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Published on: October 12, 2008 09:39 AM
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Grill On Lee sign has been vandalized by Jewish vigilantes. PHOTO CREDIT: Joeflix.blogspot.comGrill On Lee sign has been vandalized by Jewish vigilantes. PHOTO CREDIT: Joeflix.blogspot.com

Brooklyn, NY - Over the past several years, the Chasidic community of Williamsburg has experienced several incidents in which anonymous community activists destroyed, damaged or defaced advertising or signage of various business establishments.

The motivation behind the incidents is spiritual.  Ads featuring highly detailed images of tantalizing food—and businesses hawking an unnecessarily wide variety of food, such a the now-shuttered Sub on Wheels once parked along a Williamsburg street—are seen as excessive and indulgent by austerity-minded activists, who are alarmed by what they see as an intrusion of secular, pleasure-oriented values into their community.

In two recent incidents, an enormous building-side banner advertising Grill on Lee, a new gourmet restaurant in the neighborhood’s heart, was sliced halfway, and a Satmar butcher shop with large photographs of dish-laden tables in its windows had those photos cut out.

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VIN News has learned that the same activists behind the most recent defacings are also those behind the campaign that forced entrepreneur Nathan Lichtenstein, a Chosid himself, to close his Sub on Wheels enterprise.

Grill On Lee ad before it was cut in half. PHOTO CREDIT: joeflix.blogspot.comGrill On Lee ad before it was cut in half. PHOTO CREDIT: joeflix.blogspot.com
The Satmar Meat store on Lee Ave. had its signs defaced apparently because it had very striking looking photos of Food. PHOTO CREDIT: joeflix.blogspot.comThe Satmar Meat store on Lee Ave. had its signs defaced apparently because it had very striking looking photos of Food. PHOTO CREDIT: joeflix.blogspot.com

 

Zealots forced Mr. Lichtensten to close down his sub on wheels food truck.Zealots forced Mr. Lichtensten to close down his sub on wheels food truck.


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 Oct 12, 2008 at 09:51 AM Anonymous Says:

Wow

When the truck came on the scene, they bothered him and destroyed his business, 'cause its on the street "Get a normal, storefront location" they cried in their leaflets -

A now they screw us again!

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 09:50 AM Anonymous Says:

I blame the miami boys choir and other pre-teen boy band groups for such vigilante action. their sweet singing voices are instilling illicit lust in well meaning Chasidic man's hearts. These poor men have no other outlet but destroying pictures of food. Better they destroy the pictures of food then abuse boys in the Yeshiva.

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 09:50 AM Anonymous Says:

what a jungle send them to the zoo

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 09:56 AM yup Says:

these same fanatics,are wife abusers, child abusers,

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 09:55 AM Anonymous Says:

I saw this when I passed Lee Ave last week. It seems to me that this tear was caused by the wind. I cant imagine how somebody got to the roof of the other building without anybody noticing. This is a very very busy corner.

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 09:59 AM Anonymous Says:

How can Gezel be l'shem shomayim? If they have a problem with seeing pictures of food then they really need to look deep within themselves. Perhaps they are afraid to because it is really ugly inside. Sad that they have nothing better to do with their lives.

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 09:58 AM beryl Says:

Nothing wrong with those ads. MUCH BETTER than morally ill or naked ads. these activists think the world belongs to them, WELL! TEACH THEM THE TRUTH!!! Some sickeos. Poor lichtenstein i would have fafed them un.

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 10:02 AM Anonymous Says:

well I don’t understand why they don’t put hidden video cameras on those signs like grill on lee that they know will be sprayed and let the police arrest those Taliban stupid unemployed jerks the same guys who run our yiddskite same people who put down Nuchme Rosenberg again a few tugs running our community and the rabaanim are as afraid of them as can be Williamsburg wake up there is only 1 Flishig restaurant in a community with thousands of people its a big shame that a few mafia thugs can control thousands of people that cant have a sandwich at night because those few people decided that’s how they want it and we are laughing from the Taliban’s

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 10:02 AM Joe Says:

Anony 9:55

Well if you remember, there was a Oorah posted there and it was defaced twice or three times. Yes these guys have guts.

(If you go close, it seems like it was cut in half and stapled)

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 10:00 AM Monroe Mann Says:

And this is why I am not Orthodox today. I prefer a sane approach.

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 10:02 AM robroy560 Says:

Funny how these holy ones don't call for the end of section 8 abuse and other thefts of community services money. When they start doing that, then I'll take these holier than thou people seriously.



Just like it has been suggested to get even with those hiding the abuse scandals by withholding our money, so too should we do with this.

