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Brooklyn, NY - Williamsburg Activist Files Civil Lawsuit Against Charedi Attacker, Refutes DA’s Claim That His Injuries Were Only Temporary

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Brooklyn, NY - A well known anti-child abuse crusader who was doused with bleach by a Williamsburg resident filed court papers, suing his assailant for unspecified damages following the December, 2012 incident.

As previously reported on VIN News, Meilich Schnitzler received five years probation in a plea deal for throwing bleach in the face of well known advocate for child abuse victims, Rabbi Nuchum Rosenberg, just days after a jury found Nechemya Weberman guilty on all 59 counts he was charged with.

Schnitzler had originally pled guilty in the attack but changed his plea after being offered a deal by the district attorney’s office, who agreed to let Schnitzler off without jail time since it was his first offense and Rosenberg’s injuries were not permanent.

But in the lawsuit filed Wednesday Rosenberg claims that he suffered severe and permanent damages to his eye, leaving with constant pain and rendering him substantially disabled.  According to the complaint filed in Supreme Court in Brooklyn, Rosenberg has needed both medication and physical therapy, has become “substantially disabled,” and has experienced severe mental anguish as a result of the attack.

Rosenberg is seeking actual and punitive damages and hopes to also recover court costs from the 2012 jury trial.

In 2008 Rosenberg was ostracized by ultra-Orthodox Jewish communal authorities because he maintains a telephone number that features his lectures in Yiddish and he has publicly identified perpetrators of sexual abuse.

The case is being presented by attorney Robert Tolchin of The Berkman Law Office. it was not immediately known the name of the attorney representing Schnitzler.


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1

 Sep 03, 2015 at 10:22 AM MAYERFREUND Says:

Can some one explain why "mesirah" is halachigly allowed according to this Rosenberg guy.

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 Sep 03, 2015 at 10:54 AM Anonymous Says:

The facts in this article are mostly inaccurate. Let's examine some of them.

1. Rosenberg is not an advocate for anyone. He makes his career of activism to destroy anyone he wants. Accused perpetrators who may be completely innocent have been destroyed by this "activist". He has never participated or contributed to any efforts to expand prevention in the community. He interacts with the media regularly to cause as much public damage and chilul Hashem as possible.

2. The DA office had documentation about the status of the injuries as temporary, not permanent. This new claim is frivolous, and will be found as such in this new trip to arka'os. Anyone with a heter for this?

3. Mental anguish? What about all the mental anguish he has caused to countless innocent people? So many people attacked on his "hotline" are innocent, just having disagreed with him. Hypocrisy.

4. "lectures in Yiddish and he has publicly identified perpetrators". His hotline is defamatory against many who were never perpetrators (rechilus). It is also brazenly pornographic, which is why rabbonim banned it several times. He continues to poison children's mind with schmutz.

Elul. Nu?

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 Sep 03, 2015 at 11:35 AM BLONDI Says:

Arefuah shlama. Bleach is very dangerous and harmful

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 Sep 03, 2015 at 12:12 PM jack25 Says:

Reply to #1  
MAYERFREUND Says:

Can some one explain why "mesirah" is halachigly allowed according to this Rosenberg guy.

The fact that one Jew sprayed bleach at another Jew doesn't bother?!

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 Sep 03, 2015 at 12:08 PM samklein30 Says:

It's chodesh Elul. the Chofetz Chaim's yartzeit will be on 24 of Elul. let's learn about the prohibition of slander. lets not write about anyone. loshon horah is prohibited. it causes hatred, nothing positive is the outcome.

a ksiva vchasima tova through the zchus of shmiras haloshon

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 Sep 03, 2015 at 12:16 PM 10952Girl Says:

Thanks #2

People do not realize that he is not what the media portrays him to be.
I highly commend people who have brought awareness to child se-xual abuse. But he is not the one that has done it. Most people doing it are behind the scenes, trying to get help for kids, talking to parents on how to teach their kids on the subjectm and getting the perpetrators to pay for their deeds.
NONE OF THEM are in the media or interested to be in the media. They are doing all of this to protect our children, L'shem Shamayim.

Mr. Rosenberg likes to stir the media up and he's found the perfect method. Trying to present himself as the one that is the Nachshon in the molestation issue. He has brought awareness and I give him credit for that, but he's definitely not having the children in mind.

I know, because I am part of a group of activists behind the scene. He sometimes creates more issues by running to the media. There are child activists that mean the children, & there are people who take on an issue because it will put them in the media. This is the difference between him and the real child activists.
May we be zoche to Moshiach who will be the ultimate protection for our kids

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 Sep 03, 2015 at 12:23 PM inNY Says:

Reply to #5  
samklein30 Says:

It's chodesh Elul. the Chofetz Chaim's yartzeit will be on 24 of Elul. let's learn about the prohibition of slander. lets not write about anyone. loshon horah is prohibited. it causes hatred, nothing positive is the outcome.

a ksiva vchasima tova through the zchus of shmiras haloshon

The issue of screaming LH and Rechilas is at the height of hypocrisy in the Charedi community of NY... if you look at Israeli news and politics, not a day goes by where Israeli Chardi politicians do not bash each other, and arrests of chardi criminals and lawsuits are reported in all of the so called Torah news site, why is it when it comes to NY Jewish arrests and court appearance all of a sudden it becomes LH??

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 Sep 03, 2015 at 12:30 PM Maven Says:

#2 Awesome. I couldn't of said it better. However,you said too little.

We cant even begin to think how much damage Rosenberg did and is continuing to do to Klal Yisroel in general and to kids in particular.

