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Brooklyn, NY - Borough Park Residents Are Suing to Prevent Construction of an 8-story Apartment Complex |
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Oct 02, 2008 at 10:23 AM
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Joseph Stern says his neighborhood needs more housing â but he contends a planned 179-unit building will flood the area with traffic.
The developer contends he’s following the law. Local residents acknowledge the need for more housing in the neighborhood, which has the city’s highest birthrate. But they argue that plans to include a bank and a 259-space public parking garage in the Dahill Road complex will add to traffic congestion in the neighborhood.
This project has recently been embroiled into a feuded argument at the recent primary elections, where some residents have claimed that Councilman Simcha Felder betrayed them because he voted to approve this project, and others said that Simcha was trying to help the community get affordable housing.
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Oct 02, 2008 at 11:26 AM Anonymous Says:
crazy..........
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Oct 02, 2008 at 11:35 AM Anonymous Says:
“ crazy.......... ”
Why crazy do you want a goyish 8 story building in your backyard? This building will ruin the whole naighberhood
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Oct 02, 2008 at 11:32 AM Anonymous Says:
Go yossi go!!!!
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Oct 02, 2008 at 11:57 AM Anonymous Says:
Guys, get this in your head - you are in goolis and neither your 'backyard' nor your
streets are yours. Why are you fighting about something that won't last. Check out your history.
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Oct 02, 2008 at 11:51 AM Anonymous Says:
“ crazy.......... ”
you should be ashamed to call it crazy.....we have enough traffic from ShopRite for which we get nothing in return.....
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Oct 02, 2008 at 11:49 AM Anonymous Says:
he has a good point.........who needs more traffic we need more apt. but not more traffic which is unsafe to our kids.....look at the asthma rate in Williamsburg.... which everyone says is due to the traffic....... 50th street will become I highway since this development has no road access to it....and they will be using 50th street as the exit point.....
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Oct 02, 2008 at 11:45 AM a poshiter yid Says:
Anonymous Says: Reply to #1 Show Quote
Anonymous Says:
“ crazy.......... ”
Why crazy do you want a goyish 8 story building in your backyard? This building will ruin the whole naighberhood
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i dont want an 8 story building in my area but i also dont want these montrous looking shhuls on every block and i dont want wedding halls in every nook and cranny taking up parking spots . so its all or nothing . You choose.
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Oct 02, 2008 at 11:42 AM Anonymous Says:
Councilman Simcha Felder betrayed them because he voted to approve this project. Not only did he vote for it but I was at the meeting and he said that he was personly going to see that it should go up. CHUTSPA
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Oct 02, 2008 at 11:41 AM AuthenticSatmar Says:
On what basis are the neighbors suing? If the developer followed the law, then a suit is nothing more than a stall tactic.
While no one likes such a project in their backyard, times and neighborhoods change. Live with it.
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Oct 02, 2008 at 12:17 PM Anonymous Says:
the developers are the same who build the infamous Gretsch building in Willy which brought in the lowest type of people. The developers are just looking to make money not helping the community.
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Oct 02, 2008 at 12:41 PM Anonymous Says:
yossi we go for you , your freinds from rodneygo yossi go
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Oct 02, 2008 at 12:28 PM Anonymous Says:
wonder why so many willy ppl came to hearing there plenty housing going up there any one want to guess? how about you Mr felder think u can think of the reason?
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Oct 02, 2008 at 12:25 PM Anonymous Says:
i live next to the gretch nothing wrong you dont hear a loud word word from them
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Oct 02, 2008 at 12:22 PM Anonymous Says:
developer claimed at hearing his children had to nebech move to Lakewood because they couldn't find housing real honest guy and Felder supported this BS
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Oct 02, 2008 at 12:55 PM Anonymous Says:
Just another bunch of "Not in MY backyard"ers......
If your looking for a park in your backyard Brooklyn is not the place to live.
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Oct 02, 2008 at 12:54 PM Anonymous Says:
“ i live next to the gretch nothing wrong you dont hear a loud word word from them ”
well I don't want my children around ppl who where bathing suits in public.
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Oct 02, 2008 at 12:54 PM Anonymous Says:
isn't this apartment building going to be for yidden though? large families need space and the only way to provide it is to build these monstrosities.
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Oct 02, 2008 at 12:51 PM Anonymous Says:
“ i live next to the gretch nothing wrong you dont hear a loud word word from them ”
you are such a liar.........the have no window shades.....I leave directly across the street I'm looking to sell my apartment and move to new Williamsburg since I can't even let me kids look out the front window....since they will see very bad examples.....
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Oct 02, 2008 at 12:48 PM Anonymous Says:
“ yossi we go for you , your freinds from rodneygo yossi go ”
Friends from Rodney or Hooper ??
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Oct 02, 2008 at 12:42 PM Yamamai Says:
Maybe it'll slightly bring down the prices of some nearby condo's, and help us Yidelech purchase some homes for ourselves.
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Oct 02, 2008 at 01:06 PM Anonymous Says:
“ isn't this apartment building going to be for yidden though? large families need space and the only way to provide it is to build these monstrosities. ”
no yiden will move into an eight story on top of a motel and stores. The hotel is bad news
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Oct 02, 2008 at 01:01 PM Anonymous Says:
The main problem is not the traffic that 179 apt. The problem is that its a landlocked piece of property with no access point for school buses so all busses will have to wait on 50TH street to pick up the kids can you imagine @ 8:30am what gridlock there will be to get to Flatbush? But what can we do Felder needs campaign contributions
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Oct 02, 2008 at 01:17 PM McCain- Palin 08 Says:
What a sham.
I think that 50th streets residence have every right to go up against this project just like any other neighborhood have rights.
We have a court for a reason!
BP is a unique place with no place to expand, for a developer to come in and bring their garbage into the area well he has every right so do the residence in the neighborhood have the right to oppose it by court of law.
I dont know what simcha Felder said or did not!
