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Postville, IA - A lender seeking control of Agriprocessors Inc. [reported by VIN News] says the meatpacker’s finances are so dire that “millions of chicks and chickens (are) in danger of starving to death.”

Chief U.S. District Judge Linda Reade, after a telephone hearing Friday, gave Atec Liquidations of St. Louis limited powers to oversee Agriprocessors in Postville and a sister plant in Gordon, Neb., to make sure that assets are not diminished before an action filed Thursday in Cedar Rapids can be settled.

First Bank Agriprocessors complaint click here

The lender’s lawsuit said the bank has been told that Agriprocessors’ electricity will be cut off if it doesn’t pay $188,000 that is past due and a $88,000 deposit Monday.

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“The termination of electric service could result in the spoilage of millions of dollars in fresh and frozen meat products in the borrowers’ inventory,” the lawsuit says. “In addition, First Bank is informed and believes that millions of chicks and chickens in borrowers’ inventory are in danger of starving to death if they are not provided with appropriate feed and water.”

The judge’s order allows Atec to inspect Agriprocessors’ facilities to preserve the status quo, including the maintenance of refrigeration equipment so meat does not spoil, keeping animals watered and fed and paying necessary bills.

The Rubashkins were ordered to provide funds to pay the electric bill no later than noon Monday.

A spokesman for Agriprocessors, Chaim Abrahams, said Friday afternoon that it was not clear how the company would be affected by Friday’s events.


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 Nov 01, 2008 at 08:12 PM Anonymous Says:

Tell Abrams to get stop drinking the rubaskin cool aid

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 Nov 01, 2008 at 08:26 PM Yenta Talker Says:

Nebach!! The Poor Family! I think Peta is behind the whole thing! They wont be happy untill they sell it! It should just be a Kapora!1

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 Nov 01, 2008 at 08:26 PM Anonymous Says:

I dincerely hope they are rewarded with the miracle they need and deserve. Amen

4

 Nov 01, 2008 at 08:16 PM CHUTZPA Says:

I think that all their crying of anti semitism is doing Us Jews bad Lets face the fact they used children for slaves YES OR NO so if yes then we should also agree to close them down just to show that we Jews don"t support this kind of acts.
SHAME_SHAME_SHAME_SHAME

5

 Nov 01, 2008 at 08:44 PM Anonymous Says:

What a load of *****! They were not charge with using children as slaves. They were accused of hiring underage employees. PAID employees.

6

 Nov 01, 2008 at 08:53 PM Anonymous Says:

Jewish World Wake Up !!! This is pure anti-semit behind the whole Rabashkin issue.

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 Nov 01, 2008 at 09:20 PM Anonymous Says:

give the electric bill to peta in order to save those chickens.. let them put the money where their mouth is

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 Nov 01, 2008 at 09:38 PM fashtie nisht Says:

i tought that there is a new CEO and evrything is nice and dandy .i have a feeling its not about AGRI anymore its about JEWS

9

 Nov 01, 2008 at 09:45 PM Anonymous Says:

This is not good mishpocha..... This is not a good sign at all.
Kosher meat was just beginning to go mainstream. Regular Americans were actually preferring it for health reasons. I think not just peta, but the rest of the meat industry is behind this "murder".

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 Nov 01, 2008 at 09:26 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

give the electric bill to peta in order to save those chickens.. let them put the money where their mouth is

GREAT IDEA. It will show them for the hypocrits they are

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 Nov 01, 2008 at 09:26 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
CHUTZPA Says:

I think that all their crying of anti semitism is doing Us Jews bad Lets face the fact they used children for slaves YES OR NO so if yes then we should also agree to close them down just to show that we Jews don"t support this kind of acts.
SHAME_SHAME_SHAME_SHAME

The Chutzpa is on you! A man a family and a small town are at witz, while you think of you poor self. Any idea how many yidden and goyim

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 Nov 01, 2008 at 09:25 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
CHUTZPA Says:

I think that all their crying of anti semitism is doing Us Jews bad Lets face the fact they used children for slaves YES OR NO so if yes then we should also agree to close them down just to show that we Jews don"t support this kind of acts.
SHAME_SHAME_SHAME_SHAME

your comment refllects your ignorance

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 Nov 01, 2008 at 09:57 PM mark Green Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

give the electric bill to peta in order to save those chickens.. let them put the money where their mouth is

good shoot !

14

 Nov 01, 2008 at 09:59 PM Anonymous Says:

It is all about hatred of charaidim.

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 Nov 01, 2008 at 10:01 PM Menachem Says:

Reply to #4  
CHUTZPA Says:

I think that all their crying of anti semitism is doing Us Jews bad Lets face the fact they used children for slaves YES OR NO so if yes then we should also agree to close them down just to show that we Jews don"t support this kind of acts.
SHAME_SHAME_SHAME_SHAME

I was wondering how propaganda could spread so badly abuot Jews, well well well, I have my answer....

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 Nov 01, 2008 at 10:20 PM Anonymous Says:

I heared that the aronim is negotiating with the lender and owners to take everything over, since they are anyway planning to start KJ meat co in addition to KJ poultry.

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 Nov 01, 2008 at 10:34 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
fashtie nisht Says:

i tought that there is a new CEO and evrything is nice and dandy .i have a feeling its not about AGRI anymore its about JEWS

tihs is about jews anyone who thinks otherwise has very distorted vision unfortunately.

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 Nov 01, 2008 at 10:47 PM Anonymous Says:

What is so difficult for all you people to understand. This is not the result of a government conspiracy against Yidden. They violated the law period! Now they are paying the consequences. Peta people are a bunch of dangerous Morons, but certainly not capable of orchestrating this kind of debacle. This is result of people not obeying the law and thinking they are above the law and not going to get caught. It is a shame that the ultimate victim will be the Kosher consumer, who will now see a shortage of meat and who knows what kind of price increase. The treif slaughter houses face the same problems with employee staffing as Agri and they seem to get by without hiring illegal and underage minors.

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 Nov 01, 2008 at 11:26 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #13  
mark Green Says:

good shoot !

why should peta pay the electric bill , they could just as easily take those chikens away and put them in a safe place with the proper heat and food and deduct the bill from agri

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 Nov 01, 2008 at 11:23 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #5  
Anonymous Says:

What a load of *****! They were not charge with using children as slaves. They were accused of hiring underage employees. PAID employees.

and also charged with id theft and also selling tainted meat etc

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 Nov 01, 2008 at 11:39 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #18  
Anonymous Says:

What is so difficult for all you people to understand. This is not the result of a government conspiracy against Yidden. They violated the law period! Now they are paying the consequences. Peta people are a bunch of dangerous Morons, but certainly not capable of orchestrating this kind of debacle. This is result of people not obeying the law and thinking they are above the law and not going to get caught. It is a shame that the ultimate victim will be the Kosher consumer, who will now see a shortage of meat and who knows what kind of price increase. The treif slaughter houses face the same problems with employee staffing as Agri and they seem to get by without hiring illegal and underage minors.

Look, we are not to know or judge if they and what they violated, but I do know they were fined and fined and fined over and over again Millions once 10, then 15 million then 10 and more, so I feel the punishment (closing them down) is far more than the crime which means it is anti semitism. If they are going to close them down then give back the fines, they can't have both!!!

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 Nov 01, 2008 at 11:54 PM anon Says:

What's to happen if Agri close/d up? Who will supply all the stores and yidden with meat and chicken? Although this is slow time Agri produces - to my hearsay - more than 50 percent of orthordox kosher poultry, I sure hope someone takes over Agri and keeps it kosher.
Also, why have they not gone to bankruptcy to stop the Bank taking over? That's normally the way things go.

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 Nov 01, 2008 at 11:45 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
Yenta Talker Says:

Nebach!! The Poor Family! I think Peta is behind the whole thing! They wont be happy untill they sell it! It should just be a Kapora!1

a kapara for what!?!? these people are such good people! you just dont understand!!

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 Nov 01, 2008 at 11:57 PM anon Says:

It is said Satmar will buy the plant and Shochtim etc - anyone know if this is true??

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 12:04 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #24  
anon Says:

It is said Satmar will buy the plant and Shochtim etc - anyone know if this is true??

