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New York - The Solution To The Abuse of Alcohol Institute A "Sar Hamashkim" (server of drinks)

Published on:   Oct 06, 2008 at 06:55 AM
News Source: Rabbi Avrohom Glick Vaad Horuchni-Melbourne
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New York - The abuse of alcohol is a problem in society at large on all levels, but we feel that it is our duty to address this issue as it exists within our community. This is especially so, since there have, over the years, been several incidents in which young people have put themselves into potentially dangerous situations through over-drinking.

We feel that a meaningful and significant improvement in the situation can be achieved only if we base our whole approach to the drinking of alcohol on the specific Takonoh (decree) of the Rebbe. This was first instituted by the Rebbe about forty-five years ago, and subsequently repeated, emphasized and reiterated by him in public on countless occasions. The Takonoh was that for any person less than forty years of age, the maximum amount of alcohol consumed is a sum total of not more than one Reviis, (In Halocho there are differing opinions as to the actual size of a Reviis, the accepted opinion in Chabad is 86ml) and that this Reviis should be split up into three or four separate times of saying L'Chaim, example: a person should say not more than four L'Chaims, the total amount not exceeding 86ml. In the event of his having made Kiddush on wine, the amount of wine he drank is included in the total shiur of alcohol permitted. Kiddush itself should not be made on vodka or whisky.

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We believe that if the above takonoh is observed, it is highly unlikely that alcohol consumption will be a problem. Unfortunately, quite apart from the fact that some people consider the above Takonoh to be outdated and irrelevant and do not take it seriously, there are, in addition, social and practical circumstances which encourage people to behave in a way totally inconsistent with both the letter and spirit of the Takonoh.

The three main venues where alcohol consumption has been a problem have been:

(i) Kiddushim and farbrengens;

(ii) Simchos such as a Sholom Zochor, weddings, engagements, etc;

(iii) At the Shabbos/Yomtov table of a Baal-Habayis.

In all of the above, very often several bottles of alcohol are left on a table, where they attract the interest of those who are included in the Takonoh, and who therefore should not be drinking more than the Takonoh permits.

In order for the Takonoh to be observed, surrounding circumstances must be arranged in a way that actively encourage its observance. We therefore recommend that the Institution of a "Sar Hamashkim" (server of drinks) which has for generations been in practice at Chassidic farbrengens, is here both necessary and timely. Practically speaking, the arrangement should be that at any of the above, there should be one or more persons who are responsible for the distribution of alcohol. This person (or persons) will go around and offer L'Chaim, in small-size cups only to those present. Given that no alcohol will be placed on the table, and that those in charge of distribution are responsible people, there is no reason why anyone should drink over the limits of the Takonoh. School age children up to and including secondary school students should not be given any vodka or whisky. At farbrengens for school age students, L'Chaim should be said on wine or soft drinks.

The key to all of the above is responsibility. Those who organize a farbrengen must be responsible for arranging a distributor for the duration of that farbrengen. The host is responsible for a similar arrangement at a Sholom Zochor taking place in his home. He is similarly responsible for the amount of alcohol distributed and consumed at his Shabbos/Yomtov table. We therefore feel that no event should be advertised on Yeshivah notice-boards or websites, etc. or announced in Shule unless there is someone who accepts responsibility for making and implementing the appropriate arrangements. We hope that everyone will appreciate that such restrictions are in everyone's best interests, and represent a minor inconvenience which yields major results.

Needless to say, all of the above concerns only the maximum amount of alcohol allowed. If, however, a parent wishes that their son should drink no alcohol whatsoever, their wishes must be respected.


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 Oct 06, 2008 at 08:02 AM Anonymous Says:

L'Chaim

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 Oct 06, 2008 at 08:40 AM robroy560 Says:

Hmm...

Whatever happened to parents doing their job? My parents taught my sister and I about alcohol.

Whatever happened to personal responsibility? I never understood people who think they can find happiness or solutions to a problem in a bottle.

How is getting so drunk that you create a Chillul HaShem a great way to celebrate? How do you think we look as a community when our members wind up in the hospital?

Don't get me wrong; I am not anti-alcohol. But the difference is I like to taste my alcohol. It takes me a year to finish a 750 ml bottle of whiskey. It's called discipline and self control, which you have to learn.

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 Oct 06, 2008 at 08:39 AM Anonymous Says:

a reviis of wine or vodka? it's a big difference. vodka is approx 300-700% stronger than wine depending on the alcohol content of the wine (5-13%)

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 Oct 06, 2008 at 08:21 AM MARK Says:

LETS DRINK TO THAT

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 Oct 06, 2008 at 09:23 AM Anonymous Says:

This policy has been in place at Kingsway Jewish Center in Brooklyn for many years. Most shuls dont realize the insurance liability they face. Many people attending simcha's at Kingsway from the neighborhood felt the the Kingsway policy was crazy but I am happy to see that others think the same way.

