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Rockland County, NY - New Square Firebomber Shaul Spitzer To Be Released From Jail Following Change In Sentencing Status

Published on: October 27, 2015 02:46 PM
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Rockland County, NY - In a surprise twist, New Square resident Shaul Spitzer was granted “youthful offender” status at a resentencing hearing today, which will trigger his release from jail.

State Supreme Court Justice William Kelly said though he was initially against allowing the change in status, he was convinced by Spitzer’s comments that he had, in fact, matured, and would not commit such a crime again, much to the satisfaction of some 40 Spitzer supporters who attended the hearing.

Spitzer, a former aide to New Square Grand Rabbi David Twersky, had been serving a seven-year prison term at the East Correctional Facility for an assault on Aron Rottenberg, 48, an alleged “dissident” who did not adhere to Rabbi Twersky’s dictates. A then 18-year-old Spitzer attempted to burn down Rottenberg’s house in the early morning of May 22, 2011 with a firebomb, leaving Rottenberg burned over 50 percent of his body.

The married father and grandfather needed skin grafts and months of intense rehabilitation. He says he still cannot use his right arm or work as a plumber.

An appeals court returned the case to the lower court for resentencing because of the “youthful offender” issue, noting that the lower court judge did not consider whether Spitzer should have been considered for the status.

News of the possibility of Spitzer’s impending release was met with anger by Rottenberg, who told The Journal News (http://lohud.us/1LAi7E4) last week, “If they succeed in getting Spitzer out early, it will prove to them they have the power. They have what they call the bloc vote. They are very good at working politicians.”

“I am the victim,” he added. “Why should I have to compromise? I did once. They broke their promises. I can’t trust them.”


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 Oct 27, 2015 at 02:55 PM ALTERG1 Says:

Wow b"h, thanks Vin for such great news, (3 years for a youth was more then enough)

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 02:56 PM Anonymous Says:

Absolute despicable! I just got a clip of those skver people singing and dancing! How are they better than the muslims!!!!

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 02:58 PM Barryfrombrooklyn Says:

He tried burning an entire family the way ISIS burns people alive. The Rabbi and all chasidim, instead of being horrified at what has occurred in their "Shtetl", instead of condemning the act, instead of apologizing for what was intentionally done, instead of denouncing it publicly, instead of looking into their ways to see how such an awful thing came about and what can be done to ensure it never repeats itself, they fundraised and manipulated their way out of this mess. Today is a very sad day for Klal Yisroel. Seems the Rebbes and heads of the Kehilla and Shtetl have their priorities awfully screwed up and they are sadly the ones in charge.

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 02:59 PM stopthis Says:

Hodi lashem im not from skvere just a plain jew and very happy for him and for rottenberg he learnt his lesson the hard way nxt time if u belong to a community do what they want or move and for all the self hating jews and skvere haters this is for u to

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 03:13 PM Innocent Says:

Great job! Chased Hashem!

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 03:22 PM yossi Says:

Just watch whats coming next in all gossip blogs:
Mrs. Clinton influenced Judge to release Spitzer for exchange of New Suare votes

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 03:40 PM ItzikGold Says:

Anyone who thinks that this kid wanted to burn any human being is ignorant. He wanted to burn the house not the people. Im not justifying that, but I do find it despicable when people who have no sense of what this community is all about are passing judgement and comparing them to ISIS.

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 03:42 PM berylyoseph Says:

What would the holy chassidim do, if Spitzer would become disgruntled with the Rebbe or one of his family members, and try to do the same to them?

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 03:47 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
ALTERG1 Says:

Wow b"h, thanks Vin for such great news, (3 years for a youth was more then enough)

Are you for real??????? He deserves to rot in hell for the rest of his life!!! Youth??? Where are the apologies from the ADULTS????

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 03:48 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
stopthis Says:

Hodi lashem im not from skvere just a plain jew and very happy for him and for rottenberg he learnt his lesson the hard way nxt time if u belong to a community do what they want or move and for all the self hating jews and skvere haters this is for u to

Are you off your rocker??? If he didn't adhere to their rules is that a reason to attempt to murder him and his family??? What is wrong with you commenters??

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 03:50 PM monishmo Says:

Spitzer did a young foolish act that could have cost lives r"l and b"h didn't and not justified. It is sad what Mr. Rottenberg went through so much pain and agony but b"h he is healing. Spitzer served some time and has grown and matured by now the hard way. For him sitting any longer would not make Mr. Rottenberg heal faster. Yes, I am happy that Spitzer can begin focusing on his future while I wish Mr. Rottenberg a full recovery.

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 04:02 PM bubii Says:

Reply to #7  
ItzikGold Says:

Anyone who thinks that this kid wanted to burn any human being is ignorant. He wanted to burn the house not the people. Im not justifying that, but I do find it despicable when people who have no sense of what this community is all about are passing judgement and comparing them to ISIS.