Yobs!! negotiation! Satmat reques to call it GrandRabbi "Aron" best!!!

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 12:04 AM Shaul in Monsey Says:

Blaming PETA and anti-semitism for Rubashkin not paying their electric bill? Are you serious? Clearly there is more here than meets the eye. I'm sure the Rubashkin's have done tons of chesed, but Businessmen of the Year nominees they're not.

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 12:18 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #26  
Shaul in Monsey Says:

Blaming PETA and anti-semitism for Rubashkin not paying their electric bill? Are you serious? Clearly there is more here than meets the eye. I'm sure the Rubashkin's have done tons of chesed, but Businessmen of the Year nominees they're not.

ser you didn't get it??? Agri had to pay millions of dollars to fight PETA case, etc untill they are left with no money at all.......

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 12:27 AM Shaul in Monsey Says:

Reply to #27  
Anonymous Says:

ser you didn't get it??? Agri had to pay millions of dollars to fight PETA case, etc untill they are left with no money at all.......

Right, so I guess the million dollar bond Sholom posted quicker than you can pay your ConEd bill just fell from the sky.

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 12:25 AM Making Criminals Out of All Yidden? Says:

To all who want to play the RACE CARD that when one individual is engaged in despicable crimes, you attempt to WHIT-WASH it by pretending it's just "Anti-Semitism:

Doing so, YOU are making the biggest Chilul Hashem.

If one person does something wrong, the smart thing to do is to admit it and stop.

By all Jews coming out to Defend Rubashkin's Criminal Activity, you are increasing the Chilul Hashem because you are hereby confirming that the CRIME was not by a single person, but that all Jews JUSTIFY IT and all Jews are on the Criminal Side of the Fence.

Mode V'Ozev and to do Tshuva and Viody is a much smarter approach and avoids Chilul Hashem by showing that not all Jews are such Low Lives and that most Jews disagree with their constant ongoing reckless disregard of the law and their non-stop, endless, criminal activity.

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 12:43 AM farfalan Says:

Reply to #21  
Anonymous Says:

Look, we are not to know or judge if they and what they violated, but I do know they were fined and fined and fined over and over again Millions once 10, then 15 million then 10 and more, so I feel the punishment (closing them down) is far more than the crime which means it is anti semitism. If they are going to close them down then give back the fines, they can't have both!!!

yes agri filed for chapter 11 however the judge will rule on it on wednesday in the mean time we have to take all chicken and dump it in front of the white house

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 12:54 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #28  
Shaul in Monsey Says:

Right, so I guess the million dollar bond Sholom posted quicker than you can pay your ConEd bill just fell from the sky.

may be ICE should pay for ConEd for 4 Hour of Usage of electric while they where in the plant May 12

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 01:25 AM Ish Says:

Well, it looks like Agri is dead meat

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 01:23 AM ignorant Says:

Reply to #28  
Shaul in Monsey Says:

Right, so I guess the million dollar bond Sholom posted quicker than you can pay your ConEd bill just fell from the sky.

if you would actually read the news you would see that he was released because a cousin of his put up his house in brooklyn as collateral. Sorry to bother you with the details!

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 01:20 AM tainted meat?! Says:

Reply to #20  
Anonymous Says:

and also charged with id theft and also selling tainted meat etc

and where exactly have they been found to sell tainted meat? you people just throw out these accusations with no sources or facts.

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 01:17 AM Those who know, know. Says:

Reply to #30  
farfalan Says:

yes agri filed for chapter 11 however the judge will rule on it on wednesday in the mean time we have to take all chicken and dump it in front of the white house

Agri has not yet filed for Chap. 11.
The judge is hearing the lawsuit brought by the bank that is owed $35million.

But a Chap. 11 filing makes no difference. Agri has shut down. They are not shechting anything. They will not ship anything. They are finished.

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 01:14 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #31  
Anonymous Says:

may be ICE should pay for ConEd for 4 Hour of Usage of electric while they where in the plant May 12

maybe ICE should go after illegals who commit crimes against innocent civilians all day long

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 01:13 AM Just a Thought Says:

The time enregy and effort on the part of both the gov't and private individuals to destroy Rubashkin is unbelieveable. This is malicous prosecution by the govy and libel/slander by private individuals. It is also insane - but it might just have suceeded Chas v shalom. The only thing to be gained from watching this travesty unfold is the knowledge that the govt can bring down anyone if they have some outside help (prta, unions etcZ). There is no way the fed gov ws able to concoct this scheme - they can barely prosecute the frauds that land on their desks. They only got to Spinka with the help og a yid turncoat out for his own backside.

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 01:50 AM Anonymous Says:

It's the unions Yemach Shmom that did all this...this is payback... Rubashkin wouldn't unionize so they took revenge.

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 01:47 AM Groiser Chuchem Says:

So now that Agri will be closing down, all you self-righteous hypocrites can enjoy yourselves. Yeah, Yeah, dance on their grave. BUT what will you say when you go to the store to buy meat and chicken etc. Sure, you're "too frum" to eat from Rubashkin but it was ONLY BECAUSE OF THEM that the prices were reasonable. Have you seen the prices lately? A year ago chicken legs were 99 cents a pound. You can't get it for 1.99 now. More like 2.39. Meat is totally outrageous. Used to be last year 3.29 for chop meat. It's at least 5.49 now. So now you now how much you need to say THANKS to the Rubashkin family. They set up their business in such a way that they would be the "price-setter" for the ENTIRE INDUSTRY. If they set the price of chicken at 99 cents a pound then the "holy" chicken producers could only charge 1.39. But now that they are "out of the way" WATCH OUT. According to reliable sources the prices will RISE another 25-35%. Meanwhile the price of NON-KOSHER meat and chicken has FALLEN over the last 4 months. So if you were wondering WHY, you have your answer.
I'm not naive to think that they didn't mess around with the labor laws, but the way this was handled makes me think that some other agenda was involved.

40

 Nov 02, 2008 at 01:46 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #36  
Anonymous Says:

maybe ICE should go after illegals who commit crimes against innocent civilians all day long

maybe ICE should go over Obama Aunt illegal from africa?? Eve possible she worked in agriprocessors before may 12 on Obama Social Security that why Obama was so our spoken

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 01:58 AM elisheva Says:

So how about if we Jews take up a collection and pay the bill?
Jewish businesses are being attacked all over, for a number of years inUSA.
Ford Foundation groups often behind.
And what about this bank - how about if - anyone having accounts threatens to withdraw if they harm Agri?

42

 Nov 02, 2008 at 01:12 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #20  
Anonymous Says:

and also charged with id theft and also selling tainted meat etc

They were not charged with selling tainted meat, just as false as the claim (coment #5) that they were charged with child slavery.

43

 Nov 02, 2008 at 01:19 AM Can't be any Chapter 11 in this case Says:

The Banks have all of the Father and Sons PERSONAL PROPERTY as collateral.

Chapter 11 can't help in such a case.

Chapter 11 can only stop the electric company and other bill collectors but can't stop the banks that have everything (ALL of Rubashkins business and personal property) as collateral.

Anyone still think that the Banks are Anti_Semites too for not wanting to loose their $35 Million Loan?

Anyone who still fantasizes that it's merely anti-semitism to collect a loan, let me see them donate all of their homes equity to the Rubashkins.

44

 Nov 02, 2008 at 03:17 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
CHUTZPA Says:

I think that all their crying of anti semitism is doing Us Jews bad Lets face the fact they used children for slaves YES OR NO so if yes then we should also agree to close them down just to show that we Jews don"t support this kind of acts.
SHAME_SHAME_SHAME_SHAME

I think you have chutzpah to say that about Rubashkin. Youre a low life just like the rest of'em. The Rubashkins are the nicest people around and they treated their Mexicans better than Peta treats Humans. So shut up and take a hike.

45

 Nov 02, 2008 at 02:22 AM Anonymous Says:

Making Criminals Out of All Yidden?
So now all yiden are criminals ?aha and what r u doing ?

46

 Nov 02, 2008 at 01:51 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #43  
Can't be any Chapter 11 in this case Says:

The Banks have all of the Father and Sons PERSONAL PROPERTY as collateral.