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 10:14 AM anon Says:

Reply to #10  
Monroe Mann Says:

And this is why I am not Orthodox today. I prefer a sane approach.

Nah, I don't believe you for a second.

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 10:14 AM chassidhater Says:

this is the definition of a chassi man- semi employed person with ten to fifteen kids living in small apartment getting ALL government benefits. rules others lives by banning concerts, hotlines public business ads and the lot because they are not happy with their lot.

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 10:13 AM anon Says:

Reply to #8  
Anonymous Says:

well I don’t understand why they don’t put hidden video cameras on those signs like grill on lee that they know will be sprayed and let the police arrest those Taliban stupid unemployed jerks the same guys who run our yiddskite same people who put down Nuchme Rosenberg again a few tugs running our community and the rabaanim are as afraid of them as can be Williamsburg wake up there is only 1 Flishig restaurant in a community with thousands of people its a big shame that a few mafia thugs can control thousands of people that cant have a sandwich at night because those few people decided that’s how they want it and we are laughing from the Taliban’s

I couldn't agree with you more. It's time we know who those insurgents are.

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 10:13 AM yup Says:

next comes seperate side street walking for men and women...a mechitza on city bus that passes willi.. every store will have to have 2 entrances seperate men and women, seperate cashiers..do these people say at shachris "shlo asanu isha" or they say "shlo asanu UGH"

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 10:12 AM Anon Says:

Reply to #4  
yup Says:

these same fanatics,are wife abusers, child abusers,

And how would YOU know that? I'm not disputing this fact, but I think it's a very ignorant comment, just as ignorant as the acts they do.

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 10:10 AM Joe Says:

Reply to #10  
Monroe Mann Says:

And this is why I am not Orthodox today. I prefer a sane approach.

Well Im orthodox - and I am sane.

Lets not let these few jerks paint us.

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 10:37 AM Lubavitch Says:

It's very important not to consume more than you need. Doing so is nothing less than living for yourself rather than Hashem. BUT this should be a personal avodah and these extremists are plain wrong for forcing ruchnius on people.

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 10:38 AM Yossele Says:

I wonder if they'll take such a stand against chandeliers...?

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 10:41 AM yossi Says:

every story has 2 sides,we have to understand us to, willamsburg was always more then any other community in the world, we never Had all this thinks by us, as you can see our children are a lot better then any other community, so why should we let a few people ruin this for us, if you you wanna open a restaurant we have no problem but do it in boro park or Flatbush why do it here,

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 10:45 AM chaim36 Says:

This lunatic fringe must be spoken about by the Rebbes. They can condem this craziness and they should.

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 10:54 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #20  
yossi Says:

every story has 2 sides,we have to understand us to, willamsburg was always more then any other community in the world, we never Had all this thinks by us, as you can see our children are a lot better then any other community, so why should we let a few people ruin this for us, if you you wanna open a restaurant we have no problem but do it in boro park or Flatbush why do it here,

Your children are better? Than any other community? Thanks for the laugh.

Are people eating at the restaurant? Obviously there's a demand for it.

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 10:52 AM Not Monroe Mann Says:

Reply to #10  
Monroe Mann Says:

And this is why I am not Orthodox today. I prefer a sane approach.

I am Orthodox because I don't misjudge a whole group or its philosophy based on the misdeeds of a few misguided individuals.

I take my queue by the overall failure of the non Orthodox lifestyle where most people are unhappy, spiritually unfulfilled and enslaved by their lusts.

The evil people who destroy other people's signs are ovair on gezel and should be punished.

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 10:52 AM exOrthodox Says:

OK! So let's say NO WOMEN on meah shearim, instead they'll go Watching the slides being shown. HEY! BUT WAIT! IT'S BEEN BANNED! so wat are they expected to do go home and clean toilets. . .

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 10:48 AM Live and Let live Says:

Those food ads may cause obesity chas vesholom. They cause people to salivate and lust for food. That is why they are so dangerous! Really this is rediculous it is gezel to destroy an ad that someone paid for. Maybe these fanatic lunatics are against restaraunts, but they don't have to take it out on them.

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 11:00 AM moishe chaim Says:

Reply to #10  
Monroe Mann Says:

And this is why I am not Orthodox today. I prefer a sane approach.

yes it's the ones like you that do these stuff

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 10:59 AM Anonymous Says:

like our rebbe said "I DONT KNOW IF IT IS GRILL OR GROLL!!!!!

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 11:13 AM StillOrthodox Says:

yall missed why the signs were defaced!!

For the Grill On Lee: THE SALADS WERE NOT DRESSED!!

