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Brooklyn, NY - Report: DOE Plans To Visit Yeshivas As Part Of Investigation Into Secular Education

Published on: October 9, 2015 11:11 AM
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FILE - An Ultra Orthodox Jew walks by a Jewish school bus, which has a Yiddish sign on the front, in the Borough Park neighborhood of southwestern Brooklyn, New York City on January 1, 2014.FILE - An Ultra Orthodox Jew walks by a Jewish school bus, which has a Yiddish sign on the front, in the Borough Park neighborhood of southwestern Brooklyn, New York City on January 1, 2014.

Brooklyn, NY - In response to criticism over its announcement that it would initially rely solely on reports and data submitted by 39 city yeshivas amid charges that the schools are failing to meet state guidelines with regard to offering secular education, DOE officials are changing course and now say school visits will be conducted as part of the probe.

THEJEWISHWEEK.com (http://bit.ly/1VIlcok) reports that at a press briefing last week Deputy Chancellor Josh Wallack revealed that superintendents will in fact be visiting the yeshivas, but stressed that visitations will be to “offer support” and “partner with those programs, to learn more about what they’re doing.”

Echoing that sentiment, Schools Chancellor Carmen Fariña said, “We’re not coming in as chief inspectors, we’re coming in as chief supporters, and I think that’s where we can do something.”

Reaction to the DOE’s announcement from the public and city activists has been tepid.

Naftuli Moster, whose Young Advocates for Fair Education or YAFFED have been major players in forcing the probe, said, “The news, if accurate, is encouraging. It’s the right thing for DOE to do, and so I’m cautiously optimistic now that this investigation will be the kind of investigation we’ve been asking for.”


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 Oct 09, 2015 at 11:28 AM Judith Says:

No word yet on whether the visits will be pre-announced or not.

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 Oct 09, 2015 at 11:33 AM CHANA1 Says:

My son's school has not yet even started secular studies this year, he's in 6th grade!

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 Oct 09, 2015 at 11:49 AM bennyt Says:

It's very simple to figure out what they're doing; they're taking the money for secular education and using it for something else.

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 Oct 09, 2015 at 12:27 PM Anonymous Says:

As the parent of a former public school student , I think they should concentrate on the public schools .they can't get that right ,how are they going to advise the Yeshivas ????

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 Oct 09, 2015 at 12:58 PM ModernLakewoodGuy Says:

haha this reminds me of when I was in yeshivah back in BP. Every few months we would have food inspectors. We knew it was inspector day because instead of a pile of slop in a dirty bowl, we would get clean trays, clean bowls, fresh veggies, fruit, protein and choice of milk or juice. The next day it was back to spoiled milk and some kind of blob of spaggheti. I felt bad for the schools - once a month they would actually have to spend the money they were given for food, on food!

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 Oct 09, 2015 at 02:56 PM yaakov doe Says:

If the Department of Education has schools under it's direct control public where only 10% of the students are reading at grade level, and high schools where fewer than 30% graduate, how can they advise anyone about anything.

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 Oct 09, 2015 at 03:00 PM albroker Says:

Reply to #2  
CHANA1 Says:

My son's school has not yet even started secular studies this year, he's in 6th grade!

remember parnossa comes from the ONE ABOVE not from college, the folks who own BH have no college education yet have hundreds of underlings that went and paid for college working for them on their terms the same for all the real estate and business mavens that the frum have, who have no college education.

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 Oct 09, 2015 at 03:08 PM Anonymous Says:

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CHANA1 Says:

My son's school has not yet even started secular studies this year, he's in 6th grade!

That's no one's fault but yours! If the Hanhala doesn't conduct the school in the manner which you require, why are you sending your child there???

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 Oct 09, 2015 at 03:13 PM Anonymous Says:

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Judith Says:

No word yet on whether the visits will be pre-announced or not.

Inspections should be conducted the same way obamaagreed to handle Iranian inspections of their nuclear sites: let the yeshivas inspect themselves!!!

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 Oct 09, 2015 at 03:15 PM Anonymous Says:

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ModernLakewoodGuy Says:

haha this reminds me of when I was in yeshivah back in BP. Every few months we would have food inspectors. We knew it was inspector day because instead of a pile of slop in a dirty bowl, we would get clean trays, clean bowls, fresh veggies, fruit, protein and choice of milk or juice. The next day it was back to spoiled milk and some kind of blob of spaggheti. I felt bad for the schools - once a month they would actually have to spend the money they were given for food, on food!

As if we didn't need more evidence that you're a self hating rebel!

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 Oct 09, 2015 at 03:17 PM Anonymous Says:

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albroker Says:

remember parnossa comes from the ONE ABOVE not from college, the folks who own BH have no college education yet have hundreds of underlings that went and paid for college working for them on their terms the same for all the real estate and business mavens that the frum have, who have no college education.

Agree! I know brilliant, successful individuals who didn't finish (or attend) college. And I know some really illiterate, unintelligent (and even somewhat mentally unstable!) people who have college degrees! It means nothing nowadays.

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 Oct 09, 2015 at 04:08 PM boroparkermom Says:

Reply to #2  
CHANA1 Says:

My son's school has not yet even started secular studies this year, he's in 6th grade!