Chapter 11 can't help in such a case.

Chapter 11 can only stop the electric company and other bill collectors but can't stop the banks that have everything (ALL of Rubashkins business and personal property) as collateral.

Anyone still think that the Banks are Anti_Semites too for not wanting to loose their $35 Million Loan?

Anyone who still fantasizes that it's merely anti-semitism to collect a loan, let me see them donate all of their homes equity to the Rubashkins.

It is what brought them to this sorry state, is what everyone is referringto as anti-semiticism. If they paid their fines they should be free of further punishment. If they employed a seventeen year old they were charged for every hour he worked there. No one stole anything, these illegals all paid taxes so there is a limit to how much you can punish, uknless it is anti-semiticism

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 01:33 AM yitz Says:

Reply to #20  
Anonymous Says:

and also charged with id theft and also selling tainted meat etc

you ignoramous. thay were not charged with id theft nor selling tainted meat. it was making false id. big diff.

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 01:28 AM The End Justifies the Means? Says:

Reply to #39  
Groiser Chuchem Says:

So now that Agri will be closing down, all you self-righteous hypocrites can enjoy yourselves. Yeah, Yeah, dance on their grave. BUT what will you say when you go to the store to buy meat and chicken etc. Sure, you're "too frum" to eat from Rubashkin but it was ONLY BECAUSE OF THEM that the prices were reasonable. Have you seen the prices lately? A year ago chicken legs were 99 cents a pound. You can't get it for 1.99 now. More like 2.39. Meat is totally outrageous. Used to be last year 3.29 for chop meat. It's at least 5.49 now. So now you now how much you need to say THANKS to the Rubashkin family. They set up their business in such a way that they would be the "price-setter" for the ENTIRE INDUSTRY. If they set the price of chicken at 99 cents a pound then the "holy" chicken producers could only charge 1.39. But now that they are "out of the way" WATCH OUT. According to reliable sources the prices will RISE another 25-35%. Meanwhile the price of NON-KOSHER meat and chicken has FALLEN over the last 4 months. So if you were wondering WHY, you have your answer.
I'm not naive to think that they didn't mess around with the labor laws, but the way this was handled makes me think that some other agenda was involved.

So you, the "Greaiser Chochem" thinks that in order for you to spend a few pennies less on chicken that justifies making a Chill Hashem and justifies the questionable Kashrus Standard which had prompted the KAJ to pull the Hechsher?

Remember that your Parnasa is given to you by Hashem, and G-d decides how much or how little money you will have available to pay for your Chicken, regardless how much or how little Rubashkin or anyone else decides to change for it.

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 01:27 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #34  
tainted meat?! Says:

and where exactly have they been found to sell tainted meat? you people just throw out these accusations with no sources or facts.

AUGUST 2006: The company agrees to pay $603,086 to settle a complaint by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. Federal prosecutors had accused the owners of discharging pollutants into Postville's city water treatment system.

SEPTEMBER 2006: The U.S. Department of Agriculture issues a "letter of warning" to the plant, based on failure to meet minimum requirements for sanitary conditions. Rodents had been seen in offices, and other unsanitary conditions were noted outside the plant. The letter noted multiple instances of unsanitary conditions that had gone uncorrected over the previous 90 days.

DECEMBER 2006: USDA inspectors find fecal contamination of chickens being processed. In one case, an inspector has to intervene three times to correct the problem. A day later, an inspector finds that about half the chickens he observes being processed are contaminated with feces and bile. A week later, inspectors note that at least 70 percent of the chickens are contaminated with feces. Two days later, inspectors report finding two pallets of beef that had "a rancid smell and (were) slimy to the touch." Hydraulic oil is seen dripping from an overhead motor onto raw chickens being processed. A few days later, inspectors see the same problem.

JANUARY 2007: USDA inspectors find "a large amount of fecal and bile contamination" on chickens being processed. Three areas are deemed "out of compliance, with fecal material sprayed everywhere around them." An inspector halts the meat-processing line and raises the issue with a worker who wanted to restart the line without taking corrective action.

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 07:30 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #41  
elisheva Says:

So how about if we Jews take up a collection and pay the bill?
Jewish businesses are being attacked all over, for a number of years inUSA.
Ford Foundation groups often behind.
And what about this bank - how about if - anyone having accounts threatens to withdraw if they harm Agri?

I would not pay a cent, after seeing the farbrengen in Iowa after Sholom was released.

I saw people drinking vodka, dancing around tables in a shul, celebrating that Rubashkin was released.

The arrogance - the chutzpah. After all the charges were made, after the bank moved to take the assets, after they started kinning off the chicks (baal tashchis) and the best that they can do is to act like a bunch of drunken shegotzon and dance???

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 08:04 AM Avraham Abba Says:

Dear Brothers and Sisters,
Let's eat meat only on Shabbos and Yom Tivim and at simchas. We will all get healthier and that will be our way of protesting against all the anger and evil accusations and arguements resulting from this issue. We don't need so much beef and chicken and franks and steaks and lamb and turkey and chopped meat and organ meats and more relevantly,...we have all had enough BALONEY!
Veggies, here I come.

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 08:33 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #39  
Groiser Chuchem Says:

So now that Agri will be closing down, all you self-righteous hypocrites can enjoy yourselves. Yeah, Yeah, dance on their grave. BUT what will you say when you go to the store to buy meat and chicken etc. Sure, you're "too frum" to eat from Rubashkin but it was ONLY BECAUSE OF THEM that the prices were reasonable. Have you seen the prices lately? A year ago chicken legs were 99 cents a pound. You can't get it for 1.99 now. More like 2.39. Meat is totally outrageous. Used to be last year 3.29 for chop meat. It's at least 5.49 now. So now you now how much you need to say THANKS to the Rubashkin family. They set up their business in such a way that they would be the "price-setter" for the ENTIRE INDUSTRY. If they set the price of chicken at 99 cents a pound then the "holy" chicken producers could only charge 1.39. But now that they are "out of the way" WATCH OUT. According to reliable sources the prices will RISE another 25-35%. Meanwhile the price of NON-KOSHER meat and chicken has FALLEN over the last 4 months. So if you were wondering WHY, you have your answer.
I'm not naive to think that they didn't mess around with the labor laws, but the way this was handled makes me think that some other agenda was involved.

I don't have to 'dance on their grave'. I saw the video of the people in Postville already dancing and drinking.

How do you equate the Chillul Hashem that is taking place on a WORLDWIDE scale (via the internet) with paying extra for chickens and meat? Rubashkin did NOT make it affordable at all. The proces were comparable with all the other Kosher producers.

The Rebbe would have NEVER allowed this to happen. Putting Moshe Rubashkin in charge of the CHK was giving his family a carte blanche to play with Kashrus on a grand scale. And look at the results.

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 08:28 AM Shaul in Monsey Says:

Many years ago, I worked for a small wholeslae operation that did a few million dollars a year. The man I worked for, my first boss, was great to me. A real baal chesed. He did a lot for me on a personal level. So when he asked me to invoice cash customers so that all the cash wouldn't hit the books, I did it. He'd hand me a double commission on the spot. When he asked me to do some other things that seemed iffy, I felt compelled and didn't question. And every year he did his few million.

Well, one day, the owner's son graduated business school. And he came in and sat me down. The son told me, look, we aren't running this business like a corner store on 13th Avenue anymore. This isn't a bodega. So stop whatever you are doing for my father.

Under the son's management, the business grew to hundreds of millions of dollars. It grew beyond what the father could ever have accomplished with his small mentality. Aaron Rubashkin needed a son like that.

You simply can't run a multi-million dollar business like you're still on 14th Avenue. I don't know if the Rubashkin's had disdain for the government. And I don't believe this is a (pick one) Union/Peta/Government conspiracy that makes the JFK assasination look like (pardon the pun) chicken feed.

When you're on 14th Avenue shechting your few chickens and the city inspector comes by and there's shmutz on the floor, sure, a few bucks will get him to look the other way, especially when he know that come Thanksgiving he's getting that huge turkey and a month later he's getting a case of Cristal.