All I can say is that maybe he tried but wasen't successful at it..........
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Oct 02, 2008 at 01:14 PM Anonymous Says:
This apartment building is not being built for yidden. It is 8 stories high they are either 1 or two bedroom apartments. This builder is only interested in amking money he has no intrest in making more apartments available for the yidden in Boro Park The builder does not live in this area and he has Reb Simcha in his back pocket. Ask all the people who live in the area who own homes there people with large families who spent hard earned mony to buy these homes this building will destroy the neighborhood and the builder and his friend could not care less.
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Oct 02, 2008 at 01:29 PM Anonymous Says:
I live next to a gretch, no prob. at least their part of the block is clean no heimish trash.
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Oct 02, 2008 at 01:28 PM Anonymous Says:
“ wonder why so many willy ppl came to hearing there plenty housing going up there any one want to guess? how about you Mr felder think u can think of the reason? ”
well known secret fliers where handed out in willi kollelim offering $$$ to come and show support for developer and Felder
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Oct 02, 2008 at 02:09 PM Take it from me Says:
Of course if I lived in that area I would not want amother 200 units built! nobody likes congestion! but face the facts! we live in NYC it's a congested area and it will keep on getting even more congested! If you don't like it. (and I don't) stay in the catskills all year!
Does anybody know for sure that he will not sell it to Yiden? any proff to this claim?
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Oct 02, 2008 at 01:59 PM Horrified in BP Says:
This is the first I'm hearing about this. I live on the other end of Boro Park but know what a hassle the congestion in that area is. I don't understand how this came to be. It's terrible. And what do we need yet ANOTHER bank for? What can I do to help?
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Oct 02, 2008 at 02:29 PM Anonymous Says:
“ This is the first I'm hearing about this. I live on the other end of Boro Park but know what a hassle the congestion in that area is. I don't understand how this came to be. It's terrible. And what do we need yet ANOTHER bank for? What can I do to help? ”
You can contribute to 50Th street neighborhood association 1915 50th street Brooklyn NY 11204 so far this lawsuit has cost around $ 70,000. Any amount will be greatly appreciated
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Oct 02, 2008 at 02:25 PM Anonymous Says:
The problem with this whole project is that everyone involved lied from the get go Felder,wydra & Brach.instead of coming to the community (as CB12 recommended) and addressing the concerns there would not be a law suit but when they asked for a through street for emergency veichles & all other traffic they didn't want to listen when we asked for a restrictive deed to guaretee that they will build only apts. Suitable for our community 4-5 bedroom apts they ignored instead gave that to UTA that would not enforce it so let's hope the Judge teaches them a lesson
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Oct 02, 2008 at 02:52 PM sinas chinum Says:
Vos vet zein mit the dirus? There are no apartmants in BP . Young newlyweds have no place to live. And these guys are busy with traffic non sense....OK Demand that anyone who buys there should only have a Bus pass...I bet you you will sell all out its that desperate. We need every and each additional unit in the community
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Oct 02, 2008 at 02:59 PM mike Says:
I truly believe Simcha Felder was not honest on this issue or he didn't want to backtrack on a major mistake. This particular project is flawed. I my self need five apartments for my married children, but this project as is, is not the answer to our problem especially when you hurt so many neighbors. Al tho i myself live two blocks away from this project it will not personally affect me as i have a driveway. I myself would like to see some more commercial space in Boro Park rezoned to residential to help our problem.
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Oct 02, 2008 at 03:05 PM Dave Says:
So, if people don't want Jewish organizations to get variances for zoning, that's anti-semitism.
But if Jews don't want a building going up, that is just taking care of the character of the neighborhood?
If there are objections to a camp having bright lights and loud noises in a rural area, that's anti-Semitism (if it's a Jewish camp). But objections that a private builder isn't building 4-5 bedroom apartments are all about the neighborhood values.
Someone want to explain the logic to me here?
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Oct 02, 2008 at 03:13 PM Anonymous Says:
“ no yiden will move into an eight story on top of a motel and stores. The hotel is bad news ”
Where did it say that there is going to be a hotel/motel and stores?
Read and watch the video clip.
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Oct 02, 2008 at 03:12 PM JoeFlix Says:
Its a simple fact that the reason this massive project was approved was cause Simcha Felder supported it and hes a good friend of the mayor.
Now, THIS IS NOT A KNOCK ON FELDER, but it can be said very fairly that the po-construction side had better representation than the anti-construction neighbors.
I have alot of respect for Mr stern -whom I dont know- for standing up for his rights.
36
Oct 02, 2008 at 03:10 PM Anonymous Says:
can't they just throw in a shabbos elevator in this place and yidden will move in?!?
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Oct 02, 2008 at 03:31 PM Boro Parker Says:
“ well known secret fliers where handed out in willi kollelim offering $$$ to come and show support for developer and Felder ”
Im following this case, I was by the hearings at CB12 and by the BSA. At the hearing Stern said he has a problem with having housing in his backyard now it boiled down to traffic.
What I heard is:
3, 4, 5, bedroom apartments
each one with a Pesach kitchen
each one with a porch for a succah
A mikveh in the building for the people living there
Each apartment gets a parking spot in the garage
The elevator goes upto the 7th floor
The 7th floor apartment is a duplex with the 8th floor
No stores, Hotels, Motels, Shopping Centers in this project
Regarding the safty problem:
There will be a street lane (not for cars) running through the property so Fire trucks have access to the whole building in case of an emergancy.
This road will be on the side of the back yards from 50th Street, so no one will be looking into 50th Street houses.
SO EXPLAIN HOW THIS DEVELOPMENT IS NOT BEING GEARED FOR US YIDEN.
Guys wake up a lot of lies were spread till now. Pashkevilin were thrown on innocent people for no reason, time to stop all the sinas chinam.
Boro Park needs more housing and we are getting it B"H.
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Oct 02, 2008 at 03:30 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Where did it say that there is going to be a hotel/motel and stores?
