Monsey, NY - Father Arrested for Rape Of Own Daughter, Held Without Bail |
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Last updated on: Oct 06, 2008 at 06:50 PM
Monsey, NY - A Man was arrested early today on federal charges involving abuse of minors children.
Yisroel Moshe Weingarten, 58 from the Satmar Community was arrested by FBI agents at his Rockland County home in Monsey, N.Y. and is expected to appear in federal court in Brooklyn later today, law enforcement sources said.
Mr. Weingarten is named in a five-count federal indictment obtained by the US Attorney's office in the Eastern District of New York following an investigation by the FBI.
Mr. Weingarten could face life in prison if he is convicted of the charges contained in the indictment.
U/D 5:50 PM
Mr Weingarten was arraigned this afternoon in the U.S. Federal Court for the Eastern District of New York and was ordered held without bail.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 10:36 AM I survivied Says:
at least ... oh my god .. i am going to faint !!!!
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Oct 06, 2008 at 10:42 AM Life in Prison Says:
Pls lets put these sick despicable people away already. we don't want them hurting our kids for life, do we!!!!! pls there's no need to emphasize with such sick men!!!!
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Oct 06, 2008 at 10:41 AM Hikind is right Says:
Mr Dov Hikind,
This will prove to you why you need to keep fighting and have these bad people jailed for life.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 10:40 AM Esq. Says:
Once again we are forced to ewxamine exactly who and what we are. If we protect these sick individuals we are worse then they are.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 11:04 AM Anonymous Says:
I Think That There are Many Other ways Hou To Get Rid Of Those People.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 11:03 AM Anonymous Says:
Guilty until proven inocent.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 11:05 AM alan jay Says:
C'mon it;'s Aseres Yemai Teshuva. The person named above may be innocent.
If he his found guilty then maybe I would believe this.
Wishing everyone a G'Mar Tov
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Oct 06, 2008 at 10:58 AM Anonymous Says:
who says that this is a true story?
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Oct 06, 2008 at 10:54 AM Mindy Says:
Let bubu in jail take care of the rest......
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Oct 06, 2008 at 10:51 AM Anonymous Says:
what is this wich yeshiva or beis hemedresh. finally people taking action on their own no other way this will really help.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 11:17 AM YY BP Says:
“ at least ... oh my god .. i am going to faint !!!! ”
Is it the one who you referred to in another thread?
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Oct 06, 2008 at 11:15 AM how dare you Says:
“ C'mon it;'s Aseres Yemai Teshuva. The person named above may be innocent.
If he his found guilty then maybe I would believe this.
Wishing everyone a G'Mar Tov ”
how dare you try to be dan l'kaf zichus him. FBI agents don't make an arrest for no reason- they must have some hard core evidence on him.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 11:15 AM Anonymous Says:
Who is this guy?
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Oct 06, 2008 at 11:21 AM Esq. Says:
Federal indictments are not granted lightly. Innocent until proven guilty is the basis for the democratic judical system which prohibits the finding of guilt where one's constitutional rights are violated. So if he was not preperly mirandized before he was arrested the indictment would be thrown out - but it dosent mean he didnt molest the kid - it only means that the judicial system failed and a criminal does not have to answer for his crimes because of a mistake in the applying of the law. As jews we answer to another authority. Can we expect to get off the hook for eating treyfe because we didnt look at the label.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 11:29 AM Conservative One Says:
If he is guilty lock him up and throw the key away. If not, let's be mispallel for him.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 11:26 AM Anonymous Says:
L'maan yishme-ee veyiroo-ee.
Is Nuchem Rosenberg working now behind the scene?
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Oct 06, 2008 at 11:31 AM Anonymous Says:
PLEASE don't judge anyone just because he was arrested. Do you know that many arrested, indicted, convicted, and sentenced DEATH ROW inmates were subsequently proven innocent as a result of DNA tests.
I have no clue if this person is guilty or not. I do know that it is Erev Yom Kippur and we ALL, even the holier-than-thou bloggers, need RACHMEI SHMAYIM MERIBIM!
This is a time to pray not to slay!
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Oct 06, 2008 at 11:22 AM Anonymous Says:
no one is innocent. 9 out 10 kids have been molested or attemp molestotaion
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Oct 06, 2008 at 11:21 AM Anonymous Says:
Thats the way it should be. You Assault a Minor you will pay for it. And by the way its all credit to Nochum Rosenberg. boooo to all the so called rabonim how had a problem........
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Oct 06, 2008 at 11:19 AM Meatloaf Says:
Edmond Burke -
- The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
We must shine a bright light on such people publicly. If they do not feel the whip of community scorn they will continue in their evil ways and we will be judged guilty in aiding and abetting them. Sunshine and fresh air are the best antidote for the Kahilla.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 11:42 AM I survived Says:
“ Is it the one who you referred to in another thread? ”
yeah, this is the happiest momnet of my life. i have been waiting 17 years for this !!! thank you to EVERYONE who helped me survive !!!
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Oct 06, 2008 at 11:42 AM Shloma Says:
IS THIS GUY INVOLVED IN A FIGHT WITH HIS WIFE ?
AND SHE WANTS A GET?
Have you not heard such crazy stories in the past?
WHY ? is everybody jumping to conclusions when you don't know both sides of the story ?
Just because it involves the FBI it does not mean the guy is guilty.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 11:42 AM Smarty Says:
“ PLEASE don't judge anyone just because he was arrested. Do you know that many arrested, indicted, convicted, and sentenced DEATH ROW inmates were subsequently proven innocent as a result of DNA tests.
I have no clue if this person is guilty or not. I do know that it is Erev Yom Kippur and we ALL, even the holier-than-thou bloggers, need RACHMEI SHMAYIM MERIBIM!
This is a time to pray not to slay! ”
100% correct. It wouldn't be the first time that federal agents have turned a molehill into a whole mountain. I personally of such a case.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 11:41 AM Shaul in Monsey Says:
Anon 18, how can you possibly compare a death row case of mistaken identity to a child molestation indictment before you mumbo jumbo about rachamim?
Whether this man is guilty or not is a matter for a jury, but if he was indicted for sexual misconduct against a minor, then obviously the grand jury was presented with compelling evidence.
Pray not slay. Cute rhyme. Here's another one for you. Don't have sex with young innocent boys you destroy forever because you can't control your taivos. On second thought, mine doesn't rhyme but I like it better anyhow.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 11:40 AM ML Says:
OMG! finally! yes, this story is true!!!!!to all those who turned a blind eye all these years: you better beg for mechila! and yes, his name should be plastered all over for the whole world to see!!!!!
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Oct 06, 2008 at 11:39 AM Yitzchok Says:
Please define abuse, did he give his kid a "zets" because the kid ran into on-coming traffic? or did he do do something far mor despicable and un-mentionable? Please advise.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 11:51 AM I survived Says:
“ IS THIS GUY INVOLVED IN A FIGHT WITH HIS WIFE ?
AND SHE WANTS A GET?
Have you not heard such crazy stories in the past?
WHY ? is everybody jumping to conclusions when you don't know both sides of the story ?
Just because it involves the FBI it does not mean the guy is guilty. ”
PLEASE DONT TALK BECUASE YOU WERE NOT MOLESTED !!!! i survived from thsi man after 5 yeas of molestation !!!
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Oct 06, 2008 at 11:50 AM Chana Rochel Says:
For 6 years this man has been know to the Monsey Rabbonim for living with his daughters! They've been "helpless" in doing anything about it because they could not decide unanimously on a course of action and therefore just stood by silently while this Retzicha took place every day! This was a 5 year international investigation by the FBI, spanning 3 countries, countless overseas and local Rabbonim and law enforcement people who co-operated with the FBI. The case against this father is horrendous and so overdue. He has not allowed any of his adult children to marry, fearful that they would expose his behaviour. There is so much more to say, but not within the realms of this blog, however - "Soif Ganev L'Tlia"! Hopefully, the unknowing Monsey community will not jump in and scream "Pidyon Shvuim" for this monster.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 11:48 AM emes Says:
“ how dare you try to be dan l'kaf zichus him. FBI agents don't make an arrest for no reason- they must have some hard core evidence on him. ”
not true !! 1st we must check SHULEM BAYIS.... possible ? if the wife wants to take revange.... and also avoid the father visitaion ... that's the way g-d forbid here again !!!! I don't know.. but maybe !
atleast look in to it before blame & make judgements V'HSHEM HATOIV YECHAPER
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Oct 06, 2008 at 11:38 AM Anonymous Says:
Now, That's a different story then what was posted before.
I don't believe too many will believe this story. Unfortunately too many of such stories (when a get was involved) were proven to be fabricated.
M.N.W. Yoceeach.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 11:56 AM Anonymous Says:
“ yeah, this is the happiest momnet of my life. i have been waiting 17 years for this !!! thank you to EVERYONE who helped me survive !!! ”
May you continue to get help.
Another Monsey Survivor
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Oct 06, 2008 at 11:56 AM I survived Says:
“ OMG! finally! yes, this story is true!!!!!to all those who turned a blind eye all these years: you better beg for mechila! and yes, his name should be plastered all over for the whole world to see!!!!! ”
THANK YOU TAHNK YOU THANK YOU !!! my soul feels alive and my 17 year old burden is begining to lift !!!
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Oct 06, 2008 at 12:19 PM Anonymous Says:
I don't know who is this guy I just hope us ppl shall not rush to judgement its b4 yom Kippur. If this person did it we all have to say B"H he was arrested & off the streets so he can't harm YOUR kids but 4 now let's not disscuss this person personaly rather discuss the issue in general how we can solve the problem like Dov Hikind & Nuchem Rosenberg want to do not shove it under the rug
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Oct 06, 2008 at 12:18 PM bigwheeel Says:
“ Please define abuse, did he give his kid a "zets" because the kid ran into on-coming traffic? or did he do do something far mor despicable and un-mentionable? Please advise. ”
I'm asking you [back] your own question! (Rhetorically.) What DO YOU think?!