For the Satmar Fleish Store: TOO MUCH SKIN EXPOSED ON THE BIRDS!!


The Bhaimos have crossed the line here and need to be reigned in by their respective (note I didnt use "respected") rebbelach.

exortho, what are your REAL issues?

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 10:52 AM arabi Says:

The article is unclear as to who is committing these criminal acts. VIN says it knows who it is, but doesn't disclose any information on them. It would be helpful for VIN to dsiclose what it knows rather than rely on "insinuation jounalism."

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 11:22 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #26  
moishe chaim Says:

yes it's the ones like you that do these stuff

Why on earth would someone who is ex-orthodox care one way or the other if there's an ad for food on the side of the building? It's obvious that you cannot accept the fact that there are kannoim who are doing this (and also driving people H'V away from yiddishkeit).

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 11:47 AM FinVeeNemtMenSeichel Says:

Mitzva gedoilah lihiyois depressed tumid.

W should all get together one night in a williamsburg restaurant and give chizuk to the businessmen and a frask in punim to the behaimos.

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 11:58 AM Anna Nicole Smith Says:

These awful acts of violence makes me want a "get out of jail free" card to flee from this totally abnormal community of Williamsburg. What kind of place do I want my kids to grow up in? What an absolute disgrace!

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 12:13 PM willi Says:

I wanna tell you all of you above, that there is only a few people busy with this stupid stuff, williamsburg is a nice community with lots of chesed and good people everybody from the whole world knows if the need to collect money they are coming to williamsburg and everyone is getting helped with everything they are here 2 3 guys who are doing that they are going a bit stupid direction but they dont have the support of our community and our rabbis, its still a better living then most of the communities out there

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 12:07 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #20  
yossi Says:

every story has 2 sides,we have to understand us to, willamsburg was always more then any other community in the world, we never Had all this thinks by us, as you can see our children are a lot better then any other community, so why should we let a few people ruin this for us, if you you wanna open a restaurant we have no problem but do it in boro park or Flatbush why do it here,

I can't decide if this post is tongue in cheek or serious. But here's a little newsflash. On Rosh Hashana, the boys 8-12 were playing ball outside. The boys have very little derech eretz and push their way into stores, etc..

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 12:02 PM Anonymous Says:

# 10- A sane person doesn't blame others for his own actions. If you truly aren't "frum anymore" you are the one with the issues. Or your yiddishkeit wasn't strong enough to begin with. If my neighbor gets a BMW and I can't afford one, it doesn't send me over the edge.

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 12:37 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
yup Says:

these same fanatics,are wife abusers, child abusers,

100% - controlling maniac abusers, weshould expose some and get them locked up

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 12:49 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #20  
yossi Says:

every story has 2 sides,we have to understand us to, willamsburg was always more then any other community in the world, we never Had all this thinks by us, as you can see our children are a lot better then any other community, so why should we let a few people ruin this for us, if you you wanna open a restaurant we have no problem but do it in boro park or Flatbush why do it here,

Puleeez gimme a break. (Thanks VIN for allowing such stupid naive comments, to make us smile while reading bad news:) )

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 01:08 PM Anonymous Says:

yossi 10.41 - so you say if a williamsburg person is hungry and wants to eat a frank he should travel to boro park? you dummy.

Its most proberbly the guy that is on welfare and food stamps and he got upset that food stamps dosent pay for a grilled frankfurter so he got upset.....

He most proberbly goes with long side locks and you can see him davening (shmoozing) in shul around 1 in the afternoon.

Hey cant blame him at night he is up vandalizing others property.

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 01:20 PM Getzel Mechel Says:

This guy K.... who is behind all this is a wife abuser and a depresed knuckel head .He should be arrested for damaging private property and kicked out of bedford gardens for being a ganof of tax payers money

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 01:14 PM Joe Says:

Reply to #20  
yossi Says:

every story has 2 sides,we have to understand us to, willamsburg was always more then any other community in the world, we never Had all this thinks by us, as you can see our children are a lot better then any other community, so why should we let a few people ruin this for us, if you you wanna open a restaurant we have no problem but do it in boro park or Flatbush why do it here,

OUR KIDS ARE BETTER?? Are you out of your Mind! Yes I grew in your good old Willi, and these people are the reason I am not religious nowdays. I don't know if you live in a cave but look what's happening to Willi, Check out how manny Drop outs. I would luv to stroll the neighboring bars with you one Friday Night so you will see how good the willi Kids are. Guys WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! STOP BEING SO STUPID, AND NARROW MINDED....... What the hell is wring with a freakin resturant????????