Read and watch the video clip. ”
it was mentioned by the developer at city hall hearing
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Oct 02, 2008 at 03:22 PM Anonymous Says:
I leave in Williamsburg I would not trust Wydra & Brach
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Oct 02, 2008 at 03:17 PM Anonymous Says:
“ well known secret fliers where handed out in willi kollelim offering $$$ to come and show support for developer and Felder ”
I don’t live in the area and was offered money to come to the BSA hearing and say that I’m against it.
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Oct 02, 2008 at 03:22 PM Anonymous Says:
comments # 33 Dave sounds like you are the builder writing, if you would study the project you would understand. So do your homework than you will have the answer you are looking for (logic)
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Oct 02, 2008 at 03:36 PM Anonymous Says:
The hotel is out of the plan
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Oct 02, 2008 at 03:34 PM formely Says:
“ So, if people don't want Jewish organizations to get variances for zoning, that's anti-semitism.
But if Jews don't want a building going up, that is just taking care of the character of the neighborhood?
If there are objections to a camp having bright lights and loud noises in a rural area, that's anti-Semitism (if it's a Jewish camp). But objections that a private builder isn't building 4-5 bedroom apartments are all about the neighborhood values.
Someone want to explain the logic to me here? ”
if you want to fight this project, one must use logical arguments to fight it, traffic etc.
The other arguments are stupid and anti-Goy, I want yidden houses, or no bathing suits, you will get laughed out of court and become a laughing stock in the media and shown what you trurly are, racist.
If one wants to live in a closed community move to an enclosed community, or create one, or move to the a non urban area where the neighbors are not close by so you do not have to see them.
BTY, how does this sound, I do not want Jewish housing here, My children should no have to see people who kill little animals to wear a stupid hat.
It is the same argument just turned around. does it feel good? does it sound right?
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Oct 02, 2008 at 03:28 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Where did it say that there is going to be a hotel/motel and stores?
Read and watch the video clip. ”
it was mentioned by the developer at city hall hearing
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Oct 02, 2008 at 03:28 PM Anonymous Says:
http://www.vosizneias.com/9094/2007/05/13/williamsburg-brooklyn-ny-call-to-tear/
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Oct 02, 2008 at 03:27 PM formely Says:
“ So, if people don't want Jewish organizations to get variances for zoning, that's anti-semitism.
But if Jews don't want a building going up, that is just taking care of the character of the neighborhood?
If there are objections to a camp having bright lights and loud noises in a rural area, that's anti-Semitism (if it's a Jewish camp). But objections that a private builder isn't building 4-5 bedroom apartments are all about the neighborhood values.
Someone want to explain the logic to me here? ”
welcome to the illogical word of Ultra orthodox- they want all to be very tolerant to their needs, but are not tolerant about any others need.
They are hypocrites, that is your answer
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Oct 02, 2008 at 03:46 PM Anonymous Says:
Mendel Brach has nothing to do with the development. He sold the property to thw Wydra Brothers.
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Oct 02, 2008 at 04:08 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Mendel Brach has nothing to do with the development. He sold the property to thw Wydra Brothers. ”
ITS NOT TRUE.....HE IS A HIDDEN PARTNER !!
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Oct 02, 2008 at 04:06 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Im following this case, I was by the hearings at CB12 and by the BSA. At the hearing Stern said he has a problem with having housing in his backyard now it boiled down to traffic.
What I heard is:
3, 4, 5, bedroom apartments
each one with a Pesach kitchen
each one with a porch for a succah
A mikveh in the building for the people living there
Each apartment gets a parking spot in the garage
The elevator goes upto the 7th floor
The 7th floor apartment is a duplex with the 8th floor
No stores, Hotels, Motels, Shopping Centers in this project
Regarding the safty problem:
There will be a street lane (not for cars) running through the property so Fire trucks have access to the whole building in case of an emergancy.
This road will be on the side of the back yards from 50th Street, so no one will be looking into 50th Street houses.
SO EXPLAIN HOW THIS DEVELOPMENT IS NOT BEING GEARED FOR US YIDEN.
Guys wake up a lot of lies were spread till now. Pashkevilin were thrown on innocent people for no reason, time to stop all the sinas chinam.
Boro Park needs more housing and we are getting it B"H. ”
What a lie you were at the hearing @ the BSA there was no hearing by the BSA and I was at every hearing from CB12-BP-CPC- NYC COUNCIL no bsa. Mr. Stern said at every hearing was that this project is literaly in his backyard with no real access for FDNY when there is a fire they drag the hoses through his house. When the CPC asked MR. Stern what he would be happy with which you didn't hear since you were at the BSA hearing he gave a reasonable alternative that would give them over 100 apts with fire accsess. But Felder called down a deputy mayor for a private meeting with the commisioner & basicaly threatend her to approve this zoning change
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Oct 02, 2008 at 03:58 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Mendel Brach has nothing to do with the development. He sold the property to thw Wydra Brothers. ”
Its not true Wydra himself said Brach still has an interest in the project
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Oct 02, 2008 at 03:55 PM Anonymous Says:
“ welcome to the illogical word of Ultra orthodox- they want all to be very tolerant to their needs, but are not tolerant about any others need.
They are hypocrites, that is your answer ”
I think it is more an issue of non-education and feeling too comfortable in Galus.
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Oct 02, 2008 at 03:54 PM Anonymous Says:
Reply to #37 your not looking to buy. You are the builder. We dont need your opinion or comments.