(THINK is deliberately written in lower case !)!!!
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Oct 06, 2008 at 12:13 PM Anonymous Says:
My sister was in Sem with her and well remembers the episode. She has been davenning for her ever since as it was highly traumatic. She misses her terribly and would love to get back in touch with her (she was a confidante of hers) - her comment was: YES!!! Boruch Hashem they finally got him. F.L. , if you ever read this, R.M.M. misses you!
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Oct 06, 2008 at 12:25 PM Anonymous Says:
To you nuts assuming the wife is trying to force a Get and is making up stories - We all see what is the first thing on your mind.
Are you a few of the husbands with 'personal issues' we hate all women because the one's who were cursed with being married to you now know the truth about you?
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Oct 06, 2008 at 12:23 PM FinVeeNemtMinSechel Says:
Come on if he would have not been chasidish there wouldnt be so much noise.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 12:15 PM Lock & Load Says:
“ Let bubu in jail take care of the rest...... ”
Mindy, bubu????
Interesting a Womans Comment.....
I do agree with you, if he is found Guilty he should get what he Deserves.....
Lock & Load
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Oct 06, 2008 at 12:11 PM Anonymous Says:
“ IS THIS GUY INVOLVED IN A FIGHT WITH HIS WIFE ?
AND SHE WANTS A GET?
Have you not heard such crazy stories in the past?
WHY ? is everybody jumping to conclusions when you don't know both sides of the story ?
Just because it involves the FBI it does not mean the guy is guilty. ”
you are so right!!! were are our askunim and rabbonim to go after these dirty cheapshot women who send there husbands to prison on pure lies just to get back at the husband when they want a divorce
i went through a divorce my ex-husband gave me a very difficult time i could of had him arrested for assult i wouldnt dear do it do you now why
because the torah permits us to be mechallel shabbos to take someone out of jail i cant imagine how big the punishment will be for someone to falsly and selfishly put there husband in jail!!
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Oct 06, 2008 at 12:10 PM used to be her friend Says:
yes, i know for sure this is true. They used to live in Antwerp (he had a yeshivah there) and the daughter complained about 'it', she went off the derech at that time because of this!!!
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Oct 06, 2008 at 12:10 PM bigwheeel Says:
“ Guilty until proven inocent. ”
No! Guilty until proven GUILTY!!!
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Oct 06, 2008 at 12:08 PM bigwheeel Says:
“ Once again we are forced to ewxamine exactly who and what we are. If we protect these sick individuals we are worse then they are. ”
I can assure you that you didn't pass the BAR. Maybe you DID pass the bar [and couldn't resist the temptation to stop in for a cold Beer!!!
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Oct 06, 2008 at 12:08 PM YY BP Says:
“ THANK YOU TAHNK YOU THANK YOU !!! my soul feels alive and my 17 year old burden is begining to lift !!! ”
May HaShem heal you [and all survivors] and may we all soon be zoche to the Geulah Sheleima.
I would also like to point out the gemara Brachos 10a:
יתמו חטאים מי כתיב חוטאים? חטאים כתיב
We should pray for those abusers' souls, to have a refuah, and somehow be cured.
G'mar Chasima Tova.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 12:06 PM Infoworld Says:
“ Anon 18, how can you possibly compare a death row case of mistaken identity to a child molestation indictment before you mumbo jumbo about rachamim?
Whether this man is guilty or not is a matter for a jury, but if he was indicted for sexual misconduct against a minor, then obviously the grand jury was presented with compelling evidence.
Pray not slay. Cute rhyme. Here's another one for you. Don't have sex with young innocent boys you destroy forever because you can't control your taivos. On second thought, mine doesn't rhyme but I like it better anyhow. ”
Not going into the particulars from this case, it looks like that if you have never sat on a Grand Jury, the evidence needed for a grand jury indictment is only that it was possible to have happened, It is up to a jury at trial to decide if with all the evidence presented, that the charges did or did not occur. Indictment by grand jury alone is not evidence of anything.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 12:06 PM Mindy Says:
“ Now, That's a different story then what was posted before.
I don't believe too many will believe this story. Unfortunately too many of such stories (when a get was involved) were proven to be fabricated.
M.N.W. Yoceeach. ”
How dare you! there isn't a get involved here!!! It's people like you who let this man get away with murdering jewish souls for 17 years!!!!!!
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Oct 06, 2008 at 12:05 PM bigwheeel Says:
“ Pls lets put these sick despicable people away already. we don't want them hurting our kids for life, do we!!!!! pls there's no need to emphasize with such sick men!!!! ”
You probably meant [to say] EMPATHIZE (as opposed to EMPHASIZE, which is totally out of context) !!!
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Oct 06, 2008 at 12:30 PM I survived Says:
“ My sister was in Sem with her and well remembers the episode. She has been davenning for her ever since as it was highly traumatic. She misses her terribly and would love to get back in touch with her (she was a confidante of hers) - her comment was: YES!!! Boruch Hashem they finally got him. F.L. , if you ever read this, R.M.M. misses you! ”
Its me, the survivor, you know me, dont remember you anymore ... give me the first name ?
Thank you for remembering me !
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Oct 06, 2008 at 12:32 PM Anonymous Says:
On another note if you read or skimmed the court papers (to much hurt to read) which yeshiva employed him in 2002 in NYC
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Oct 06, 2008 at 12:03 PM InfoWorld Says:
To shaul in monsey
Not going into the particulars from this case, it looks like that if you have never sat on a Grand Jury, the evidence needed for a grand jury indictment is only that it was possible to have happened, It is up to a jury at trial to decide if with all the evidence presented, that the charges did or did not occur. Indictment by grand jury alone is not evidence of anything.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 11:59 AM Anonymous Says:
well Nuchme Rosenberg warned everybody you want this way here you go all molesters outthere that where yelling at Ren NUmchme the FBI is coming for you get ready
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Oct 06, 2008 at 11:58 AM Anonymous Says:
“ not true !! 1st we must check SHULEM BAYIS.... possible ? if the wife wants to take revange.... and also avoid the father visitaion ... that's the way g-d forbid here again !!!! I don't know.. but maybe !
atleast look in to it before blame & make judgements V'HSHEM HATOIV YECHAPER ”
You go check it all out. Perhaps you can do a better job than the FBI.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 12:07 PM bhm Says:
Excellent editorial decision to link to the actual Indictment. Let the hand-wringers of the community read the actual crimes of these individuals and then, perhaps, they will be motivated to weed out this filth from their communities. Good journalism and a real service to children.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 12:46 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Its me, the survivor, you know me, dont remember you anymore ... give me the first name ?
Thank you for remembering me ! ”
To all survivors out there - Just want you to know that those people claiming 'shulen bayis' and other absurd claims are a few lunatics who represent no one but themselves (and some are so sick they cannot legally represent even themselves.)
Anyone with any common sense knows that virtually no one claims to have been assaulted in this way unless it is true.
Keep strong. The day of 'shphot hashophtim' is here. Many frum-looking dudes are going to have to explain why they had their heads buried and their eyes and ears shut for all these years.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 12:37 PM HL Says:
I survivied: Good Luck, I guess the day finely came.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 01:02 PM news blurb Says:
“ Please define abuse, did he give his kid a "zets" because the kid ran into on-coming traffic? or did he do do something far mor despicable and un-mentionable? Please advise. ”
Well if you would have read the court papers you would see that it wasn't just giving his kid a potch for running it the street. It was for things that are chayiv misa and krisus with his daughter (hamayvin yavin). And ironically, i dont know if any of you caught the detail, but he worked in Torah Temimah for a period of time
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Oct 06, 2008 at 01:06 PM Anonymous Says:
WHERE DID THEY GET THE INFO THAT HE IS FROM THE SATMER COMUNITY FROM MONSEY???
THERE IS NO YISROEL MOSHE WEINGARTEN IN THE SATMER COMUNITY IN MONSEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Oct 06, 2008 at 01:05 PM Use Your Head Says:
“ Come on if he would have not been chasidish there wouldnt be so much noise. ”
That's right. Chassidim ostensibly are "holier" than everyone else, so it's more remarkable when an atrocity such as this takes place in their circles. Does that bother you? Why?
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Oct 06, 2008 at 01:05 PM Yuntshi Says:
seven years? what took so long? he should've been put away a long time back...
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Oct 06, 2008 at 01:04 PM AD Says:
Dear Rabbi,
As chief-editor of a news website I commend you for courageously addressing one of the worst curses plaguing our community: child abuse.
Based on the above, I would submit that the following criteria to determine whether to publish and publicize the name of a molester:
Dear Editors:
1) The abuse must be established without a shred of doubt. Because just as we must protect the potential victims of abuse, we also are obligated to protect the reputations of the innocent, and not wrongly accuse anyone without evidence or witnesses.
VIN YOU ASK A SHEILO FROM A RABBI , YOU GOT AN ANSWER AND YOU DONT KEEP IT
SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!!!!!
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Oct 06, 2008 at 01:04 PM Anonymous Says:
Without getting into the details of this particular case, the fact that a grand jury indicted proves nothing. New York’s former (Jewish) Chief Judge Sol Wachtler once said that a grand jury would easily indict a “ham sandwich.”