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 Oct 06, 2008 at 09:23 AM Anonymous Says:

The Takona is a Revi'is of alcohol. So a 5 ounce cup of wine at 10% alcohol content counts for .5 ounce of alcohol, while a 2 ounce shot of 100 proof vodka (50% alcohol) counts as 1 ounce of alcohol. A bottle of beer (16 oz. at 5% ) counts as 0.8 oz. of alcohol.
86 ml (about 3 oz.) of alcohol is more than enough to make an average adult legally drunk.

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 Oct 06, 2008 at 11:06 AM MOISHE LIVIT Says:

But who's going to watch the "Sar Hamashkim" ???

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 Oct 06, 2008 at 10:54 AM chnyock Says:

by farbrengens the rebbe made a takono, not more then four cups of mashke.

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 Oct 06, 2008 at 11:21 AM Anonymous Says:

I recently made a kiddush and had a few bottles of Cream Malaga rather than schnapz. Guess what people drank the wine, did not get drunk and I saved a fortune!

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 Oct 06, 2008 at 12:41 PM bigwheeel Says:

Reply to #2  
robroy560 Says:

Hmm...

Whatever happened to parents doing their job? My parents taught my sister and I about alcohol.

Whatever happened to personal responsibility? I never understood people who think they can find happiness or solutions to a problem in a bottle.

How is getting so drunk that you create a Chillul HaShem a great way to celebrate? How do you think we look as a community when our members wind up in the hospital?

Don't get me wrong; I am not anti-alcohol. But the difference is I like to taste my alcohol. It takes me a year to finish a 750 ml bottle of whiskey. It's called discipline and self control, which you have to learn.

The liquor stores won't be making much of a living with you as a customer. As opposed to someone I know, who happens to finish a 750ml. (even a 1.75liter jug (check 'em out. They exist) much faster)!!!

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 Oct 06, 2008 at 01:42 PM NoTechie Says:

BS"D

The rav who wrote this made a mistake and could not have meant a reviis of pure alcohol (aka Everclear). The Rebbe ZYA was referring to a reviis of 40% alcohol vodka.

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 Oct 06, 2008 at 02:11 PM bigwheeel Says:

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NoTechie Says:

BS"D

The rav who wrote this made a mistake and could not have meant a reviis of pure alcohol (aka Everclear). The Rebbe ZYA was referring to a reviis of 40% alcohol vodka.

Now. You have to specify which Rebbe ZY"A! Because some Rebbes didn't even touch that stuff (Vodka, etc.) on Purim and Simchas Torah. Some others had a great Avodah with the Bourbons and Vodkah-s!!! (Scotch was not preferred by any Rebbis, because of the Shaila of Yayin Nesech with Blended Scotch Whisky!!!)

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 Oct 06, 2008 at 05:42 PM seen it all Says:

In our Chabad shul on Simchas Torah, we control the liquor by not putting any bottles on the tables. Adults are allowed to give out mashke, but they have to keep the bottle in their hand at all times. The problems we've seen are with teenagers, especially from other shuls, and this system has worked for us very well.

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 Oct 06, 2008 at 10:49 PM robroy560 Says:

Reply to #10  
bigwheeel Says:

The liquor stores won't be making much of a living with you as a customer. As opposed to someone I know, who happens to finish a 750ml. (even a 1.75liter jug (check 'em out. They exist) much faster)!!!

What are you trying to say? I am not giving enough business to my local liquor store because I am responsible for my alcohol use?

Yes, I am familiar with 1.75L bottles.

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 Oct 07, 2008 at 02:09 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
robroy560 Says:

Hmm...

Whatever happened to parents doing their job? My parents taught my sister and I about alcohol.

Whatever happened to personal responsibility? I never understood people who think they can find happiness or solutions to a problem in a bottle.

How is getting so drunk that you create a Chillul HaShem a great way to celebrate? How do you think we look as a community when our members wind up in the hospital?

Don't get me wrong; I am not anti-alcohol. But the difference is I like to taste my alcohol. It takes me a year to finish a 750 ml bottle of whiskey. It's called discipline and self control, which you have to learn.

If you read the last paragraph carefully, it is clear that it is a community wide stance, for when the parents are not there, even if the teenager insists that their parent allows it.

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 Oct 07, 2008 at 02:06 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #11  
NoTechie Says:

BS"D

The rav who wrote this made a mistake and could not have meant a reviis of pure alcohol (aka Everclear). The Rebbe ZYA was referring to a reviis of 40% alcohol vodka.

The Rav who wrote this was referring to the Takono of the Rebbe, which was discussing alcoholic drinks. Whether it is wine or Vodka, the maximum is a reviis of the drink, total.

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 Oct 07, 2008 at 01:42 AM anti lubab Says:

in order for someone to be allowed to touch wine, he/she must not do avoda zara.

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