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Oct 02, 2008 at 03:54 PM Anonymous Says:
Traffic studies for this project were done during the summer. That's not honest. Felder heard the entire neighborhood, including the rabbonim oppose this project. The traffic would be horendous, and dangerous for the many children on their way to school. If the developers cared for the neighborhood, they would do something about the trash and trashy goings-on by the FDR high schoolers hanging out on their property
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Oct 02, 2008 at 03:54 PM Anonymous Says:
Traffic studies for this project were done during the summer. That's not honest. Felder heard the entire neighborhood, including the rabbonim oppose this project. The traffic would be horendous, and dangerous for the many children on their way to school. If the developers cared for the neighborhood, they would do something about the trash and trashy goings-on by the FDR high schoolers hanging out on their property
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Oct 02, 2008 at 04:22 PM Boro Parker Says:
“ What a lie you were at the hearing @ the BSA there was no hearing by the BSA and I was at every hearing from CB12-BP-CPC- NYC COUNCIL no bsa. Mr. Stern said at every hearing was that this project is literaly in his backyard with no real access for FDNY when there is a fire they drag the hoses through his house. When the CPC asked MR. Stern what he would be happy with which you didn't hear since you were at the BSA hearing he gave a reasonable alternative that would give them over 100 apts with fire accsess. But Felder called down a deputy mayor for a private meeting with the commisioner & basicaly threatend her to approve this zoning change ”
Sorry you think I know the difference between all the agency's? No I don't so what ever you call the place let it be.
Now with your fire hose coming through your house? They are making a private street/lane (I wrote that in #37) that will give the fire dept access to the building with out going through Mr. Sterns house.
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Oct 02, 2008 at 04:21 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Im following this case, I was by the hearings at CB12 and by the BSA. At the hearing Stern said he has a problem with having housing in his backyard now it boiled down to traffic.
What I heard is:
3, 4, 5, bedroom apartments
each one with a Pesach kitchen
each one with a porch for a succah
A mikveh in the building for the people living there
Each apartment gets a parking spot in the garage
The elevator goes upto the 7th floor
The 7th floor apartment is a duplex with the 8th floor
No stores, Hotels, Motels, Shopping Centers in this project
Regarding the safty problem:
There will be a street lane (not for cars) running through the property so Fire trucks have access to the whole building in case of an emergancy.
This road will be on the side of the back yards from 50th Street, so no one will be looking into 50th Street houses.
SO EXPLAIN HOW THIS DEVELOPMENT IS NOT BEING GEARED FOR US YIDEN.
Guys wake up a lot of lies were spread till now. Pashkevilin were thrown on innocent people for no reason, time to stop all the sinas chinam.
Boro Park needs more housing and we are getting it B"H. ”
You have very good talking points but the fact is the front of this project is faciing the backyard of the 50th str. Ppl if u can show me another front of a building facing backyards anywhere in the city?
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Oct 02, 2008 at 04:19 PM Favish Says:
“ Traffic studies for this project were done during the summer. That's not honest. Felder heard the entire neighborhood, including the rabbonim oppose this project. The traffic would be horendous, and dangerous for the many children on their way to school. If the developers cared for the neighborhood, they would do something about the trash and trashy goings-on by the FDR high schoolers hanging out on their property ”
“ Traffic studies for this project were done during the summer. That's not honest. Felder heard the entire neighborhood, including the rabbonim oppose this project. The traffic would be horendous, and dangerous for the many children on their way to school. If the developers cared for the neighborhood, they would do something about the trash and trashy goings-on by the FDR high schoolers hanging out on their property ”
I was last night at Shoprite and the place is boarded up, so could you tell me were the hang outs are on the property? If there is why don't you call 311 or 911?
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Oct 02, 2008 at 04:17 PM Boro Parker Says:
“ Reply to #37 your not looking to buy. You are the builder. We dont need your opinion or comments. ”
So cause I'm a builder I am not allowed to put in my 2 cents? This blog is open to the public.
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Oct 02, 2008 at 04:16 PM Anonymous Says:
“ you should be ashamed to call it crazy.....we have enough traffic from ShopRite for which we get nothing in return..... ”
nothing in return... It happens to be that ShopRite is doing a service to the community by being there. It's a beautiful clean spacious store with very reasonable prices not to mention their weekly sales. especially at these difficult times it's a big help for large families.
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Oct 02, 2008 at 04:15 PM Anonymous Says:
“ I don’t live in the area and was offered money to come to the BSA hearing and say that I’m against it. ”
Can u tell me who offered me money? Cause there was no BSA hearing
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Oct 02, 2008 at 04:38 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Traffic studies for this project were done during the summer. That's not honest. Felder heard the entire neighborhood, including the rabbonim oppose this project. The traffic would be horendous, and dangerous for the many children on their way to school. If the developers cared for the neighborhood, they would do something about the trash and trashy goings-on by the FDR high schoolers hanging out on their property ”
“ Traffic studies for this project were done during the summer. That's not honest. Felder heard the entire neighborhood, including the rabbonim oppose this project. The traffic would be horendous, and dangerous for the many children on their way to school. If the developers cared for the neighborhood, they would do something about the trash and trashy goings-on by the FDR high schoolers hanging out on their property ”
1 traffic count was during the summer the other was chol hamoed succos of 5767
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Oct 02, 2008 at 05:00 PM Anonymous Says:
it is a shame that we believe we own the community and neighberhoods we are in golus and we do live near non jews . if you dont like it move to other areas that are mmore affordable like cleveland north miami beach and other jewish communities rather than paying 2000 dollars for a one bedroom basement pay and live like a mench in a house . jews have a responsibility to allow others to live anywhere they want otherwise it will come a time when the goyim will take what they want
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Oct 02, 2008 at 04:54 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Sorry you think I know the difference between all the agency's? No I don't so what ever you call the place let it be.
Now with your fire hose coming through your house? They are making a private street/lane (I wrote that in #37) that will give the fire dept access to the building with out going through Mr. Sterns house. ”
but as the attorney was looking through the so called fire lane he relized its a different plan than the one he submited to the CPC he keeps on changeing the plan they are not honest
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Oct 02, 2008 at 04:52 PM Anonymous Says:
“ 1 traffic count was during the summer the other was chol hamoed succos of 5767 ”
Right. And Jewish schools are closed, ergo no school bus traffic on chol hamoed.