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 01:36 PM Anonymous Says:

Oh so he lives in bedford gardens of course at no charge is being given a nice apartment from the goverment and fed from the goverment his kids are on head start again from the goverment he goes to the doctor for his mental capabilities again free at charge from the goverment soon he will ask the goverment to pay for his esrog and liluv, he most proberbly never paid any taxes in his life, but he has a problem with a store owner trying to make a honest living, if getzel mechel 1.20 its like what you say that its guy K and he lives in bedford garden why cant you post a picture of that knuckel head - let me see who is that jerk.

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 01:31 PM eli Says:

so what is so terible?
look at other places where fance resturants open up, and pepole are under presyre to go, evnn though they cant aford it, or even look at the fancy cares pepole are presured to drive. and they nor the pepole they are following can Takeh aford it.

it is time us in the frum comunity stop tryng to be like the Goyim, Prime grill, T, fusion, Glatt a la Crate, etc etc.... it is wasting money, and not the derech of frum pepole, can you realy explain how you can justify spending $150 for 2 pepole in a resturant?? even if you havethe money?

i wont even get into the waste of money for Bar mitzvash and wedings.

i am not saying we should tear down signs, or riot, but i do understand and agree with what they ultimatley want.

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 01:44 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #40  
Joe Says:

OUR KIDS ARE BETTER?? Are you out of your Mind! Yes I grew in your good old Willi, and these people are the reason I am not religious nowdays. I don't know if you live in a cave but look what's happening to Willi, Check out how manny Drop outs. I would luv to stroll the neighboring bars with you one Friday Night so you will see how good the willi Kids are. Guys WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! STOP BEING SO STUPID, AND NARROW MINDED....... What the hell is wring with a freakin resturant????????

Looks like you never lived in willi, and you don't know willi at all! I did grow up in Willi, and still raise my kids here, in Willi there's the smallest percent of dropouts from all equivalent heimishe communities. And when there are some dropouts, most would still be religious enough to be equal with a typical Kew gardens or Flatbush person, just off "his roots" and different from his family.

those acts of extremism (if this is the case here) are usually done by some single acting individuals acting on their own, and they do not represent the public opinion, and they definitely do NOT reflect the minds of the local yidden!
Wiiliamsburg is a beautiful community with so much mitzvos and chesed going on here, and thats why there are very few drop outs from this neighborhood.

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 01:52 PM wiliboy Says:

Well I happened to pass by when the election took place in wili for 2 candidates who were vying for the Jewish community votes.. and I was shocked to hear how the 2 groups going around with loud speakers bashing each other.. is that what you call Beautiful Williamsburg???.. I defiantly don’t want my kids in that community to learn this type of stuff

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 01:50 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #39  
Getzel Mechel Says:

This guy K.... who is behind all this is a wife abuser and a depresed knuckel head .He should be arrested for damaging private property and kicked out of bedford gardens for being a ganof of tax payers money

Aha! so you know who the guy is... you baloney! you probably hate his nose so you're out to frame him. this man never touched a penny that doesn't belong to him, and would never in his dare life damage someone elses property. just because he told you not to talk by kadish and kedisha you're out to frame his name in a story he has nothing to do with.. shame on you getzel mechel!

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 01:55 PM Anonymous Says:

reply to # 12 lol shoulda i believe ya that ya dont believe her?... ...maybe ya right...

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 02:29 PM FinVeeNemtMenSeichel Says:

Reply to #43  
eli Says:

so what is so terible?
look at other places where fance resturants open up, and pepole are under presyre to go, evnn though they cant aford it, or even look at the fancy cares pepole are presured to drive. and they nor the pepole they are following can Takeh aford it.

it is time us in the frum comunity stop tryng to be like the Goyim, Prime grill, T, fusion, Glatt a la Crate, etc etc.... it is wasting money, and not the derech of frum pepole, can you realy explain how you can justify spending $150 for 2 pepole in a resturant?? even if you havethe money?

i wont even get into the waste of money for Bar mitzvash and wedings.

i am not saying we should tear down signs, or riot, but i do understand and agree with what they ultimatley want.

NOTHING you said comes close in justifying vandalism. you know- geneiva. plain pushit befeirishe de'oiraisa loi signov.

you dont see "what is so terible" with employing geneiva for a hechere ideal? please don't tell others what "derech of frum pepole" is. are you going to burn people's "fance " "cares"? why should you spend $50,000 on a car "even if you havethe money"...?

you've said a whole bunch of nothing. you've shown us all once again for every weed in our community there is at least one person who tends it. now go get a life.

