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New York - Brooklyn Kosher-Certification Agency Files Suit Against Local Stores It Claims Are Improperly Using Its Logo

Published on: October 18, 2015 08:07 PM
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Brooklyn, NY - A kosher-certification agency based in Crown Heights has filed suit against several local stores claiming that they are displaying its trademarked symbol without having properly been inspected by company rabbis.

NYPOST.com (http://bit.ly/1RPW66v) reports that in court documents reps for Vaad Hakashrus of Crown Heights Inc. say their patented “CHK” logo was trademarked way back in 2006 insuring only the highest level of kosher quality, but now three Brooklyn liquor stores and two cafes—-as well as an upstate liquor store in Ellenville—-are improperly displaying the logo.

The parties named in the suit filed in Brooklyn federal court are Kingston Bakery, Chocolatte, Eber’s Liquors & Wine, Wine by the Case and Responsible Liquor—-all located in Brooklyn, and Ellenville’s Allied Wine.

Upon learning of the conflict, the owner of Eber’s Liquors & Wines said the store immediately stopped using the logo, however, a Brooklyn industry expert said that the Vaad logo issue has already been settled in rabbinical court and that it was determined that the logo is community property.


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 Oct 18, 2015 at 08:35 PM Anonymous Says:

A frum yid and yirei shamayim can only rely upon a good chassideshe hashgacha, the gold standard of kashruth. Rav Osboda shlita supervises only the best of the best mashgichim who insist upon exacting kashrus standards with respect to foods that are pas yisroel, bishul yisroel and Cholov yisroel. It is highly unlikely that any other hashgacha in Crown Heights, Willy or even BP meets the standards originally set by Rav Marlow, Z'TL and continued by Rav Osboda shlita.

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 Oct 18, 2015 at 09:03 PM yossi Says:

nonsense - I am in the business and there is not necessarily anything better about a hechsher being chassidish. Both types have their pros and cons. Don't kid yourself please.

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 Oct 18, 2015 at 09:05 PM REALIST Says:

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Anonymous Says:

A frum yid and yirei shamayim can only rely upon a good chassideshe hashgacha, the gold standard of kashruth. Rav Osboda shlita supervises only the best of the best mashgichim who insist upon exacting kashrus standards with respect to foods that are pas yisroel, bishul yisroel and Cholov yisroel. It is highly unlikely that any other hashgacha in Crown Heights, Willy or even BP meets the standards originally set by Rav Marlow, Z'TL and continued by Rav Osboda shlita.

I believe the name is Osdoba.

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 Oct 18, 2015 at 09:10 PM Sociologist Says:

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Anonymous Says:

A frum yid and yirei shamayim can only rely upon a good chassideshe hashgacha, the gold standard of kashruth. Rav Osboda shlita supervises only the best of the best mashgichim who insist upon exacting kashrus standards with respect to foods that are pas yisroel, bishul yisroel and Cholov yisroel. It is highly unlikely that any other hashgacha in Crown Heights, Willy or even BP meets the standards originally set by Rav Marlow, Z'TL and continued by Rav Osboda shlita.

With all due respect, you are naive.

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 Oct 18, 2015 at 09:22 PM Kashrus Pro Says:

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Anonymous Says:

A frum yid and yirei shamayim can only rely upon a good chassideshe hashgacha, the gold standard of kashruth. Rav Osboda shlita supervises only the best of the best mashgichim who insist upon exacting kashrus standards with respect to foods that are pas yisroel, bishul yisroel and Cholov yisroel. It is highly unlikely that any other hashgacha in Crown Heights, Willy or even BP meets the standards originally set by Rav Marlow, Z'TL and continued by Rav Osboda shlita.

Im sorry to say you are really foolish if you think that way. I'm sure those may be dropping names of wonderful people but NO ONE knows who they are.

Here's your dose of reality.... your wonderful holier than thou chasidishe hechsheyrim rely on the hard working kashrus professionals found at the OU, Kof-K, OK, and cRc in Chicago just to name a few as so many of your holy rollers wouldn't know what the inside of a manufacturing facility looks like even if they were given 3 free guesses!

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 Oct 18, 2015 at 09:50 PM Anonymous Says:

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Anonymous Says:

A frum yid and yirei shamayim can only rely upon a good chassideshe hashgacha, the gold standard of kashruth. Rav Osboda shlita supervises only the best of the best mashgichim who insist upon exacting kashrus standards with respect to foods that are pas yisroel, bishul yisroel and Cholov yisroel. It is highly unlikely that any other hashgacha in Crown Heights, Willy or even BP meets the standards originally set by Rav Marlow, Z'TL and continued by Rav Osboda shlita.

Get off your high horse. As I recall it was a respected heimish Chasidsha YId who was supplying TREIF MEAT FROM PUERTO RICO in Monsey for years.

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 Oct 18, 2015 at 10:53 PM Kosher Yid Says:

Sadly, Kashrut became a business today. It's all about the money.