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Oct 06, 2008 at 01:08 PM Anonymous Says:
“ I can assure you that you didn't pass the BAR. Maybe you DID pass the bar [and couldn't resist the temptation to stop in for a cold Beer!!! ”
It's obvious that this guy calling himself "Esq." has not passes the bar, he does not know how to spell at all. read his previous logs and you will see.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 01:11 PM Leibish Says:
HANG HIM ON A LIGHT POLE. MOLLESTERS TAKE NOTICE. You do a crime ,you will do time
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Oct 06, 2008 at 01:14 PM FinVeeNemtMenSeichel Says:
“ Come on if he would have not been chasidish there wouldnt be so much noise. ”
this is the real FVNMS. Why are you using my (misspelled) name? Please be original
There would be plenty of noise no matter what community someone like this would hail from. I'm b'shita holding back from commenting on this one, because I have nothing to say other than this: Gehennom has a really nice spot reserved for somebody - either this man or the one who fabricated the charges.
Time will tell what really happened. However, one way or another it's lose-lose for those poor kids. May g-d have mercy on them and on the rest of us.
Gmar chasima tova to all, and once again: get an original name.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 01:13 PM Anonymous Says:
All the innocent until proven guilty talk is so stale. Do you really think that parents would put their children up to fabicating stories about a man who molested them and then go to the authorities to report it?? We are talking CHILDREN here. Look at the most recent stories in BP and the difficulties with the case being able to go forward because the parents refused to cooperate with the authorities. You can bet your bottom dollar that this is all true and the families going through this will allow for more children (and adults) to come forward with their own horror stories. Hashem should give you all strength. Do not be afraid.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 01:19 PM Anonymous Says:
to 11:03am "INNOCENT UNTILL PROVEN GUILTY"
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Oct 06, 2008 at 01:29 PM Perplexed Says:
I find it very difficult to comprehend all this. If all these charges are true then either this man is a monster or a very sick man. How can a person hurt his own child? How can a person no matter how sick he is, hurt his child on a daily basis? How could he have tricked his older son to make a statement to the effect that he is the victim and not the other way around? I also cannot understand the Beth Din in Monsey who issued him three summonses for which he didn't respond; what did they do then? The biggest question I have is how did he end up with custody of six of his children?
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Oct 06, 2008 at 01:33 PM FinVeeNemtMenSeichel Says:
“ That's right. Chassidim ostensibly are "holier" than everyone else, so it's more remarkable when an atrocity such as this takes place in their circles. Does that bother you? Why? ”
You don't need to react. I think #38 is trying to make trouble.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 01:32 PM yeapb Says:
F.L. - if you want to get in touch contact VIN news for my email address as they don't seem to want to post any personal information on this board!!
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Oct 06, 2008 at 01:32 PM anonymous Says:
who is he like what school did he teach in??
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Oct 06, 2008 at 01:38 PM Anonymous Says:
Sorry folks, I knwo some of you dont want to hear this, but this story is TRUE, I dont know if its the right thing to put him in jail, but how come no one did anything about it, this was going on for years and nothing was done, so i guess there was no other choice, its sad BUT TRUE!!!
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Oct 06, 2008 at 01:41 PM FinVeeNemtMenSeichel Says:
“ I find it very difficult to comprehend all this. If all these charges are true then either this man is a monster or a very sick man. How can a person hurt his own child? How can a person no matter how sick he is, hurt his child on a daily basis? How could he have tricked his older son to make a statement to the effect that he is the victim and not the other way around? I also cannot understand the Beth Din in Monsey who issued him three summonses for which he didn't respond; what did they do then? The biggest question I have is how did he end up with custody of six of his children? ”
We need answers to the obvious questions. And to daven; the very fact that, with stories such as these, the RSh"O still plans on sending Moshiach is true testament to midas hachesed.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 01:48 PM yeapb Says:
Sorry, correction - (F).L. if you want to get in touch with RMM! see post No.69. she says do you remember 'In Choron, by the Be'er...." together with R.H. and F.G.?
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Oct 06, 2008 at 01:47 PM Shaul in Monsey Says:
Having read the indictments let me be the first to go on record saying that I believe that this animal is 100% guilty, and I hope he rots in jail. It is clear thatthis Rosh Hashanna, the Ribbono Shel Olam finally determined that the jig was up for this beast. I hope he never sees another free day.
And to his victims, I wish you all the best.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 02:06 PM Anonymous Says:
NOT Guilty until proven inocent. SHMAE ON YOU FOR THIS REPORT
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Oct 06, 2008 at 02:19 PM Anonymous Says:
“ I find it very difficult to comprehend all this. If all these charges are true then either this man is a monster or a very sick man. How can a person hurt his own child? How can a person no matter how sick he is, hurt his child on a daily basis? How could he have tricked his older son to make a statement to the effect that he is the victim and not the other way around? I also cannot understand the Beth Din in Monsey who issued him three summonses for which he didn't respond; what did they do then? The biggest question I have is how did he end up with custody of six of his children? ”
The biggest question is the one that the RBS"O will ask us all one day - What did YOU do to make sure it was harder for this to happen to another child?
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Oct 06, 2008 at 02:09 PM Anonymous Says:
CAN SOMEONE TELL ME IF HE WAS A RABBI IN A YESHIVA IN SATMAR IN MONROE? SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME!!!!!!!!!
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Oct 06, 2008 at 02:41 PM Anonymous Says:
“ NOT Guilty until proven inocent. SHMAE ON YOU FOR THIS REPORT ”
There are plenty of guilty people who were not proven guilty in a court of law. Your logic would dictate that we do not need to have a Yom Kippur as a court did not PROVE us guilty of any aveira.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 02:40 PM Yalla Balagan Says:
“ at least ... oh my god .. i am going to faint !!!! ”
You see? Finally it DID happen.
Stay strong, and fight all the way until he is locked up for life.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 02:32 PM cut the c@#$ Says:
“ PLEASE don't judge anyone just because he was arrested. Do you know that many arrested, indicted, convicted, and sentenced DEATH ROW inmates were subsequently proven innocent as a result of DNA tests.
I have no clue if this person is guilty or not. I do know that it is Erev Yom Kippur and we ALL, even the holier-than-thou bloggers, need RACHMEI SHMAYIM MERIBIM!
This is a time to pray not to slay! ”
next time a chamas bomber comes your way would you like me to tell you "its a time to pray not to slay"?
If this guy is a danger and we dont stop him than YK will not be mechaper for us
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Oct 06, 2008 at 02:29 PM Anonymous Says:
For all those concerned with whether or not VIN should have posted this - Without VIN the whole thing would be one more story under the carpet.
Take a minute to see what the other yeshivish/heimish blogs are busy with today - Did Deri really drop out of the race for mayor of Jerusalem?
That's what is important to the 'velt'.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 02:26 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Sorry folks, I knwo some of you dont want to hear this, but this story is TRUE, I dont know if its the right thing to put him in jail, but how come no one did anything about it, this was going on for years and nothing was done, so i guess there was no other choice, its sad BUT TRUE!!! ”
Sounds like you knew about it and didnt do anything either
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Oct 06, 2008 at 02:24 PM Eli Says:
Having read the indictment as well as the "memorandum of law in support of the government's motion for a permanent order of detention," I must say that I honestly can not imagine a greater chillul Hashem than was caused by this man's actions over the years. May G-d heal his victims, as well as this community that has turned a blind eye to such horrific instances of abuse for so long. Thankfully, it seems that we are finally getting over our denial.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 02:23 PM JAY Says:
“ you are so right!!! were are our askunim and rabbonim to go after these dirty cheapshot women who send there husbands to prison on pure lies just to get back at the husband when they want a divorce
i went through a divorce my ex-husband gave me a very difficult time i could of had him arrested for assult i wouldnt dear do it do you now why
because the torah permits us to be mechallel shabbos to take someone out of jail i cant imagine how big the punishment will be for someone to falsly and selfishly put there husband in jail!!
”
#40 "i could of had him arrested for assult i wouldnt dear do it"
What do you mean you could of?? what a joke! if he did something you should of, and if he didnt you can not! you simply cant, you can try and make his life miserable but at the end it would play to his benefit BIGTIME!
Like you i also recenltly got divorced and my ex-wife gave me hell and tried this on me not once but twice, at the end "SHE LOST CUSTODY almost all VISITATION RIGHTS AND THE APT. SHE LIVED IN!
if your ex did assult go for it and report him, nothing wrong, if he didnt and you just want to use it as a tactic like many of you, be careful it will come back to you and hit you hard!
and, if you are the one that tryed it on me, well, i can tell you directly "MAM, NICE TRY! now go tell all your friends in your shoes shoule never ever pull this dirty shtick it dosnt work!!! the legal system knows how to investigate this BS!
read Jewish press op ed dated JAN 11 2006 title "one way ticket to legal hell" can be found in the archives on their website.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 03:01 PM Proud to be VIN Reader Says:
THANKS VIN!!!!!! Need I say more?
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Oct 06, 2008 at 03:24 PM Monsey Says:
Thank You VIN For Your Great Service To The Community. We Are Sure This Will Make Such Like-Minded Individuals Reconsider Their Abusive Acts At Least One Extra Time Before Their Committed.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 03:16 PM Anonymous Says:
First of all, I never really knew what the term "Sick to your stomach" meant until I read this indictment.
I am also wondering, to those who are saying we should be Dan Lechaf Zchus, is there anyone "defending" him or claiming that it isn't true. Did he do this to his other girls as well or did he pick his favorite? It is sickening to think of the constant fear in this poor girls life, and at the hands of the one supposed to protect her no less. Where was the mother? How did she have so many kids with him if she knew about this? Was she forced as well. Answers please????
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Oct 06, 2008 at 03:14 PM Anonymous Says:
“ #40 "i could of had him arrested for assult i wouldnt dear do it"
What do you mean you could of?? what a joke! if he did something you should of, and if he didnt you can not! you simply cant, you can try and make his life miserable but at the end it would play to his benefit BIGTIME!