The community is about stealing lying and violent reprisels,and of course they are a tottal chillel hashem to the rest of us who are upright citizens.

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 04:09 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
ItzikGold Says:

Anyone who thinks that this kid wanted to burn any human being is ignorant. He wanted to burn the house not the people. Im not justifying that, but I do find it despicable when people who have no sense of what this community is all about are passing judgement and comparing them to ISIS.

You don't sound normal, you're making excuses for the arsonist by saying he ONLY meant to burn down the house?! He's a criminal and should be treated as such, along with his handlers who advised him to do the crime, you should be ashamed of yourself!

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 04:11 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

Are you off your rocker??? If he didn't adhere to their rules is that a reason to attempt to murder him and his family??? What is wrong with you commenters??

I'll tell u what's wrong with them.,,.these are the same maniacs who side with the palis in the Israel conflict! They're netirei kart nut jobs!

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 04:12 PM WolfishMusings Says:

Reply to #7  
ItzikGold Says:

Anyone who thinks that this kid wanted to burn any human being is ignorant. He wanted to burn the house not the people. Im not justifying that, but I do find it despicable when people who have no sense of what this community is all about are passing judgement and comparing them to ISIS.

Saying he wants to burn the house and not the people in it is like saying that "no, I didn't want to shoot the guy... I only wanted to put a bullet hole in his shirt."

The Wolf

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 04:13 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #11  
monishmo Says:

Spitzer did a young foolish act that could have cost lives r"l and b"h didn't and not justified. It is sad what Mr. Rottenberg went through so much pain and agony but b"h he is healing. Spitzer served some time and has grown and matured by now the hard way. For him sitting any longer would not make Mr. Rottenberg heal faster. Yes, I am happy that Spitzer can begin focusing on his future while I wish Mr. Rottenberg a full recovery.

You're absolutely wrong, not to mention stupid. He should've been made to pay even longer, for attempted murder, to teach a lesson to anyone else who thinks they can take the law into their own lands!

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 04:14 PM jason Says:

Reply to #4  
stopthis Says:

Hodi lashem im not from skvere just a plain jew and very happy for him and for rottenberg he learnt his lesson the hard way nxt time if u belong to a community do what they want or move and for all the self hating jews and skvere haters this is for u to

Rottenberg claimed he tried to move but was prevented. According to you if you are a self hating jew or skever hater you deserve to have your house burned down and potentially your family killed as lesson? If you feel this way you are no better than a radical Islamist and should seek professional help.

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 04:16 PM yellowzebra Says:

this is a travesty. you do the crime you should do the time. he was old enough to fire bomb someone he is old enough to go to jail for it.

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 04:21 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
ItzikGold Says:

Anyone who thinks that this kid wanted to burn any human being is ignorant. He wanted to burn the house not the people. Im not justifying that, but I do find it despicable when people who have no sense of what this community is all about are passing judgement and comparing them to ISIS.

OMG! Common sense now!! Where would people be at 4am if not in their house??

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 04:28 PM LionofZion Says:

Let's see what kind of Shidduch this nut job receives. Bet you no decent family in New Square takes him. Some poor Nebecb girl will be told that he is a Tzadik and be forced to marry him. This village is a great example of The unintended consequences of how Chasidim behave in the absence of laws. Nebech.

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 04:33 PM ItzikGold Says:

I read all the mean spirited comments to my post for say that his intention was not to kill. If am so stupid, why does the law recognize the intention of a criminal. Do any of you know that one of the conditions to accuse for mureder is to prove intent?

How can any of you compare a chusid doing old shtick to protect what he thought was the dignity of his rabbe to ISIS? U all know that he just wanted to light the house on fire and harm anyone physically.

Skver is an old traditional village, so you find this type of crime there. The Five Towns and other like communities is loaded with white collar crime, and I don't see the outrage.

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 04:40 PM Realist77 Says:

It is only a matter of time before all those corrupt officials and "Rabbis" will be led into the court house with cuffs.

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 05:00 PM Snagged Says:

He was just a patsy. Twersky should sit for instigating attempted murder.

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 05:03 PM Kl Says:

Reply to #4  
stopthis Says:

Hodi lashem im not from skvere just a plain jew and very happy for him and for rottenberg he learnt his lesson the hard way nxt time if u belong to a community do what they want or move and for all the self hating jews and skvere haters this is for u to

killing isnt the answer

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 05:08 PM BenYehuda Says:

Did anyone from Skver dance and sing when Mr. Rottenberg was released from the hospital?
כל מקום שיש חילול השם אין חולקין כבוד לרבי

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 05:32 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #22  
ItzikGold Says:

I read all the mean spirited comments to my post for say that his intention was not to kill. If am so stupid, why does the law recognize the intention of a criminal. Do any of you know that one of the conditions to accuse for mureder is to prove intent?

How can any of you compare a chusid doing old shtick to protect what he thought was the dignity of his rabbe to ISIS? U all know that he just wanted to light the house on fire and harm anyone physically.