But when you're killing hundreds of chickens and cattle every minute of the day, and it's the USDA you're dealing with, that same mentality is simply futile. When you dump a few buckets of contaminated water into the street on 14th Avenue, who cares? But do that in a streat in rural America, you're begging for problems.

Hire a migrant worker to sweep up at the end of the day so you can beat the traffic home - sure why not. But hire hundreds of migrant workers, hey, if you were the governent agency mandated with policing documentation, who would you go after?

And that's what I think happened here. No doubt the Rubashkins are baalei chesed. But they ran Postville like it was 14th Avenue. And it's anything but. Aizehu chochom, haroeh es a hanoilad. Too bad Aaron didn't have a son like my first boss did.

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 08:58 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #50  
Anonymous Says:

I would not pay a cent, after seeing the farbrengen in Iowa after Sholom was released.

I saw people drinking vodka, dancing around tables in a shul, celebrating that Rubashkin was released.

The arrogance - the chutzpah. After all the charges were made, after the bank moved to take the assets, after they started kinning off the chicks (baal tashchis) and the best that they can do is to act like a bunch of drunken shegotzon and dance???

where did you see it? the fact is it was a yom tiffla that day!

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 09:18 AM Elchonon Says:

Reply to #50  
Anonymous Says:

I would not pay a cent, after seeing the farbrengen in Iowa after Sholom was released.

I saw people drinking vodka, dancing around tables in a shul, celebrating that Rubashkin was released.

The arrogance - the chutzpah. After all the charges were made, after the bank moved to take the assets, after they started kinning off the chicks (baal tashchis) and the best that they can do is to act like a bunch of drunken shegotzon and dance???

Or you just hate chasidim ? its known from the baal shem tov "simcha poretz geder" simcha breaks down all barriers.. chabad chasidim dance and sing napoleans nigun after neilah right before tekias shofar.. we are dancing because we know we won!

Your outlook down here affects the hashpaa and mazal above.

You think chasidim drink lechaim like the lo mishalanu ? jump in a lake please.

Please quote me shulchan aruch which says one may not make a lechaim and dance ?

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 09:05 AM Anonymous Says:

#54 (WOW )

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 09:43 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #18  
Anonymous Says:

What is so difficult for all you people to understand. This is not the result of a government conspiracy against Yidden. They violated the law period! Now they are paying the consequences. Peta people are a bunch of dangerous Morons, but certainly not capable of orchestrating this kind of debacle. This is result of people not obeying the law and thinking they are above the law and not going to get caught. It is a shame that the ultimate victim will be the Kosher consumer, who will now see a shortage of meat and who knows what kind of price increase. The treif slaughter houses face the same problems with employee staffing as Agri and they seem to get by without hiring illegal and underage minors.

Who said. Not being raided does not mean innosent.

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 09:59 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #50  
Anonymous Says:

I would not pay a cent, after seeing the farbrengen in Iowa after Sholom was released.

I saw people drinking vodka, dancing around tables in a shul, celebrating that Rubashkin was released.

The arrogance - the chutzpah. After all the charges were made, after the bank moved to take the assets, after they started kinning off the chicks (baal tashchis) and the best that they can do is to act like a bunch of drunken shegotzon and dance???

in chabad to drink is not a evira so shlom was happy that he was let out on bond other mangers was denied bond so he made a suda what's wrong hater?

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 09:54 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #39  
Groiser Chuchem Says:

So now that Agri will be closing down, all you self-righteous hypocrites can enjoy yourselves. Yeah, Yeah, dance on their grave. BUT what will you say when you go to the store to buy meat and chicken etc. Sure, you're "too frum" to eat from Rubashkin but it was ONLY BECAUSE OF THEM that the prices were reasonable. Have you seen the prices lately? A year ago chicken legs were 99 cents a pound. You can't get it for 1.99 now. More like 2.39. Meat is totally outrageous. Used to be last year 3.29 for chop meat. It's at least 5.49 now. So now you now how much you need to say THANKS to the Rubashkin family. They set up their business in such a way that they would be the "price-setter" for the ENTIRE INDUSTRY. If they set the price of chicken at 99 cents a pound then the "holy" chicken producers could only charge 1.39. But now that they are "out of the way" WATCH OUT. According to reliable sources the prices will RISE another 25-35%. Meanwhile the price of NON-KOSHER meat and chicken has FALLEN over the last 4 months. So if you were wondering WHY, you have your answer.
I'm not naive to think that they didn't mess around with the labor laws, but the way this was handled makes me think that some other agenda was involved.

and just to add that ky chicken is by 2.79a pound the fact the rubashkin don't have money in the side to bail out the company shows that they able to raise a few cents more but they did not want to do it on klal yisroel chesbon so again you all going to cry together with over 200 family witout parnasa that mean over thousand off kids with out bread and milk the rubashkin laid off all magdei shiruim and rebbes and teachers last week so HOW can a yid be freilech?

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 09:49 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #53  
Shaul in Monsey Says:

Many years ago, I worked for a small wholeslae operation that did a few million dollars a year. The man I worked for, my first boss, was great to me. A real baal chesed. He did a lot for me on a personal level. So when he asked me to invoice cash customers so that all the cash wouldn't hit the books, I did it. He'd hand me a double commission on the spot. When he asked me to do some other things that seemed iffy, I felt compelled and didn't question. And every year he did his few million.

Well, one day, the owner's son graduated business school. And he came in and sat me down. The son told me, look, we aren't running this business like a corner store on 13th Avenue anymore. This isn't a bodega. So stop whatever you are doing for my father.

Under the son's management, the business grew to hundreds of millions of dollars. It grew beyond what the father could ever have accomplished with his small mentality. Aaron Rubashkin needed a son like that.

You simply can't run a multi-million dollar business like you're still on 14th Avenue. I don't know if the Rubashkin's had disdain for the government. And I don't believe this is a (pick one) Union/Peta/Government conspiracy that makes the JFK assasination look like (pardon the pun) chicken feed.

When you're on 14th Avenue shechting your few chickens and the city inspector comes by and there's shmutz on the floor, sure, a few bucks will get him to look the other way, especially when he know that come Thanksgiving he's getting that huge turkey and a month later he's getting a case of Cristal.

But when you're killing hundreds of chickens and cattle every minute of the day, and it's the USDA you're dealing with, that same mentality is simply futile. When you dump a few buckets of contaminated water into the street on 14th Avenue, who cares? But do that in a streat in rural America, you're begging for problems.

Hire a migrant worker to sweep up at the end of the day so you can beat the traffic home - sure why not. But hire hundreds of migrant workers, hey, if you were the governent agency mandated with policing documentation, who would you go after?

And that's what I think happened here. No doubt the Rubashkins are baalei chesed. But they ran Postville like it was 14th Avenue. And it's anything but. Aizehu chochom, haroeh es a hanoilad. Too bad Aaron didn't have a son like my first boss did.

You hit the nail on the head. Gut gezukt.

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 10:11 AM facts Says:

Reply to #52  
Anonymous Says:

I don't have to 'dance on their grave'. I saw the video of the people in Postville already dancing and drinking.

How do you equate the Chillul Hashem that is taking place on a WORLDWIDE scale (via the internet) with paying extra for chickens and meat? Rubashkin did NOT make it affordable at all. The proces were comparable with all the other Kosher producers.

The Rebbe would have NEVER allowed this to happen. Putting Moshe Rubashkin in charge of the CHK was giving his family a carte blanche to play with Kashrus on a grand scale. And look at the results.

moshe rubashkin was never in charge of chk and besides chk was never a major player in the kashrus at agri naything there has to go through rabbi weissmandel

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 10:05 AM Meatloaf Says:

Shaul of Monsey is correct.
This is a sad day. Not because a good company is going under. But because a good business cut corners and refused to obey the law. They took a good, successful business and drove it into the ground. There were many, many people who tried to help the Rubashkin's, but they always knew better. They wouldn't listen. Even the conservative's tried to help him and he turned a deaf ear.
Now you say you feel sorry for him?
What about GAL Investments in Postville. Frum Yidden in the real estate business they'll probably go under because they had contracts with Agriprocessors for worker apartments? What about all the workers who will be out of jobs and the other local businesses that will go under?
Good people do bad things and when they do they show remorse, say they're sorry

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 10:04 AM union claims Says:

Reply to #49  
Anonymous Says:

AUGUST 2006: The company agrees to pay $603,086 to settle a complaint by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. Federal prosecutors had accused the owners of discharging pollutants into Postville's city water treatment system.

