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Published on: July 30, 2015 03:50 PM
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Rockland County, NY - Following a multi-week, non-jury trial a Rockland County judge has found a well known rabbi from New Square “not guilty” of sexual assault charges on Thursday.

Rabbi Moshe Taubenfeld was accused of sexually molesting a 9-year-old boy over a five-year period after the child came to him for counseling from September 2001 until May 2006.

Taubenfeld did not take the witness stand in his own defense.

The rabbi was facing seven years behind bars if convicted.

According to the Journal News, Court Judge Rolff Thorsen the non guilty verdict said it was based on the evidence, and had nothing to do with public opinion.

Well know Williamsburg activist Nachum Rosenberg who came to court Thursday to hear the verdict, called the decision political, saying the judge owed his election to New Square. He said as long as judges are subject to political influence, “there will be no peace for children.”


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 Jul 30, 2015 at 03:53 PM albroker Says:

Bharra needs to investigate this judge for bribery.

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 Jul 30, 2015 at 04:03 PM Joel Says:

I don't know if the man is innocent ot guilty but the court is defiantly corrupt !

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 Jul 30, 2015 at 04:16 PM WiseDude Says:

Last year, the judge got elected with 2000 votes from New Square and his opponent got zero New Square votes. That's why no jury on this trial. Are you surprised? I am not.

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 Jul 30, 2015 at 04:21 PM Anonymous Says:

Nuchem the loser.

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 Jul 30, 2015 at 04:25 PM shvigger Says:

Well-known, by whom? I never heard of him. Nuchem Rosenberg is a well-known Rabbi.

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 Jul 30, 2015 at 04:26 PM british Says:

No Jury.... Interesting

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 Jul 30, 2015 at 04:32 PM Anonymous Says:

I have a bigger question. Why was this fellow counseling the student? Precisely what qualifications does he have that render him capable of performing counseling? Where was he trained?

It has been pretty disgusting to watch people without any qualifications performing professional activities. Would we take a mohel for our children without training and experience? Would we eat from the shechitah of someone who never learned the dinim and had experience? Just being a "nice guy" and having other qualifications does not work.

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 Jul 30, 2015 at 04:47 PM sam Says:

Absolutely outrages. Dear Leiby I have never met you in my life. I know this verdict may be as painful to you as the original abuse itself .
Please know that not withstanding the judges verdict , myself and I am sure thousands of frum yidden following this case believe you . My heart goes out to you for the original abuse and now this verdict . Please be strong . You did the right and courage's thing to bring the matter to the authorities . It seems the system failed you and all victims and potential victims out there .
Leiby this is not your problem , you did yours . This is a problem for all of Klal Yisroel .

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 Jul 30, 2015 at 04:48 PM avigreen Says:

Some hope. Even in the most corrupt and political driven justice system, sometimes justice can prevail.

And to all self hatters VIN commentators before you open your mouths take a moment to read the court transcript and you'll have a laugh for yourself how baseless this story is.

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 Jul 30, 2015 at 04:51 PM Yossi Says:

Nuchem Rosenberg only agrees with Guilty verdicts. If someone is found NOT guilty its bribery. Nuchem a Mapuleh on YOU and everyone who wanted to see an innocent Rabbi in jail.

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 Jul 30, 2015 at 05:00 PM Chaim! Says:

Let's hope Laiby finds peace and comfort in the outcome.
We can only hope there aren't any other potential victims coming out of the woodwork.

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 Jul 30, 2015 at 05:09 PM Maven Says:

I just dont get it. The same people who always scream "the law is the law" when hasidim are being thrown into jail for long prison terms all of a sudden you dont like the law.The court is corrupt you all scream. Does it have to always be that an accused hasid on trial is guilty?

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 Jul 30, 2015 at 05:09 PM rebchuna Says:

If you want to take the legal route then a person could be found not guilty
Why the continued harassment online ?

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 Jul 30, 2015 at 05:14 PM Maven Says:

Why do even give attention to Nuchem Rosenberg? this Rosenberg fellow is hurting more Jewish kids than helping them.He teaches them all kinds of nasty talking.

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 Jul 30, 2015 at 05:41 PM binumin Says:

Reply to #8  
sam Says:

Absolutely outrages. Dear Leiby I have never met you in my life. I know this verdict may be as painful to you as the original abuse itself .
Please know that not withstanding the judges verdict , myself and I am sure thousands of frum yidden following this case believe you . My heart goes out to you for the original abuse and now this verdict . Please be strong . You did the right and courage's thing to bring the matter to the authorities . It seems the system failed you and all victims and potential victims out there .
Leiby this is not your problem , you did yours . This is a problem for all of Klal Yisroel .