If anyone listens to his hotline you will hear the the most inflammatory schmutz he spews on anyone and everything.
He wants people to think that every Rebbe,Rav,Dyan,teacher,parents grandparents, and just basically every frum looking Jew is a child abuser.


He can file suit as much as he wants.He wont get anywhere.Law enforcement by now know already his true agenda.

The Rabbonim did an excellent job in making people aware about his danger and therefore he has no were to daven. In fact how can the same mouth that spews profanity Daven.

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 Sep 03, 2015 at 12:32 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
10952Girl Says:

Thanks #2

People do not realize that he is not what the media portrays him to be.
I highly commend people who have brought awareness to child se-xual abuse. But he is not the one that has done it. Most people doing it are behind the scenes, trying to get help for kids, talking to parents on how to teach their kids on the subjectm and getting the perpetrators to pay for their deeds.
NONE OF THEM are in the media or interested to be in the media. They are doing all of this to protect our children, L'shem Shamayim.

Mr. Rosenberg likes to stir the media up and he's found the perfect method. Trying to present himself as the one that is the Nachshon in the molestation issue. He has brought awareness and I give him credit for that, but he's definitely not having the children in mind.

I know, because I am part of a group of activists behind the scene. He sometimes creates more issues by running to the media. There are child activists that mean the children, & there are people who take on an issue because it will put them in the media. This is the difference between him and the real child activists.
May we be zoche to Moshiach who will be the ultimate protection for our kids

The only people that consider themselves "chasidim" of this guy are the radical activists (they know who they are), the media that makes dramatic reports of chilul Hashem, and others whose morals are severely hampered. NR has no respect from the DA's office, who are prosecuting cases all the time (nebach). The true activists and others who are leading the way to protect children have nothing whatsoever to do with him. He is a destructive force, and it is a blatant lie to say that he is an advocate for children. It is not for nothing that he has been banned from every single beis hamedrash in his section of town. His poor children suffer from his well earned reputation as a purveyor of pornography all the time. I do not pretend to know Heavenly information, but I can't imagine the Divine consequences of introducing schmutz to countless innocent children on his hotline. That guy is NOT a protector of Jewish children.

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 Sep 03, 2015 at 12:53 PM Bleach is Good for the Eyes Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

The facts in this article are mostly inaccurate. Let's examine some of them.

1. Rosenberg is not an advocate for anyone. He makes his career of activism to destroy anyone he wants. Accused perpetrators who may be completely innocent have been destroyed by this "activist". He has never participated or contributed to any efforts to expand prevention in the community. He interacts with the media regularly to cause as much public damage and chilul Hashem as possible.

2. The DA office had documentation about the status of the injuries as temporary, not permanent. This new claim is frivolous, and will be found as such in this new trip to arka'os. Anyone with a heter for this?

3. Mental anguish? What about all the mental anguish he has caused to countless innocent people? So many people attacked on his "hotline" are innocent, just having disagreed with him. Hypocrisy.

4. "lectures in Yiddish and he has publicly identified perpetrators". His hotline is defamatory against many who were never perpetrators (rechilus). It is also brazenly pornographic, which is why rabbonim banned it several times. He continues to poison children's mind with schmutz.

Elul. Nu?

Hey, if you think bleach in your eyes is no big deal and the damage is only temporary, would you be willing to have bleach sprayed in your eyes as a demonstration? Put up or shut up!

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 Sep 03, 2015 at 01:06 PM MAYERFREUND Says:

Reply to #4  
jack25 Says:

The fact that one Jew sprayed bleach at another Jew doesn't bother?!

I asked a number of dayanim and they all said the only way, you have go to a beis din first then if they give you a hetter then you can report it, other wise it is called mesirah.

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 Sep 03, 2015 at 01:08 PM ayinglefunadorf Says:

Reply to #1  
MAYERFREUND Says:

Can some one explain why "mesirah" is halachigly allowed according to this Rosenberg guy.

"Why mesirah is halachigly allowed according to this Rosenberg..." Since we dont have a Sanhedrin, Sajftim and Sajtrim. We dont have our own police to save us us from murderers. If a Rebbe,Rosh Yeshivah, or relative of yours is attacked by another Yew ,your obligation is to call the Police.

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 Sep 03, 2015 at 01:14 PM BarryLS1 Says:

Reply to #1  
MAYERFREUND Says:

Can some one explain why "mesirah" is halachigly allowed according to this Rosenberg guy.

Very simple and hundreds of Rabbonim have said so. It is NOT mesirah. These abusers are Rodfim who destroy Yiddishe Neshmah's. The crime is on the part of those who shield those perverts.

Do you have any idea how many people have gone off the Derech or ch'v even committed suicide because of them? How can you defend that?

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 Sep 03, 2015 at 01:45 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #12  
ayinglefunadorf Says:

"Why mesirah is halachigly allowed according to this Rosenberg..." Since we dont have a Sanhedrin, Sajftim and Sajtrim. We dont have our own police to save us us from murderers. If a Rebbe,Rosh Yeshivah, or relative of yours is attacked by another Yew ,your obligation is to call the Police.

ashotehfundorf:

Since when is Rosenberg qualified to pasken such halachos?

Rosenberg filed a civil suit, not a criminal charge. He already did that, and I'm not sure that he had a heter to do so. His going to arka'os for a civil suit has nothing whatsoever to do with police or danger. He has taken halacha into his own hands, and followed a psak halacha he made for himself without any qualification to do so. That's a baal aveiroh to me. If he does not withdraw the court action before Rosh Hashanah, his situation in the Beis Din shel Maaloh will be unenviable. He cannot even show the "saved" neshamos in his own defense. What a pity he has chosen the path of the satan during Elul.