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Oct 02, 2008 at 05:19 PM Anonymous Says:
who is the builder?
66
Oct 02, 2008 at 05:14 PM Anonymous Says:
Can we expect a fire sale around that area?
Yossi, sell your house if it id that geferlich.
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Oct 02, 2008 at 05:21 PM Anonymous Says:
Unbelievable. What about the motel- Jewish or not?
68
Oct 02, 2008 at 05:27 PM Anonymous Says:
the high sky rocketing cost for rent in boro park williamsburgh is thanks to section 8 program, were if you have it you can pay - but if you go out to work and try to make it on your own you will live in a basement, get rid of the section 8 you will see how fast house prices will come crashing down and rent will stabilize because nobody will be able to afford the high priced rent.
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Oct 02, 2008 at 05:09 PM Yom Kippur Says:
“ So cause I'm a builder I am not allowed to put in my 2 cents? This blog is open to the public. ”
Your 2 cents, You made more people unhappy than happy. You have caused a lot greif to the people. At the meeting you said what a nice guy you are. What a joke. Yom Kippur is around the corner, Means nothing to you, only in god we trust. $$$$
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Oct 02, 2008 at 05:31 PM Anonymous Says:
you all sound like a bunch of jealous losers. make your own money honestly and leave innocent people alone. So u would rather a goyish building go up. we all have a bunch of kids, and along with that comes busses, strollers, noise and traffic. move to kentucky if you want a big grassy quiet backyard.
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Oct 02, 2008 at 05:40 PM Anonymous Says:
“ you all sound like a bunch of jealous losers. make your own money honestly and leave innocent people alone. So u would rather a goyish building go up. we all have a bunch of kids, and along with that comes busses, strollers, noise and traffic. move to kentucky if you want a big grassy quiet backyard. ”
They r not a bunch of jealous losers so far he's the loser if he would listen to the community he would be able to build but so far he's tied up in court he can't put a foundation he can only dream of making money
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Oct 02, 2008 at 05:56 PM Anonymous Says:
5:27. I believe you are right.
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Oct 02, 2008 at 05:54 PM Anonymous Says:
Having experienced a similar problem, I can tell you unfortunately this ain't gonna make a diff and the building will go up faster than a blink.
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Oct 02, 2008 at 05:50 PM Anonymous Says:
get rid of section 8 that killed our real estate what do you think how do people that havent worked a day in their life buy a million dollar house? it has killed thousands of families that go out to work everyday - work hard to pay their rent they are forced to hand over their entire monthly paycheck to their landlord BECAUSE the guy sitting around and doing nothing gets to move in to a beautiful home nice kitchen etc paid for by the goverment.
Get rid of section 8 so those hard working people can afford to buy a house and those not working build them projects and put them there let the working class get something they DESERVE IT.
Oh after we get rid of the program you will find out that brick are not so expensive anymore sheet rock is not so expensive anymore etc.
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Oct 02, 2008 at 05:49 PM Bobever Says:
i am a bobev (48, if u really wanna know witch) kolel yingerman and i have nothing with this project, i dont even live close to it but one day -the past Asura BeTives- i was offered $200 just to go down to a hearing (dont remember name of the place, was right off the brooklyn bridge in manhattan), when i got there i found a other bunch of bucherim and kolel yingelaat who also said they were paid to come down to act as pro dahil project, and to hold posters in support of the project, we sat there all day doing nothing untill the dahil hearing (was the last one, after the Tree hearing -if u remember it-) then we were asked to say some BS pro speeches. but acctually while waiting there i found Reb Yossel Stern (known in BP for a real good hearted & honest man) and we disscussed the issue and by now i do think he is right with all the "security" issues which are very dangerous. but the point is the wydrow's who paid me and all others (which i must agree i was paid in time....) boosted in alot of money to try and gain support from the BP community by offering money which is not right. after the hearing listening to Reb Yossef's and his brother in law Reb Moshe Shmiel's speech i agree %100 to their concerns!!!ASACH HATZLUCHA! when people are working for the Tziber BeEmuna i must applaud them!
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Oct 02, 2008 at 05:48 PM Anonymous Says:
why cant u buy 2 apts, renovate and make it into a huge 5 or 7 bedroom? no car necessary because u have public transportation? if everyone is yiddish, then u wont ever have a shabbos goy. ahh, i forgot about the pple that dont have the striemel...thats ur goy !!!
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Oct 02, 2008 at 06:34 PM Anonymous Says:
let this be clear mr felder himself admitted thes condos will not be affordable they are being built with 11 ft ceilings as per mr wydro. when was the last time a builder built affordable housing with such high ceilings. we do not need more housing. the papers are full of available houses. the problem is they are unaffordable. as these will be. the only ones benefitting this project will be brach- wydro and felder whose campaign was financed by these developers
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Oct 02, 2008 at 07:09 PM Anonymous Says:
“ i am a bobev (48, if u really wanna know witch) kolel yingerman and i have nothing with this project, i dont even live close to it but one day -the past Asura BeTives- i was offered $200 just to go down to a hearing (dont remember name of the place, was right off the brooklyn bridge in manhattan), when i got there i found a other bunch of bucherim and kolel yingelaat who also said they were paid to come down to act as pro dahil project, and to hold posters in support of the project, we sat there all day doing nothing untill the dahil hearing (was the last one, after the Tree hearing -if u remember it-) then we were asked to say some BS pro speeches. but acctually while waiting there i found Reb Yossel Stern (known in BP for a real good hearted & honest man) and we disscussed the issue and by now i do think he is right with all the "security" issues which are very dangerous. but the point is the wydrow's who paid me and all others (which i must agree i was paid in time....) boosted in alot of money to try and gain support from the BP community by offering money which is not right. after the hearing listening to Reb Yossef's and his brother in law Reb Moshe Shmiel's speech i agree %100 to their concerns!!!ASACH HATZLUCHA! when people are working for the Tziber BeEmuna i must applaud them! ”
I am not commenting on the dahill rd project since I don't know the facts I want to comment on Yossi Stern personaly he's the nicest most honest guy that I know the tzedakah & hachnoses urchim that he and his wife do is unbelieveable so if u need any type of flooring shop at Boro rug & carpet they are well priced and you help a yid that is not selfish but will help people in need
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Oct 02, 2008 at 08:06 PM movin right along! Says:
just do what i'm doing.... moving to marine park!