SEPTEMBER 2006: The U.S. Department of Agriculture issues a "letter of warning" to the plant, based on failure to meet minimum requirements for sanitary conditions. Rodents had been seen in offices, and other unsanitary conditions were noted outside the plant. The letter noted multiple instances of unsanitary conditions that had gone uncorrected over the previous 90 days.

DECEMBER 2006: USDA inspectors find fecal contamination of chickens being processed. In one case, an inspector has to intervene three times to correct the problem. A day later, an inspector finds that about half the chickens he observes being processed are contaminated with feces and bile. A week later, inspectors note that at least 70 percent of the chickens are contaminated with feces. Two days later, inspectors report finding two pallets of beef that had "a rancid smell and (were) slimy to the touch." Hydraulic oil is seen dripping from an overhead motor onto raw chickens being processed. A few days later, inspectors see the same problem.

JANUARY 2007: USDA inspectors find "a large amount of fecal and bile contamination" on chickens being processed. Three areas are deemed "out of compliance, with fecal material sprayed everywhere around them." An inspector halts the meat-processing line and raises the issue with a worker who wanted to restart the line without taking corrective action.

it is thanks to people like you that these turmped up claims by the union have been spread and accepted as truth. firstly, what does the epa have to do with selling tainted meat? also you forget to mention that Agri invested in a $12 million state of the art water treatment facility - in fact it is from the best in the us!

your september 2006 story speaks of the offices and outside the plant not of inside the plant where they process the meat. and besides if you were to check any other companies history with a fine tooth comb the way the union has by agri you would find the same.

the december 2006 and 2007 incidents make it sound like the contamination occured in the food processing area, which is untrue. the incidents were the "evis room where the clean out the chickens and anytime one of the three full time usda inspectors notices something he/she doesn't like he points it and the chckens in questions must be rinsed and cleansed properly, which was done.

The bottom line is, that never has there been tainted meat that left the facillity.

but again union cool aid drinkers like yourself don't like to be disturbed with facts.

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 10:35 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #62  
Meatloaf Says:

Shaul of Monsey is correct.
This is a sad day. Not because a good company is going under. But because a good business cut corners and refused to obey the law. They took a good, successful business and drove it into the ground. There were many, many people who tried to help the Rubashkin's, but they always knew better. They wouldn't listen. Even the conservative's tried to help him and he turned a deaf ear.
Now you say you feel sorry for him?
What about GAL Investments in Postville. Frum Yidden in the real estate business they'll probably go under because they had contracts with Agriprocessors for worker apartments? What about all the workers who will be out of jobs and the other local businesses that will go under?
Good people do bad things and when they do they show remorse, say they're sorry

forgot to add Halls -catering -butcher stores- restaurant - shoctiem bodkim menakrim - masgich - rebbe in checer and yeshiva - travel agents - salesman- office employees - real estate - jews will be with out meat or increased on on next order- more and more

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 11:08 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #61  
facts Says:

moshe rubashkin was never in charge of chk and besides chk was never a major player in the kashrus at agri naything there has to go through rabbi weissmandel

He had enough power to call off the elections last January and we are still stuck with him.

He had enough power to divert the money paid to the mashgichim and shochtim so that they were paid 4 weeks late.

Don't spit in our faces and tell me that it is a 'segula'. We had enough of Lubinsky and 5Wpr spining lies. I do not need more.

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 11:16 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #55  
Elchonon Says:

Or you just hate chasidim ? its known from the baal shem tov "simcha poretz geder" simcha breaks down all barriers.. chabad chasidim dance and sing napoleans nigun after neilah right before tekias shofar.. we are dancing because we know we won!

Your outlook down here affects the hashpaa and mazal above.

You think chasidim drink lechaim like the lo mishalanu ? jump in a lake please.

Please quote me shulchan aruch which says one may not make a lechaim and dance ?

Yaakov prepared for eisav in 3 ways. Tefilla, dividing the machaneh into 2, preparing for war.

I did not see anywhere that Yakov drank vodka like a drunken sailor and danced in circles in a Bais Medrash (that was put up for collateral for the $35 mil loan). What will you do if the Bais Hamedrash is sold to a church? Drink another lechaim??


Rubashkin is faced with a 22 year jail sentence and the prosecuter now has evidence that he celebrated by getting drunk. And you are so smart that you think that you can spin it into something good???

And someone will have the chutzpah to tell the rest of Yiddishkeit that we were wrong and you have every right to celebrate.

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 11:11 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #61  
facts Says:

moshe rubashkin was never in charge of chk and besides chk was never a major player in the kashrus at agri naything there has to go through rabbi weissmandel

everything has to go through weismandel is only recent . before hand it was a total hefker velt and when shvartmandel took over it wasnt much better

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 11:06 AM Anonymous Says:

there were jobs before Rubashkin came about and there will be jobs after . Hashem provides and nor Rubashkin.

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 11:04 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #63  
union claims Says:

it is thanks to people like you that these turmped up claims by the union have been spread and accepted as truth. firstly, what does the epa have to do with selling tainted meat? also you forget to mention that Agri invested in a $12 million state of the art water treatment facility - in fact it is from the best in the us!

your september 2006 story speaks of the offices and outside the plant not of inside the plant where they process the meat. and besides if you were to check any other companies history with a fine tooth comb the way the union has by agri you would find the same.

the december 2006 and 2007 incidents make it sound like the contamination occured in the food processing area, which is untrue. the incidents were the "evis room where the clean out the chickens and anytime one of the three full time usda inspectors notices something he/she doesn't like he points it and the chckens in questions must be rinsed and cleansed properly, which was done.

The bottom line is, that never has there been tainted meat that left the facillity.

but again union cool aid drinkers like yourself don't like to be disturbed with facts.

There were 2 recalls by the USDA. One was for undeclared alergans and the other was for undercooked meats.

That spells tainted in my book.

Some wise guy will say - no one got sick. No one was killed. What difference did it make??

My uncle is allergic to eggs. When I was younger, he ate something that had egg products in it. His throat swelled up, his air pipe got clogged, he could not breath. His face turned blue, there was nothing that could be done, physically. He was dying. Another cousin (who is allergic to bees) has a pen filled with I think histamines and jabbed him in the neck. The swelling subsided and he started breathing almost immediately.

Don't tell me that undeclared allergans are minor. My uncle could have been dead and you will still not care.

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 12:04 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #67  
Anonymous Says:

everything has to go through weismandel is only recent . before hand it was a total hefker velt and when shvartmandel took over it wasnt much better

The apple does not fall far from the tree. He was head of the CHK, a tremendous responsibility for Kashrus in our community.

I ate from Shor Habor. We were told that their standards were better than Weismandel. Were they lying to us?

Aron Rubashkin pleaded guilty to taking money from workers that was not theirs. Moshe Rubashkin pleaded guilty to storing dangerous chemicals and lying to Feds. His son, Sholom also pleaded guilty.

And this is the family that we trusted for kashrus. A boosha on Lubacitch for this. The Rebbe would have never allowed this to happen.

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 01:04 PM Meatloaf Says:

Lynda Waddington of the Iowa Independent has summarized the problems at Agri SINCE the raid. It is an interesting and informative list. It is not up to date however, since it doesn't mention the arrest of Shalom Mordechai or the latest action by First Bank trying to recover its $35 Mill loan.

"Since the May 12 immigration raid Agriprocessors has:

been fined $47,750 by the Iowa Division of Labor Services for numerous health and safety violations.
had two middle-management supervisors arrested by federal authorities (both later pleaded guilty) for encouraging illegal immigration.
hired a high-profile, New York-based public relations firm that was caught impersonating members of the Jewish community.
been the subject of an informal hearing by members of the U.S. Congressional Hispanic Caucus.
said tentative relationship with Jewish labor force is “off limits.”
been cited by the Iowa Division of Labor Services for 31 new and repeat safety violations.
come under additional scrutiny for treatment of livestock.
been charged by the Iowa Attorney General’s Office with more than 9,000 violations of state child labor laws.
had two human resources employees arrested by federal authorities on immigration-related criminal charges. (One has pleaded guilty while the other awaits trial.)
has been assessed nearly $10 million in civil penalties by the state of Iowa for wage law violations. "

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 01:32 PM a GEZERA min Hashomayim Says:

To anyone who thinks that this is an exaggeration or an overstatement, think again.