Skver is an old traditional village, so you find this type of crime there. The Five Towns and other like communities is loaded with white collar crime, and I don't see the outrage.

You lack any tiny bit of common sense son. An old shtick? The poor Rottenberg was almost burnt to death and you dare call this a shtick?? Shame on you. His intent was to harm the Rottenbergs. Damaging a house when people are in there, that's what I call attempted murder. I don't know any other place other than Muslim communities, in which people rejoice upon criminals and their release!

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 05:33 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #23  
Realist77 Says:

It is only a matter of time before all those corrupt officials and "Rabbis" will be led into the court house with cuffs.

In my opinion, whoever released this murderer was bribed by this corrupted "rabbi"

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 05:12 PM HankM Says:

What are we Moslems? Apparently this judge had his palms greased by the local Hasidim

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 05:35 PM Judith Says:

Sick society. I wonder what kind of sentence these Hassidim would want if one of their own were torched!!!

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 05:39 PM wondering Says:

Reply to #22  
ItzikGold Says:

I read all the mean spirited comments to my post for say that his intention was not to kill. If am so stupid, why does the law recognize the intention of a criminal. Do any of you know that one of the conditions to accuse for mureder is to prove intent?

How can any of you compare a chusid doing old shtick to protect what he thought was the dignity of his rabbe to ISIS? U all know that he just wanted to light the house on fire and harm anyone physically.

Skver is an old traditional village, so you find this type of crime there. The Five Towns and other like communities is loaded with white collar crime, and I don't see the outrage.

1. if your kids were sleeping in your house and your neighbor threw a firebomb into it would you say oh - he was just trying to burn down my house so its OK??? or would you be furious and call the police?
2. why do you think the ISIS fighters do what they do? to protect the dignity of their leaders, that is why! because their leader tells them what to do! THAT is why people are comparing this to ISIS. When your leader tells you to do something wrong and you listen - then you too are guilty. So its OK to protect the dignity of your Rebbe but other people don't also have a right to protect the dignity of their leaders?
3. Are you really that stupid to think that burning a house full of sleeping people o is only to burn the house? And by the way, when is burning someone's house OK? If he 'only' wanted to burn the house he would have waited until he saw them all leave or at least wold have come during the day.

Is this the sick kind of thinking they 'teach' in New Square?

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 05:54 PM Fathousewife Says:

I'm concerned about his poor future wife. This young man foolish at best depraved for sure learned a less than optimal lesson about behavior and consequence. What does he do? Blow up her kitchen if she makes dairy on a night he wanted meat?

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 06:02 PM jsjcbs Says:

The Rebbi strikes again! What a joke! Anyone defending this "boy" or happy that he's out should try getting burned.

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 06:05 PM Ina Says:

Reply to #13  
bubii Says:

The community is about stealing lying and violent reprisels,and of course they are a tottal chillel hashem to the rest of us who are upright citizens.

bubii, New Square is a Mokom S'dom!

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 06:18 PM jason Says:

Reply to #22  
ItzikGold Says:

I read all the mean spirited comments to my post for say that his intention was not to kill. If am so stupid, why does the law recognize the intention of a criminal. Do any of you know that one of the conditions to accuse for mureder is to prove intent?

How can any of you compare a chusid doing old shtick to protect what he thought was the dignity of his rabbe to ISIS? U all know that he just wanted to light the house on fire and harm anyone physically.

Skver is an old traditional village, so you find this type of crime there. The Five Towns and other like communities is loaded with white collar crime, and I don't see the outrage.

Most communities don't celebrate the release of a criminal.

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 06:19 PM Yossi Says:

Reply to #3  
Barryfrombrooklyn Says:

He tried burning an entire family the way ISIS burns people alive. The Rabbi and all chasidim, instead of being horrified at what has occurred in their "Shtetl", instead of condemning the act, instead of apologizing for what was intentionally done, instead of denouncing it publicly, instead of looking into their ways to see how such an awful thing came about and what can be done to ensure it never repeats itself, they fundraised and manipulated their way out of this mess. Today is a very sad day for Klal Yisroel. Seems the Rebbes and heads of the Kehilla and Shtetl have their priorities awfully screwed up and they are sadly the ones in charge.

I am just wondering if it was your son in prison how many years would you think is fair for your child and your family to suffer..??????????