Why when Weberman was found guilty every one was happy justice was done and now that this Rabbi is NOT found guilty all of a sudden the accuser is the one to be believed. When is justice Right and when is it Wrong?
Either you accept the courts findings or not

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 Jul 30, 2015 at 05:31 PM Anonymous Says:

Second Rabbi this week from New Square who got off scott free. The judges give shoplifters more jail time than pedophiles in Ramapo! Steal 10 bucks worth of nail polish from CVS and go to jail. Rape a kid and have your friends celebrate at a party.

I bet VIN will not post this!

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 Jul 30, 2015 at 05:59 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
sam Says:

Absolutely outrages. Dear Leiby I have never met you in my life. I know this verdict may be as painful to you as the original abuse itself .
Please know that not withstanding the judges verdict , myself and I am sure thousands of frum yidden following this case believe you . My heart goes out to you for the original abuse and now this verdict . Please be strong . You did the right and courage's thing to bring the matter to the authorities . It seems the system failed you and all victims and potential victims out there .
Leiby this is not your problem , you did yours . This is a problem for all of Klal Yisroel .

Why are you so positive that he is guilty?

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 Jul 30, 2015 at 06:21 PM Chaim! Says:

Reply to #16  
binumin Says:

Why when Weberman was found guilty every one was happy justice was done and now that this Rabbi is NOT found guilty all of a sudden the accuser is the one to be believed. When is justice Right and when is it Wrong?
Either you accept the courts findings or not

Since you brought up Weberman pls allow me to enlighten you. I attended that trial and his guilt was written all over the wall in extreme terms.
The defense tried to sell A revenge motive " that simply did not stick". If you remember they tried painting the story that the victim was upset and retaliating at Weberman for dissolving a previous relationship by having a former bf arrest. Think abt that.. Can you imagine any spouse in a second marriage/relationship allow any sort of connection to a previous relationship? (If anything they should be happy that the previous one fell apart)
Now to this case..
The reason I assume people may be upset with the outcome is because more and more people are becoming educated in this sad topic and are realizing that no one in their right mind would make up such terrible accusations against anyone if it wasnt true.
And to R' Nuchem Rosenberg single-handedly made this world a safer place by educating all of us about the dangers out there that has been shoved under the rugs for decades!
A community like new square Invests so much emphasis in protecting their children from the outside world and they teach them Hilchos Tziniyos to the extreme but on the other hand they throw their own children under the bus when such situations arise..
Automatically the child must be lying while the accused gets all the support in the world. Go figure that one out.

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 Jul 30, 2015 at 06:26 PM Chaim! Says:

Reply to #10  
Yossi Says:

Nuchem Rosenberg only agrees with Guilty verdicts. If someone is found NOT guilty its bribery. Nuchem a Mapuleh on YOU and everyone who wanted to see an innocent Rabbi in jail.

Because Nuchem hears plenty from the victims and their families.. And knows first hand that no1 would fabricate such a terrible thing against anyone.
You can take over Nuchems job if you feel you can do a better one. In the meantime all u r doing is criticizing from your hiding place.
This is a sad day for any victim of abuse. But on the other hand abusers think 10 times before they strike "thanks to the one and only R Nuchem"!

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 Jul 30, 2015 at 06:29 PM yosephchaim Says:

Today is a very happy day in klal yisroel! To leiby, you have to find now a new reason why your off the d, and to nuchem, just another sign how you are wasting your life trying to put innocent people in jail.

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 Jul 30, 2015 at 06:30 PM enlightened-yid Says:

There is nothing to celebrate here. I cringe that people will feel safe having their children around him. New Square is a scary place and the state nor the feds give a damn about that community to monitor all the kangaroo politics there. The kids and women will continue to suffer with such creeps in power.

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 Jul 30, 2015 at 06:39 PM Abe Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

I have a bigger question. Why was this fellow counseling the student? Precisely what qualifications does he have that render him capable of performing counseling? Where was he trained?

It has been pretty disgusting to watch people without any qualifications performing professional activities. Would we take a mohel for our children without training and experience? Would we eat from the shechitah of someone who never learned the dinim and had experience? Just being a "nice guy" and having other qualifications does not work.

He wasn't counseling him. This kid is a poor kid and no looked at him. Rabbi Taubenfeld's wife - who was killed on a bus in Jerusalem years ago - was a Tzedikes and had a open house. He wasn't the only kid who the Taubenfelds spent hours caring for him. But he is the only kid who returned the favor. And thank Hashem the truth came out. He couldn't keep his story straight...

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 Jul 30, 2015 at 06:56 PM Esther Says:

Reply to #12  
Maven Says:

I just dont get it. The same people who always scream "the law is the law" when hasidim are being thrown into jail for long prison terms all of a sudden you dont like the law.The court is corrupt you all scream. Does it have to always be that an accused hasid on trial is guilty?

And to you and your pals on this thread-areChasidim always innocent? Is it possible that their actually are Chasidim who are molesters?