This is no Joke but a VERY VERY VERY serious matter here.

There is a very severe CHEREM and NIDOY and KLOLEH against anyone who forces himself to be "Rav" on a Kehila against their will.

The Cherem is form Rav Hai Goen, Rabeinu Tam, the Chasam Sofer and 150 Rabbonim Geoin of generations ago.

Does anyone still wonder how an entire family who supports "forcing fake Rabboinim Al Hatzibur", has "all hell break loose" on them?

Wake Up Yidden and Smell the Coffee.

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 01:31 PM a GEZERA min Hashomayim Says:

Part 3

Moshe Rubashkin is expected to have to pay a 1/2 million dollar fine tomorrow in a PA court room and is expected to sentenced to several years in Jail this Monday, Nov 3, for all the wonderful "chesed" he has done to the Crown Heights community and to the Mara Deasra, Harav Schwei.

How blind can anyone be not to realize that the entire family, each and everyone one has recently been accused of endless strings of huge crimes and even the one single "rabbi" who supported all of Moshe Rubashkins criminal activity, even this "Rav" himself has his own package of problems with having been placed into a severe Cherem by Rabbi Herbst Beis Din, known as the "Beis Din of America - Ein Moshe".

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 01:29 PM a GEZERA min Hashomayim Says:

Part 2

In Crown Heights, Chabad Lubavitcher believe that the Gezera against the Rubashkin family all started with the Rubashkin family "diversion" of the Lubavitch Kehila Owned "CHK" Hechsher on Rubashkin Meat, and even more so by the Rubashkin Family encouraging and funding Moshe Rubashkin to Hijack the Beis Din of Crown Heights, throwing out the Mara Deasra Harav Schwei and installing Impostors who were never ethically elected to displace the Properly Elected Rav, Harav Schwei Shelita.

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 01:29 PM a GEZERA Min Hashomayim Says:

Reply to #70  
Anonymous Says:

The apple does not fall far from the tree. He was head of the CHK, a tremendous responsibility for Kashrus in our community.

I ate from Shor Habor. We were told that their standards were better than Weismandel. Were they lying to us?

Aron Rubashkin pleaded guilty to taking money from workers that was not theirs. Moshe Rubashkin pleaded guilty to storing dangerous chemicals and lying to Feds. His son, Sholom also pleaded guilty.

And this is the family that we trusted for kashrus. A boosha on Lubacitch for this. The Rebbe would have never allowed this to happen.

It's quite obvious to anyone who cares to notice that all the endless huge "TSUNAMI" of Tzoros that has befallen the Rubashkin family, this week, is anything but merely "natural", Derech Hateva.

This is a clear GEZERA min Hashomayim and simply doesn't make any sense in Derech Hateva, except as a Gezera Min Hashomayim.

According to Torah, Goyim are not Baaley Bechira, they "indict" whomever G-d forces them to do what he wants them to do - a Goy does not have True "Free Choice", except for his 7 Mitzvos perhaps.

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 02:37 PM Anonymous Says:

are you already in hashomayim? maybe you could tell who dien by bes din she'll malow is? but pleaese don't come to me I middle of the night ? where is your grave? now if rubbaskin is in the Adoma it make them closer to you!correct?

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 02:37 PM Anonymous Says:

From # 63

it is thanks to people like you that these turmped up claims by the union have been spread and accepted as truth. firstly, what does the epa have to do with selling tainted meat? also you forget to mention that Agri invested in a $12 million state of the art water treatment facility - in fact it is from the best in the us!
======================================================
The union wants to keep the plant open so that they can suck the blood out ot the workers. It is in the union's interest that Agri does not shut down.

As for the EPA - Agri was forced to make that water treatment facility after they were caught polluting the river with too much salt. You think they did it because they were nice?

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 03:50 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #76  
Anonymous Says:

are you already in hashomayim? maybe you could tell who dien by bes din she'll malow is? but pleaese don't come to me I middle of the night ? where is your grave? now if rubbaskin is in the Adoma it make them closer to you!correct?

I am trying to understand what you are saying.
As an outsider, I see what the eibishter wants me to see.

I see a corrupt family (from the father, to the sons, to the sons in law, to the grandchildren) that have abused and spit on the laws of the land that let them doven to Hashem with no restrictions, let them own knitting mills and meat plants that have given them untold millions of dollars.

I see this family trying to shroud themselves in piety, claiming to give jobs to hundreds of yidden and vast amounts of tzedaka to thousands more. I also see massive amounts of Chillul Hashem taking place on a worldwide basis, the likes of which we have never seen before.

I have seen dubious standards of Kashrus, while paid public relations persons spin every story to make us think that the emperor has clothes while we are naked.

Baruch Hashem, neither I or Sholom Rubashkin are in the graves, yet. I have yet to see Sholom Rubashkin admit to ANY explanation of what he did, why he did it, or what he did not do. An apology has never come from his lips.

So, my friend, besides the tzedaka that he has given to his 'people', what has he done to make us say that he deserves rachmanos from us?

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 04:03 PM anonymous Says:

Reply to #23  
Anonymous Says:

a kapara for what!?!? these people are such good people! you just dont understand!!

why has breuer removed the their hashgocha from Rubashkin, also antisemitism

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 04:30 PM Anonymous Says:

to # 63

the december 2006 and 2007 incidents make it sound like the contamination occured in the food processing area, which is untrue. the incidents were the "evis room where the clean out the chickens and anytime one of the three full time usda inspectors notices something he/she doesn't like he points it and the chckens in questions must be rinsed and cleansed properly, which was done."
******************************************************************************
What is your job at the plant that you 'know' what went on?

With a USDA inspector looking at you and seeing what you were doing, why would anyone leave fecal matter on the chicken? Because they do not care. Look at it another way - if this is what they do in front of the USDA inspector, what do they do behind their backs??

USDA closes a line when plant management does not act. Rubashkin has been on NOIE (notice of intended enforcement) a number of times. That is in the public record. NOIE happens to a really small amount of plants that either do not know or do not care about food safety. The next step is plant closure. How close has the plant come to that without the public being aware of it??

So - what is Rubashkin's excuse? Did he not know or did he not care? He had HACCP people working for him. They tell the government what they will do. The government stops production in the plant when the plant does not do what it had promised.

I used to work in USDA processing plants. I saw what owners did. The good ones ran nice operations, the bad ones did not care what happened - the almighty dollar was more important.

You decide what was important in Rubashkin's plant.

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 04:59 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #75  
a GEZERA Min Hashomayim Says:

It's quite obvious to anyone who cares to notice that all the endless huge "TSUNAMI" of Tzoros that has befallen the Rubashkin family, this week, is anything but merely "natural", Derech Hateva.

This is a clear GEZERA min Hashomayim and simply doesn't make any sense in Derech Hateva, except as a Gezera Min Hashomayim.

According to Torah, Goyim are not Baaley Bechira, they "indict" whomever G-d forces them to do what he wants them to do - a Goy does not have True "Free Choice", except for his 7 Mitzvos perhaps.

its as natural as stealing as natural as keeping pay from workers as natural as seling tainted meat and as natural as switching around kosher labels as it suits them

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 05:16 PM Anonymous Says:

Someone think of the numerous shochtim, menakrim amnd other people that moved out to Postville to work there. Think about the rebbeim from the Chadorim and grocery stores there. A true rachmonus on them.

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 05:13 PM Anonymous Says:

Since it seems from the article that the Riubashkins are personally liable for the $35m loan, does that mean the Bank will foreclose on the houses in Brooklyn, Boro Park and Crown Height on the father Aron Rubashkin and other family members??

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 05:08 PM Anonymous Says:

Does anyone if Agri is opening tommorrow? Is anyone going to step up to buy them? I s the electric bill going to be paid?
I would think - for someone who has the bucks - that buying this plant and business on the cheap would be a great buy. I would guess the whole thing will be sold quickly to someone for $5m, let's hope it stays kosher.