Like you i also recenltly got divorced and my ex-wife gave me hell and tried this on me not once but twice, at the end "SHE LOST CUSTODY almost all VISITATION RIGHTS AND THE APT. SHE LIVED IN!
if your ex did assult go for it and report him, nothing wrong, if he didnt and you just want to use it as a tactic like many of you, be careful it will come back to you and hit you hard!
and, if you are the one that tryed it on me, well, i can tell you directly "MAM, NICE TRY! now go tell all your friends in your shoes shoule never ever pull this dirty shtick it dosnt work!!! the legal system knows how to investigate this BS!
read Jewish press op ed dated JAN 11 2006 title "one way ticket to legal hell" can be found in the archives on their website.
”
Yah, Yah.
No frum child was ever molested, no frum husband ever abuse his wife, etc, etc.
It is a all made up stories by angry women.
What a bunch of losers. The guys posting this nonsense are probably the same guys with 'personal issues', vehamaivin yovin, who are angry at every woman who ever lived, particularly those who were tricked into marrying them and now know their dirty little secret.
Keep going, guys. The more stupidity like this you write the more you have us wondering who trained knuckle-dragging Neanderthals to use the Internet.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 03:37 PM Anonymous Says:
“ next time a chamas bomber comes your way would you like me to tell you "its a time to pray not to slay"?
If this guy is a danger and we dont stop him than YK will not be mechaper for us ”
I have no qualms about stopping a "roidef" by all available means, but the allegations in the indictment are at least 10 years old. So the analogy is way off.
This case is so ugly and murky that I can't even comprehend it.
I still urge everyone to pray and not slay.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 03:47 PM Shaul in Monsey Says:
To elaborate on one point, there seems to be this groundswell from the incoherently naive as to the presumption that this thing, the indicted incestuous pederast, is innocent until proven guilty.
If I walk over to my neighbors house, pick up a rock, and throw it through his window, and he calls the cops and files a complaint, I'm innocent until proven guilty also. But does that mean for one second thata I'm not guilty?
Let me also point out that I've never been indicted for raping my own flesh and blood repeatedly like a filthy pig. And there's a very good reason for that. Its because I've never perpetrated so heinous a crime. If this p'er odom was indicted for this crime based on the eyewitness testimony of the victim, then innocent until proven guilty may be the presumption the courts must apply until the rapist has had a chance to defend himself, but if you think for one second I'm not vilify him because he's a pederast, you're crazy.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 03:45 PM Perplexed Says:
“ First of all, I never really knew what the term "Sick to your stomach" meant until I read this indictment.
I am also wondering, to those who are saying we should be Dan Lechaf Zchus, is there anyone "defending" him or claiming that it isn't true. Did he do this to his other girls as well or did he pick his favorite? It is sickening to think of the constant fear in this poor girls life, and at the hands of the one supposed to protect her no less. Where was the mother? How did she have so many kids with him if she knew about this? Was she forced as well. Answers please???? ”
When her mother knew, then she did try to do something and eventually got away from him without her children. It seems that he was able to manipulate his wife into believing him and also to manipulate others, because how does such a person get "friends" to help him? If all this is true then he is a master manipulater besides being a very sick man.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 03:52 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Mr Dov Hikind,
This will prove to you why you need to keep fighting and have these bad people jailed for life.
”
he was already indicted a few years ago, and it was later dismiised, this is nothing more than a messy divorce case.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 04:00 PM Anonymous Says:
88 you are ridiculous. No one is claiming that NO child was molested or NO man ever abused a wife. But it is silly for you to act like there are NO vindictive wives out there because there ARE and you know it.
92: Are you claiming someone MADE up all this stuff????
And just wondering........did you "DO" all his kids or was this one his "pet"
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Oct 06, 2008 at 04:12 PM ML Says:
“ he was already indicted a few years ago, and it was later dismiised, this is nothing more than a messy divorce case. ”
You are probably hiding some skeletons in your closet as well.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 04:11 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Yah, Yah.
No frum child was ever molested, no frum husband ever abuse his wife, etc, etc.
It is a all made up stories by angry women.
What a bunch of losers. The guys posting this nonsense are probably the same guys with 'personal issues', vehamaivin yovin, who are angry at every woman who ever lived, particularly those who were tricked into marrying them and now know their dirty little secret.
Keep going, guys. The more stupidity like this you write the more you have us wondering who trained knuckle-dragging Neanderthals to use the Internet.
”
oh really??????????? well i lived in a house of terror with my frum "chassidish" father!!!!!! and im not the only one!!!!!!!
you nutcase!!!!
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Oct 06, 2008 at 04:04 PM shmiel glassman Says:
OY LANU!!!!!!!!!!!!THIS REPORT READS LIKE A PAGE IN "EICHA"
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Oct 06, 2008 at 04:34 PM Anonymous Says:
Sick sick sick! May he rot in hell for the rest of eternity. I hope he is treated in jail the same way he treated his own flesh and blood. The whole satmar community should be in shock and anger over this abuse!
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Oct 06, 2008 at 04:26 PM I Survived Says:
“ I survivied: Good Luck, I guess the day finely came. ”
Thank you so much HL for your kind words!
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Oct 06, 2008 at 04:15 PM Anonymous Says:
93,
i am not 92, but the truth of the matter is that they claimed all this a while ago. and as a matter of fact the mother lost custody in COURT.
even after this daughter testified.
so i am just wondering if its not another messy divorce...
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Oct 06, 2008 at 04:13 PM Anonymous Says:
read the court papers my heart goes out for this innocent daughter of this idiot
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Oct 06, 2008 at 04:09 PM Anonymous Says:
To all the skeptics:
READ THE COURT PAPERS! If your stomach is strong enough.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 04:42 PM JAY Says:
“ Yah, Yah.
No frum child was ever molested, no frum husband ever abuse his wife, etc, etc.
It is a all made up stories by angry women.
What a bunch of losers. The guys posting this nonsense are probably the same guys with 'personal issues', vehamaivin yovin, who are angry at every woman who ever lived, particularly those who were tricked into marrying them and now know their dirty little secret.
Keep going, guys. The more stupidity like this you write the more you have us wondering who trained knuckle-dragging Neanderthals to use the Internet.
”
Of course there are these cases of spousel abuse and child molestation..
YOU MISREAD my reply to #40! and my added personal expirance, on someone that tryed falsley on me this shtick.. sorry that something ticked you off, I wonder what happenied to you in your personal life...
Unfortunately, like in my case there are many more, woman that are cooking and using these stories as a nasty tactic gain advantage in their divorces! That doesn’t say that unfortunately there aren’t true stories to…
READ AGAIN WHAT I WROTE!
"if your ex did assult go for it and report him, nothing wrong", if he didnt and you just want to use it as a tactic like many of you, be careful it will come back to you and hit you hard!"
and, if you are the one that tryed it on me, well, i can tell you directly "MAM, NICE TRY! now go tell all your friends in your shoes shoule never ever pull this dirty shtick it dosnt work!!! the legal system knows how to investigate this BS!
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Oct 06, 2008 at 04:40 PM truth seeker Says:
for all you people who claim they knew the man and the things he did are true beware because you can be arrested for obstruction accomplice conspiracy among other charges
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Oct 06, 2008 at 04:56 PM Teiere Yidden, Says:
If only you knew the filthy details of this case! The oldest daughter, who R'L went off the derech from her Tzoros, is filing the case, but the greater horror is that he divorced his wife, got custody of his kids, and LIVES WITH HIS DAUGHTERS IN THE FULLEST SENSE OF THE WORD!!!! The man is an Ashmedei. I think it's unfair to call him Satmar as he doesn't step into a Bais Medrish for the last 6 years in fear of being arrested. He was hounded out of Antwerp, London, and Bet Shemesh as soon as the stories began to circulate about his actions. His poor abused, terrified wife lives and works in Monsey and all who know her can testify to what a real lady she is - living in one city with her children and knowing they are living with their father. He is a world master mind manipulater - just ask those bochurim who learned in his Yeshiva in Belgium. (Besides being a relentless molester of bochurim). The stories will yet come out - give it a chance. Hashem has chosen this time of the year for the world to see that there is justice on earth and the evil will be punished not only in the hereafter, but in this world too!
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Oct 06, 2008 at 04:56 PM ML Says:
“ for all you people who claim they knew the man and the things he did are true beware because you can be arrested for obstruction accomplice conspiracy among other charges ”
Who said we didn't work to get this monster locked up?
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Oct 06, 2008 at 04:56 PM fluffy dan Says:
from the court documents, it looks to me that the Satmar community in kiryas Joel and Monsey is cooperating with the authorities. It isn't right to point the finger at them.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 04:49 PM I survived Says:
“ 93,
i am not 92, but the truth of the matter is that they claimed all this a while ago. and as a matter of fact the mother lost custody in COURT.
even after this daughter testified.
so i am just wondering if its not another messy divorce... ”
the mother never lost custody ... speak of what you know ...
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Oct 06, 2008 at 04:45 PM I survived Says:
“ 93,
i am not 92, but the truth of the matter is that they claimed all this a while ago. and as a matter of fact the mother lost custody in COURT.
even after this daughter testified.
so i am just wondering if its not another messy divorce... ”
Speak of what you know, the daughter (which is ME) did not testify in court for her mother, becuase he was to afraid of me after the pre-depostion... he stopped the court case agains my mother .... and you most be protecting molestors for a reason !
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Oct 06, 2008 at 04:44 PM awacs Says:
Hmmmm. ...
The crime is alleged to have occurred in ... 1997.
The victim was born in 1981. 18 years old in 1999.
Hasn't the statute run in this case?
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Oct 06, 2008 at 03:54 PM RU Savvy Says:
Is anyone as flabbergasted as I was to learn that this monster was hired by Yeshiva Torah Temimah (see second court doc) in 2002? Or is it that no one is really surprised.