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 06:24 PM yossi Says:

Reply to #3  
Barryfrombrooklyn Says:

He tried burning an entire family the way ISIS burns people alive. The Rabbi and all chasidim, instead of being horrified at what has occurred in their "Shtetl", instead of condemning the act, instead of apologizing for what was intentionally done, instead of denouncing it publicly, instead of looking into their ways to see how such an awful thing came about and what can be done to ensure it never repeats itself, they fundraised and manipulated their way out of this mess. Today is a very sad day for Klal Yisroel. Seems the Rebbes and heads of the Kehilla and Shtetl have their priorities awfully screwed up and they are sadly the ones in charge.

i really don't understand. The judge and court of appeals decided this BOY suffered enough for his CRIME so why does every one believe that this is NOT enough. The answer : because it is NOT YOUR child. This bucher is a victim of this fanatic cult and he learned in state prison that he committed a crime and he convinced the judge that he will not do this ever again.
Prison is a rehabilitation program and a punishment place.
He has been punished and rehabbed. Let him start a NEW life and hopefully get engaged to the Rebbes grand daughter and start a new life and family.

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 06:25 PM proudhareidy Says:

BY reading these comments i am ashamed of my fellow jews. A non-Jewish judge had more mercy on this boy than all of you. This kid made a huge mistake & served 3 years for it, that's ENOUGH!!!!
40 year old mafia members serve less for attempted murder

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 06:34 PM bubii Says:

Reply to #7  
ItzikGold Says:

Anyone who thinks that this kid wanted to burn any human being is ignorant. He wanted to burn the house not the people. Im not justifying that, but I do find it despicable when people who have no sense of what this community is all about are passing judgement and comparing them to ISIS.

Your whole community are zombies to a rabbi who himself is mentally unstable,add to it that your community is a bunch of thiefs going back years most of you are on sec.8 and food stamps , all this is a volatile mixture of insanity and madness.

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 06:49 PM cowdoc Says:

To those of you that want Spitzer to burn in hell. You are wrong. You should want his Rebbe and all of the community that backed him, and the judge to burn along with him.
Not being a lawyer I would hope that there is some legal recourse to this decision.
I also wonder if any similar ruling was ever handed down in another case of attempted murder or our wonderful co religionists have financed a brand new legal milestone

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 07:18 PM Jeffrey Says:

This aggression will not stand.

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 07:32 PM Anonymous Says:

Rothenberg will be in pain forever from his burns. He was forced to pray in another shul in order to protect his dear son. No one ever mentions that fact and it is still hidden by the community. There is more sexual abuse in NS than in Africa, yet no one ever discusses it!!!

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 07:44 PM coolaid Says:

Reply to #22  
ItzikGold Says:

I read all the mean spirited comments to my post for say that his intention was not to kill. If am so stupid, why does the law recognize the intention of a criminal. Do any of you know that one of the conditions to accuse for mureder is to prove intent?

How can any of you compare a chusid doing old shtick to protect what he thought was the dignity of his rabbe to ISIS? U all know that he just wanted to light the house on fire and harm anyone physically.

Skver is an old traditional village, so you find this type of crime there. The Five Towns and other like communities is loaded with white collar crime, and I don't see the outrage.

what are you smoking dude ? yeh we know know in the chasidisha hoif there are shpitzlach against the misnagdim ( busting tires, throwing paint , yelling sheigattz arois ) but THIS IS THROWING FIRE AT SOMEONE'S HOUSE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT WHILE PEOPLE ARE SLEEPING !!!!!!! , answer the question WHAT IS EXPECTED WHEN YOU PUT FIRE ON A WOODEN HOUSE ???? ,spitzer CROSSED THE LINE with this act , don't defend him

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 07:49 PM Dan Says:

Reply to #9  
Anonymous Says:

Are you for real??????? He deserves to rot in hell for the rest of his life!!! Youth??? Where are the apologies from the ADULTS????

No he doesn't!

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 07:51 PM mr613 Says:

And CYL and his cronies have now been assured reelection!
This is a travesty of justice!

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 08:06 PM Anonymous Says:

As most of the normal posters have noted, this is an aberration of justice and the judge was obviously influenced by the politics. Many of us will not be especially upset if the Skvere gabboism who initiated this terrorist attack suffer the same pain that poor Reb Rottenberg experienced.

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 08:19 PM gimmeabreak Says:

Reply to #22  
ItzikGold Says:

I read all the mean spirited comments to my post for say that his intention was not to kill. If am so stupid, why does the law recognize the intention of a criminal. Do any of you know that one of the conditions to accuse for mureder is to prove intent?

How can any of you compare a chusid doing old shtick to protect what he thought was the dignity of his rabbe to ISIS? U all know that he just wanted to light the house on fire and harm anyone physically.

Skver is an old traditional village, so you find this type of crime there. The Five Towns and other like communities is loaded with white collar crime, and I don't see the outrage.

My Bubbe and Zayde were from Europe, and they were old and traditional. I don't recall them telling us about the tradition or shtick of burning down the house of someone you don't like.

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 08:34 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
ItzikGold Says:

Anyone who thinks that this kid wanted to burn any human being is ignorant. He wanted to burn the house not the people. Im not justifying that, but I do find it despicable when people who have no sense of what this community is all about are passing judgement and comparing them to ISIS.

So why did he do this at night, when the family was home and most of them were sleeping?