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Oct 02, 2008 at 08:56 PM Anonymous Says:
“ I am not commenting on the dahill rd project since I don't know the facts I want to comment on Yossi Stern personaly he's the nicest most honest guy that I know the tzedakah & hachnoses urchim that he and his wife do is unbelieveable so if u need any type of flooring shop at Boro rug & carpet they are well priced and you help a yid that is not selfish but will help people in need ”
Talking about a yid whose not selfish and honest... mr. wydra helps Tons of yidden including chassidim, litvishe etc. with plenty of maasos of him helping many many unzera yidden who need it. so its a matter of letting them work it out.
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Oct 02, 2008 at 09:15 PM emes Says:
“ you are such a liar.........the have no window shades.....I leave directly across the street I'm looking to sell my apartment and move to new Williamsburg since I can't even let me kids look out the front window....since they will see very bad examples..... ”
excuse me !!! you're a LIAR ..they have window shades you can't see nothing.... they dress like ...... is true but our old neighbors P.R. are'nt better HASHEM TERACHEM
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Oct 02, 2008 at 09:13 PM Anonymous Says:
I'm happy that this is not affordable housing, cause if they would build affordable housing then nisht yiden would have to be given a chance to buy.
Now that its not affordable and has a pesach kitchen with a porch for a succah not a single nisht yid will try to buy cause they won't be able to afford.
To all you complainers that it should not be in my back yard and and that Felder himself said it won't be affordable be HAPPY that a nisht yid will not be buying a appartment.
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Oct 02, 2008 at 09:18 PM Anonymous Says:
“ i am a bobev (48, if u really wanna know witch) kolel yingerman and i have nothing with this project, i dont even live close to it but one day -the past Asura BeTives- i was offered $200 just to go down to a hearing (dont remember name of the place, was right off the brooklyn bridge in manhattan), when i got there i found a other bunch of bucherim and kolel yingelaat who also said they were paid to come down to act as pro dahil project, and to hold posters in support of the project, we sat there all day doing nothing untill the dahil hearing (was the last one, after the Tree hearing -if u remember it-) then we were asked to say some BS pro speeches. but acctually while waiting there i found Reb Yossel Stern (known in BP for a real good hearted & honest man) and we disscussed the issue and by now i do think he is right with all the "security" issues which are very dangerous. but the point is the wydrow's who paid me and all others (which i must agree i was paid in time....) boosted in alot of money to try and gain support from the BP community by offering money which is not right. after the hearing listening to Reb Yossef's and his brother in law Reb Moshe Shmiel's speech i agree %100 to their concerns!!!ASACH HATZLUCHA! when people are working for the Tziber BeEmuna i must applaud them! ”
They approched you cause you are a Bobover? What does Bobov have to do with this? I was also approched but by the side that is against the development and they asked me to come to that hearing and I said NO cause I need an apartment for my self with 4 bedrooms.
Can't wait for this to be built. We need more housing in Boro Park. If you are looking for peace and quite move to the Catskills.
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Oct 02, 2008 at 10:20 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Talking about a yid whose not selfish and honest... mr. wydra helps Tons of yidden including chassidim, litvishe etc. with plenty of maasos of him helping many many unzera yidden who need it. so its a matter of letting them work it out. ”
I don't know him Mr. Wydra so I didn't mention him but I know Yossi Stern he's a wonderfull person
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Oct 02, 2008 at 10:33 PM Anonymous Says:
“ They approched you cause you are a Bobover? What does Bobov have to do with this? I was also approched but by the side that is against the development and they asked me to come to that hearing and I said NO cause I need an apartment for my self with 4 bedrooms.
Can't wait for this to be built. We need more housing in Boro Park. If you are looking for peace and quite move to the Catskills. ”
This is not an issue of peace & quite its a SAFETY issue come down see the land locked property & u will understand
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Oct 02, 2008 at 10:30 PM Anonymous Says:
“ I'm happy that this is not affordable housing, cause if they would build affordable housing then nisht yiden would have to be given a chance to buy.
Now that its not affordable and has a pesach kitchen with a porch for a succah not a single nisht yid will try to buy cause they won't be able to afford.
To all you complainers that it should not be in my back yard and and that Felder himself said it won't be affordable be HAPPY that a nisht yid will not be buying a appartment. ”
So explain which yid will buy a 2 bedroom apt on the 7th floor they say its going to be pesach kitchens porches for succos but they wouldn't give it in writing for the neighborhood hopefully now after the lawsuit they will give it to the neighborhood so that it does not go for the nisht yidin
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Oct 02, 2008 at 10:26 PM HonestH Says:
You are all jealous ! The traffic in b.p. is crazy anyway. Let a good man (and a tremendous baal tzedaka too) make his parnosoh and may hashem give you yours too, without fighting and causing machlokes.
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Oct 02, 2008 at 10:57 PM Anonymous Says:
“ excuse me !!! you're a LIAR ..they have window shades you can't see nothing.... they dress like ...... is true but our old neighbors P.R. are'nt better HASHEM TERACHEM ”
I how dare you call me a liar when everyone knows that there is know window shades on the gretch building................you can drive by and see for yourself.......LIAR !!!
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Oct 02, 2008 at 10:58 PM Anonymous Says:
anyone know which judge is hearing this case?