What is it with Torah Temimah? Why is Torah Temimah a magnet for child molesters? Is it because they know they'll be given cover and protection? There is something VERY VERY wrong with that school.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 05:08 PM Antwerp dude Says:
1 of 4 (too much text i guess)
Readers,
I lived in Antwerp just as Mr. Weingarten did, I was his neighbor living not far from the house he lived in (Lange Herentalse str.), I saw his kids (as well as FL & I don’t remember his oldest boy's name) almost everyday (the son with short pants from very early age, because off course their father is so "FRUM), My heart always went out for them as there was something in their eyes... there SCREAMING silently...
Years later when the story came out in Antwerp, the town was sick to their stomach, however they were divided into believers and non-believers, slowly slowly all of them turned into believers when no one can say "not true" to facts! He lost ALL his friends/ Chassidim he had to close his yeshiva, and the greatest rabbonim of Antwerp -who don’t just judge easily- were convinced that him sexually molesting his children (in the FIRST degree) was indeed true. he then did what any pervert does, and escaped to a new place, new town, where no one knows his bad deeds of the past and tries to start all over again, not only with his life but with the molestation as well!
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Oct 06, 2008 at 05:08 PM Antwerp dude Says:
2 of 4
His poor daughter, while still in Antwerp, going thru these horrific experiences, was seeking to get away, from what I remember she ran away from home, lived by someone else (who's name I wont disclose here) and then they want to give her some good time, peace and quiet away from Antwerp, she went to the seminary in England, but her father the ROSHO, could not stand her being just a lil bit happy, destroyed that as well... one thing I gotta hand the man, he's got guts that no one else does! she finally found a close neighbor and his wife that was willing to listen to her trouble and try to guide to the best of their ability, Mr. Weingarten then made up a tape on this man (btw, he is great in forging tapes! he know all kinda tricks on bugging his own house as well as others) so to say that that man had an interest in his daughter, Mr. Weingarten was always determined to cover up his bad deeds no matter how many souls he will kill on da way. He always oppressed his wife and kids, they were never independent, his wife was not allowed on da street with his prior approval.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 05:09 PM Antwerp dude Says:
3 of 4
after I heard (still in Antwerp) what he did to FL, I wanted to punch him in his face with my own hands, I called him up, and told him I want to meet with him (the reason I gave him was something that he could believe, hence his willingness to do so) unfortunately while I talked with him, I DID NOT have the guts to punch him, however, I told him in his face what I think of him and I believe he did, Mr. W. was shocked!! No one EVER talked to him like that!! to this day and date, while he has some (limited) contact with my family, he never had the guts to look me in the eye, at an occasion, when he was supposed to meet my family he would ask before if I'm there, what a COWARD! Gutsy he is to his own innocent and weak children but will never own up to any wrongdoing!
This is the kind of man that will never go with a Hooker on da street because "s'past nisht" but wont doubt to ruin his daughter for LIFE to satisfy his dirty Ta'avos!!
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Oct 06, 2008 at 05:09 PM Antwerp dude Says:
4 of 4
He then moved to Monsey where he started.....
Anyway, this post is becoming to long and should not be a biography on him.
to sum it up, this is all true, the FBI has been working on this case for over 5 years, many rabonim in Antwerp (satmar dayan included) as well as this neighbor that I mentioned earlier were asked to tell what they know, the FBI seemed to have known EVERYTHING about this case, including forged tapes -in Yiddish- Mr. W. has produced on his enemies, this is not "just another case" Boruch hashem they finally got him, it want help on the PHYSICAL wounds he caused his family (wife daughters, and sons) but will bring just a LITTLE bit relief on the such strong emotional pain he has brought upon them. Justice is served!
May this be a sign for an upcoming happy year for all of his family and for klal Yisroel!
The Antwerp dude
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Oct 06, 2008 at 05:10 PM I survived Says:
“ Hmmmm. ...
The crime is alleged to have occurred in ... 1997.
The victim was born in 1981. 18 years old in 1999.
Hasn't the statute run in this case? ”
wow , that is your biggest concern ??? are you one just like him ???
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Oct 06, 2008 at 05:15 PM Boomy Says:
Whenever there is a story about someone who murdered 6 people there is always the crazy neighbor that says to the media howwonderful the murderer is because he says good morning to everyone and these people alwyas go on to say how they have a hard time believeing that their nighbor can murder anyone and all the dan lkaf zechus garbage.
To all the defenders if molestors get this straight once and for all. We agree that sometimes it is just shocking when you find out about a mr. x doing horrible things but get over it. Just because a guy has a beard down to the floor and buys his yarmulkeh with five hashgochos on it has nothing to do with you be;ieveing or not believeing. When the FBI goes to someones home thank g-d they do not first read blogs on this site o determine how many people believe if a person commited a crime or not.
The last time I checked the FBI arrests people when they have strong evidence or other strong type of legal stuff which warrants them to do what they have to do.
The guy with the long beard from monsey shocked us too when he sold us trief for 11 years.
The guy from yeshiva Torah Temimah who also has a beard and big yarmulkeh is accused of molesting children too.
I assume that people who do crimes and just happen to have big beards who daven in big shuls and get honored by big dinners can't do horrible things.
It would be nice if these people who hide behind the jewish cloak were wearing no yarmulkehs, and did not daven in an orthodox shul when they commit their sick crimes so we would not have to be "shocked".
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Oct 06, 2008 at 05:13 PM Anonymous Says:
this is so ridiculous!!! how can a human do sucha thing to his own flesh and blood!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Oct 06, 2008 at 05:13 PM Anonymous Says:
I Survived,
i am 99, i admit to not knowing the nitty details, and i have no opinion on the matter.
but dont the children live with him?
i just remember that in the middle of a din torah in mchon lehoyrae, the mother got a heter of i think it was R' yechezkel gold to take the matter to court. again i dont know the details more then listening to ppl arguing about it, about 2 or 3 years ago, i knew then ppl who were fighting on both sides thats all.
if its true i am sorry for you and glad that you survived.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 05:20 PM yankel from monsey Says:
antwerp dude. i have only one question to u. i live in monsey and know the story for a very long time. if all ur story is true why r all the the kids togather except the oldest against the mother??? i spoke to the mother friend today and she told me she hopes that this story will turn around the page and the will start looking at her side.....
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Oct 06, 2008 at 05:24 PM Anonymous Says:
Where is everyone quoting the court papers from? Is there someone where I can access it online?
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Oct 06, 2008 at 05:37 PM Anonymous Says:
I am sick to my stomache after reading about this story. This is a story that would even horrify the goyim - and to find it within our midst.
For those defending this animal - knock yourself out. Such a person does not need any "innocent before proven guilty" if you read the documents. The FBI doesn't spend years on a case that's supposedly made up by an x spouse.
For the daughter, I hope you got and if you still need, get a lot of therapy. Reading about it has made me sick - I could just try to imagine what it did to you. Hashem should help you find solace and peace.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 05:34 PM Mindy Says:
“ antwerp dude. i have only one question to u. i live in monsey and know the story for a very long time. if all ur story is true why r all the the kids togather except the oldest against the mother??? i spoke to the mother friend today and she told me she hopes that this story will turn around the page and the will start looking at her side..... ”
yankel from monsey; what does "TURN AROUND THE PAGE" mean? also, may you never know what it means to live with a professional manipulator who will threaten to kill you if you turn on him....
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Oct 06, 2008 at 05:44 PM Anonymous Says:
yes how can we look at the court papers
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Oct 06, 2008 at 05:49 PM yankel from monsey Says:
turn the page around and HER KIDS will start looking at her. if every thing is true why are they with him and not with her. the kids dont have any comunication at all with her WHY????
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Oct 06, 2008 at 06:01 PM Mindy Says:
“ turn the page around and HER KIDS will start looking at her. if every thing is true why are they with him and not with her. the kids dont have any comunication at all with her WHY???? ”
yankel from monsey, I'm afraid you were harboring him all these years...if you don't know what "harboring" means "TURN AROUND" the pages in the dictionary.....
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Oct 06, 2008 at 05:56 PM Antwerp dude Says:
“ antwerp dude. i have only one question to u. i live in monsey and know the story for a very long time. if all ur story is true why r all the the kids togather except the oldest against the mother??? i spoke to the mother friend today and she told me she hopes that this story will turn around the page and the will start looking at her side..... ”
Yankel, I also live in Monsey now, I can not answer your question as to why the kids are under his control, what I COULD tell you however is: this person is an ENORMOUS manipulator, I'm not just saying this because "I heard" or "ppl say so" I know first hand experience! as i mentioned in my post I knew him on a first hand basis, there's doubt in my mind that they are being manipulated & threatend by him constantly & on a regular basis. again, i do not know the kids positions and why they continued living with him, but I will NOT be surprised -if he remains indeed arrested, & the kids will no longer feel threatend- if the kids will go over to live with their mother and open up and tell the FBI more hoirrific stories that they themselves have experienced... (if they will even feel slightly threatend that he will come out of this free, then off course they will not say a word out of fear!)
to all you guys out there, if you can understand the etails and the magnitude of the abuse that went on ion this family, then just BE HAPPY, because it means that you didnt experience it! Thank hashem!
unfortunately, other DID experience it, and the FBI does NOT take there information from the Mikva news or from ladies tea party, it MUST be based on evidence, and they have been in Anwterp for a long time questioning rabonim and all those involved.
The Antwerp dude
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Oct 06, 2008 at 05:56 PM smelly fish Says:
let him rott away. his own daughter? meshiguem dont belong to be free. zol er gein in gehenem
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Oct 06, 2008 at 05:52 PM Anonymous Says:
“ oh really??????????? well i lived in a house of terror with my frum "chassidish" father!!!!!! and im not the only one!!!!!!!
you nutcase!!!! ”
Apparently you missed the point of my remarks. My point was that the Neanderthals claiming it is all fiction are the same few people with 'personal issues', vehamaivin yovin, who always side with every husband who is trying to keep his wife by force.