If your intellect was respectable, you would not looking to offer such empty defenses. Perhaps you would connect with him and bring him back to the derech of Torah and Yir'as Shomayim. While you are at it, help him shut down his pornography hotline.

Lastly, get a spellchecker. It is doubly painful to read you comments, lacking in both content and literacy.

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 Sep 03, 2015 at 01:58 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
MAYERFREUND Says:

Can some one explain why "mesirah" is halachigly allowed according to this Rosenberg guy.

1. Because there is no such thing as Mesirah anymore, certainly in the United States.
2. even if it were, you should learn the dinim of mesirah instead of using cries of mesirah to help Jewish criminal avoid prosecution.
3. look up "lo sa'amod b'dam rayachah".

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 Sep 03, 2015 at 01:59 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

The facts in this article are mostly inaccurate. Let's examine some of them.

1. Rosenberg is not an advocate for anyone. He makes his career of activism to destroy anyone he wants. Accused perpetrators who may be completely innocent have been destroyed by this "activist". He has never participated or contributed to any efforts to expand prevention in the community. He interacts with the media regularly to cause as much public damage and chilul Hashem as possible.

2. The DA office had documentation about the status of the injuries as temporary, not permanent. This new claim is frivolous, and will be found as such in this new trip to arka'os. Anyone with a heter for this?

3. Mental anguish? What about all the mental anguish he has caused to countless innocent people? So many people attacked on his "hotline" are innocent, just having disagreed with him. Hypocrisy.

4. "lectures in Yiddish and he has publicly identified perpetrators". His hotline is defamatory against many who were never perpetrators (rechilus). It is also brazenly pornographic, which is why rabbonim banned it several times. He continues to poison children's mind with schmutz.

Elul. Nu?

"Elul. Nu? ”

take your own advice.

If what he is doing is illegal or defamatory, sue him.

otherwise, sit down and shut up. Child molesters have been protected by the frum community for far too long.

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 Sep 03, 2015 at 02:21 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
10952Girl Says:

Thanks #2

People do not realize that he is not what the media portrays him to be.
I highly commend people who have brought awareness to child se-xual abuse. But he is not the one that has done it. Most people doing it are behind the scenes, trying to get help for kids, talking to parents on how to teach their kids on the subjectm and getting the perpetrators to pay for their deeds.
NONE OF THEM are in the media or interested to be in the media. They are doing all of this to protect our children, L'shem Shamayim.

Mr. Rosenberg likes to stir the media up and he's found the perfect method. Trying to present himself as the one that is the Nachshon in the molestation issue. He has brought awareness and I give him credit for that, but he's definitely not having the children in mind.

I know, because I am part of a group of activists behind the scene. He sometimes creates more issues by running to the media. There are child activists that mean the children, & there are people who take on an issue because it will put them in the media. This is the difference between him and the real child activists.
May we be zoche to Moshiach who will be the ultimate protection for our kids

who cares about anything you say here? the issue is that someone assaulted him by throwing bleach in his face.

nothing you say is relevant to that. If he did something unacceptable legally, a complaint should have been filed. anyone who takes the law into his own hands to the point of throwing bleach into a person's face and eyes is not vindicated by anything you claim the victim did. And it is outrageous for you to try to justify what happened to him by saying you don't believe what he does is appropriate.

Once again, so long as chassidim are involved, every crime can be explained away.

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 Sep 03, 2015 at 03:05 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #17  
Anonymous Says:

who cares about anything you say here? the issue is that someone assaulted him by throwing bleach in his face.

nothing you say is relevant to that. If he did something unacceptable legally, a complaint should have been filed. anyone who takes the law into his own hands to the point of throwing bleach into a person's face and eyes is not vindicated by anything you claim the victim did. And it is outrageous for you to try to justify what happened to him by saying you don't believe what he does is appropriate.

Once again, so long as chassidim are involved, every crime can be explained away.

You ignore fact here. This was already litigated in court. That ruling was issued long ago. Now he is going after the guy for money in arka'os. This case is no longer about child abuse advocacy. It is about greed. It is about chilul Hashem, so he can use the anti-Semitic media to paint frum Yidden in a negative light. It is about his agenda to build his own pornographic ego at the expense of others. It is about his rejection of anything halachic and support of the goyishe courts. Well, in my book, those are a stack of aveiros he is playing out in the public eye. At least an adulterer tries to keep his actions secret. The inappropriateness of his actions is exactly what he is doing in this case, and it is fully relevant.

"Taking law into his own hands" is so terrible? How about the defamatory stuff he does to innocent people on his hotline? I don't agree with throwing bleach into anyone's face. But Rosenberg takes law and halacha into his own hands, with dishonesty, fabrication, and chilul Hashem. Elul?

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 Sep 03, 2015 at 03:07 PM 10952Girl Says:

#17 Would you not defend yourself if someone threatened you with your life?????

It was self defense in the spur of the moment, but the media doesn't like to say that.

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 Sep 03, 2015 at 03:10 PM 10952Girl Says:

"And it is outrageous for you to try to justify what happened to him"

Calm down. Nobody said that it was OK for him to have bleach thrown on his face? Of course that wasn't OK.

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 Sep 03, 2015 at 03:13 PM Professor Says:

Reply to #10  
Bleach is Good for the Eyes Says:

Hey, if you think bleach in your eyes is no big deal and the damage is only temporary, would you be willing to have bleach sprayed in your eyes as a demonstration? Put up or shut up!