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Oct 03, 2008 at 12:17 AM Anonymous Says:
“ You are all jealous ! The traffic in b.p. is crazy anyway. Let a good man (and a tremendous baal tzedaka too) make his parnosoh and may hashem give you yours too, without fighting and causing machlokes. ”
This is not a traffic issue like 13th Ave there is no way u can dump 179 apts. In a backyard, yes its a backyard a landlocked piece of property & say it will not have a significant impact 179 apts that is more ppl than 2 long blocks in BP. You have to have a plan where do the buses go? The delivery trucks? The car services? The only place is on 50th street now imagine mon. Morning. For 179 x 3 kids avg.that use busses =537
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Oct 03, 2008 at 07:23 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Im following this case, I was by the hearings at CB12 and by the BSA. At the hearing Stern said he has a problem with having housing in his backyard now it boiled down to traffic.
What I heard is:
3, 4, 5, bedroom apartments
each one with a Pesach kitchen
each one with a porch for a succah
A mikveh in the building for the people living there
Each apartment gets a parking spot in the garage
The elevator goes upto the 7th floor
The 7th floor apartment is a duplex with the 8th floor
No stores, Hotels, Motels, Shopping Centers in this project
Regarding the safty problem:
There will be a street lane (not for cars) running through the property so Fire trucks have access to the whole building in case of an emergancy.
This road will be on the side of the back yards from 50th Street, so no one will be looking into 50th Street houses.
SO EXPLAIN HOW THIS DEVELOPMENT IS NOT BEING GEARED FOR US YIDEN.
Guys wake up a lot of lies were spread till now. Pashkevilin were thrown on innocent people for no reason, time to stop all the sinas chinam.
Boro Park needs more housing and we are getting it B"H. ”
The problim is thay said the same thing when thay built there building in williamsburg that it will be for yiddin and then quitley thay changed the plans, so these people cant be trusted.
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Oct 03, 2008 at 01:34 AM mark levin Says:
Having once lived on that block for almost 20 years, I dont blame the people one bit for not wanting the project there. All thier points are very valid. That street is over congested due to Shoprite and the major insection at 20th Avenue. Adding all those cars will make it worse. There is NO way into or out of the area other than that corner. The other issue is that the housing is NOT for mi'sheluni rather it is for the undesirables who tend to occupy these projects.
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Oct 03, 2008 at 01:27 AM CB 12 Board Memeber Says:
“ So explain which yid will buy a 2 bedroom apt on the 7th floor they say its going to be pesach kitchens porches for succos but they wouldn't give it in writing for the neighborhood hopefully now after the lawsuit they will give it to the neighborhood so that it does not go for the nisht yidin ”
The 7th floor is a duplex apartment with the 8th, so I think it will have more then 2 bedrooms.
Regarding him giving in writting, the developer has plans and he showed it to the board and he doesn't have to give anyone a din v'cheshbon.
As I know you guys on the block never tried sitting down with the developer to discuss it like mentchen. At the Board hearing you booed and clapped and made a one big chillul hashem. He submitted plans that were adjusted and changed with the help of Councilman Simcha Felder and due to the concerns by the community. The developer addressed every issue in the design and layout of the development that all of you were complaing about, so what do you want now?
When the structure will be up and apartments will be done the Boro Park will see what you tried selling the community is not true.
You all know that there won't be department stores in this development, You all know that the apartments are being built for the heimeshe olem, YES with Pesach kitchens and porches for a Succah, You all know that most of the apartments will be geared for big families, so stop already with spreading lies.
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Oct 03, 2008 at 01:13 AM Anonymous Says:
“ This is not a traffic issue like 13th Ave there is no way u can dump 179 apts. In a backyard, yes its a backyard a landlocked piece of property & say it will not have a significant impact 179 apts that is more ppl than 2 long blocks in BP. You have to have a plan where do the buses go? The delivery trucks? The car services? The only place is on 50th street now imagine mon. Morning. For 179 x 3 kids avg.that use busses =537 ”
Isn't there a lane on the property that buses will drive through to pick up the children?
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Oct 03, 2008 at 08:28 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Isn't there a lane on the property that buses will drive through to pick up the children? ”
No only a fire lane thanks to the so called jealous neighbors that made such a racket about this by Govt. Agencies they got that but NOT for busses
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Oct 03, 2008 at 08:21 AM CB 12 Board Memeber Says:
to comment 93 if you are a CB 12 member you don't know the facts....I'm a CB 12 member and I got my facts straight.....all I can say is the following: "IF YOU WOULD KNOW THE FACTS YOU WOULD NOT COMMENT LIKE AN IDIOT"
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Oct 03, 2008 at 08:45 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Talking about a yid whose not selfish and honest... mr. wydra helps Tons of yidden including chassidim, litvishe etc. with plenty of maasos of him helping many many unzera yidden who need it. so its a matter of letting them work it out. ”
Well here is a good place for him to start. He doesnt have to look anywhere else.YOUR QUOTE. (Mr. Wydra helps Tons of yidden including chassidim, litvishe etc.)
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Oct 03, 2008 at 08:59 AM Anonymous Says:
“ The 7th floor is a duplex apartment with the 8th, so I think it will have more then 2 bedrooms.
Regarding him giving in writting, the developer has plans and he showed it to the board and he doesn't have to give anyone a din v'cheshbon.
As I know you guys on the block never tried sitting down with the developer to discuss it like mentchen. At the Board hearing you booed and clapped and made a one big chillul hashem. He submitted plans that were adjusted and changed with the help of Councilman Simcha Felder and due to the concerns by the community. The developer addressed every issue in the design and layout of the development that all of you were complaing about, so what do you want now?
When the structure will be up and apartments will be done the Boro Park will see what you tried selling the community is not true.
You all know that there won't be department stores in this development, You all know that the apartments are being built for the heimeshe olem, YES with Pesach kitchens and porches for a Succah, You all know that most of the apartments will be geared for big families, so stop already with spreading lies.