To our credit, our society is still very inhospitable to people with certain 'personal issues'. Faced with the choice of leaving the kehilla or staying and pretending to be normal, many men stay, get married and reveal themselves to be woman-hating losers when the wife, nebach, finds out the truth.
Take a look at all the m en you've heard about who withheld a Get for all the usual excuses: She turned the kids against me, the bais din was crooked, she brainwashed the kids, yada yada yada.
Do you know how few of them went on to have normal relationships with other women??
How do these guys not have a problem staying married but not married for the years and even decades of their lives in which normal men have normal relationships, vhmvnyv"n.???
How??? Because none of them are NORMAL! Whatever it is they want or need in life cannot be provided to them in marraige to a normal person anyway, so they don't need marraige. But the blame their poor wives for causing them to be that way and are filled with anger that their wives know the TRUTH about them.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 06:07 PM moshe mulva Says:
why couldn't they wait until after Yom Kippur?...perhaps he would have done Vidiu?
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Oct 06, 2008 at 06:26 PM Anonymous Says:
“ yes how can we look at the court papers ”
There are two links at the bottom of the article. Right before the U/D and where the comments start.
Those two links will take you to the court papers.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 06:16 PM Anonymous Says:
"INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY" ALSO APPLIES TO A FELLOW YID!!!
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Oct 06, 2008 at 06:32 PM Anonymous Says:
“ "INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY" ALSO APPLIES TO A FELLOW YID!!! ”
"INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY" is relevant in a court of law. When it comes to protecting our children and our society CHABDAIHU VECHASHDAIHU is a much more appropriate response.
Unless, of course, you are speaking on behalf of a skeleton in your closet.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 06:52 PM yiddishe bubby Says:
it took so long to bring this out because up until now no one wanted to believe that "helige" people would do this. Yasher Koach to VIN to print this and maybe this will bring shame to these people, it is about time
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Oct 06, 2008 at 07:33 PM Mom in Boro Park Says:
My heart is with the "wife" and girls, and other children.
May Hashem help them get the strength they need to move on and lead a productive life. Publicizing this man and others like him will help anyone in a similar situation to come forward, get the help they need, and see justice served.
We dare not be silent! Torture and abuse can no longer be tolerated!
If everyone would try to reach out and help and approach this with an understanding manner, there would be no more suffering of this sort.
Why isn't there an organization that reaches out to CHILDREN? Children speak the truth, and you can look into the eyes of a suffering child and see the abuse without speaking to them! Every child should have an adult mentor (outside of the family) to speak to!
There are unfortunately too many cases of incest and abuse, going on regularly.
These victims are never the same. More needs to be done! One victim is one too many!
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Oct 06, 2008 at 07:32 PM gangster Says:
sick world we live in parents raping there old children oy gevald what has this world came to
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Oct 06, 2008 at 07:26 PM Anonymous Says:
I totally velive all this unfortunately but what I don't understand is why the kids are stilll living with him. It just doesn't make sense. Even if he is threatening them, what can he threaten them that he'll kill them? Wouldn't most teenagers being molested or raped by anyone especially their own flesh and blood rather be dead then go through that total torture. Do these girls go to school, do they have friends? They must know this isn't normal behavior no matter what that animal told them. How did the mother lose custody if as you say, and I believe, she is a terrified hard working woman?????????????
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Oct 06, 2008 at 07:19 PM itsme Says:
“ "INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY" ALSO APPLIES TO A FELLOW YID!!! ”
he is not innocent i know him very well....he is a sick man..
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Oct 06, 2008 at 07:15 PM itsme Says:
i know him very very well.. he is a sick crazy man,, and im am very heppy what heppend to him b"h...and i know him for 10 yr.and evrything is true...i know it for a fact. his wife and kids suffered for many yr....at the end there is a g-d
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Oct 06, 2008 at 07:46 PM Esq. Says:
My grandmother, now in her late 90's told me a story of a father with his own daughter. That had to be 80 yrs ago. This is nothing new. It is only with automatic transfer of info on the web that we are made aware of it. Human nature will always have an evil side. We all have to conquer our demons and the weaker among us landes up on page 1.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 07:45 PM Anonymous Says:
I read the court doc. but i might have missed some things, did he only molest his daughter or other kids too?
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Oct 06, 2008 at 06:46 PM Shaul in Monsey Says:
To the victim, I want to post something and I hope you read this. Much of the talk will focus on the animal that did this to you. There will be many questions, and few answers - even fewer adequate answers.
To you, I want you to know how special you are. The world, indeed, was created for you. As you heal, as you grow, as you realize your true potential, I hope you find the beauty inside you that has only temporarily been supressed.
May you know of only a life of happiness and peace for all the rets of your days. There can be no mistaking the timing, the utter and sheer beautiful timing, of the day your freedom began. If I ever have the zchus of meeting you in person, I hope to learn even more of the example you are setting of someone who can overcome the depths of hell to survive and move on.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 06:43 PM library lover Says:
Justice may or may not be served her..but SHAME on our community for driving away pple like Bentzion Twerski and Nuchem Rosenberg, and allowing these filthy ppl to go free...this is why he got away with it for so long, and I hope he gets exactly what he gave this poor child, in prison!! Gmar TOV!
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Oct 06, 2008 at 06:40 PM Shaul from Monsey Says:
“ why couldn't they wait until after Yom Kippur?...perhaps he would have done Vidiu? ”
There is no vidui for raping your own daughter. Let us all daven that this beheimeh suffers to no end. I hereby call on any cell mates of latino or prefereably black persuasion, to marry this animal in a standard jailhouse ceremony and enslave him until he bleeds out.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 06:38 PM formely Says:
this sadly is an or another example why one must go to the police when they are abused, the rebbies are where helpless, in addition what can they do throw him out of the community. Big deal he just moves to another community, state, country, and continues to abuse.
Not sure how many cases is needed to finally wake up the community
GO TO THE POLICE.
To those that say do not say anything because of sholem bais, are you mental, crazy, stupid or all the above. How can there be sholem bais in a case like this. In addition as far a revua, statically
child abuser have a 90% chance of doing it again.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 06:38 PM Shaul from Monsey Says:
“ turn the page around and HER KIDS will start looking at her. if every thing is true why are they with him and not with her. the kids dont have any comunication at all with her WHY???? ”
Yankel, its very common for these types of manipulative people to convince the children involved that the innocent parent is really the villain. Fits perfectly with this animal's profile in fact. Your kasha is no kasha at all, fahkert, its a rayeh to the lengths this filthy animal went to be able to continuosly rape his own child.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 06:35 PM antwerp dude #2 Says:
dude we must know each other, i also used to live very close to him and i remeber very well the rumors. however i don't recall if anything was proven. and if he is a molester how come we don't hear any complains from his talmidim at the time ? i'm not saying he's innocent, i just don't know if hes guilty
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Oct 06, 2008 at 07:58 PM itsme Says:
“ dude we must know each other, i also used to live very close to him and i remeber very well the rumors. however i don't recall if anything was proven. and if he is a molester how come we don't hear any complains from his talmidim at the time ? i'm not saying he's innocent, i just don't know if hes guilty ”
its not about his talmidim...its his kids that he did it 2..
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Oct 06, 2008 at 08:40 PM goilem Says:
I know too much about this case, and i'm not going to write here about the case as i believe it will be proven and he will finally find his resting place where he is long overdue.
I would just like to note one small anecdote. Its good for weingarten that most of the readers and writers here are under 40. If we would've had here more CHASIDIC people 50 and over, especially from the satmar community, boy would we have stories here about him.
Dont believe me. if you happen to know any one of about 57-60 yrs old who learned in satmar yeshiva, just ask him if he remembers yisroel moishe weingarten. chances are he will, plus some good stories to add to that.
I just hope that this will be a new start for the children, especially those who were under his dictatorship until now. let hashem help them find healing and the right mentors, and let them reconcile with their mother, who is a very special women from whom they have a lot to learn, and lets all hear better stories then this one, omein.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 08:59 PM Anonymous Says:
THere are some people on this blog who wrote previously and claim that they "knew the father wdid this and was a sick person for 10 years....."
IF ANYONE KNEW ABOUT THIS CASE AND DID NOTHING ABOUT IT BY AT LEAST CALLING THE POLICE 10 YEARS AGO THEN YOU SHOULD ALSO BE LOCKED UP FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE.
How many people know of wife beaters and do nothing and honor these low life s.o.b's in shul?
When there are FACTS about people molesting or beating up their wife or when it's the other way around how can anyone sleep at night by not getting either the police or a jewish organizaqtion invovled?
Does anyone care about helping people anymore or do we wait 10 years to fianlly see the "news" on vos iz neias?
It is time for this site to be called oyvaysmere.com
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Oct 06, 2008 at 09:26 PM bigwheeel Says:
“ There is no vidui for raping your own daughter. Let us all daven that this beheimeh suffers to no end. I hereby call on any cell mates of latino or prefereably black persuasion, to marry this animal in a standard jailhouse ceremony and enslave him until he bleeds out. ”
That's a little [too] graphic and harsh!!!
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Oct 06, 2008 at 09:22 PM bigwheeel Says:
“ dude we must know each other, i also used to live very close to him and i remeber very well the rumors. however i don't recall if anything was proven. and if he is a molester how come we don't hear any complains from his talmidim at the time ? i'm not saying he's innocent, i just don't know if hes guilty ”
Sorry! There's no in-between. Either he's innocent or guilty!!! (shhh. I'm voting GUILTY as hell!!!!!!!!!!!)
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Oct 06, 2008 at 09:46 PM mendel Says:
why federal?
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Oct 06, 2008 at 09:44 PM Shaul in Monsey Says:
“ That's a little [too] graphic and harsh!!! ”
Sugarcoating what this lowlife did helps no one. Pederasts like this rasha rely on people like you to hushhush and shush shush because its just too much to handle.