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 02:10 PM Anonymous Says:

I was with my child in a Manhattan hospital, when he was hospitalized for a nice period of time, i was shocked to meet the satmar bikur cholim volunteers from Williamsburg day after day twice a day, bringing meals and much more for hundreds of patients, I was amazed and all taken aback by the extended chesed and comfort they gave me, my family and for the other patients around. THAT CHANGED MY VIEW OF WILLIAMSBURGERS FOREVER!!!

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 02:04 PM Anonymous Says:

annon 1.44 well williamsburgh has alot of drop outs but you know what? you consider a dropout only when the guy shaves his beard and cuts of his peielech, I consider dropouts even those who are machmir to go with wide kapelech and longe payos and supposedly looks on the floor when he walks.. but is corrupted inside and out - when a person borrows money he dosent pay back, or when you have a store and you buy goods and dont pay for it, or when you abuse your wife and kids by sleeping till noon and going to daven, and by not working VAL ES PAST NISHT ICH BIN A SHEINER YID, they are dropouts as well, they potray themselves like holier then thou, but they are rotten to the core even though they still go with long peyos and breite tzitzis.

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 02:49 PM Anonymous Says:

who don't remember what happened at this same location over 40 years ago, when windows were shattered because we can't tolerate a pizza shop in our place. what happened some years later when a pizza shop became kosher because it's owned by talmudim from yehsiva TV it has a heimishe hechshar. aren't there other fleishige restarants in wiili? who decides who is miter and who is ooser?
these poeple wan't to show we are driving this community and only what we decide its OK will be here all others will be terrorized.

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 02:54 PM AMG Says:

To Damage property is wrong but to decide how a particular community should live their lives is to be decided by those of that particular community who are most knowelagable about the needs the strenghths and weaknesses of their community

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 03:12 PM Anonymous Says:

anon 2.49 you are right 40 years ago pizza store was oser - today it has a hashgucha from the hisachdath harbonim basically run by one guy.

For money you can get a hechsher etc. its all baloney

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 03:12 PM FinVeeNemtMenSeichel Says:

Reply to #52  
AMG Says:

To Damage property is wrong but to decide how a particular community should live their lives is to be decided by those of that particular community who are most knowelagable about the needs the strenghths and weaknesses of their community

so youre saying "lets just look past what these tipshim do... they know what needs to be done..."?

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 03:16 PM Anonymous Says:

hey amg change your name to omg!.. lol

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 04:11 PM Anonymous Says:

No question for whatever reason this was done, it was done by 1 or 2 individuals, so why be busy with all shtusim and sinas yisroel all around it, bashing a community of tens of thousands yiden shomrei torah umitzvos.

.Why don't you see headlines: "ALL BORO PARKERS ARE GANOVIM AND PICK-POCKETERS"... because some lunatic thief stole money in 2 incidents in 2 BP mikvas.. in every shipment of apples there are a few rotten apples. weird things happen every where, and they keep on happening, it's just of different natures.

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 04:13 PM bigwheeel Says:

Reply to #4  
yup Says:

these same fanatics,are wife abusers, child abusers,

You're right on [the button]! so is poster #3! Another problem is, that they (the so-called Zealots) have too much time on their hands! When we look after all the big-ones who are out there in front, attempting to control every major event in Jewish life, noticing every "bad" thing that normal people don't notice at all, you'll find Two things: 1) They don't have a regular (9-5) job! 2) their financial dealings are not so Kosher!; Personally, I know one of the Biggies (in Kanaous) who tries to give everyone the "Hard-Sell", where his livelihood is concerned! He ain't makin' out too bad! (no details are necessary) Yet he has time to "rock the Boat"! Whether the issue [that he's riling about] is legitimate or not!
Some [average] people may be annoyed, too, sometimes by an appearance of overindulgence in materialism. But the facts of life are, that the companies are here to sell [their products] and it's the "consumer's" choice to buy!

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 04:14 PM Anonymous Says:

chevra! the only way to prevent this carzy'ness is to stand up against it.

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 04:20 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #56  
Anonymous Says:

No question for whatever reason this was done, it was done by 1 or 2 individuals, so why be busy with all shtusim and sinas yisroel all around it, bashing a community of tens of thousands yiden shomrei torah umitzvos.

.Why don't you see headlines: "ALL BORO PARKERS ARE GANOVIM AND PICK-POCKETERS"... because some lunatic thief stole money in 2 incidents in 2 BP mikvas.. in every shipment of apples there are a few rotten apples. weird things happen every where, and they keep on happening, it's just of different natures.

You are so right!