Bleach can be real harmful.
In this case, however, seems like the DA has decided that there was NO significant damage done.

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 Sep 03, 2015 at 03:32 PM Insider Says:

In a comprehensive evaluation, Nachum Rosenberg is a true hero. The whole issue of child abuse within the Orthodox community, always swept under the rug, has come to public scrutiny only because of Nachum Rosenberg and not, as inferred, by super-secret and super-silent askonim. Yes, Nachum Rosenberg may have overstepped certain red lines. Nevertheless, he would not have the community otherwise. Everyone supported Weberman - before the conviction. However, now that support has totally evaporated. No one contributed to his appeal. Oh yes, there was a rally for support - but no one showed up nor gave a penny. While the dust of child abuse has not yet settled within the frum community, it was Nachum Rosenberg that generated the fight against it. His methods were most unconventional, emotionally unwelcome, and he is paying the price for the agitation. He is a hero and will be Heavenly rewarded.

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 Sep 03, 2015 at 04:59 PM Abba_S Says:

While I don't agree that anyone should be throwing bleach or anything else at someone else. I also don't believe he can collect because his assailant probably doesn't have assets to pay. Even if he currently has assets to pay he can dispose of them prior to the end of the trial. Also the statute of limitation gives you only one year to file a claim for assault and if it happened in 2012 it's over 3 years.

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 Sep 03, 2015 at 05:08 PM mark meyer appel Says:

Reb nuchem is the only person who showed up in court to support the victims for many years.
thanks to him we have a safer community

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 Sep 03, 2015 at 05:59 PM WTF? Says:

Reply to #19  
10952Girl Says:

#17 Would you not defend yourself if someone threatened you with your life?????

It was self defense in the spur of the moment, but the media doesn't like to say that.

What the he!! are you talking about? Self defense? Huh?

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 Sep 03, 2015 at 04:02 PM cyrano Says:

There is no such thing as truth; there is only narrative. Ask Hillary if you don't believe me. The following is also a narrative:

Rosenberg entered Meilich Schnitzler's fish store shop and began berating the customers in the store for patronizing Schnitzler's business. He shouted that Schnitzler's father is a child molester (unproven) and therefore everyone must boycott his son's store.

Schnitzler, who was outraged by Rosenberg's behavior, was at that time cleaning his store window with Windex spray. Schnitzler ordered Rosenberg out of his store, pursued him into the street and sprayed Rosenberg in the face using the Windex spray that was in his hand.

#17, if you were the judge and the facts were presented to you as above, how would you rule? In Texas, if you verbally attack someone as Rosenberg did, you can expect to get what Rosenberg got. True, Rosenberg was merely using words, but in Texas them's fightin' words.

There you have it: Much ado about nothing; a barroom brawl that just got out of hand.

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 Sep 03, 2015 at 04:24 PM Maven Says:

Reply to #22  
Insider Says:

In a comprehensive evaluation, Nachum Rosenberg is a true hero. The whole issue of child abuse within the Orthodox community, always swept under the rug, has come to public scrutiny only because of Nachum Rosenberg and not, as inferred, by super-secret and super-silent askonim. Yes, Nachum Rosenberg may have overstepped certain red lines. Nevertheless, he would not have the community otherwise. Everyone supported Weberman - before the conviction. However, now that support has totally evaporated. No one contributed to his appeal. Oh yes, there was a rally for support - but no one showed up nor gave a penny. While the dust of child abuse has not yet settled within the frum community, it was Nachum Rosenberg that generated the fight against it. His methods were most unconventional, emotionally unwelcome, and he is paying the price for the agitation. He is a hero and will be Heavenly rewarded.

Heavenly rewarded.....are you for real?
For what? for trashing every single Ehrlica Yid with fabricated outargues stories?

For taking openly the most outrageous disgusting Nivel Peh?

For running to the media creating the greatest Chilul Hashem spewing all kind of libels against the Orthodox community?

For taunting and harassing Rabbonim becuase they wont give in to his twisted crazy ideas?

For checking out every woman on Lee ave so that he will have what to talk about on his menivoolisha hotline?

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 Sep 03, 2015 at 06:14 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #14  
Anonymous Says:

ashotehfundorf:

Since when is Rosenberg qualified to pasken such halachos?

Rosenberg filed a civil suit, not a criminal charge. He already did that, and I'm not sure that he had a heter to do so. His going to arka'os for a civil suit has nothing whatsoever to do with police or danger. He has taken halacha into his own hands, and followed a psak halacha he made for himself without any qualification to do so. That's a baal aveiroh to me. If he does not withdraw the court action before Rosh Hashanah, his situation in the Beis Din shel Maaloh will be unenviable. He cannot even show the "saved" neshamos in his own defense. What a pity he has chosen the path of the satan during Elul.

If your intellect was respectable, you would not looking to offer such empty defenses. Perhaps you would connect with him and bring him back to the derech of Torah and Yir'as Shomayim. While you are at it, help him shut down his pornography hotline.

Lastly, get a spellchecker. It is doubly painful to read you comments, lacking in both content and literacy.

nobody asked you to be a posek. no one asked you whether it was okay to file a laesuit.

you morons who worry about mesirah, which many hold does not exist today in the US, seem to have no problem with someone trying to blind and disfigure someone else.