This was a despicable act by Spitzer. What was so terrible what Rottenberg did? All Rottenberg did was trying to help some old Jewish men make a minyan.

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 08:38 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #22  
ItzikGold Says:

I read all the mean spirited comments to my post for say that his intention was not to kill. If am so stupid, why does the law recognize the intention of a criminal. Do any of you know that one of the conditions to accuse for mureder is to prove intent?

How can any of you compare a chusid doing old shtick to protect what he thought was the dignity of his rabbe to ISIS? U all know that he just wanted to light the house on fire and harm anyone physically.

Skver is an old traditional village, so you find this type of crime there. The Five Towns and other like communities is loaded with white collar crime, and I don't see the outrage.

Can you bring an example of someone from the Five Towns trying to murder an entire family in their sleep? Skver is a bunch of hooligans; stop trying to excuse their horrible behavior.

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 08:38 PM md2205 Says:

It says in davening that Hashem says His Name will be called upon us. What does that mean? It means when people interact with us, they know we are G-d's people and judge us with more scrutiny, expect us to have higher standards along the lines of what they would imagine are G-d's standards. People in America expect that part of G-d's standards is not to murder or burn down people's houses no matter what the reason. To hear that people were singing and dancing when this monster was released causes one to think that they are criminal supporters. If they are not supporters of criminals and were just worried about the perpetrator and hoping he could now start to rehabilitate and try to work toward living a life according to at least the Ten Commandments, it is in exceedingly poor taste and even cruel to make this dance public knowledge. There is a man who is a permanent victim and all concern in public should be for him, not for the would-be murderer. The victim will now be victimized emotionally knowing he is not the object of concern as much as the criminal is. I will say though that all this is understandable if these people are or sympathize with Neturei Karta.

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 08:56 PM hiijacker Says:

Arson does NOT require specific intent, only the general intent to start the fire. Once that is proven one is liable for all, even unintended consequences.

Now being a Minor does qualify for a reduced sentence.

The difference between general intent and specific intent:
General intent – the defendant intended the conduct
Specific intent – the defendant intended the conduct and the result

Intentional and knowledge based crimes are considered specific intent crimes. Here is a (not exhaustive) list of specific intent crimes:
Murder
Attempt
Conspiracy
Solicitation (under modern statutes)
Larceny
False Imprisonment

General intent crimes typically include crimes that are based on the defendant being reckless or negligence. Here is a (non exhaustive) list of general intent crimes:
Manslaughter
Negligent Homicide
Arson
Rape

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 09:00 PM OYVY2 Says:

wow talking about sinking to all time lows. this is in keeping with how they run things in new square my hope is that all of them including the corrupt politicians will one day be held accountable. Shame shame

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 09:30 PM Esther Says:

Reply to #4  
stopthis Says:

Hodi lashem im not from skvere just a plain jew and very happy for him and for rottenberg he learnt his lesson the hard way nxt time if u belong to a community do what they want or move and for all the self hating jews and skvere haters this is for u to

Are you insane?

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 09:34 PM Esther Says:

Reply to #7  
ItzikGold Says:

Anyone who thinks that this kid wanted to burn any human being is ignorant. He wanted to burn the house not the people. Im not justifying that, but I do find it despicable when people who have no sense of what this community is all about are passing judgement and comparing them to ISIS.

And I think it's despicable that you can seriously say he (only) wanted to burn the house down. Oy Hashem,if you don't send Moshiach soon,we're totally done for.

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 09:39 PM Esther Says:

Reply to #22  
ItzikGold Says:

I read all the mean spirited comments to my post for say that his intention was not to kill. If am so stupid, why does the law recognize the intention of a criminal. Do any of you know that one of the conditions to accuse for mureder is to prove intent?

How can any of you compare a chusid doing old shtick to protect what he thought was the dignity of his rabbe to ISIS? U all know that he just wanted to light the house on fire and harm anyone physically.

Skver is an old traditional village, so you find this type of crime there. The Five Towns and other like communities is loaded with white collar crime, and I don't see the outrage.

Are you rally this ignorant or are you just trying to make Chasidm look horrible. Btw,burning a house down is not shtick.

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 09:42 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
ItzikGold Says:

Anyone who thinks that this kid wanted to burn any human being is ignorant. He wanted to burn the house not the people. Im not justifying that, but I do find it despicable when people who have no sense of what this community is all about are passing judgement and comparing them to ISIS.

And how do u know this, nut job?

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 09:44 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #22  
ItzikGold Says:

I read all the mean spirited comments to my post for say that his intention was not to kill. If am so stupid, why does the law recognize the intention of a criminal. Do any of you know that one of the conditions to accuse for mureder is to prove intent?

How can any of you compare a chusid doing old shtick to protect what he thought was the dignity of his rabbe to ISIS? U all know that he just wanted to light the house on fire and harm anyone physically.

Skver is an old traditional village, so you find this type of crime there. The Five Towns and other like communities is loaded with white collar crime, and I don't see the outrage.