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 05:22 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #78  
Anonymous Says:

I am trying to understand what you are saying.
As an outsider, I see what the eibishter wants me to see.

I see a corrupt family (from the father, to the sons, to the sons in law, to the grandchildren) that have abused and spit on the laws of the land that let them doven to Hashem with no restrictions, let them own knitting mills and meat plants that have given them untold millions of dollars.

I see this family trying to shroud themselves in piety, claiming to give jobs to hundreds of yidden and vast amounts of tzedaka to thousands more. I also see massive amounts of Chillul Hashem taking place on a worldwide basis, the likes of which we have never seen before.

I have seen dubious standards of Kashrus, while paid public relations persons spin every story to make us think that the emperor has clothes while we are naked.

Baruch Hashem, neither I or Sholom Rubashkin are in the graves, yet. I have yet to see Sholom Rubashkin admit to ANY explanation of what he did, why he did it, or what he did not do. An apology has never come from his lips.

So, my friend, besides the tzedaka that he has given to his 'people', what has he done to make us say that he deserves rachmanos from us?

hotels- halls catering -yeshiva's- restaurant - butcher store's family -tavel agent - taxis - salesman -office employees - Shocthim - Bodkim- menakrim- masgichim- Cheder in postvile- real state- trucking's and much more are Falling apart, my friend went when Jews went KRIAS YAM SIFF and saw Egyptin drown in water we where not aloud to be happy about that and you are happy and dancing --- you should remain in Hashomayim

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 05:19 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #50  
Anonymous Says:

I would not pay a cent, after seeing the farbrengen in Iowa after Sholom was released.

I saw people drinking vodka, dancing around tables in a shul, celebrating that Rubashkin was released.

The arrogance - the chutzpah. After all the charges were made, after the bank moved to take the assets, after they started kinning off the chicks (baal tashchis) and the best that they can do is to act like a bunch of drunken shegotzon and dance???

you nut we will throw you in jail and then see what happens when you will be bailed out!

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 05:51 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #35  
Those who know, know. Says:

Agri has not yet filed for Chap. 11.
The judge is hearing the lawsuit brought by the bank that is owed $35million.

But a Chap. 11 filing makes no difference. Agri has shut down. They are not shechting anything. They will not ship anything. They are finished.

they are still shecting chickens and turkeys

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 06:14 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #80  
Anonymous Says:

to # 63

the december 2006 and 2007 incidents make it sound like the contamination occured in the food processing area, which is untrue. the incidents were the "evis room where the clean out the chickens and anytime one of the three full time usda inspectors notices something he/she doesn't like he points it and the chckens in questions must be rinsed and cleansed properly, which was done."
******************************************************************************
What is your job at the plant that you 'know' what went on?

With a USDA inspector looking at you and seeing what you were doing, why would anyone leave fecal matter on the chicken? Because they do not care. Look at it another way - if this is what they do in front of the USDA inspector, what do they do behind their backs??

USDA closes a line when plant management does not act. Rubashkin has been on NOIE (notice of intended enforcement) a number of times. That is in the public record. NOIE happens to a really small amount of plants that either do not know or do not care about food safety. The next step is plant closure. How close has the plant come to that without the public being aware of it??

So - what is Rubashkin's excuse? Did he not know or did he not care? He had HACCP people working for him. They tell the government what they will do. The government stops production in the plant when the plant does not do what it had promised.

I used to work in USDA processing plants. I saw what owners did. The good ones ran nice operations, the bad ones did not care what happened - the almighty dollar was more important.

You decide what was important in Rubashkin's plant.

i don't have to work at the plant to know what happend you can look at the source in the usda documents and you will see. Have you checked the record of other plants and counted their NOIE incidents? What exactly do you mean when you say imagine what they do when the usda isn't looking, the usda has 3 full time inspectors in that room, the line cannot run if they aren't there. By speculating that who knows how close the plant to closing you clearly show your slant against the rubashkins, being that you have no evidence that that was the case.

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 06:10 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #12  
Anonymous Says:

your comment refllects your ignorance

How right you are. what a dumb thing to say. They hired immigrants who lied about their age. When miss "shame shame" hires a young spanish house cleaner does she ask her age? I know I haven't and some do look young but many have had a child already and need my job to help feed that child...they could be under age how would I know? they all have fake papers or if you ask for papers they leave. To say they were slaves is just so beyond a normal comment.

90

 Nov 02, 2008 at 06:03 PM drunk?! Says:

Reply to #66  
Anonymous Says:

Yaakov prepared for eisav in 3 ways. Tefilla, dividing the machaneh into 2, preparing for war.

I did not see anywhere that Yakov drank vodka like a drunken sailor and danced in circles in a Bais Medrash (that was put up for collateral for the $35 mil loan). What will you do if the Bais Hamedrash is sold to a church? Drink another lechaim??


Rubashkin is faced with a 22 year jail sentence and the prosecuter now has evidence that he celebrated by getting drunk. And you are so smart that you think that you can spin it into something good???

And someone will have the chutzpah to tell the rest of Yiddishkeit that we were wrong and you have every right to celebrate.

and where exactly did you see pictures of people getting drunk and dancing wildly. What I saw was a community getting together to give each other support and wishing each other well with a l'chaim and then being that simcha poretz geder, everyone danced in an orderly fashion, and that is beautiful.

91

 Nov 02, 2008 at 06:00 PM excuse me Says:

Reply to #69  
Anonymous Says:

There were 2 recalls by the USDA. One was for undeclared alergans and the other was for undercooked meats.

That spells tainted in my book.

Some wise guy will say - no one got sick. No one was killed. What difference did it make??

My uncle is allergic to eggs. When I was younger, he ate something that had egg products in it. His throat swelled up, his air pipe got clogged, he could not breath. His face turned blue, there was nothing that could be done, physically. He was dying. Another cousin (who is allergic to bees) has a pen filled with I think histamines and jabbed him in the neck. The swelling subsided and he started breathing almost immediately.

Don't tell me that undeclared allergans are minor. My uncle could have been dead and you will still not care.

excuse me but the recalls were not issued by the usda, they were issued by agri on their own. I never said no one got sick so what is the big deal, or that mislabelling in connection with an allergen is nothing. The point is that this is the only recalls agri has had during their entire 20 years of operation, and you compare that with other plants which have issued recalls of a million pounds or more of beef, shows me that there are no food safety issues at agri.

92

 Nov 02, 2008 at 06:28 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #91  
excuse me Says:

excuse me but the recalls were not issued by the usda, they were issued by agri on their own. I never said no one got sick so what is the big deal, or that mislabelling in connection with an allergen is nothing. The point is that this is the only recalls agri has had during their entire 20 years of operation, and you compare that with other plants which have issued recalls of a million pounds or more of beef, shows me that there are no food safety issues at agri.

7/9/2007 1:27:00 PM


Undeclared Allergen Prompts Beef & Chicken Recall



Agriprocessors Inc. in Postville, Iowa, is recalling approximately 35,860 pounds of frozen beef and chicken products because they may contain egg albumen, a known allergen, which is not declared on the label.

The following products are subject to recall



20-lb. bulk boxes of "AARON'S BEST NUGGET SHAPED CHICKEN BREAST PATTIES, GLATT KOSHER, FULLY COOKED." Each box contains the code "8692-1" and establishment number "P 4653A" inside the USDA mark of inspection.



20-lb. bulk boxes of "AARON'S BEST MEATBALLS, MADE WITH BEEF, GLATT KOSHER, FULLY COOKED." Each box contains the code "8698-1" and the establishment number "EST. 4653A" inside the USDA mark of inspection.



12-lb. boxes of "RUBASHKIN'S, AARON'S BEST, GLATT KOSHER Kishka, Fully Cooked." Each box contains the code "3852-1" and the establishment number "EST. 4653A" inside the USDA mark of inspection.



1-lb. packages of "RUBASHKIN'S, AARON'S BEST, GLATT KOSHER Kishka, Fully Cooked." Each package contains the establishment number "EST. 4653A" inside the USDA mark of inspection and a date code of "014-07," "015-07," "040-07" or "042-07."