”
First u stop lying. They never tried to adress our concerns they sat & listend drew up new plans going to BP & said we agree. The plans that they are showing is not worth the paper its printed on they have a right to build 2 floors commercial + 10 floors residential the restrictive deed that Felder promised is NOT enforcable its a joke so u so called CB 12 member stop lying as these ppl only have our community in mind he's interested in making money as far as wydra is concerned he would sell his mother for a buck so me as a neighbor don't trust these crooks let's hope the judge teaches the city a lesson b4 u approve something like this make sure u know the facts how much money did the local councilmember get from the developers which let's hope it is reveald in court
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Oct 03, 2008 at 08:52 AM Anonymous Says:
“ You are all jealous ! The traffic in b.p. is crazy anyway. Let a good man (and a tremendous baal tzedaka too) make his parnosoh and may hashem give you yours too, without fighting and causing machlokes. ”
Guess you dont live there. You are just a lurker on this thread. You dont understand the problems . Go get a real JOB. If traffic is crazy anyway how does this help? Guess you werent the smartest in class
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Oct 03, 2008 at 09:29 AM Anonymous Says:
“ The 7th floor is a duplex apartment with the 8th, so I think it will have more then 2 bedrooms.
Regarding him giving in writting, the developer has plans and he showed it to the board and he doesn't have to give anyone a din v'cheshbon.
As I know you guys on the block never tried sitting down with the developer to discuss it like mentchen. At the Board hearing you booed and clapped and made a one big chillul hashem. He submitted plans that were adjusted and changed with the help of Councilman Simcha Felder and due to the concerns by the community. The developer addressed every issue in the design and layout of the development that all of you were complaing about, so what do you want now?
When the structure will be up and apartments will be done the Boro Park will see what you tried selling the community is not true.
You all know that there won't be department stores in this development, You all know that the apartments are being built for the heimeshe olem, YES with Pesach kitchens and porches for a Succah, You all know that most of the apartments will be geared for big families, so stop already with spreading lies.
”
That's not what Mr. Wydra said he needs 1 & 2 bedroom apts. On every floor cause of windows in the apts. So explain which yid is going to buy a 1 or 2 bedroom apt on the 6 floor?
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Oct 03, 2008 at 09:54 AM shuchen tov Says:
Gmar Chasime Tova to all of you...I spoke to Yossi Stern last night and he said he is very happy to announce that a settlement has been reached with the developers and he just hopes that all his neighbors would be satisfied with the BEST deal they could of agreed on..The court case is still open till the developers will comply with the Stipulation ordered by the court..
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Oct 03, 2008 at 10:53 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Gmar Chasime Tova to all of you...I spoke to Yossi Stern last night and he said he is very happy to announce that a settlement has been reached with the developers and he just hopes that all his neighbors would be satisfied with the BEST deal they could of agreed on..The court case is still open till the developers will comply with the Stipulation ordered by the court.. ”
The agreement is that the restrictive deed will be in the hands of the neighbors so that they can make sure that there is no 12 story building, there will be a street going through the project for busses & cars & a privacy wall between the project and the neighbors
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Oct 03, 2008 at 12:07 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Gmar Chasime Tova to all of you...I spoke to Yossi Stern last night and he said he is very happy to announce that a settlement has been reached with the developers and he just hopes that all his neighbors would be satisfied with the BEST deal they could of agreed on..The court case is still open till the developers will comply with the Stipulation ordered by the court.. ”
But Yossi still has to pay from his own pocket the lawyers and won't be able to get a discount on the apartments if he buy's one. Smart Judge.
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Oct 03, 2008 at 02:23 PM Anonymous Says:
“ But Yossi still has to pay from his own pocket the lawyers and won't be able to get a discount on the apartments if he buy's one. Smart Judge. ”
and as far as i know all neighbors including myself participated $2000.00 each to the association fund...
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Oct 03, 2008 at 02:22 PM Anonymous Says:
“ But Yossi still has to pay from his own pocket the lawyers and won't be able to get a discount on the apartments if he buy's one. Smart Judge. ”
i dont think he needs b"h discounts..he just closed on 3 properties next to his business with no mortgage...
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Oct 03, 2008 at 02:34 PM Anonymous Says:
yossie you made it to tv and VosIzNeias ok you could give it up now unless you also want to make to billboards and other atention getting...maybe there are auditions for a new movie "the drama hassid" lol .Ok give it up!And you go try living in a musty cramped two bedroom apt for see how long you last.......sorry for being nasty but this is too much Im fed up
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Oct 03, 2008 at 04:06 PM Also in a two bedroom Says:
106, I can understand your frustration except that if the housing has 1-2 bedrooms as some of the posters here say, you are still in the same boat. I think we need to look at other people with an eyin tovah and even if Yossi has money, it didn't come at your cheshbon and I have only heard good things about him.
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Oct 05, 2008 at 12:22 PM Anonymous Says:
“ That's not what Mr. Wydra said he needs 1 & 2 bedroom apts. On every floor cause of windows in the apts. So explain which yid is going to buy a 1 or 2 bedroom apt on the 6 floor? ”
Not true what u said..Mr.Wydra had a meeting in Yossi Sterns home and i was there. He kept ignoring the issues stressed by yossi and his assoc. members. He never showed any plans just a bunch of lies ,the same lies he told Planning board,Boro president,and planning commission. Finally the JUDGE put him in place and will have to uncover all his plans and documets to the Block Association not to UTA of BP..
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Oct 05, 2008 at 12:26 PM Anonymous Says:
Can anyone explain why UTA of Boro Park got the $1 million to distribute the Low income housing which Wydra committed to Marty Markowitz? Why is Gur,Bobov,Belz,Or any other boro park residents not entitled to the same funding?
ANSWER: Because who ever dosent know the answer should think for a few minutes and maybe will realize the under lying TRUTH here..
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Oct 05, 2008 at 01:19 PM Anonymous Says:
“ and as far as i know all neighbors including myself participated $2000.00 each to the association fund... ”
Spoke with one of your neighbors and he didn't give a penny to the fund.