And what if he had c"v ended up killing the innocent man??? Then he'd be in jail for life.,,

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 10:34 PM HAKOHEN Says:

THE DOUBLE STANDARD ON THIS SITE IS ASTOUNDING! IF THE OFFENDER HAD BEEN A BLACK, HISPANIC, OR SOME LOW LIFE WHITE ANTI-SEMITE, ALL OF YOU WOULD BE SCREAMING FOR VENGEANCE; YET, JUST BECAUSE THE OFFENDER AND HIS FAMILY ARE ULTRA-ORTHODOX, IT SEEMS IN TO SOME, TO MITIGATE THE SERIOUSNESS OF THIS CRIME. THE LATTER ATTITUDE IS ALMOST AS BAD, AS THE HEINOUS ACT OF ARSON, WHICH WAS PERPETRATED!

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 Oct 27, 2015 at 10:48 PM Hatzaloh-b-unit Says:

Reply to #57  
Anonymous Says:

And what if he had c"v ended up killing the innocent man??? Then he'd be in jail for life.,,

no only for 7 years !

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 Oct 28, 2015 at 12:32 AM monishmo Says:

Reply to #39  
bubii Says:

Your whole community are zombies to a rabbi who himself is mentally unstable,add to it that your community is a bunch of thiefs going back years most of you are on sec.8 and food stamps , all this is a volatile mixture of insanity and madness.

you seem like a self hating jew that is an x skverer

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 Oct 28, 2015 at 12:48 AM Anonymous Says:

Why are we so busy screaming and ranting about who deserves what?? Hashem is in charge, and if Hashem would want the Boy, or the rebbe or all of new square to Rot in prison then they would, if Hashem wouldn't want Spitzer to be released then the judge the lawyer the bribers etc could turn themselves upside down and they would never find a way to release him. So just all of you calm down and relax and let the one Above decide who gets what, don't worry, Not Spitzer not rottenberg not the rebbe andnot any of you holier then thou Vin posters Will Not escape the Bais Din shel malla, we will all have to give din vcheshbon one Day. Wishing both Rottenberg and Spitzer the best of luck.

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 Oct 28, 2015 at 01:12 AM Lodzker Says:

Reply to #51  
hiijacker Says:

Arson does NOT require specific intent, only the general intent to start the fire. Once that is proven one is liable for all, even unintended consequences.

Now being a Minor does qualify for a reduced sentence.

The difference between general intent and specific intent:
General intent – the defendant intended the conduct
Specific intent – the defendant intended the conduct and the result

Intentional and knowledge based crimes are considered specific intent crimes. Here is a (not exhaustive) list of specific intent crimes:
Murder
Attempt
Conspiracy
Solicitation (under modern statutes)
Larceny
False Imprisonment

General intent crimes typically include crimes that are based on the defendant being reckless or negligence. Here is a (non exhaustive) list of general intent crimes:
Manslaughter
Negligent Homicide
Arson
Rape

He was 18 when he did the crime. He was and adult and should be considered an adult.

By Halacha he would be tried as an adult at 13.

This boy should burn. I am angry I ever ate his rebbes shurayim.

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 Oct 28, 2015 at 07:20 AM Shlomo-1 Says:

Reply to #7  
ItzikGold Says:

Anyone who thinks that this kid wanted to burn any human being is ignorant. He wanted to burn the house not the people. Im not justifying that, but I do find it despicable when people who have no sense of what this community is all about are passing judgement and comparing them to ISIS.

Wrong wrong wrong.
It was 4 am. Most people would be at home, in bed, asleep at that time.
To think that you can burn down that house at that time and NOT injure or kill people is the height of denial.
What is "this community...all about?" I can't judge from afar but a lot of people in the community are supporting this kid. Why? Would they support him if he did other crimes? other aveirus?

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 Oct 28, 2015 at 07:36 AM Anonymous Says:

Yes, everyone knows that spitzer is a innocent brainwashed boy that taught he was defending the ball shem tov and bais chernobil with this act, but isn't this the exact reason why young Muslims kill anyone they consider unholy?

חסידות is supposed to be a deep guidance and הדרכה in avoidas hashem, where and when did this turn in to a cult that all offspring of the original leader are automatically tzadikim? Are we in north Korea?

How do you justify hurting anyone just because they don't follow your exact view in yidishkeit ? Even if the rebbe z"l himself also wanted only one minyan, guess what ? He had no halachick right to force it on anyone !

Last time I checked, new square is in the USA not communist Russia where Jews were persecuted for davening in unauthorized locations.

And last but not least, neither spitzer or square learned anything from the jail sentence, yes the have to be more carefull on how to terorize the dissidents... Since we are in gules and the police don't understand chasidus and derech habaal shemtov... Spitzer still thinks he will sit next to the rebbe in olom habah. (Which might be true, just don't know on what side of the room...)