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 04:33 PM bigwheeel Says:

Reply to #24  
exOrthodox Says:

OK! So let's say NO WOMEN on meah shearim, instead they'll go Watching the slides being shown. HEY! BUT WAIT! IT'S BEEN BANNED! so wat are they expected to do go home and clean toilets. . .

Ex-Orthodox. OK, you are! but your Spelling [still] needs improvement! Now that you're free, along your adventures, when you are starting to taste life (Olom Hazeh), you should drop in (not out) to an English and Spelling class!!!

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 04:28 PM bigwheeel Says:

Reply to #28  
StillOrthodox Says:

yall missed why the signs were defaced!!

For the Grill On Lee: THE SALADS WERE NOT DRESSED!!

For the Satmar Fleish Store: TOO MUCH SKIN EXPOSED ON THE BIRDS!!


The Bhaimos have crossed the line here and need to be reigned in by their respective (note I didnt use "respected") rebbelach.

exortho, what are your REAL issues?

You should call yourself "Still-Orthodox-but-Close-to-the-Edge!"

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 04:40 PM bigwheeel Says:

Reply to #13  
chassidhater Says:

this is the definition of a chassi man- semi employed person with ten to fifteen kids living in small apartment getting ALL government benefits. rules others lives by banning concerts, hotlines public business ads and the lot because they are not happy with their lot.

I don't know 'bout the kids, but as far as the [small] house is concerned. He ain't livin' in no small house (al pii lushen hashchoirim)!!!

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 05:19 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
Monroe Mann Says:

And this is why I am not Orthodox today. I prefer a sane approach.

You have confused REASON and EXCUSE.

There are plenty of sane shomrai torah u'mitzvos who also are upset at some of the crazy things done in our name. We just haven't used these abuses as opportunities to quit Judaism.

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 05:48 PM Avraham Abba Says:

I demand separate birth facilities for newborns, for male and female babies. You never know when some female baby might look fetchingly at a male baby and bring him to have bad thoughts. Next thing you know, they'll be sharing pacifiers. Then when they grow up, they might buy one kind of sucah and not another because of terrible pictures on walls.
That is against the Rebbe's wishes.
Also, I have personally seen (you're not going to believe this!!), male and female types of people walking near each other on Bedford Ave. in the daylight hours, openly, with no shame!

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 06:56 PM Anonymous Says:

STORES IN WILIAMSBURG NOW HAVE DRESS CODES POSTES ON THE FRONT WINDOWS AND SOME STORES AND RESTAURANTS NOW HAVE SEPERATE LIES FOR MEN AND WOMEN

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 07:14 PM GETZEL BEN PRETZSEL Says:

WILLIAMSBURG NEEDS SERIOUS HELP..There are to many meshugayim in town. Some asken needs to do something and do it fast..Maybee its the pressure of the high real estate values in williamsburg thats driving folks insane. Or maybee its the AIR .The BQE passes by and fould up the air ...dunno what but the place needs serious help

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 07:14 PM Live and Let Live Says:

#65 - what's wrong with that? When women and men are on a line together it could get a little uncomfortable., and dress codes are right and proper. People living there want to have certain stndards kept and there's nothing wrong withat. What's wrong is to vandalize other people's property to have your point made.

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 07:49 PM Joe Says:

Reply to #44  
Anonymous Says:

Looks like you never lived in willi, and you don't know willi at all! I did grow up in Willi, and still raise my kids here, in Willi there's the smallest percent of dropouts from all equivalent heimishe communities. And when there are some dropouts, most would still be religious enough to be equal with a typical Kew gardens or Flatbush person, just off "his roots" and different from his family.

those acts of extremism (if this is the case here) are usually done by some single acting individuals acting on their own, and they do not represent the public opinion, and they definitely do NOT reflect the minds of the local yidden!
Wiiliamsburg is a beautiful community with so much mitzvos and chesed going on here, and thats why there are very few drop outs from this neighborhood.

Well first off I did live in Willi. On Hewes street if that helps. (and if you still don't believe then we could go Further in Prooving it. Regarding the drop outs, I know what you don't, I meet kids With long Payes in the Bars on Friday Night. I know the people these kids hook up for Drugs to. So the small precentage of dropouts you know, Multiply that by 10.

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 08:12 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #65  
Anonymous Says:

STORES IN WILIAMSBURG NOW HAVE DRESS CODES POSTES ON THE FRONT WINDOWS AND SOME STORES AND RESTAURANTS NOW HAVE SEPERATE LIES FOR MEN AND WOMEN

If you'll be kind enough to let us know who is forcing you to be part of their lifestyle I'm sure we'd all be glad to force them to stop.