As for my open call to his cellmates, I assure you I restrained myself, as the sysop can attest, many of my posts never see the light of day.
Lets not kid ourselves. That this happened in tthe frum community is disgraceful. Period. Inexcusable, and clearly on the top 10 list of why moshiach is not here. I'm not going to ease up on my words when this beheimeh, this chayiv meesah was meakeiv my geulah.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 09:42 PM Anonymous Says:
“ That's a little [too] graphic and harsh!!! ”
So let us rephrase that for you:
“ As there is no vidui appropriate for the sin of raping your own daughter, let us all pray that this fine specimen of bovine fecal matter suffers appropriatly. I hereby call on any cell mates regardless of race, color, faith or sexual orientation to enhance Mr. Weingarten's jailhouse experience by including him in standard jailhouse recreation rituals including those in which one showering inmate drops his soap and another assists him connecting with the feminine aspects of his personality.'
Better?
That's a little [too] graphic and harsh!!!
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Oct 06, 2008 at 10:02 PM Anonymous Says:
“ why federal? ”
Crossing state lines or international lines with a minor for the purpose of engaging in sexual contact with a minor is a federal offense. In this case it was his minor child.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 10:20 PM Anonymous Says:
Where are the rabbis when you need them or are they too busy telling you not to wear this wig or listen to this music or any of there other farkaked halachos
but hey molest kids thats fine that is their psak
god is the true judge lets see what he will give these animals
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Oct 06, 2008 at 10:37 PM Anonymous Says:
How old is this animal?
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Oct 06, 2008 at 10:40 PM A survivor Says:
To "I survived"-- You are an amazing and strong young woman. It took a lot of courage to tell what happened to you. May your life be blessed in every way from this time forward.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 11:12 PM Antwerp dude Says:
“ dude we must know each other, i also used to live very close to him and i remeber very well the rumors. however i don't recall if anything was proven. and if he is a molester how come we don't hear any complains from his talmidim at the time ? i'm not saying he's innocent, i just don't know if hes guilty ”
I can not confirm whether he molested his Talmidim or not, I could tell you however that I never heard any accusation that he molested his talmidim, and to the question of "how come" there's no contradiction here, just because he molested his own daughter doesnt mean that young BOYS trun him on, it doesnt make him gay, the main things that he got aprehended, and the most importnat thing will be if his family is assured that he will NOT get out. because if they will think that there's even the slightest chance that he will get out, they will continue to live in fear and will not reveal anything morwe about him, the only reason F. L. is as strong as she is is because she hasnt been under his reginme for such a long time (im not speaking on her behalf I'm just analyzing), may the family be blessed with true happiness for the upcoming year.
The Antwerp Dude
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Oct 06, 2008 at 11:40 PM Anonymous Says:
“ To you nuts assuming the wife is trying to force a Get and is making up stories - We all see what is the first thing on your mind.
Are you a few of the husbands with 'personal issues' we hate all women because the one's who were cursed with being married to you now know the truth about you? ”
for evryones info she has a get a while ago and he is a piece of garbage, go nuchem get back on your throne
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Oct 06, 2008 at 11:39 PM Anonymous Says:
I taught a girl in 8th grade who explained to her 4th grade teacher just why she was so tired every day in school. She really thought she was Daddy's special little girl, and to this day she adores him. She's now an adult & I heard she got married. How, I don't know.
I want to know why the Rabbonim in Antwerp, and indeed, everyone who seems to have known about this monster, didn't go to the police. Surely al pi halacha there is no meseira involved here. More like pikuach nefesh. Howcan they/you all live with themselves?
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Oct 06, 2008 at 11:44 PM I survived Says:
“ I can not confirm whether he molested his Talmidim or not, I could tell you however that I never heard any accusation that he molested his talmidim, and to the question of "how come" there's no contradiction here, just because he molested his own daughter doesnt mean that young BOYS trun him on, it doesnt make him gay, the main things that he got aprehended, and the most importnat thing will be if his family is assured that he will NOT get out. because if they will think that there's even the slightest chance that he will get out, they will continue to live in fear and will not reveal anything morwe about him, the only reason F. L. is as strong as she is is because she hasnt been under his reginme for such a long time (im not speaking on her behalf I'm just analyzing), may the family be blessed with true happiness for the upcoming year.
The Antwerp Dude ”
Antwerp dude, i have been following all your posts, it's pretty amazing how you understand this situation and i was saying the same thing to my loved ones today about my siblings. You have an incredible understanding about mine and my family's life. Thanks for your kind words and support. and you are right, i am strong because i have been away for a long time and because of my loved ones around me. Thank you Antwerp dude and how do you know all this that is so close to home ? we are truly surprised !
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Oct 06, 2008 at 11:44 PM Anonymous Says:
Now only if the rabbonim in Balto. would believe the girl/woman who says the same thing about her "chosuva" father. It's time for the american rabbonim to do what these rabbonim have done. Let's stop throwing things we don't want to hear or talk about under the carpet.
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Oct 06, 2008 at 11:15 PM goilem Says:
just 1 word to all who ask where were the rabbis.
i know this case first hand. the rabbis did whatever they could to stop this maniac. and i will repeat again. THE RABBIS (in monsey, belgium & israel) DID WHATEVER THEY COULD TO STOP THIS PERSON. including publishing a psak that its a mitzva to testify in court against weingarten.
unfortunatly we are in golus and sometimes it takes the fbi five hard years of work to stop such a person.
we should b don l'kaf zchus the rabbis
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Oct 07, 2008 at 12:14 AM Anonymous Says:
“ just 1 word to all who ask where were the rabbis.
i know this case first hand. the rabbis did whatever they could to stop this maniac. and i will repeat again. THE RABBIS (in monsey, belgium & israel) DID WHATEVER THEY COULD TO STOP THIS PERSON. including publishing a psak that its a mitzva to testify in court against weingarten.
unfortunatly we are in golus and sometimes it takes the fbi five hard years of work to stop such a person.
we should b don l'kaf zchus the rabbis ”
Issuing a Psak telling others it's OK to testify is just passing the buck. THEY should have been so horrified they went to the cops. Except they didn't. What were they afraid of?
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Oct 07, 2008 at 12:13 AM Anonymous Says:
Yo, Golem, whattabout going to the police, huh? Maybe next time they will figure out that Psaks take you NOWHERE.
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Oct 07, 2008 at 12:11 AM Anonymous Says:
Anyone know where in Monsey he lived?
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Oct 07, 2008 at 12:10 AM Shaul in Monsey Says:
It is being reported that the animal pederast has been remanded without bail, and the very real prospect of his sitting in jail for the yomim tovim warms my heart. A few points-
The judge denied bail in part because the beast resisted arrest this morning. True to himself till the end, a coward, already the beheima is starting to see that his life as he knew it is over.
It is also being reported the Kenny Gribetz is representing the beheima. Kenny, you have a lot to do teshuva for, and hopefully the years since you were disgraced have served as a kapparah for the past, you owe it to yourself and your family, the kids, aineklech, to let someone else get their hands dirty.
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Oct 07, 2008 at 12:09 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Guilty until proven inocent. ”
say that when it comes to your child (g-d forbid!
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Oct 07, 2008 at 01:36 AM I survived Says:
“ this sadly is an or another example why one must go to the police when they are abused, the rebbies are where helpless, in addition what can they do throw him out of the community. Big deal he just moves to another community, state, country, and continues to abuse.
Not sure how many cases is needed to finally wake up the community
GO TO THE POLICE.
To those that say do not say anything because of sholem bais, are you mental, crazy, stupid or all the above. How can there be sholem bais in a case like this. In addition as far a revua, statically
child abuser have a 90% chance of doing it again. ”
I didnt go to the police beause of threats that i will be expelled from the community for the rest of my life and never be able to get married. My siblings would be kicked out of school and i would be commiting a big "aveireh" of chilul hashem.. i felt guilty to commit a crime of chilul hashem ... I finally called the cops at a later age when i was almost kidnapped and my dear principal and family were beaten .. at that point i didnt care who would marry me .. i wanted those caring people to saved from the deamon's hands...
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Oct 07, 2008 at 02:13 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Please define abuse, did he give his kid a "zets" because the kid ran into on-coming traffic? or did he do do something far mor despicable and un-mentionable? Please advise. ”
Read the indictment. It is very clear
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Oct 07, 2008 at 02:08 AM Anonymous Says:
TO ALL THOSE WHO SAY "INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY"..........
I have one question to ask you............
Are you willing to send your children to him for private bar mitzva lessons?
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Oct 07, 2008 at 01:53 AM Antwerp dude Says:
“ I didnt go to the police beause of threats that i will be expelled from the community for the rest of my life and never be able to get married. My siblings would be kicked out of school and i would be commiting a big "aveireh" of chilul hashem.. i felt guilty to commit a crime of chilul hashem ... I finally called the cops at a later age when i was almost kidnapped and my dear principal and family were beaten .. at that point i didnt care who would marry me .. i wanted those caring people to saved from the deamon's hands... ”
Speaking of the princcipal, I just spoke to his son today we just remembered again the whole story how Mr. W. came with his friends/body guards and beat the principal and his family up.... you were hiding in the bedroom and called the police... it all came back.... Oy nebech what u went thru, may this be a sign of start to healing your deep wounds!
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Oct 07, 2008 at 01:50 AM willi man Says:
“ I didnt go to the police beause of threats that i will be expelled from the community for the rest of my life and never be able to get married. My siblings would be kicked out of school and i would be commiting a big "aveireh" of chilul hashem.. i felt guilty to commit a crime of chilul hashem ... I finally called the cops at a later age when i was almost kidnapped and my dear principal and family were beaten .. at that point i didnt care who would marry me .. i wanted those caring people to saved from the deamon's hands... ”
if not for what he did to u would still be married now.....
