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London - Belz School Which Attempted To Ban Women Drivers Sees State Aid Application Denied

Published on: August 10, 2015 02:02 PM
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London - A north London Chasidic school which made headlines earlier this year for threatening to ban students whose mothers drive them to school is back in the news again – this time for having its application for state aid rejected.

The Hackney Council has denied Beis Malka Girls’ School, run by the Belz Chassidic Sect in Stamford Hill, the status of a “voluntary-aided, maintained school,” the JC.com reports (http://bit.ly/1gXRn6d).

In defending its decision to supply the aid, the Council said, “Information provided by the school identified significant funding over the next five years related to require building works on school premises. It was also noted that the amount identified could be construed as the minimum amount and that other expenditure could come to light at a later date.”

The proposal was also declined because of the quality of the school’s teaching and ability to provide for special needs students, its inadequate coverage of the National Curriculum, outstanding issues about the school site’s “long-term viability,” the condition of its buildings, and overall concerns about safety and health.

The Council also noted that the school was not in “compliance” with the 2010 Equality Act.

A statement issued by the Council said, “In each of these areas, it was judged that Beis Malka was not in a satisfactory position to meet the expectations and demands that becoming a voluntary-aided, maintained school would entail.”

Following a ruling in May by the Belzer Rebbe in Israel, Rabbi Yissachar Dov Rokeach, both Beis Malka and the boys’ school Talmud Torah Machzikei Hadass attempted to ban students whose mothers drove them to school because the concept of women drivers is against “the traditional rules of modesty in our camp.”

The Equality and Human Rights Commission notified the schools that barring children on such grounds is unlawful. The yeshivas have since agreed not deny or prevent the admission of any students, regardless of whether their mother drives.


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 Aug 10, 2015 at 02:10 PM lazerx Says:

I wonder if the shuls in Jerusalem that ban people who have smartphones are also breaking the law. Any opinions?

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 Aug 10, 2015 at 03:26 PM Anonymous Says:

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lazerx Says:

I wonder if the shuls in Jerusalem that ban people who have smartphones are also breaking the law. Any opinions?

The answer is no

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 Aug 10, 2015 at 04:49 PM Anonymous Says:

can any body explain whats wrong with a lady driving please and try to make sense

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 Aug 10, 2015 at 05:13 PM shvigger Says:

What goes around comes around. When education bigwigs harassed the Yeshivas in Montreal, insisting on multi cultural education and computer studies, Belz--instead of standing up to the bullies----agreed to comply, leaving Satmar to fight the big fight by itself.

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 Aug 10, 2015 at 05:35 PM Responding to #3 Says:

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Anonymous Says:

can any body explain whats wrong with a lady driving please and try to make sense

Please don't say "lady" just if anything say "yidina"

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 Aug 10, 2015 at 05:40 PM Ina Says:

Woman driving just wasn't done and Chassidishe groups do not want to change anything by even an iota. However, with that said, why don't they smell the coffee? Why don't they realize that their numbers will dwindle because their youth simply don't wish to live in this manner anymore.

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 Aug 10, 2015 at 05:44 PM Maven Says:

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Anonymous Says:

can any body explain whats wrong with a lady driving please and try to make sense

Can you explain what is wrong with eating pork?
Can you explain what is wrong with desecrating the shabbos?

Don't take me wrong hassidc women driving cars is in no way similar to to eating pork,im not this crazy. However, not everything orthodox Jews do can be explained to the outside world.
Not driving cars in the best way to be explained is another form of modesty. Its hard to understand if you are not from within.

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 Aug 10, 2015 at 09:17 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Maven Says:

Can you explain what is wrong with eating pork?
Can you explain what is wrong with desecrating the shabbos?

Don't take me wrong hassidc women driving cars is in no way similar to to eating pork,im not this crazy. However, not everything orthodox Jews do can be explained to the outside world.
Not driving cars in the best way to be explained is another form of modesty. Its hard to understand if you are not from within.

Maybe the easier way to understand is to ask the question "What do Donald Trump and the Belzer Rebbe have in common?? Obviously, it has ZERO to do with "modesty" as even if the poor wife of a Belzer chassid was wearing a Burqua, they would still find it problematic. Its all about "controlling" women and the Belzer simply don't want a woman showing any degree of independence or self-reliance since first they drive, and then, c'v, they may get an education and realize the poor slob they've been married to is really a slug who can't hold a job, can't feed his family, is overweight etc.

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 Aug 10, 2015 at 09:45 PM uberchochom Says:

Reply to #7  
Maven Says:

Can you explain what is wrong with eating pork?
Can you explain what is wrong with desecrating the shabbos?

Don't take me wrong hassidc women driving cars is in no way similar to to eating pork,im not this crazy. However, not everything orthodox Jews do can be explained to the outside world.
Not driving cars in the best way to be explained is another form of modesty. Its hard to understand if you are not from within.