25

 Jul 30, 2015 at 07:00 PM The_Truth Says:

He was found not guilty - THROUGH LACK OF EVIDENCE.
Meaning there is nothing to prosecute him or to find him guilty.
This does not mean he is innocent.

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 Jul 30, 2015 at 08:52 PM Professor Says:

Reply to #25  
The_Truth Says:

He was found not guilty - THROUGH LACK OF EVIDENCE.
Meaning there is nothing to prosecute him or to find him guilty.
This does not mean he is innocent.

This means there is no evidence and that means it may be a made up story.
I truly don't know what happened but that what "lack of evidence " means

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 Jul 30, 2015 at 09:17 PM TO CHAIM Says:

Chaim, as if nobody ever falsely accused someone for molestation. Hold on tight, There will be another verdict like this in monsey soon iyh! I dont know the facts here but I do know the facts in a different case in Monsey.. There are people that falsley accused. You are either very naive or a blood relative to NR. Again, not all stories are made up but saying that nobody ever falsley accuses is ludicrous

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 Jul 30, 2015 at 09:36 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
sam Says:

Absolutely outrages. Dear Leiby I have never met you in my life. I know this verdict may be as painful to you as the original abuse itself .
Please know that not withstanding the judges verdict , myself and I am sure thousands of frum yidden following this case believe you . My heart goes out to you for the original abuse and now this verdict . Please be strong . You did the right and courage's thing to bring the matter to the authorities . It seems the system failed you and all victims and potential victims out there .
Leiby this is not your problem , you did yours . This is a problem for all of Klal Yisroel .

I'm so sorry i don't know how you are, but i know Leiby and i know rabbi taubenfeld from yaers. wan i was a little boy i lived close to them i remember wan i was scared to go around the street because of the big boy leiby he should not touch me and hurt me. i also remember ones i full down on the street and i got scratch and yes rabbi taubenfeld helped me and gave me tissue's to clean my blud so i don't know how close you are living to leiby and rabbi taubenfeld but i'm sure not closer then i.

and i'm sure for 100% that the judge knows what he is talking!!! again 100% clean

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 Jul 30, 2015 at 10:04 PM Esther Says:

Reply to #19  
Chaim! Says:

Since you brought up Weberman pls allow me to enlighten you. I attended that trial and his guilt was written all over the wall in extreme terms.
The defense tried to sell A revenge motive " that simply did not stick". If you remember they tried painting the story that the victim was upset and retaliating at Weberman for dissolving a previous relationship by having a former bf arrest. Think abt that.. Can you imagine any spouse in a second marriage/relationship allow any sort of connection to a previous relationship? (If anything they should be happy that the previous one fell apart)
Now to this case..
The reason I assume people may be upset with the outcome is because more and more people are becoming educated in this sad topic and are realizing that no one in their right mind would make up such terrible accusations against anyone if it wasnt true.
And to R' Nuchem Rosenberg single-handedly made this world a safer place by educating all of us about the dangers out there that has been shoved under the rugs for decades!
A community like new square Invests so much emphasis in protecting their children from the outside world and they teach them Hilchos Tziniyos to the extreme but on the other hand they throw their own children under the bus when such situations arise..
Automatically the child must be lying while the accused gets all the support in the world. Go figure that one out.

I never realized the enormous, tragic irony of this issue until I read your last paragraph.

30

 Jul 30, 2015 at 10:21 PM pnimi Says:

Reply to #11  
Chaim! Says:

Let's hope Laiby finds peace and comfort in the outcome.
We can only hope there aren't any other potential victims coming out of the woodwork.

There probably are other victims, let's hope that they DO come out the woodwork.

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 Jul 30, 2015 at 10:33 PM sam Says:

Studies of child abuse allegations suggest that the overall rate of false accusation is under 10%. Of the allegations determined to be false, only a small portion originated with the child, the studies showed; most false allegations originated with an adult bringing the accusations on behalf of a child, and of those, a large majority occurred in the context of divorce and child-custody battles. see Wikipedia for sources.

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 Jul 30, 2015 at 11:02 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
WiseDude Says:

Last year, the judge got elected with 2000 votes from New Square and his opponent got zero New Square votes. That's why no jury on this trial. Are you surprised? I am not.

All you pathetic and sinful people who are so sure you know better than the judge whether he's guilty or not (without even seeing or hearing a shred of the evidence, no less!) are the precise reason why there could not be a JURY trial. You all made up your minds without knowing a thing, can you only imagine how open minded you'd have been to the truth, if you had been selected to sit on the jury?! You're all a bunch of shameless, non from people who are of Dan l'kaf zchus which is a Torah obligation! I spit on all of you .

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 Jul 30, 2015 at 11:05 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #16  
binumin Says:

Why when Weberman was found guilty every one was happy justice was done and now that this Rabbi is NOT found guilty all of a sudden the accuser is the one to be believed. When is justice Right and when is it Wrong?
Either you accept the courts findings or not

You're so right but these hypocrites who purport to be Frum yidden, are Oiver so many aveiros. They pick and choose when to believe in the court system, on,y when it matches their agenda.