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 Oct 28, 2015 at 10:46 AM Anonymous Says:

No one mentions that this is the same Judge who initially handed down the 7 year sentence, and he is the same who now overturned it, I don't think there's anyone atleast here who's more versed with the ins and outs of this case than he is. None of the writers above have any knowledge in the justice system yet they know well how to judge others handle verdicts and sentences. I would suggest that you atleast do what חז"ל say and practice law according to their dictate of אל תדין את חבירך עד שתגיע למקומו.

It is also worth to mention how fascinated I am to see to what a lovely nation I belong to, such hate I would expect from every Jew hater, it has nothing pure or Jewish in it. And by reading the comments above I now have a better understanding as to the world view over the Palestine-Israel conflict, because when people hate a sect like in this case Skver/Chasidim, they are simply not interested in hearing the facts.

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 Oct 28, 2015 at 11:34 AM Realist77 Says:

Reply to #63  
Shlomo-1 Says:

Wrong wrong wrong.
It was 4 am. Most people would be at home, in bed, asleep at that time.
To think that you can burn down that house at that time and NOT injure or kill people is the height of denial.
What is "this community...all about?" I can't judge from afar but a lot of people in the community are supporting this kid. Why? Would they support him if he did other crimes? other aveirus?

A motzei Shabbos ( early Sunday morning). In Texas and other states the home owner would be well within his right to shoot him dead.

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 Oct 28, 2015 at 01:12 PM Anonymous Says:

#32, Your worried about his future wife??? I'm not really worried. His rabbi is taking him to marry one of his grand daughters.... he will look after him with kid gloves

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 Oct 28, 2015 at 01:52 PM Anonymous Says:

So Spitzer, who arguably was very influenced by the Skverer community in his desire to attack Rottenberg, has matured and repented and will now be released back to that same Skverer community. I liken this to releasing an alcoholic from residential treatment to a bar. Sure, he'll be sincere in his promise to never drink again, but with the beer in front of him 24/7, who thinks this promise will be kept? Does anyone really think that Spitzer will not continue to be influenced by the very environment that shaped his initial decision to commit the crime?

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 Oct 28, 2015 at 03:06 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #67  
Anonymous Says:

#32, Your worried about his future wife??? I'm not really worried. His rabbi is taking him to marry one of his grand daughters.... he will look after him with kid gloves

"His rabbi is taking him to marry one of his grand daughters.... he will look after him with kid gloves"

If he ever told the truth about his relationship with the Rabbi, the granddaughter would refuse to marry him, if possible.

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 Oct 28, 2015 at 03:14 PM Anonymous Says:

this bucher dosent belong in jail - his sender the skverer rabbi belongs in jail-whet a gengster

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 Oct 28, 2015 at 03:57 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
ALTERG1 Says:

Wow b"h, thanks Vin for such great news, (3 years for a youth was more then enough)

3 years for a murder is very little

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 Oct 28, 2015 at 04:11 PM PMOinFL Says:

Reply to #65  
Anonymous Says:

No one mentions that this is the same Judge who initially handed down the 7 year sentence, and he is the same who now overturned it, I don't think there's anyone atleast here who's more versed with the ins and outs of this case than he is. None of the writers above have any knowledge in the justice system yet they know well how to judge others handle verdicts and sentences. I would suggest that you atleast do what חז"ל say and practice law according to their dictate of אל תדין את חבירך עד שתגיע למקומו.

It is also worth to mention how fascinated I am to see to what a lovely nation I belong to, such hate I would expect from every Jew hater, it has nothing pure or Jewish in it. And by reading the comments above I now have a better understanding as to the world view over the Palestine-Israel conflict, because when people hate a sect like in this case Skver/Chasidim, they are simply not interested in hearing the facts.

Sometimes, people use disparate, unconnected "facts" to create a lie. This happens a lot, especially in the comment section of VIN. This monster tried to murder a family, including little children, by burning them alive in their beds.

There is no other fact that any rational person needs. Nothing in this world could possible warrant that kind of terrorism. Nothing. So, one must assume that either Spitzer is a deranged psychopath who doesn't understand his actions, or he is a vicious murderer who gets pleasure or satisfaction from this. ON one hand he belongs in a hospital... on the other hand he belongs in prison... but either way he should never get out.

Just because some bleeding heart, uber-liberal judge in New York let him off the hook doesn't mean anything at all. All it means is that he cried some crocodile tears and paid for a good legal team paid for by his cult. Skver has gone completely off the rails in recent years and while I'm not quick to paint an entire group of chassidim with one brush, in this case it is warranted.

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 Oct 28, 2015 at 04:04 PM jason Says:

Reply to #65  
Anonymous Says:

No one mentions that this is the same Judge who initially handed down the 7 year sentence, and he is the same who now overturned it, I don't think there's anyone atleast here who's more versed with the ins and outs of this case than he is. None of the writers above have any knowledge in the justice system yet they know well how to judge others handle verdicts and sentences. I would suggest that you atleast do what חז"ל say and practice law according to their dictate of אל תדין את חבירך עד שתגיע למקומו.