" Its hard to understand if you are not from within. ”

If those "within" somehow "understand" then the problem is even greater than previously thought.

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 Aug 10, 2015 at 10:27 PM Stamford hill Says:

Get what you deserve!

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 Aug 11, 2015 at 01:15 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Maven Says:

Can you explain what is wrong with eating pork?
Can you explain what is wrong with desecrating the shabbos?

Don't take me wrong hassidc women driving cars is in no way similar to to eating pork,im not this crazy. However, not everything orthodox Jews do can be explained to the outside world.
Not driving cars in the best way to be explained is another form of modesty. Its hard to understand if you are not from within.

Maven just outed himself as belonging to neturei karts. Now everything is revealed and all his pathetic posts make sense.

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 Aug 11, 2015 at 07:34 AM BELZER Says:

it is very important to know that in ALL the chassidisher sect most women dont drive thats the way it is. i am also a wife from that life and yes am ok with it because this is the way it is like we wear long sleeves covering our elbows and shitels covering our hair...we dont frown upon those women who do drive, but we are very ok not driving.. we follow what our rebbi advises us, and this helps us to cope with the world we live in. everyone knows weather you are chasidish or not how it works, so dont say that driving will make us intelligent because most of our husbands are hard working and fun and happy and amazing ...you dont need to be to smart to see someone saying the" fat overweight slug"has other issues regarding fellow jews.
a belzer family or any family that belongs wants to belong- its the very small minority like anonymous that is probably not accepted or belonging to anywhere or his children are not accepted to the better schoo;s etc that he has this chip on his shoulder.but know it from us weather you are litvish chasidish or yekish, everyone wants to belong ,if we have a worry or query where do we go always to our rebbi,or rosh yeshivah and he advises us!!!

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 Aug 11, 2015 at 08:48 AM Greener Says:

Reply to #12  
BELZER Says:

it is very important to know that in ALL the chassidisher sect most women dont drive thats the way it is. i am also a wife from that life and yes am ok with it because this is the way it is like we wear long sleeves covering our elbows and shitels covering our hair...we dont frown upon those women who do drive, but we are very ok not driving.. we follow what our rebbi advises us, and this helps us to cope with the world we live in. everyone knows weather you are chasidish or not how it works, so dont say that driving will make us intelligent because most of our husbands are hard working and fun and happy and amazing ...you dont need to be to smart to see someone saying the" fat overweight slug"has other issues regarding fellow jews.
a belzer family or any family that belongs wants to belong- its the very small minority like anonymous that is probably not accepted or belonging to anywhere or his children are not accepted to the better schoo;s etc that he has this chip on his shoulder.but know it from us weather you are litvish chasidish or yekish, everyone wants to belong ,if we have a worry or query where do we go always to our rebbi,or rosh yeshivah and he advises us!!!

In Belz schools they apparently don't teach females to distinguish between "whether" and "weather". Do the males get to know?

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 Aug 11, 2015 at 09:24 AM abilenetx Says:

Arab women are also not allowed to drive because of modesty, when will this sect start asking women to start wearing black bags over their heads like the arabs do, because of modesty, or start wearing long black robes, or not able to leave home with out an escort. usually the little things come first and then the others get harsher and harsher until the women become prisoners of their families. Sounds great doesn't it, for one thing leads to another to another, so before one thinks of the little things wonder what all this will lead up to eventually.

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 Aug 11, 2015 at 09:53 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #12  
BELZER Says:

it is very important to know that in ALL the chassidisher sect most women dont drive thats the way it is. i am also a wife from that life and yes am ok with it because this is the way it is like we wear long sleeves covering our elbows and shitels covering our hair...we dont frown upon those women who do drive, but we are very ok not driving.. we follow what our rebbi advises us, and this helps us to cope with the world we live in. everyone knows weather you are chasidish or not how it works, so dont say that driving will make us intelligent because most of our husbands are hard working and fun and happy and amazing ...you dont need to be to smart to see someone saying the" fat overweight slug"has other issues regarding fellow jews.
a belzer family or any family that belongs wants to belong- its the very small minority like anonymous that is probably not accepted or belonging to anywhere or his children are not accepted to the better schoo;s etc that he has this chip on his shoulder.but know it from us weather you are litvish chasidish or yekish, everyone wants to belong ,if we have a worry or query where do we go always to our rebbi,or rosh yeshivah and he advises us!!!

After reading your rambling response, its still not clear why or how a woman driving her kids to yeshiva is somehow "immodest" if she is dressed properly with respect to tzinius. This mindless routine of saying "that's the way it is" with no effort to cite the most remote basis in halacha or daas torah is typical of what passes for intelligence among a thankfully small and non-representative segment of the chassidish tzibur. Fortunately, most chassidish women have moved out of the dark cave and subordination that Belzer seems to relish in.