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 Jul 30, 2015 at 11:06 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #17  
Anonymous Says:

Second Rabbi this week from New Square who got off scott free. The judges give shoplifters more jail time than pedophiles in Ramapo! Steal 10 bucks worth of nail polish from CVS and go to jail. Rape a kid and have your friends celebrate at a party.

I bet VIN will not post this!

What proof do you have he's a rapist! How would you like it if it was your son who was accused! I bet you'd be singing a different tune, wouldn't you?

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 Jul 30, 2015 at 11:09 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #19  
Chaim! Says:

Since you brought up Weberman pls allow me to enlighten you. I attended that trial and his guilt was written all over the wall in extreme terms.
The defense tried to sell A revenge motive " that simply did not stick". If you remember they tried painting the story that the victim was upset and retaliating at Weberman for dissolving a previous relationship by having a former bf arrest. Think abt that.. Can you imagine any spouse in a second marriage/relationship allow any sort of connection to a previous relationship? (If anything they should be happy that the previous one fell apart)
Now to this case..
The reason I assume people may be upset with the outcome is because more and more people are becoming educated in this sad topic and are realizing that no one in their right mind would make up such terrible accusations against anyone if it wasnt true.
And to R' Nuchem Rosenberg single-handedly made this world a safer place by educating all of us about the dangers out there that has been shoved under the rugs for decades!
A community like new square Invests so much emphasis in protecting their children from the outside world and they teach them Hilchos Tziniyos to the extreme but on the other hand they throw their own children under the bus when such situations arise..
Automatically the child must be lying while the accused gets all the support in the world. Go figure that one out.

Obviously you're one of those child abuse activists (majority of whom have sadly been molested themselves)or else you wouldn't be going to these types of trials or being so strong on the topic, while I do feel sorry for your hurt and pain, you and the others like you, must work thru therapy to ease your pain from your victimization, but just know that deionizing every Jew who gets accused, and deciding they must be guilty, is k"need Halacha, and morally wrong!!!!

36

 Jul 30, 2015 at 11:13 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #20  
Chaim! Says:

Because Nuchem hears plenty from the victims and their families.. And knows first hand that no1 would fabricate such a terrible thing against anyone.
You can take over Nuchems job if you feel you can do a better one. In the meantime all u r doing is criticizing from your hiding place.
This is a sad day for any victim of abuse. But on the other hand abusers think 10 times before they strike "thanks to the one and only R Nuchem"!

None of your points are factual, nor do they make sense. No true abuser us going to stop his abuse because hs afraid oF Nachum Rosenberg! You advocates are so quick to jump on the bandwagon whenever anyone accuses someone abuse. You claim NO ONE ever fabricates abuse accusations??? Are you out of your mind, stupid or just ignorant? Numerous kids have been coached by a parent going thru divorce, to make allegations against the other parent ! It happens all the time. Many people have a bone to pick against someone and scream rape,,,,get real, get help, and stop your sinful behavior against other Jews!

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 Jul 30, 2015 at 11:15 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #24  
Esther Says:

And to you and your pals on this thread-areChasidim always innocent? Is it possible that their actually are Chasidim who are molesters?

And to you I'd ask the same: can accused chasidim ever be innocent!???

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 Jul 30, 2015 at 11:16 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #27  
TO CHAIM Says:

Chaim, as if nobody ever falsely accused someone for molestation. Hold on tight, There will be another verdict like this in monsey soon iyh! I dont know the facts here but I do know the facts in a different case in Monsey.. There are people that falsley accused. You are either very naive or a blood relative to NR. Again, not all stories are made up but saying that nobody ever falsley accuses is ludicrous

You're right. And to all these ignoramuses who insist the judge is corrupt, do you really think he'd risk his job and career just to let a chased get off? Idiots.

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 Jul 30, 2015 at 11:19 PM Anonymous Says:

Ahoy people who are so quick to condemn a fellow Jew who was found innocent, will have to give din V'cheshbon. Do you think you know better than the ribbono shel loam whether he should've been found guilty or not? Shkatzim.

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 Jul 31, 2015 at 12:25 AM lazerx Says:

The American court system has been blind for years, yet, it is possible that this man is innocent. Who knows what really happened.

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 Jul 31, 2015 at 01:34 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #21  
yosephchaim Says:

Today is a very happy day in klal yisroel! To leiby, you have to find now a new reason why your off the d, and to nuchem, just another sign how you are wasting your life trying to put innocent people in jail.

Leiby is a shomer shabbos Jew, keeps kosher, and davens 3 times a day, stop spreading lies to fit your agenda!