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 08:07 PM Hank Says:

I love the Gril on Lee food . Hey I am willing to do shmurah in front of the store and if anyone is goona try to break the window I will make sure the guy kisses the pavement on all fours

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 08:42 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #64  
Avraham Abba Says:

I demand separate birth facilities for newborns, for male and female babies. You never know when some female baby might look fetchingly at a male baby and bring him to have bad thoughts. Next thing you know, they'll be sharing pacifiers. Then when they grow up, they might buy one kind of sucah and not another because of terrible pictures on walls.
That is against the Rebbe's wishes.
Also, I have personally seen (you're not going to believe this!!), male and female types of people walking near each other on Bedford Ave. in the daylight hours, openly, with no shame!

hey, do you mean hasiddim? who did you see on bedford ave?

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 09:19 PM Babishka Says:

Reply to #18  
Lubavitch Says:

It's very important not to consume more than you need. Doing so is nothing less than living for yourself rather than Hashem. BUT this should be a personal avodah and these extremists are plain wrong for forcing ruchnius on people.

These meshugoyim are not forcing "ruchnius" on people, anymore than PETA with their antics are forcing "kindness to animals" on people. They are vandals and destroyers of other, honest people's livelihoods.

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 11:16 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #20  
yossi Says:

every story has 2 sides,we have to understand us to, willamsburg was always more then any other community in the world, we never Had all this thinks by us, as you can see our children are a lot better then any other community, so why should we let a few people ruin this for us, if you you wanna open a restaurant we have no problem but do it in boro park or Flatbush why do it here,

Obviously there are a lot of people in your HOLY neighborhood who want this tyoe if restaurant, otherwise they would not be in business.
Maybe you should start a new community.

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 Oct 12, 2008 at 11:27 PM They have delicious food! Says:

I don't live in willy but I have tasted their food a few times. HEAVEN! Every person on this blog should stop in for a bite! I hope this incident turns into the best advertisement for them!

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 Oct 13, 2008 at 06:16 AM ahuvah Says:

Reply to #14  
anon Says:

I couldn't agree with you more. It's time we know who those insurgents are.

Hidden video cameras is the only logical reaction. There probably are such cameras in place already for other security reasons--use them. Most of the rest of you are reacting to a story based only on the information you were given. Don't know why I'm here -- I need to study the laws of loshon hora better. So do y'all.

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 Oct 13, 2008 at 03:16 AM Wonderful Willy Says:

Although not a resident of Williamsburg, I have benefited from the chesed that is pervasive throughout the community--and no one asks for your religious affiliation before dispensing an incredible amount of kindness. No one should make blanket accusations that tarnish an entire community due to the actions of a few.

Some of you who are so quick to denounce and revile others, may be better off reflecting on your own actions and speech.

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 Oct 13, 2008 at 03:06 AM Shame on you! Says:

It is not yet Hoshana Rabbah and already, just days after Yom Kippur, so many of you are willing to judge and condemn an entire community based on the (possible) actions of a few on the fringe. We have just finished begging the Ribono Shel Olam to treat us with mercy despite our lack of merit yet so many are so quick to villify tens of thousands, based on a torn advertisement that may have been torn by the wind as there as been no evidence to the contrary.

Think before spewing your accusations and hate on a public forum if you do not contribute to preventing the coming of Moshiach. May Hashem judge all of us more favorably than many seem willing to judge each other.

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 Oct 13, 2008 at 02:59 AM ha ha Says:

Reply to #44  
Anonymous Says:

Looks like you never lived in willi, and you don't know willi at all! I did grow up in Willi, and still raise my kids here, in Willi there's the smallest percent of dropouts from all equivalent heimishe communities. And when there are some dropouts, most would still be religious enough to be equal with a typical Kew gardens or Flatbush person, just off "his roots" and different from his family.

those acts of extremism (if this is the case here) are usually done by some single acting individuals acting on their own, and they do not represent the public opinion, and they definitely do NOT reflect the minds of the local yidden!
Wiiliamsburg is a beautiful community with so much mitzvos and chesed going on here, and thats why there are very few drop outs from this neighborhood.

"very few drop outs" are u kidding urself? most dropouts of any community, wake up and smell the coffee

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 Oct 13, 2008 at 01:12 AM BenDOVBER Says:

The fact is ,yes there are many many G-d Fearing jews who live in Williamsburg, Who are really great people,But things like this make me as a Chozer Bteshuva, absolutly disgusted. They steal , and at the same time hide behind there "yiddishkeit". Its pretty pathetic....