And you do not speak for the Bais Din Shel Maaloh, and certainly have idea what and how it finds. Your arrogance [pretending that you do is staggeringly arrogant

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 Sep 03, 2015 at 06:21 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #18  
Anonymous Says:

You ignore fact here. This was already litigated in court. That ruling was issued long ago. Now he is going after the guy for money in arka'os. This case is no longer about child abuse advocacy. It is about greed. It is about chilul Hashem, so he can use the anti-Semitic media to paint frum Yidden in a negative light. It is about his agenda to build his own pornographic ego at the expense of others. It is about his rejection of anything halachic and support of the goyishe courts. Well, in my book, those are a stack of aveiros he is playing out in the public eye. At least an adulterer tries to keep his actions secret. The inappropriateness of his actions is exactly what he is doing in this case, and it is fully relevant.

"Taking law into his own hands" is so terrible? How about the defamatory stuff he does to innocent people on his hotline? I don't agree with throwing bleach into anyone's face. But Rosenberg takes law and halacha into his own hands, with dishonesty, fabrication, and chilul Hashem. Elul?

every point you make is opinionm, n ot fact, and more Chilul Hashem and Loshon Horah than he could possibly be guilty of.

And I love apologists who make statements like yours: of course no one should throw bleach in another's face, BUT...

as a fact, not opinion, I can tell you that the secular civil courts are ten times more honest and less corrupt than botei dinim.

Having been involved in many different cases before besdin, both as a participant and/or a witness, with the exception of two or three botei dinim in NYC, Monsey and Lakewood, as a RULE, botei dinim are corrupt and dishonest, and whoever can pay a bigger bribe will win.

After what I ahve seen, I will never honor a hazmonoh from besdin, nor will I allow family or friends to. I tell them that civil court may not be perfect, but they look perfect compared to bes din.

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 Sep 03, 2015 at 06:23 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #19  
10952Girl Says:

#17 Would you not defend yourself if someone threatened you with your life?????

It was self defense in the spur of the moment, but the media doesn't like to say that.

whose life was threatened? are you claiming that the real victim was the person who brought bleach with him coincidently and happened to use it in self-defense?

if so, you are too stupid to argue with.

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 Sep 03, 2015 at 06:23 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #20  
10952Girl Says:

"And it is outrageous for you to try to justify what happened to him"

Calm down. Nobody said that it was OK for him to have bleach thrown on his face? Of course that wasn't OK.

if you think that, you obviously haven't read any of the comments here.

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 Sep 03, 2015 at 06:24 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #21  
Professor Says:

Bleach can be real harmful.
In this case, however, seems like the DA has decided that there was NO significant damage done.

the D.A. is not a doctor, and clearly its opinion is being disputed.

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 Sep 03, 2015 at 07:30 PM savtat Says:

I know someone whose daughter was "bleached" in Yerushalayim.... she was dressed properly, but some thought that she didn't have the right to walk on their street. She got over it, but I am still outraged. What kind of people have we become?

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 Sep 03, 2015 at 07:33 PM Uberchuchum Says:

Reply to #23  
Abba_S Says:

While I don't agree that anyone should be throwing bleach or anything else at someone else. I also don't believe he can collect because his assailant probably doesn't have assets to pay. Even if he currently has assets to pay he can dispose of them prior to the end of the trial. Also the statute of limitation gives you only one year to file a claim for assault and if it happened in 2012 it's over 3 years.

Abba_S,

You need to let lawyers be lawyers and stop pretending you know what you are talking about.

Schnitzler pleaded guilty to a felony. Crime victims have a special statute of limitations, CPLR 213-b:

"Notwithstanding any other limitation set forth in this article or in article five of the estates, powers and trusts law, an action by a crime victim, or the representative of a crime victim, as defined in subdivision six of section six hundred twenty-one of the executive law, may be commenced to recover damages from a defendant: (1) convicted of a crime which is the subject of such action, for any injury or loss resulting therefrom within seven years of the date of the crime...."

And about him not having assets, have you ever heard of Schnitzler's Famous Fish at 326 Roebling Street? Judgments are good for 20 years, my friend.

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 Sep 03, 2015 at 07:35 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #25  
WTF? Says:

What the he!! are you talking about? Self defense? Huh?

Not exactly self defense. But there was a context. Rosenberg was publicly attacking this perpetrators relative with unproven and unsubstantiated accusations that were defamatory. This was the guy's reaction. We do not need to condone this act of violence. But Rosenberg deserved something for doing his usual character assassination. So one victim (family) reacted. Some commenters try to make out this guy to be a tzaddik. Well, t'ain't true. Again, we should not approve violence. But this guy deserved it.

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 Sep 03, 2015 at 09:39 PM run him out of town Says:

Reply to #24  
mark meyer appel Says:

Reb nuchem is the only person who showed up in court to support the victims for many years.
thanks to him we have a safer community

really? he gave us a safer community??? there are really normal people who are advocating for these victims, Rosenberg not being one of them. His mental anguish, etc. is all in his own sick mind. This is not the only subject he has taken to the police. He didn't like it when someone made a campfire because the smoke "made him sick" so he called the cops.
A muser was punished severely when we had a bais hamikdash and should be punished accordingly now as well.

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 Sep 03, 2015 at 09:57 PM JackC Says:

Reply to #21  
Professor Says:

Bleach can be real harmful.
In this case, however, seems like the DA has decided that there was NO significant damage done.

DA decided not to bring criminal charges. He could have done this for many reasons, especially as it notes that Shnitzler had agreed to plead guilty.

It does not mean that there are no damages - this now is a civil matter and a jury will decide, by a preponderance of the evidence whether there are damages. I certainly don't know the long term consequences, and I'm glad that nobody attacked me that way.