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 Oct 18, 2015 at 11:46 PM kleiner nar Says:

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Anonymous Says:

Get off your high horse. As I recall it was a respected heimish Chasidsha YId who was supplying TREIF MEAT FROM PUERTO RICO in Monsey for years.

sorry if I recall that meat department didn't have a chasidisha hechsher

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 Oct 18, 2015 at 11:57 PM Bodek Sakinim Says:

OU and Star-K provide professional training seminars open to the staff of Heimishe hechsherim where they can learn some of the sophisticated tools necessary to administer proper hashgacha in today's food industry. Yiras Shomayim, open access to a world class posek who understands manufacturing and food science and who takes responsibility for his p'sokim, accountability, technical know-how, and solid administrative support are the pre-requisites of a reliable hechsher. Baruch HaShem, the major U.S. hashgochos (OU, Star-K, Kof-K, cRc) meet these criterion.

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 Oct 19, 2015 at 06:50 AM SG11224 Says:

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Anonymous Says:

A frum yid and yirei shamayim can only rely upon a good chassideshe hashgacha, the gold standard of kashruth. Rav Osboda shlita supervises only the best of the best mashgichim who insist upon exacting kashrus standards with respect to foods that are pas yisroel, bishul yisroel and Cholov yisroel. It is highly unlikely that any other hashgacha in Crown Heights, Willy or even BP meets the standards originally set by Rav Marlow, Z'TL and continued by Rav Osboda shlita.

If you really want to know about Kashrus in the USA, just look up Tommy Lucchese.

Today it is nothing more than a shakedown mafia style of the Kosher consumer,
BTW, I would trust Tommy way more to "ENFORCE" kashrus laws than any of the alphabet soup named organizations, although I have had dealing with many.

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 Oct 19, 2015 at 08:17 AM shvigger Says:

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Anonymous Says:

Get off your high horse. As I recall it was a respected heimish Chasidsha YId who was supplying TREIF MEAT FROM PUERTO RICO in Monsey for years.

Wrong! He was not a chassidisha yid.

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 Oct 19, 2015 at 10:31 AM Anonymous Says:

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Anonymous Says:

Get off your high horse. As I recall it was a respected heimish Chasidsha YId who was supplying TREIF MEAT FROM PUERTO RICO in Monsey for years.

The MONSEY FIASCO was entirely the fault of a Litvish ganof and c'v had no official involvement from either Satmar or Chabad mashgichim

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 Oct 19, 2015 at 10:34 AM Anonymous Says:

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Bodek Sakinim Says:

OU and Star-K provide professional training seminars open to the staff of Heimishe hechsherim where they can learn some of the sophisticated tools necessary to administer proper hashgacha in today's food industry. Yiras Shomayim, open access to a world class posek who understands manufacturing and food science and who takes responsibility for his p'sokim, accountability, technical know-how, and solid administrative support are the pre-requisites of a reliable hechsher. Baruch HaShem, the major U.S. hashgochos (OU, Star-K, Kof-K, cRc) meet these criterion.

You are clearly entitled to your opinion and some of these so called "heimeshe" hechsherim are fully capable of providing reliable supervision but ultimately, if someone wants to be 110 percent machmir, there is no substitute for the "real" chassideshe hechsherim and hamayvin yavin who those are. (Hint: This of the "un-Badatz").

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 Oct 19, 2015 at 11:58 AM Do Shefot Hashoftim Says:

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Anonymous Says:

A frum yid and yirei shamayim can only rely upon a good chassideshe hashgacha, the gold standard of kashruth. Rav Osboda shlita supervises only the best of the best mashgichim who insist upon exacting kashrus standards with respect to foods that are pas yisroel, bishul yisroel and Cholov yisroel. It is highly unlikely that any other hashgacha in Crown Heights, Willy or even BP meets the standards originally set by Rav Marlow, Z'TL and continued by Rav Osboda shlita.

This is nothing more than a frivilouse Law Suite by someone who Lost a Din Torah.

There was a Din Torah of Zabla, about who is the True owner of the CHK Hechsher.

Rabbi Osdoba Lost the Din Torah.

Rabbi Osdoba is in contempt of Beis Din for his refusal to comply with this Din Torah, so he now goes to Goyishe Court because in Beis Din he lost, big time.

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 Oct 19, 2015 at 12:45 PM How can any 'CHK' be Kosher? Says:

The true ownership of the CHK symbol is in dispute in the Goyishe courts now.

However the Plaintiff in this so called "new case" now, has already lost the Din Torah, many years ago.

This LOOSER of the Din Torah, now goes against the Din Torah, to Gosyishe Court?!

We must all ask ourselves who's Hechsher can you Trust, if 2 different parties, are in dispute, as to who owns the CHK Hechsher? So how do you know whom to trust?

I think it' self evident that the one who is in contempt of the Psak Din, of the Beis Din of Zabla, can't be trusted.

Because how can the Avaraham O. Hechsher, be Kosher if he himself is not Kosher?

This is even more true in this case, which is primarily about a Hechsher on Wine.

The Halacha is that if someone looses in a Din Torah and does not comply with the Psak Din and is therefore, Automatically in Contempt of Beis Din, such person:

"His Wine is like Yayin Nesech"!
The SHULCHAN ARUCH SAYS so, B'Ferush!

So if the one giving the Hechsher, Avrohom O., is in contempt of Beis Din, and if he is not Kosher himself, so how can his products be Kosher?

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 Oct 19, 2015 at 01:43 PM Kashrus Pro Says:

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Kosher Yid Says:

Sadly, Kashrut became a business today. It's all about the money.

BH that's only your flawed opinion. We're all working hard out here so you could stuff your face.

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