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 Oct 13, 2008 at 12:35 AM Anonymous Says:

TALIBAN.... TALIBAN... this is how some of our chridim make us look. All in the name of god. It's funny the way we are told to ask a shole from a rav for all that we do. Yeah... I'm sure these guys ask a shole b4 they do this dis-service to there own community. Sad to say, this is why we don't have moshiach yet not because of the SHMOLE GEPOSTA KLIDER crap. Ahh almost forgot the people living in the the project all there life and the others who live off of sections 8 almost thought that Bedford ave belongs to them as a package deal. Shame on you, what what are you guys thinking. WE ARE IN GULES!!!

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 Oct 13, 2008 at 12:38 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #75  
They have delicious food! Says:

I don't live in willy but I have tasted their food a few times. HEAVEN! Every person on this blog should stop in for a bite! I hope this incident turns into the best advertisement for them!

amen!

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 Oct 13, 2008 at 01:37 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #75  
They have delicious food! Says:

I don't live in willy but I have tasted their food a few times. HEAVEN! Every person on this blog should stop in for a bite! I hope this incident turns into the best advertisement for them!

git gezugt... ...straight and to the point... :)

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 Oct 13, 2008 at 09:57 AM Joe Says:

Reply to #75  
They have delicious food! Says:

I don't live in willy but I have tasted their food a few times. HEAVEN! Every person on this blog should stop in for a bite! I hope this incident turns into the best advertisement for them!

Amen to that! Its a new, small business - we should vote with our wallets!

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 Oct 13, 2008 at 11:04 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #80  
BenDOVBER Says:

The fact is ,yes there are many many G-d Fearing jews who live in Williamsburg, Who are really great people,But things like this make me as a Chozer Bteshuva, absolutly disgusted. They steal , and at the same time hide behind there "yiddishkeit". Its pretty pathetic....

ENOUGH WITH "THEY" ALREADY. THEY do not steal. Some of them steal, just as some of every group steal.

I don't want to mention of who I reminded every time I read or hear a person accuse an entire society or community.

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 Oct 13, 2008 at 12:04 PM slapper Says:

whats the point of fighting ?you are not going to change any one ... one thing is sure that thay have (grill on lee) delicious and fresh food ...o.m.g. the baby grilled chicken.....the best in town

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 Oct 13, 2008 at 12:20 PM Anonymous Says:

omg!... slpper are you from willi?

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 Oct 13, 2008 at 12:18 PM me my self Says:

GAL PAZ: get out from williamsbug
FRES TRUCK: get out from williamsburg
GRILL ON LEE: get out from williasburg

WHAT ELS WILL THOSE PEOPLE PLAY AROUND WITH US???
ITS ABOUT TIME WE SHOULD WAKE UP!!!!!
INSTED THEY SHOULD GET US OUT FROM WILLIAMSBURG, LET US GET RID OF THEM!! IS ABOUT TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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 Oct 13, 2008 at 01:03 PM shmilliwilli Says:

hey, me my self, are you from williamsburg? sounds like it... ..hhmmm i wonder...

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 Oct 13, 2008 at 01:22 PM Harley Rider Says:

I am doing shmurah in front of Grill on Lee.Hey guy if you come to break windows better wear a helmet and a steel cage around your neck

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 Oct 13, 2008 at 01:31 PM Anonymous Says:

lol i wanna see the shmirah.... ...gona check it ouuuutttt!....

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 Oct 13, 2008 at 02:35 PM Anonymous Says:

here's the issue, these bums that do not have jobs are tremndously jealous of the lifestyle that their working brethren are living.
They think that they somehow deserve this lifestyle, not through hard work but thorugh the dint of their learning or yichus. Do not covet is a tremendously difficult lo saasah to comply with, and that is what is causing these folks to do these things. They have no job, can't get a job, and their self esteem and self worth is nil.

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 Oct 13, 2008 at 04:04 PM Everyone should try their baby chicken wrap!! Says:

Everyone! don't walk but run to grill-on-lee and try their baby chicken wrap. I have eaten their a few times and it was always delicious! I guys those guys are jealous they can't have any.......

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 Nov 27, 2008 at 04:41 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #23  
Not Monroe Mann Says:

I am Orthodox because I don't misjudge a whole group or its philosophy based on the misdeeds of a few misguided individuals.

I take my queue by the overall failure of the non Orthodox lifestyle where most people are unhappy, spiritually unfulfilled and enslaved by their lusts.

The evil people who destroy other people's signs are ovair on gezel and should be punished.

no one asked you to live in monroe they are extremist i dont seem to have any problem in bp

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 Jun 30, 2009 at 10:55 AM look normal Says:

Reply to #19  
Yossele Says:

I wonder if they'll take such a stand against chandeliers...?

you should leave in willi and then you should talk

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