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 Sep 03, 2015 at 11:41 PM No Monkey Business Says:

The fact is, that many rabbonim including both Satmar Rebbes knew good and well about Nechemya Weberman. All the charges that were brought forth in court, were first told over to these rabbonim. Now, what did they do about it??????? We all know the answer!!!!!
While all these rabbonim were hosting massive fundraisers for Weberman, and defaming the victim (including Aaron Teitelbaum calling her a "zoinne" in a public speech), Nuchem Rosenberg gave them the emotional support and courage they so desperately needed.

Some might say that Nuchem is a bit crazy or extreme. That might be true, but the truth is, Nuchem shouldn't have to be doing this. He's spoken to, written letters to, and even gone down to many rabbonim before acting on his own. He's doing the work that the rabbonim should be doing. Had the rabbonim acted, then I can hear people saying that he's a bit radical. Being that he had no choice but to act on his own, no one could complain.

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 Sep 04, 2015 at 05:14 AM Abba_S Says:

Unless the defendant is stupid he is going to transfer his money and assets to a spouse or relative prior to the trial. Also he will reduce his salary so that even if the plaintiff wins and garnishes his salary and has topays 10% of his salary for the next 20 years if all he makes on the books is $100.00 per week all he pays is $10.00 a week for the next 20 years assuming he continues to work.
Goetz was in the subway in 1984 and thought he was being attacked by four black youths and shot them. He was sued by the victims who won a $43 million judgement, but have never collected a dime. They were represented by Ron Kuby a famous civil rights attorney, while Goetz who is not a lawyer, represented himself in the case.
Rosenberg is going to need a lawyer to win the case which will cost at least $ 100,000.00 probably more, so as far as actually going through with this the chances are small. All this is more harassment by Rosenberg.

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 Sep 04, 2015 at 08:26 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #26  
cyrano Says:

There is no such thing as truth; there is only narrative. Ask Hillary if you don't believe me. The following is also a narrative:

Rosenberg entered Meilich Schnitzler's fish store shop and began berating the customers in the store for patronizing Schnitzler's business. He shouted that Schnitzler's father is a child molester (unproven) and therefore everyone must boycott his son's store.

Schnitzler, who was outraged by Rosenberg's behavior, was at that time cleaning his store window with Windex spray. Schnitzler ordered Rosenberg out of his store, pursued him into the street and sprayed Rosenberg in the face using the Windex spray that was in his hand.

#17, if you were the judge and the facts were presented to you as above, how would you rule? In Texas, if you verbally attack someone as Rosenberg did, you can expect to get what Rosenberg got. True, Rosenberg was merely using words, but in Texas them's fightin' words.

There you have it: Much ado about nothing; a barroom brawl that just got out of hand.

this wasn't in Texas, it was in New York, where you go to prison for many years for assualt with intent to blind and disfigure.

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 Sep 04, 2015 at 08:28 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #27  
Maven Says:

Heavenly rewarded.....are you for real?
For what? for trashing every single Ehrlica Yid with fabricated outargues stories?

For taking openly the most outrageous disgusting Nivel Peh?

For running to the media creating the greatest Chilul Hashem spewing all kind of libels against the Orthodox community?

For taunting and harassing Rabbonim becuase they wont give in to his twisted crazy ideas?

For checking out every woman on Lee ave so that he will have what to talk about on his menivoolisha hotline?

this is not about how nice or not rosenberg is.

this is about felony assault. rosenberg's personality or talk does not vindicate a physical attack, you morons!

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 Sep 04, 2015 at 08:32 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #35  
Anonymous Says:

Not exactly self defense. But there was a context. Rosenberg was publicly attacking this perpetrators relative with unproven and unsubstantiated accusations that were defamatory. This was the guy's reaction. We do not need to condone this act of violence. But Rosenberg deserved something for doing his usual character assassination. So one victim (family) reacted. Some commenters try to make out this guy to be a tzaddik. Well, t'ain't true. Again, we should not approve violence. But this guy deserved it.

no one deserves physical violence for what he said. And the Courts will support that, not like the chassidishe community, which will cover up child molestation and every other menuvaldig thing so long as the perpetrator is frum.

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 Sep 04, 2015 at 09:49 AM Uberchuchem Says:

Reply to #39  
Abba_S Says:

Unless the defendant is stupid he is going to transfer his money and assets to a spouse or relative prior to the trial. Also he will reduce his salary so that even if the plaintiff wins and garnishes his salary and has topays 10% of his salary for the next 20 years if all he makes on the books is $100.00 per week all he pays is $10.00 a week for the next 20 years assuming he continues to work.
Goetz was in the subway in 1984 and thought he was being attacked by four black youths and shot them. He was sued by the victims who won a $43 million judgement, but have never collected a dime. They were represented by Ron Kuby a famous civil rights attorney, while Goetz who is not a lawyer, represented himself in the case.
Rosenberg is going to need a lawyer to win the case which will cost at least $ 100,000.00 probably more, so as far as actually going through with this the chances are small. All this is more harassment by Rosenberg.

I guess you have never heard of Debtor Creditor Law 273:

"Every conveyance made and every obligation incurred by a person who is or will be thereby rendered insolvent is fraudulent as to creditors without regard to his actual intent if the conveyance is made or the obligation is incurred without a fair consideration."

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 Sep 04, 2015 at 11:08 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #36  
run him out of town Says:

really? he gave us a safer community??? there are really normal people who are advocating for these victims, Rosenberg not being one of them. His mental anguish, etc. is all in his own sick mind. This is not the only subject he has taken to the police. He didn't like it when someone made a campfire because the smoke "made him sick" so he called the cops.
A muser was punished severely when we had a bais hamikdash and should be punished accordingly now as well.