It is also worth to mention how fascinated I am to see to what a lovely nation I belong to, such hate I would expect from every Jew hater, it has nothing pure or Jewish in it. And by reading the comments above I now have a better understanding as to the world view over the Palestine-Israel conflict, because when people hate a sect like in this case Skver/Chasidim, they are simply not interested in hearing the facts.

Though he has been released by the law people don't believe he regrets his actions nor has he indicated so which only perpetuates actions like this in the future. Please enlighten us to the facts which we have no interest in hearing?

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 Oct 28, 2015 at 03:28 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #65  
Anonymous Says:

No one mentions that this is the same Judge who initially handed down the 7 year sentence, and he is the same who now overturned it, I don't think there's anyone atleast here who's more versed with the ins and outs of this case than he is. None of the writers above have any knowledge in the justice system yet they know well how to judge others handle verdicts and sentences. I would suggest that you atleast do what חז"ל say and practice law according to their dictate of אל תדין את חבירך עד שתגיע למקומו.

It is also worth to mention how fascinated I am to see to what a lovely nation I belong to, such hate I would expect from every Jew hater, it has nothing pure or Jewish in it. And by reading the comments above I now have a better understanding as to the world view over the Palestine-Israel conflict, because when people hate a sect like in this case Skver/Chasidim, they are simply not interested in hearing the facts.

"And by reading the comments above I now have a better understanding as to the world view over the Palestine-Israel conflict, because when people hate a sect like in this case Skver/Chasidim, they are simply not interested in hearing the facts."

The facts are Spitzer admitted setting the house on fire which could have murdered an entire family! Why would the world look kindly to Skver/Chasidim? Is this a virtue to try to burn alive a little granddaughter?? Where are your morals? This is ISIS!!!!

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 Oct 28, 2015 at 04:01 PM PMOinFL Says:

This man is a murderer. Just because his targets didn't die, doesn't mean that wasn't his intention. To burn a family alive requires an obscene level of depravity. This inhuman monster belongs locked in a cage for the rest of his life. This rabid creature saw fit to burn people alive... like Josef Mengele! He is the embodiment of evil and I'm done trying to defend this Skver community from those who want to destroy it. It is time for it to be destroyed and exposed for the sick, violent, oppressive cult it has become. Do as we say or we will burn you and your family alive in their beds??? This is the acceptable level we're at now? I'm sick to my stomach that this animal will be back on the streets where one day he will live out his sick fantasies of watching Jews burn to death while he celebrates and dances to the sound of their screaming and crying with the rest of this cult.

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 Oct 28, 2015 at 07:16 PM sheepheadsbayyid Says:

Reply to #36  
Yossi Says:

I am just wondering if it was your son in prison how many years would you think is fair for your child and your family to suffer..??????????

yep this can be said for every single person in jail

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 Oct 29, 2015 at 02:10 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #11  
monishmo Says:

Spitzer did a young foolish act that could have cost lives r"l and b"h didn't and not justified. It is sad what Mr. Rottenberg went through so much pain and agony but b"h he is healing. Spitzer served some time and has grown and matured by now the hard way. For him sitting any longer would not make Mr. Rottenberg heal faster. Yes, I am happy that Spitzer can begin focusing on his future while I wish Mr. Rottenberg a full recovery.

Well the least Mr. Spitzer can do is formally apologize to Mr. Ruttenberg and his family for his fullish act to causes some much pain and suffering for the Ruttenberg family. So before he does that he doesn't deserve to be freed.

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 Oct 29, 2015 at 08:56 PM Rachel Says:

Reply to #77  
Anonymous Says:

Well the least Mr. Spitzer can do is formally apologize to Mr. Ruttenberg and his family for his fullish act to causes some much pain and suffering for the Ruttenberg family. So before he does that he doesn't deserve to be freed.

Do you seriously know everything? Spitzer wrote an apology letter even before he went to jail. BTW, I see most of the comments are posted by people ignorant of the whole story and just informed by inaccurate news sources. There are no counter comments from insiders as most of the shtetl do not have Internet are at least not glued to the tube. The angry voices will do themselves good if they get to know Rottenberg and his family logistics in person.

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 Oct 30, 2015 at 12:42 AM monishmo Says:

Reply to #70  
Anonymous Says:

this bucher dosent belong in jail - his sender the skverer rabbi belongs in jail-whet a gengster

you and all your "friends" honestly believe that his rebbe sent him to do this????? you people are out of your mind!! go get a job adn keep busy and don't dwell in such shtoosim!! Please?!?!?!?

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 Nov 01, 2015 at 05:59 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #60  
monishmo Says:

you seem like a self hating jew that is an x skverer

Any x skverer who's now Shomer Torah Umitzvos has zchusim that are unparalleled

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