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 Jul 31, 2015 at 01:42 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #32  
Anonymous Says:

All you pathetic and sinful people who are so sure you know better than the judge whether he's guilty or not (without even seeing or hearing a shred of the evidence, no less!) are the precise reason why there could not be a JURY trial. You all made up your minds without knowing a thing, can you only imagine how open minded you'd have been to the truth, if you had been selected to sit on the jury?! You're all a bunch of shameless, non from people who are of Dan l'kaf zchus which is a Torah obligation! I spit on all of you .

The following is why Taubenfeld could not get a fair judge trial, New Square bribed the judge with votes
New Squares vote in last year's (14) election (when the trial's preliminary stages already happened and everyone new this trial was coming up)
Rolff Thorsen 2338
Michael A. Koplen 11

a vote is a bigger payment then a dollar.
If New Square paid judge Thorsen 2338 dollars, no one would think he was being fair.

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 Jul 31, 2015 at 02:09 AM Yiddishe Bubbe Says:

I was praying for justice. Once again, the system failed. Leiby Stern, I salute you. You are more courageous than anyone I personally know. I pray you & your wife can move on, knowing that at least you have made public this monster & his crimes. As for his family....you are going to let Zeidie tickle or play other "games" with your children? Are you 1000% certain he is sooooo innocent?

I know of a family whose husband/father sat TWICE for child rape at his business premises ( he is still in jail). Incredibly, they still believe he is innocent. I was about to do business with them when I found out, & yes, I did my research. I lost out monetarily big time, but I sleep at night. I hope (but highly doubt) this evil pervert is shunned and reviled. That is the least we can do.

Meyer Seewald - this is a big blow, but keep on fighting the good fight.

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 Jul 31, 2015 at 06:56 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #12  
Maven Says:

I just dont get it. The same people who always scream "the law is the law" when hasidim are being thrown into jail for long prison terms all of a sudden you dont like the law.The court is corrupt you all scream. Does it have to always be that an accused hasid on trial is guilty?

The way Hassidism scream 'anti-semites!" whenever a Hasid who stole, raped, or molested is put in jail? Please, you only stand by the law when it gets you the outcome you desire. Otherwise it's just a minor stumbling block you step over.

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 Jul 31, 2015 at 05:30 AM mendy9 Says:

Reply to #30  
pnimi Says:

There probably are other victims, let's hope that they DO come out the woodwork.

that was actually a big part of his defence that since he is working in Yeshuvah for 20-30 years he had dealing with hundreds if not thousands of teens. over all these years NO ONE ever came forward to accuse him!

even now when he was on trial no one else jumped up and said I will join the prosecution (something which usually happens if there are more victims of an accused).

someone dealing with so many teens and only one person to accuse him goes to show that something doesn't smell right

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 Jul 31, 2015 at 09:08 AM Chaim Says:

Reply to #45  
mendy9 Says:

that was actually a big part of his defence that since he is working in Yeshuvah for 20-30 years he had dealing with hundreds if not thousands of teens. over all these years NO ONE ever came forward to accuse him!

even now when he was on trial no one else jumped up and said I will join the prosecution (something which usually happens if there are more victims of an accused).

someone dealing with so many teens and only one person to accuse him goes to show that something doesn't smell right

If you would know and to what levels the community shuns and harasses the victim (while they only support the accused) you would understand how there was only one victim so far. It is really pathetic.
It's sad to say that in some circles it became the biggest Kovad and honor to be accused of such terrible crimes against kids.

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 Jul 31, 2015 at 09:12 AM Chaim Says:

Reply to #35  
Anonymous Says:

Obviously you're one of those child abuse activists (majority of whom have sadly been molested themselves)or else you wouldn't be going to these types of trials or being so strong on the topic, while I do feel sorry for your hurt and pain, you and the others like you, must work thru therapy to ease your pain from your victimization, but just know that deionizing every Jew who gets accused, and deciding they must be guilty, is k"need Halacha, and morally wrong!!!!

I actually went initially to support Weberman, but that sadly changed once the facts of his behavior came out almost from the beginning of the trial.

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 Jul 31, 2015 at 09:23 AM Chaim Says:

Reply to #36  
Anonymous Says:

None of your points are factual, nor do they make sense. No true abuser us going to stop his abuse because hs afraid oF Nachum Rosenberg! You advocates are so quick to jump on the bandwagon whenever anyone accuses someone abuse. You claim NO ONE ever fabricates abuse accusations??? Are you out of your mind, stupid or just ignorant? Numerous kids have been coached by a parent going thru divorce, to make allegations against the other parent ! It happens all the time. Many people have a bone to pick against someone and scream rape,,,,get real, get help, and stop your sinful behavior against other Jews!