"He didn't like it when someone made a campfire because the smoke "made him sick" so he called the cops.
A muser was punished severely when we had a bais hamikdash and should be punished accordingly now as well."

CAMP FIRES ARE ILLEGAL IN BROOKLYN. Idiot

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 Sep 04, 2015 at 11:03 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #43  
Anonymous Says:

no one deserves physical violence for what he said. And the Courts will support that, not like the chassidishe community, which will cover up child molestation and every other menuvaldig thing so long as the perpetrator is frum.

This man, whom many of you despise, greatly helped my 7 year old nephew when he was molested along with two others in yeshiva. Rosenberg found a LICENSED in NY (not like your Weberman) therapist who greatly helped. He refers victims to properly trained therapists who REPORT to the police.

In New Square, when a little boy is molested, no one is allowed to go to the police. NO ONE!!! Do you know how many of these tots will go OTD shortly?

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 Sep 04, 2015 at 11:09 AM Yerachmiel Lopin Says:

1. People are spouting amaratzus about mesirah here. They should be talking about arcaos since this is a civil lawsuit.

2. Rabbi Rosenberg has high quality smichah from Rav Yechiel Epstein Z"L, a highly respected dayan on the beis din of the eidah charedis. He is capable of paskening a heter arcaos because the other party refused to go to beis din, which is in fact the case.

3. I believe r. Rosenberg has accomplished a lot of good though could wish for a different style. But we have no one else directly educating the public about ugly realities that must be stopped.

4. Even if you think he is a bad influence, who ever heard of a Jew defending trying to blind another Jew. He was harmed and he is entitled to damages. Have none of you learned about nezek, tzar, ripui, sheves and boishes. Read your nezikin.

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 Sep 04, 2015 at 12:14 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #41  
Anonymous Says:

this wasn't in Texas, it was in New York, where you go to prison for many years for assualt with intent to blind and disfigure.

Forgive me, I didn't realize that I was participating in legal forum. I believed that I was posting to a forum where people express their thoughts about what is objectively "right" or "wrong". Behavior that is lawful in Texas might indeed be illegal in New York, but as morally correct people, that should not stop us from searching for objectively, not politically, correct thought. I brought up Texas to illustrate a context for a different way of thinking, not to apply Texas law to New York.

Socrates (who buy the way WAS a pedophile; it was perfectly legal in his day) was condemned to death in ancient Greece because he broke the law. He preached that people should search for the truth not the law. He was thus convicted of "corrupting" the youth of Greece.

Oh, by the way, even in New York when a person verbally provokes a fight and gets injured in a fracas that he instigated, his assailant does not without fail "go
to prison for many years"; it depends on many factors, one of them whether the assailant exhibited unprovoked violence in the past. In this case, Schnitzler had never before been in trouble with the law, hence the proffered "deal".

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 Sep 04, 2015 at 03:57 PM Abba_S Says:

Reply to #44  
Uberchuchem Says:

I guess you have never heard of Debtor Creditor Law 273:

"Every conveyance made and every obligation incurred by a person who is or will be thereby rendered insolvent is fraudulent as to creditors without regard to his actual intent if the conveyance is made or the obligation is incurred without a fair consideration."

You are right but the burden of proof is on R' Rosenberg to prove that his assailant gave away his assets. As I previously stated Bernie Geotz who represented himself in the civil case was able to never paid a dime for his $43 million judgement you think this guy who has the backing of the Hasidic community is going to.

Remember he had legal fees from his criminal case so maybe in order to pay them off he had to sell the business to his wife.

Also R' Rosenberg can only sue his assailant not the store. likewise the store's insurance will not pay in this case so if the assailant has no money or assets and decides to learn in kollel,for the next 20 years. Rosenberg wouldn't collect a dime. It only cost about $100.00 to file a claim but if he want to win this case it will cost hundreds of thousands of dollars for experts testimony and legal expenses. Rosenberg has to prove that he suffered permanent damage which is in contradiction with what the DA presented in court.

I am not a lawyer but I just don't see this going to court it probably a publicity stunt.
I could be wrong.

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 Sep 04, 2015 at 04:07 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #47  
Yerachmiel Lopin Says:

1. People are spouting amaratzus about mesirah here. They should be talking about arcaos since this is a civil lawsuit.

2. Rabbi Rosenberg has high quality smichah from Rav Yechiel Epstein Z"L, a highly respected dayan on the beis din of the eidah charedis. He is capable of paskening a heter arcaos because the other party refused to go to beis din, which is in fact the case.

3. I believe r. Rosenberg has accomplished a lot of good though could wish for a different style. But we have no one else directly educating the public about ugly realities that must be stopped.

4. Even if you think he is a bad influence, who ever heard of a Jew defending trying to blind another Jew. He was harmed and he is entitled to damages. Have none of you learned about nezek, tzar, ripui, sheves and boishes. Read your nezikin.

Point by point:

1. Correct. Except that NR has been guilty of mesirah before, and recognizes no beis din. He brazenly trashes halacha.
2. Did he summon Schnitzler to beis din? If yes, which one? See #1.
3. Educating the public? Which public? The readers of the NYP or Channel 7? The ones to be educated are the parents of our school children, and he is not a participant of any of the programs that were developed for yeshivos, schools, or communities. There are now B"H many such programs, and they are being improved all the time. The real answer to the problem is prevention, and NR has never participated in anything. He only busies himself with trashing about the frum community. He destroys, he does not build or protect.
4. Let's address bad influence. He circulated his hotline numbers to children. He spells out to them much pornographic information that is way beyond their need to know. Ask experts in prevention, safe touch, etc. No one considers his hotline healthy information. In fact, he has damaged many times more children with his hotline than was done by molesters in total. Lastly, the DA had documentation about the damage. Challenge?