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 Aug 11, 2015 at 10:56 AM PMOinFL Says:

Reply to #7  
Maven Says:

Can you explain what is wrong with eating pork?
Can you explain what is wrong with desecrating the shabbos?

Don't take me wrong hassidc women driving cars is in no way similar to to eating pork,im not this crazy. However, not everything orthodox Jews do can be explained to the outside world.
Not driving cars in the best way to be explained is another form of modesty. Its hard to understand if you are not from within.

That is a nonsensical answer. If you cannot explain, in a rational way, why something is "prohibited" by a particular Rav that is so far outside the mainstream, then something is wrong. Judaism, unlike the "religions" of the world, puts enormous value into factual analysis, logic and rational thought. If those things have been abandoned in your community, you are very likely trapped in a cult and just don't know it.

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 Aug 11, 2015 at 12:08 PM Rangers Says:

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PMOinFL Says:

That is a nonsensical answer. If you cannot explain, in a rational way, why something is "prohibited" by a particular Rav that is so far outside the mainstream, then something is wrong. Judaism, unlike the "religions" of the world, puts enormous value into factual analysis, logic and rational thought. If those things have been abandoned in your community, you are very likely trapped in a cult and just don't know it.

"If those things have been abandoned in your community, you are very likely trapped in a cult and just don't know it. ”
So what?? What do you care if they are "trapped" in a cult? It's no skin off your back so mind your own business! If trhe Rebbe said something he doesn't always have to explain it. It may be his opinion and that's that. That why he is the Rebbe. BTW do you have a Rabbi? Or do you only do what makes sense to you?

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 Aug 11, 2015 at 04:21 PM favish Says:

Reply to #14  
abilenetx Says:

Arab women are also not allowed to drive because of modesty, when will this sect start asking women to start wearing black bags over their heads like the arabs do, because of modesty, or start wearing long black robes, or not able to leave home with out an escort. usually the little things come first and then the others get harsher and harsher until the women become prisoners of their families. Sounds great doesn't it, for one thing leads to another to another, so before one thinks of the little things wonder what all this will lead up to eventually.

#14 can you describe yourself , like what shul you belong or organization

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 Aug 11, 2015 at 05:30 PM belzer Says:

a spelling mistake written in haste does still not justify your comments .but as i wrote before anonymous prob. has a very large chip on his shoulder ? its not a reason we are seeking, we dont need one! and again if you belong to a chassidos you accept the ground rules we are not asking questions we are the ones listening to one of the biggest jewish leaders of nowadays, am so sorry if you cannot accept that but you should try and figure out what YOUR problem is. we dont have a problem with it. one thing is clear that belz, bobov, satmer, skver, and MOST of the chasidim dont allow women to drive if that is so , so be it... and even IF i would like to drive i cant but if i have a problem chas veshalom or a shidduch or any buissiness query i ask my rebbi as do most chassidim and his valuable answer puts "women driving" in the back. i would much rather have a rebbi to go and ask,or have helpr from then drive a car. you dont understand it because you are lacking in emunas tsadikim!!!

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 Aug 11, 2015 at 06:31 PM stamfordhilly Says:

What's all this squabbling about?
I very much adhere to the motto 'live and let live'
I've yet to hear ONE Belzer man/ woman grumble that they are being controlled or trapped in a cult....
I think the Belzer people lead a very open minded life with some strict regulations which they have no problem listening to
So all you overheated people out there, instead of insulting any chassidos, just think for a moment, is anyone being forced to follow any rebbe? Or is it purely by choice???
So live and let live

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 Aug 11, 2015 at 08:22 PM anon Says:

correct stamfordhilly! we r happy to belong to belz as are all other chasidishe litvishe yekishe yiden belonging to where they choose to belong. / when you send your child to a school you send there out of choice not force and when you belong to a chasidos , you do so by choice. if you want to drive - do so its your choice but if you want to belong you HAVE to toe the line....

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 Aug 13, 2015 at 11:47 AM favish Says:

Reply to #19  
belzer Says:

a spelling mistake written in haste does still not justify your comments .but as i wrote before anonymous prob. has a very large chip on his shoulder ? its not a reason we are seeking, we dont need one! and again if you belong to a chassidos you accept the ground rules we are not asking questions we are the ones listening to one of the biggest jewish leaders of nowadays, am so sorry if you cannot accept that but you should try and figure out what YOUR problem is. we dont have a problem with it. one thing is clear that belz, bobov, satmer, skver, and MOST of the chasidim dont allow women to drive if that is so , so be it... and even IF i would like to drive i cant but if i have a problem chas veshalom or a shidduch or any buissiness query i ask my rebbi as do most chassidim and his valuable answer puts "women driving" in the back. i would much rather have a rebbi to go and ask,or have helpr from then drive a car. you dont understand it because you are lacking in emunas tsadikim!!!

#19 '...emunas tzadikkum......'
The guy probably doesn't even know what emunas tzaddikum is!

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