I agree with you in regards to divorce case fabrications, which isn't relative in this case.
No logic supports fabrications in any other case (especially in communities where the victim will most definitely go through living hell for speaking up).
I know it's hard for you to admit that Nuchem brought lots of good change. The abusers know Yesh Din V'yesh Dayen.. They know if they hurt a child there is a much stronger chance they will pay for their crime, compared to only a few short years back when it was getting shoved under the rug. Bh Nuchem brought this to light. Our kids are safer these days.. It's just the simple truth. U need to learn to just call a spade a spade.

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 Jul 31, 2015 at 09:31 AM Insider Says:

Not Guilty is Not Guilty. Case closed. End of story. Period.

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 Jul 31, 2015 at 11:09 AM Esther Says:

Reply to #37  
Anonymous Says:

And to you I'd ask the same: can accused chasidim ever be innocent!???

Yes. Now answer my question.

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 Jul 31, 2015 at 11:12 AM Esther Says:

Reply to #38  
Anonymous Says:

You're right. And to all these ignoramuses who insist the judge is corrupt, do you really think he'd risk his job and career just to let a chased get off? Idiots.

How ridiculous. Politicians etc risk these things all the time.Are you implying that he davka wouldn't do it for a Chasidishe Yid? The judge did it for himself.

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 Jul 31, 2015 at 11:15 AM BuckyinWisconsin Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

I have a bigger question. Why was this fellow counseling the student? Precisely what qualifications does he have that render him capable of performing counseling? Where was he trained?

It has been pretty disgusting to watch people without any qualifications performing professional activities. Would we take a mohel for our children without training and experience? Would we eat from the shechitah of someone who never learned the dinim and had experience? Just being a "nice guy" and having other qualifications does not work.

So true..."counselor" feh. Just a beard and black hat.

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 Jul 31, 2015 at 11:20 AM moshe Says:

There is no shred of a reason why this boy would make this up .
His parents reported it to the village leadership six years ago .
Their response . Ich ves nisht und ich gleib nisht .
I don't know and i don't believe.
It seems that the criminal justice system is set up to only take action after there is more than one allegation .
After witnessing the vilification and terror our community unleashes at a victim who goes to the authorities , it is very unlikely that multiple victims will report as would be the case in the secular world . It is amazing that even this victim had the courage to do so .
That being the situation, frum children are unfortunately more vulnerable than a child from the general population as potential abusers have much less to fear .

This is a a sad day for our community .
I do not know if prison is the best solution for pedophiles . What I do know is that we had a chance for many years to deal with the problem internally .
We failed miserably . The frum community was and still is the safest place for a pedophile .

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 Jul 31, 2015 at 11:23 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #45  
mendy9 Says:

that was actually a big part of his defence that since he is working in Yeshuvah for 20-30 years he had dealing with hundreds if not thousands of teens. over all these years NO ONE ever came forward to accuse him!

even now when he was on trial no one else jumped up and said I will join the prosecution (something which usually happens if there are more victims of an accused).

someone dealing with so many teens and only one person to accuse him goes to show that something doesn't smell right

"Yeshuvah for 20-30 years he had dealing with hundreds if not thousands of teens. over all these years NO ONE ever came forward to accuse him!"

Why would anyone else come forth? The perverts destroy the family business, expel other kids from yeshiva, shun the entire family. Look what happened to Rothenberg when he merely wanted to daven elsewhere when his son was sexually molested? There is so much fear in the streets in New Square, no one has any idea except the residents there. Do you know how many black and blue eyed women from New Square who are in shelters from abuse? They're afraid to say a word because of intimidation.

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 Jul 31, 2015 at 11:27 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

I have a bigger question. Why was this fellow counseling the student? Precisely what qualifications does he have that render him capable of performing counseling? Where was he trained?

It has been pretty disgusting to watch people without any qualifications performing professional activities. Would we take a mohel for our children without training and experience? Would we eat from the shechitah of someone who never learned the dinim and had experience? Just being a "nice guy" and having other qualifications does not work.

I find it very interesting that his brother was convicted and found guilty of the same crime. This points to the distinct possibility that this is a multi generational issue. So sad. Is this behavior actually more prevalent amongst the Chareidi Hasidim? I do not know. No matter what, it sohuld be exposed and prosecuted.

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 Jul 31, 2015 at 11:27 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #42  
Anonymous Says:

The following is why Taubenfeld could not get a fair judge trial, New Square bribed the judge with votes
New Squares vote in last year's (14) election (when the trial's preliminary stages already happened and everyone new this trial was coming up)
Rolff Thorsen 2338
Michael A. Koplen 11

a vote is a bigger payment then a dollar.
If New Square paid judge Thorsen 2338 dollars, no one would think he was being fair.

"Rolff Thorsen 2338
Michael A. Koplen 11"

Michael Koplen is too honest for them and is a family man. No way would he have let this monster return to New Square and molest that very evening.