You should be getting a tuition refund !!

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 Oct 09, 2015 at 04:10 PM Anonymous Says:

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albroker Says:

remember parnossa comes from the ONE ABOVE not from college, the folks who own BH have no college education yet have hundreds of underlings that went and paid for college working for them on their terms the same for all the real estate and business mavens that the frum have, who have no college education.

It's a little more complicated than that. There will always be outliers in every group. There are many people with degrees that are barely making a living but there are also many people in Monsey, BP, KJ, and Willy that are on the poverty level. The amount of families that are on social programs in those neighborhoods is dispoportionally higher than other non chasidic frum neighborhoods that have a high degree of professionals and business people with college degrees. Although, I can't predict the future I believe that this will only get worse as the gap is widening making it more difficult for people to get out of the cycle of poverty. As a mother of many boys I would feel uncomfortbale and shirking my responsibility as a parent if I sent my sons down the Chuppah without a college degree so he will prepared for the realities out there. I certainly do hope that my sons do become real estate magnets but until then.....

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 Oct 09, 2015 at 04:45 PM Anonymous Says:

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albroker Says:

remember parnossa comes from the ONE ABOVE not from college, the folks who own BH have no college education yet have hundreds of underlings that went and paid for college working for them on their terms the same for all the real estate and business mavens that the frum have, who have no college education.

The majorty of us are not business savy and need a 9-5 decent salaried job. We wouldn't make money owning businesses. For us simple guys the ONE ABOVE wants us to make hishdatdlus. Thats a secular education

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 Oct 09, 2015 at 04:48 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
albroker Says:

remember parnossa comes from the ONE ABOVE not from college, the folks who own BH have no college education yet have hundreds of underlings that went and paid for college working for them on their terms the same for all the real estate and business mavens that the frum have, who have no college education.

One cannot compare the public school system to yeshivas. Most public school children have sociological factors that impeed their success. They achieve less and often drop out due to unstable factors. You would have to compare the secular education in yeshivas to an upper scale non immigrant, stable community system. In that case we are far behind

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 Oct 09, 2015 at 04:52 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
albroker Says:

remember parnossa comes from the ONE ABOVE not from college, the folks who own BH have no college education yet have hundreds of underlings that went and paid for college working for them on their terms the same for all the real estate and business mavens that the frum have, who have no college education.

Before we start the debate as to whether we need a secualr eduaction for a job or not please answer the following.
Honsetly what are our 9th graders doing in lieu of a secular education? Are they really cut out to learn a whole day? We are talking about 9th graders not mature kollel guys. I have mentored kids. The ninth graders in both the yeshivsha and chassdish socities learn to be liedigars. They sit & hock and do nothing with their time. Chassidm are busy with rebisha hock all day. And litfish with yeshivisha hock. Even the rosh mesiftas struggle with the issue. One of thier biggest concern is the amount of free time that these kids have. And mostly they are not cut out to sit & learn all day. So how is their day being occuped?
I have yet to see one anti secular study commenter answer my question. I think its because there is no answer.

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 Oct 09, 2015 at 04:54 PM zasizest Says:

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bennyt Says:

It's very simple to figure out what they're doing; they're taking the money for secular education and using it for something else.

The state doesn't give anything for the yeshivas before u open your mouth they get a little help for food meals $1.75 per student per meal.

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 Oct 09, 2015 at 05:05 PM LionofZion Says:

#7, you honestly feel that none of the people shnoring and living on section 8, and others falls my to temptation to engage in unlawful ways to make a Parnosa would not have benefited from learning how to make an honest living? This idea of doing nothing to prepare children to work is a new phenomena. In Europe people either went to school or learned a trade. The Rambam is very clear about what happens to people who do not. But what did he know, he was just a doctor, and doctors believe in vaccination.

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 Oct 09, 2015 at 05:40 PM MarkTwain2 Says:

What they need is forensic accountants to first identify monetary fraud. Then use that as leverage to force yeshivas to educate value added secular studies during the times it has set aside for such purpose.

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 Oct 10, 2015 at 12:51 PM Menahelet Says:

I am reading this in absolute shock here in Israel. My school just outside of Jerusalem is completely private at the moment, although we hope to obtain our isshurim from Misrad HaChinuch before Chanukah. But our parents don't pay! They totally ignore bills, reminders, & phone calls. Yet we hired the best teachers, we have a luxury dorm fully stocked with nutritious food, all with the top hechscherim, choices of cereals, fruit, vegetables, fleish - you name it, they have it. We are even paying now for private security to protect YOUR daughters.

And you object to inspectors coming in? Halevei they come in to our school! The principals work for free. We don't even have an office computer or printer. We use our personal ones & our own cells, even to call overseas parents. If your yeshivot have government support, use it wisely, in accordance with requirements. If not, close down OR SEND IT TO US, in the same way you send your children over here to "learn". As for keeping going - we will as long as we can, because it is not the girls' fault their parents are cheating us.

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 Oct 10, 2015 at 09:23 PM Yossel Says:

The comparisons to public schools are all straw men arguments. This isn't about public schools or college. This is about ensuring that children have a good grounding in reading and writing English and competence in mathematics. There is no excuse whatsoever for denying children those essential skills.

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