiss' strength to fight these accusations....
R' Weiss- Real strength would have meant acting like an honorable man; leave innocent children alone and GET HELP!
I pray for the refuah sheleima karovah to the victims, their families and the community. For the strength to rise above this horrific phase in theirs lives and be men of honor, courage, yireh shomayim and pride!

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