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 Jul 31, 2015 at 11:31 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #32  
Anonymous Says:

All you pathetic and sinful people who are so sure you know better than the judge whether he's guilty or not (without even seeing or hearing a shred of the evidence, no less!) are the precise reason why there could not be a JURY trial. You all made up your minds without knowing a thing, can you only imagine how open minded you'd have been to the truth, if you had been selected to sit on the jury?! You're all a bunch of shameless, non from people who are of Dan l'kaf zchus which is a Torah obligation! I spit on all of you .

"I spit on all of you ."

I hope you brush your teeth before you spit on me. What is "from" people? You're dirty and stupid too!!!

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 Jul 31, 2015 at 11:52 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #19  
Chaim! Says:

Since you brought up Weberman pls allow me to enlighten you. I attended that trial and his guilt was written all over the wall in extreme terms.
The defense tried to sell A revenge motive " that simply did not stick". If you remember they tried painting the story that the victim was upset and retaliating at Weberman for dissolving a previous relationship by having a former bf arrest. Think abt that.. Can you imagine any spouse in a second marriage/relationship allow any sort of connection to a previous relationship? (If anything they should be happy that the previous one fell apart)
Now to this case..
The reason I assume people may be upset with the outcome is because more and more people are becoming educated in this sad topic and are realizing that no one in their right mind would make up such terrible accusations against anyone if it wasnt true.
And to R' Nuchem Rosenberg single-handedly made this world a safer place by educating all of us about the dangers out there that has been shoved under the rugs for decades!
A community like new square Invests so much emphasis in protecting their children from the outside world and they teach them Hilchos Tziniyos to the extreme but on the other hand they throw their own children under the bus when such situations arise..
Automatically the child must be lying while the accused gets all the support in the world. Go figure that one out.

Re" Can you imagine any spouse in a second marriage/relationship allow any sort of connection to a previous relationship?"

In secular circles often couples that are married will befriend prior Boy friends or girl friends. I believe that girl was secular enough to follow that approach. But this is in no way to declare webermans innocence. I am just pointing out a folly in your argument.

Re; "no one in their right mind would make up such terrible accusations against anyone if it wasnt true." I personally have a friend who was a camp counsleor. An 11 yr old campe rin his bunk approaches him and tells him my father is a lawyer for abuse victims. If you don't listen to me and do xyz I will tell him to fabricate an abuse story. My friend quite his job the next day.

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 Jul 31, 2015 at 11:56 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

I have a bigger question. Why was this fellow counseling the student? Precisely what qualifications does he have that render him capable of performing counseling? Where was he trained?

It has been pretty disgusting to watch people without any qualifications performing professional activities. Would we take a mohel for our children without training and experience? Would we eat from the shechitah of someone who never learned the dinim and had experience? Just being a "nice guy" and having other qualifications does not work.

Oh come on you really think you need a degree for "counseling". What do you think it was. Some rebbe in yeshiva or kollel that was doing some big brother work. he wasn't "counseling" like oh giving offical pyscologist therapy. This is very common in the yeshiva system. I myself was a big brother to children that need it. It generally works well. if you require a degree for everyone of those big brothers, you will just be depriving the system. Many children won't get the help they need. Even if this guy was found guilty I wouldn't disrupte the system for one rotten apple.

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 Jul 31, 2015 at 11:57 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #31  
sam Says:

Studies of child abuse allegations suggest that the overall rate of false accusation is under 10%. Of the allegations determined to be false, only a small portion originated with the child, the studies showed; most false allegations originated with an adult bringing the accusations on behalf of a child, and of those, a large majority occurred in the context of divorce and child-custody battles. see Wikipedia for sources.

Ok so this part of the 10%. wahts your point?

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 Jul 31, 2015 at 12:09 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #46  
Chaim Says:

If you would know and to what levels the community shuns and harasses the victim (while they only support the accused) you would understand how there was only one victim so far. It is really pathetic.
It's sad to say that in some circles it became the biggest Kovad and honor to be accused of such terrible crimes against kids.

Everything you say is true and it is a shanda. But that doesn't mean that theother extreme is correct either. If someone is found not guilty we can no longer accuse him

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 Jul 31, 2015 at 01:44 PM sam Says:

Reply to #60  
Anonymous Says:

Ok so this part of the 10%. wahts your point?

You did not read the rest . Of that 10 percent the majority of claims are brought by the parents , and are associated with divorce and custody battles.
That leaves a tiny percentage of false allegations .
If we are to add on the vilification and hate that frum kids get i would guess the odds of this being a false allegation as being miniscule. If anything I expect that the 99% of true molestation is never reported .

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 Jul 31, 2015 at 03:41 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #59  
Anonymous Says:

Oh come on you really think you need a degree for "counseling". What do you think it was. Some rebbe in yeshiva or kollel that was doing some big brother work. he wasn't "counseling" like oh giving offical pyscologist therapy. This is very common in the yeshiva system. I myself was a big brother to children that need it. It generally works well. if you require a degree for everyone of those big brothers, you will just be depriving the system. Many children won't get the help they need. Even if this guy was found guilty I wouldn't disrupte the system for one rotten apple.