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Oct 07, 2008 at 01:46 AM Anonymous Says:
The rabonim did their part by giving the OK to testify. What else could they have done?? Go to the police and say what???? They wouldn't even arrest him on the stories by the rabbonim. Obviously the people who could testify against him did not or could not do it till now.
the FBI wanted a solid case so that he would not be let go by a jury. This guy has gotta be sly as a fox.
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Oct 07, 2008 at 01:32 AM I survived Says:
“ To the victim, I want to post something and I hope you read this. Much of the talk will focus on the animal that did this to you. There will be many questions, and few answers - even fewer adequate answers.
To you, I want you to know how special you are. The world, indeed, was created for you. As you heal, as you grow, as you realize your true potential, I hope you find the beauty inside you that has only temporarily been supressed.
May you know of only a life of happiness and peace for all the rets of your days. There can be no mistaking the timing, the utter and sheer beautiful timing, of the day your freedom began. If I ever have the zchus of meeting you in person, I hope to learn even more of the example you are setting of someone who can overcome the depths of hell to survive and move on. ”
Thank you so much for your kind words and I do hope to meet all of you that support children that are helpless and victims. You make the world a better place. Good will come to you, like it finally did to me.
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Oct 07, 2008 at 01:28 AM I survived Says:
“ i know him very very well.. he is a sick crazy man,, and im am very heppy what heppend to him b"h...and i know him for 10 yr.and evrything is true...i know it for a fact. his wife and kids suffered for many yr....at the end there is a g-d ”
do you ? thank you for your kind words .. everyone called me one of to: Fantazierer or shikse ... so thank you kindly
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Oct 07, 2008 at 01:22 AM WILLI MAN Says:
“ at least ... oh my god .. i am going to faint !!!! ”
ABOUT TIME L. GOOD LUCK TO U..FROM SOMEONE U KNOW VERY WELL
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Oct 07, 2008 at 01:19 AM WILLI MAN Says:
i am laugahng at all u ppl. making assunption and stories. i know the taughter very personally.the father definitly melstad her and used to beat his wife and kids very bad. a few yr. ago i was involved in the case. the stories the mother used to tell me is very frighting and scary ..he is a brain washer and a terrorist..i know all this for a fact.to the daughter and family i say 1 thing keep strong and thank god the day is finally here..and to this ppl. that have a problem with the taughters judasim let me ask you how would you feel if someone that supposed to love you and protect you does this to you and pot on a face of a frum chasidsh man...and no one beliveves u becose the way he looks..he is GUILTY GUILTY ...
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Oct 07, 2008 at 01:14 AM Brian Says:
Lashon Hara. He is in jail, and therefore poses no current threat. embarrasing his family by posting the name is disgusting.
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Oct 07, 2008 at 01:11 AM Antwerp dude Says:
“ Antwerp dude, i have been following all your posts, it's pretty amazing how you understand this situation and i was saying the same thing to my loved ones today about my siblings. You have an incredible understanding about mine and my family's life. Thanks for your kind words and support. and you are right, i am strong because i have been away for a long time and because of my loved ones around me. Thank you Antwerp dude and how do you know all this that is so close to home ? we are truly surprised ! ”
Hi,
Is that really you?
if it really is, we sorta grew up together, I saw u almost every day... I saw ur brother with long wide full payos, "halbe hoyzen" with black socks...
My understanding is just by imagining what you and yours are going through... I've been following your story forever and ever, probably more then any reader here, I know way more details then described here but not everything needs to be mentioned off course.
The important things is that ppl shouldnt think "ah, this is just another family dispute" it's not! some ppl just can not believe that something like this could even happen because they have been sheltered (B"H) all of their life and they could not imagine such level of abuse by a loved one, a person who is supposed to PROTECT you from all wrong doings, uses his position, his power, to do just the opposite and violates all the trust in the world for his own dirty desires...
Well, to those ppl I say again: BE THANKFULL! Be thankfull to hashem that you can not even understand it, it means you had BH a good life, but please understand that this CAN happen and obviously DID happen.
I survived; Hang in there! Many happy days are coming now.
The Antwerp Dude
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Oct 07, 2008 at 01:07 AM I survived Says:
“ May you continue to get help.
Another Monsey Survivor ”
sad to hear that you are a victim too, you must be strong, please fight for your rights and dont give up and bring the monster to justice !
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Oct 07, 2008 at 04:08 AM hi survivor Says:
how are u? havent seen u in a while, and yes i know u too, didnt know all facts about this story , just knew that something was wrong , i heard these stories from my daughter, but cuz she is my daughter she didnt really tell me all the facts, trust me, had i known more i would be the first 1 to jump in and fight this pervert, and save the rest of the family, shalom and be well, u might figure out who i am from what i wrote
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Oct 07, 2008 at 03:28 AM yeapb Says:
“ sad to hear that you are a victim too, you must be strong, please fight for your rights and dont give up and bring the monster to justice ! ”
F.L., I see you're still reading this, my sister R.M.M. really would love to hear from you again - just go to contact on this page and ask VIN to forward my email address to you.
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Oct 07, 2008 at 03:25 AM chicago Says:
I sincerely pray for health and healing to the daughter posting here, and to her siblings and mother. I pray this "man" rots the rest of his life!
Also Antwerp Dude...good on you for also speaking up here. I think this brave girl, I survived, needed someone who knows the sitch to also stand up for her here, against all the ignorant comments.
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Oct 07, 2008 at 03:11 AM Punishing the Criminally Insane - Part 3 Says:
What's the difference?
Sending such sexually INSANE people to prison is the same as sentencing an insane person to be litteraly "KILLED", executed in prison, because he is mentally retarded or insane.
Yes, Prison, for Pedaphiles, is a 100% a death sentence.
Pedophiles are regularly EXECUTED - yes D E A T H - in prison is their fate and the prison guards "look the other way" and even indirectly encourage it, while the sexual pedophiles are raped, mutilated and ultimately killed inside the prison cell, under "prison guard protection".
The Mentally Insane does not deserve to be literally executed, even if they have hurt society as whole, in the worst possible way, because they are mentaly or sexualy insane or retarded.
I know it's hard for us to have "Rachmones" on such a "Horrible Monster", of the worst kind and it certainly makes us feel much better if we can "vent our anger" and "get even" with him, but that is a wrong thing (for a civilized people) to do, to someone, who is 100% mentally insane and 100% incapable of behaving "normally", even after years of "medical treatment" - it's just 100% impossible for sexually insane to ever be normal, no matter how hard they try - THERE IS NO CURE for this, not until Moshiach comes.
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Oct 07, 2008 at 02:32 AM Anonymous Says:
Timing is everything.
It is precisely on Yom Kippur when everyone is as spiritual as can be, only THEN do we have the inner strength to fully proclaim publicly, without shame:
"KEMAASEH ERETZ MITZRAIM LOY TAASU".
On Yom Kipur, everyone in Shull has no problem mentioning it.
The rest of the year we want to sweep all the dirt under the carpet and pretend it's not happening in our very midst.
The point is though to KEEP THAT STRENTH and not sweep such things under the carpet, every again, all year long.
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Oct 07, 2008 at 02:26 AM I survived Says:
“ Lashon Hara. He is in jail, and therefore poses no current threat. embarrasing his family by posting the name is disgusting. ”
who are you ???? and why losah horah ?? thsi is when loshan hora is a good deed !!! are you one of them? if so ... your time of crime is coming to an end too !
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Oct 07, 2008 at 02:24 AM I survived Says:
“ Hi,
Is that really you?
if it really is, we sorta grew up together, I saw u almost every day... I saw ur brother with long wide full payos, "halbe hoyzen" with black socks...
My understanding is just by imagining what you and yours are going through... I've been following your story forever and ever, probably more then any reader here, I know way more details then described here but not everything needs to be mentioned off course.
The important things is that ppl shouldnt think "ah, this is just another family dispute" it's not! some ppl just can not believe that something like this could even happen because they have been sheltered (B"H) all of their life and they could not imagine such level of abuse by a loved one, a person who is supposed to PROTECT you from all wrong doings, uses his position, his power, to do just the opposite and violates all the trust in the world for his own dirty desires...
Well, to those ppl I say again: BE THANKFULL! Be thankfull to hashem that you can not even understand it, it means you had BH a good life, but please understand that this CAN happen and obviously DID happen.
I survived; Hang in there! Many happy days are coming now.
The Antwerp Dude ”
Yes, its me ... a new stronger me that will fight for victims for the rest of my life ! Who are you ? you know me that well? its surrreal reading alll this now and people supporting when back then everyone was afrad of him ... i hope that all victims get to feel what I felt today
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Oct 07, 2008 at 09:00 AM Menashe Says:
R' yechezkel gold the satmar dayan in Monsey is fully cooperating with the authorities .he encouraged everyone that knows to report everything they know....Please dont Bash the satmar dayen because he did his best as possible
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Oct 07, 2008 at 08:56 AM formely Says:
“ who are you ???? and why losah horah ?? thsi is when loshan hora is a good deed !!! are you one of them? if so ... your time of crime is coming to an end too ! ”
It is not losah horah, since people need to know, maybe their children had contact with him. In addition if he gets out on bail the community needs to know to protect the children from him
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Oct 07, 2008 at 08:54 AM formely Says:
“ I didnt go to the police beause of threats that i will be expelled from the community for the rest of my life and never be able to get married. My siblings would be kicked out of school and i would be commiting a big "aveireh" of chilul hashem.. i felt guilty to commit a crime of chilul hashem ... I finally called the cops at a later age when i was almost kidnapped and my dear principal and family were beaten .. at that point i didnt care who would marry me .. i wanted those caring people to saved from the deamon's hands... ”