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 Sep 06, 2015 at 12:03 AM Uberchuchum Says:

Reply to #49  
Abba_S Says:

You are right but the burden of proof is on R' Rosenberg to prove that his assailant gave away his assets. As I previously stated Bernie Geotz who represented himself in the civil case was able to never paid a dime for his $43 million judgement you think this guy who has the backing of the Hasidic community is going to.

Remember he had legal fees from his criminal case so maybe in order to pay them off he had to sell the business to his wife.

Also R' Rosenberg can only sue his assailant not the store. likewise the store's insurance will not pay in this case so if the assailant has no money or assets and decides to learn in kollel,for the next 20 years. Rosenberg wouldn't collect a dime. It only cost about $100.00 to file a claim but if he want to win this case it will cost hundreds of thousands of dollars for experts testimony and legal expenses. Rosenberg has to prove that he suffered permanent damage which is in contradiction with what the DA presented in court.

I am not a lawyer but I just don't see this going to court it probably a publicity stunt.
I could be wrong.

1) How much do you think his legal fees were for the criminal case? He pleaded guilty. What did he pay the lawyer? $10K?

2) It costs $210 to file a claim in NY. Lot you know.

3) The DA did not present anything in court. Schnitzler pleaded guilty in exchange for a deal. The transcript of the plea is on line. So what are you talking about when you say the DA presented anything in court?

4) Hundreds of thousands of dollars for experts' testimony and legal expenses? Really? On what planet? A doctor gets $5-10K to testify. Legal fees in injury cases are usually on contingency. And even of they weren't--Schnitzler pleaded guilty. So there is no issue of proving liability. The only issue is damages. So the trial will be one day of medical testimony and a jury verdict. Big deal about the legal fees.

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 Sep 06, 2015 at 02:38 PM Abba_S Says:

Reply to #51  
Uberchuchum Says:

1) How much do you think his legal fees were for the criminal case? He pleaded guilty. What did he pay the lawyer? $10K?

2) It costs $210 to file a claim in NY. Lot you know.

3) The DA did not present anything in court. Schnitzler pleaded guilty in exchange for a deal. The transcript of the plea is on line. So what are you talking about when you say the DA presented anything in court?

4) Hundreds of thousands of dollars for experts' testimony and legal expenses? Really? On what planet? A doctor gets $5-10K to testify. Legal fees in injury cases are usually on contingency. And even of they weren't--Schnitzler pleaded guilty. So there is no issue of proving liability. The only issue is damages. So the trial will be one day of medical testimony and a jury verdict. Big deal about the legal fees.

1) I have no idea what Schnitzer's legal expenses were ? But he can claim that he sold the business to pay it. and Rosenberg has to prove it.. Rosenberg has to subpoena his lawyer to find out how much he was paid and pay him for his time, which is going to cost him between $200.00 - $500.00 per hours for at least 4 hours $800.00- $2,000.00 plus traveling expenses. This assumes travel time from his office to the place he is testifying is an hour or less and his testimony starts as soon as he gets there otherwise it can get very expensive. Likewise his traveling expenses are also paid by Rosenberg.
2) Are you talking about Civil Court or Supreme Court?
3)Are you saying that in order to charge someone with assault the DA in NYC doesn't have to go before a grand jury?Even if you don't consider the Grand Jury as "presenting anything in court." what about the plea agreement isn't that "anything in court."
4) It is not a slam dunk for Rosenberg he has to prove he was permanently damaged and convince a jury in Brooklyn. Was Schnitzler served with a summons?
If not good luck finding him. He is probably in KJ or EY out of reach of a process server so the case never starts

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 Sep 08, 2015 at 03:14 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #52  
Abba_S Says:

1) I have no idea what Schnitzer's legal expenses were ? But he can claim that he sold the business to pay it. and Rosenberg has to prove it.. Rosenberg has to subpoena his lawyer to find out how much he was paid and pay him for his time, which is going to cost him between $200.00 - $500.00 per hours for at least 4 hours $800.00- $2,000.00 plus traveling expenses. This assumes travel time from his office to the place he is testifying is an hour or less and his testimony starts as soon as he gets there otherwise it can get very expensive. Likewise his traveling expenses are also paid by Rosenberg.
2) Are you talking about Civil Court or Supreme Court?
3)Are you saying that in order to charge someone with assault the DA in NYC doesn't have to go before a grand jury?Even if you don't consider the Grand Jury as "presenting anything in court." what about the plea agreement isn't that "anything in court."
4) It is not a slam dunk for Rosenberg he has to prove he was permanently damaged and convince a jury in Brooklyn. Was Schnitzler served with a summons?
If not good luck finding him. He is probably in KJ or EY out of reach of a process server so the case never starts

you have no knowledge of the law at all.

You don't know the difference between civil court and supreme court, civil and criminal court, or anything about grand juries.

you also have no knowledge about convicting someone "in absentia", which is much much worse for the defendant, since he does not, by definition, defend himself.

why are you commenters all so stupid?

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 Sep 08, 2015 at 04:33 PM ActualJew Says:

I wish this good man luck and success in his case against these vile rashim. I would love to be on the jury.
PS- any Brooklyn jury will side with him. The string of abuse claims and bad behavior by "frum" residents makes them side with what they consider the lesser of two evils. Same thing in Lakewood and Deal, NJ. that is why Jewish perps plead guilty - they know that their neighbors will send them up the river.

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