" like oh giving offical pyscologist therapy. This is very common in the yeshiva system."

You were a "pyscologist" also? Learn how to spell!!! That's the problem with us frum....everyone is considered a psychologist in our yeshivas. No wonder so many of our kids go OTD. There is a reason NY requires a degree and license to practice psychology and it's to prevent people like YOU from advising young boys.

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 Jul 31, 2015 at 03:49 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #38  
Anonymous Says:

You're right. And to all these ignoramuses who insist the judge is corrupt, do you really think he'd risk his job and career just to let a chased get off? Idiots.

"do you really think he'd risk his job and career just to let a chased get off? Idiots."

Of course...it's called "votes." New Square gave him 2,000 votes. That's more than any other town in Ramapo gave him. The judge will do anything in his power to encourage the people of New Square vote him in again. If little boys are abused or molested, it's ok, because at least the judge will let the pedophile go free to abuse again and this will incur additional votes!!!

Rockland is heaven for pedophiles....hundreds of innocent little boys and Rabbis to take away their innocence. After court, parties celebrating victory with shnaps and dancing. Meanwhile, little boys weep in bed at night not knowing what to do anymore. So they go OTD, leave New Square and join Footsteps.

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 Aug 01, 2015 at 11:26 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #63  
Anonymous Says:

" like oh giving offical pyscologist therapy. This is very common in the yeshiva system."

You were a "pyscologist" also? Learn how to spell!!! That's the problem with us frum....everyone is considered a psychologist in our yeshivas. No wonder so many of our kids go OTD. There is a reason NY requires a degree and license to practice psychology and it's to prevent people like YOU from advising young boys.

A common unintellectual attack is to make fun of a guys spelling. I refuse to turn on my spell check for a vin comment. (I love you vin nothing against you guys!)
By the way when you say," No wonder so many of our kids go OTD". wrong of course w ehave an OTD problem. but its not "so many" Speak to anyone over 50 and ask them how many guys in their yeshiva class stayed frum. Our retention rates are pretty high amoungst the charedim. Of course there are issues that must be dealt with and fixed. But overall our system is better than ever. And the numbers prove it. You only hear the horror stories. The percentage of our society OTD is very small. The reason is because we have energized and ibergigebn chincuh system. Rabbeim are no longer just holocuast survivors who need parnasa. They are involved with childrens daily lives. And many dedictated yungerlit are willing to get involved where rebbeim can't. Lost children have a place to turn to. If helping a sad chid from a broken home has a little mix of what's offically physcology so be it. Our kids need it. Requiring anyone who helps children obtain a degree would be like overregulating businesses thereby stiffiling growth

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 Aug 02, 2015 at 11:49 AM bigwheeel Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

I have a bigger question. Why was this fellow counseling the student? Precisely what qualifications does he have that render him capable of performing counseling? Where was he trained?

It has been pretty disgusting to watch people without any qualifications performing professional activities. Would we take a mohel for our children without training and experience? Would we eat from the shechitah of someone who never learned the dinim and had experience? Just being a "nice guy" and having other qualifications does not work.

A more interesting question. Why, and under what circumstances would a "normal" six year old child seek the counsel of an adult, older man...? Or, where were his parents...? This is all the product of someone's sinister but creative mind. Guess who the suckers are...? We. Us. The public. Because in this new era of Mc Carthyism, every sick fantasy dreamed up by any sicko and pushed by the demagogues in the guise of child advocates is given credibility and respect. And the long standing good reputation of innocent people is dragged through the mud by scxh low life and deranged creatures like N. Rosenberg, who himself has a (sealed) criminal recored in the Ukraine...!

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 Aug 02, 2015 at 05:20 PM Chaim! Says:

Reply to #66  
bigwheeel Says:

A more interesting question. Why, and under what circumstances would a "normal" six year old child seek the counsel of an adult, older man...? Or, where were his parents...? This is all the product of someone's sinister but creative mind. Guess who the suckers are...? We. Us. The public. Because in this new era of Mc Carthyism, every sick fantasy dreamed up by any sicko and pushed by the demagogues in the guise of child advocates is given credibility and respect. And the long standing good reputation of innocent people is dragged through the mud by scxh low life and deranged creatures like N. Rosenberg, who himself has a (sealed) criminal recored in the Ukraine...!

You make it sound like The subject of sexual abuse was once upon a time dealt with in a different manner, when the truth of the matter is the subject was never looked at or discussed in any shape or form. It was a non subject. And when it did arise once in a blue moon it was shoved update the rug.
Now we at least are dealing with it properly. Thanks to the person you just bad mouthed.
Please stop criticizing the person that made your children and neighbors live in a safe environment by bringing it to light and dragging the subject from under the dusty old carpet.

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