The products were produced on various dates between Jan. 14 and July 3 and were distributed to foodservice establishments and institutions nationwide. The 1-lb. packages of Kishka were also distributed through retail stores.

FSIS discovered the problem. There have been no reports of illness due to consumption of these products.



Source: Ann Bagel Storck on 7/9/2007 for Meatingplace.com

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 06:42 PM Anonymous Says:

Independent Testing Finds Rubashkin Turkeys With Extremely High Sodium Levels Many Times Greater Than Claimed On Rubashkin Food Label
Pre-Thanksgiving reviewers marveled at the good taste of Rubashkin turkeys and ranked them at or near the top of taste rankings, something Rubashkin made a big fuss over.

Within reason the more salt one has in the turkey, the better it will taste, Companies are reluctant to inject sodium into poultry because to do so means declaring the higher sodium content on government mandated food labels. However, if a company were willing to take the risk, increasing the sodium content of turkey without declaring it would give it an unfair advantage against competitors.

Rubashkin, intentionally or not, found himself with such an unfair and illegal advantage.

If you keep kosher and ate Rubaskhin turkey for Thanksgiving and your blood pressure rose to alarming heights, you now may know why. The UFCW Union reports:

An independent food safety investigation of two brands of Agriprocessor, Inc., turkeys revealed significantly higher than stated sodium content in the company’s Trader Joe’s All Natural Glatt Kosher and Rubashkin’s Aaron’s Best Glatt Kosher brand turkeys.

The independent analysis of the turkeys was conducted by Strasburger & Siegel, Inc., Food Testing Laboratories at the request of the United Food and Commercial Workers (UFCW) International Union. The investigation was requested after employees at Agriprocessors, one of the world’s largest Kosher producers of beef, lamb and poultry products, raised concerns about the accuracy of labeling on the company’s products.

“Shoppers have the right to know the true nutritional content of the products they buy, and companies have a legal and moral responsibility to provide accurate information,” said Mark Lauritsen, UFCW international vice president and director of the Food Processing, Packing and Manufacturing Division.

According to an official complaint submission to the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) by the UFCW, Nutrition Facts labels on Trader Joe’s All Natural Glatt Kosher Turkeys state a sodium level of 80 mg per 4 oz serving size. However, an independent analysis of the product revealed that Trader Joe’s consumers may have been exposed to sodium levels up to 351 mg per serving size, four times higher than stated on the Nutrition Facts label.

This equates to 339 percent above the stated sodium levels and is far above the 20 percent variation allowed by the USDA.

Further testing conducted on Rubashkin’s Aaron’s Best Glatt Kosher Turkey, a national brand produced by Agriprocessors, also revealed sodium levels far in excess of the stated amount on the package. The Nutrition Facts state a sodium level of 150 mg per serving size. However, independent testing revealed sodium levels of up to 357 mg per serving size, 138 percent above stated sodium levels. This, too, is far above the variation allowed by the USDA.

The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) estimates that one out of every three American adults has high blood pressure or hypertension. Having high blood pressure increases one’s chance for developing heart disease, a stroke, and other serious conditions.

In order to maintain a healthy blood pressure, the CDC recommends that an individual “watch the sodium” in prepared foods. One of the most important ways to do this is by closely examining Nutritional Facts labels on products.

“Today, more and more people are paying close attention to nutritional labeling. As a leader in the meat packing and food processing industry, with more than 250,000 workers, we have an obligation to maintain the integrity of the industry and to ensure that consumers are protected, educated and informed,” added Lauritsen.

Agriprocessors brand names include Aaron’s Best, Aaron’s Choice, European Glatt, Nevel, Shor Habor, Rubashkin’s, Supreme Kosher, and David’s.

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 06:35 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #87  
Anonymous Says:

they are still shecting chickens and turkeys

shechting REAL KOSHER or Rubashkin kosher?

95

 Nov 02, 2008 at 06:33 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #83  
Anonymous Says:

Since it seems from the article that the Riubashkins are personally liable for the $35m loan, does that mean the Bank will foreclose on the houses in Brooklyn, Boro Park and Crown Height on the father Aron Rubashkin and other family members??

as long as the money trail leads to them it will to be confiscated. i hope they had the brains not to put thier homes in thier names.

96

 Nov 02, 2008 at 06:30 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #88  
Anonymous Says:

i don't have to work at the plant to know what happend you can look at the source in the usda documents and you will see. Have you checked the record of other plants and counted their NOIE incidents? What exactly do you mean when you say imagine what they do when the usda isn't looking, the usda has 3 full time inspectors in that room, the line cannot run if they aren't there. By speculating that who knows how close the plant to closing you clearly show your slant against the rubashkins, being that you have no evidence that that was the case.

7/9/2007 1:27:00 PM


Undeclared Allergen Prompts Beef & Chicken Recall



Agriprocessors Inc. in Postville, Iowa, is recalling approximately 35,860 pounds of frozen beef and chicken products because they may contain egg albumen, a known allergen, which is not declared on the label.

The following products are subject to recall



20-lb. bulk boxes of "AARON'S BEST NUGGET SHAPED CHICKEN BREAST PATTIES, GLATT KOSHER, FULLY COOKED." Each box contains the code "8692-1" and establishment number "P 4653A" inside the USDA mark of inspection.



20-lb. bulk boxes of "AARON'S BEST MEATBALLS, MADE WITH BEEF, GLATT KOSHER, FULLY COOKED." Each box contains the code "8698-1" and the establishment number "EST. 4653A" inside the USDA mark of inspection.



12-lb. boxes of "RUBASHKIN'S, AARON'S BEST, GLATT KOSHER Kishka, Fully Cooked." Each box contains the code "3852-1" and the establishment number "EST. 4653A" inside the USDA mark of inspection.



1-lb. packages of "RUBASHKIN'S, AARON'S BEST, GLATT KOSHER Kishka, Fully Cooked." Each package contains the establishment number "EST. 4653A" inside the USDA mark of inspection and a date code of "014-07," "015-07," "040-07" or "042-07."



The products were produced on various dates between Jan. 14 and July 3 and were distributed to foodservice establishments and institutions nationwide. The 1-lb. packages of Kishka were also distributed through retail stores.

FSIS discovered the problem. There have been no reports of illness due to consumption of these products.



Source: Ann Bagel Storck on 7/9/2007 for Meatingplace.com

97

 Nov 02, 2008 at 07:07 PM Anonymous Says:

Rubashkins are too smart to have collaterized their personal houses etc and other business's...... Shrewd businessmen never do that.

98

 Nov 02, 2008 at 07:16 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #94  
Anonymous Says:

shechting REAL KOSHER or Rubashkin kosher?

Weismandel and his shochtim left in Tishrei. All that is left is shor habor. That would be Rubashkin Kosher

99

 Nov 02, 2008 at 07:14 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #88
Anonymous Says:
“ i don't have to work at the plant to know what happend you can look at the source in the usda documents and you will see. Have you checked the record of other plants and counted their NOIE incidents? What exactly do you mean when you say imagine what they do when the usda isn't looking, the usda has 3 full time inspectors in that room, the line cannot run if they aren't there. By speculating that who knows how close the plant to closing you clearly show your slant against the rubashkins, being that you have no evidence that that was the case. ”
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My slant is against poorly run plant, plants run by people that flaunt the law. That you take that to mean only the Rubashkin family is your problem.

There are 3 inspectors in tat room? And the workers still cannot get it right? And how many inspectors are in the plant? At every location and at every turn? And what goes on when the inspectors are not looking??

100

 Nov 02, 2008 at 07:10 PM Anonymous Says:

Are all the shochtim, menakrim and other workers paid up to date, if not they will never see their money!

Is Agri in Chapter 11 already, have they filed for bankruptcy?

101

 Nov 02, 2008 at 07:10 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #91  
excuse me Says:

excuse me but the recalls were not issued by the usda, they were issued by agri on their own. I never said no one got sick so what is the big deal, or that mislabelling in connection with an allergen is nothing. The point is that this is the only recalls agri has had during their entire 20 years of operation, and you compare that with other plants which have issued recalls of a million pounds or more of beef, shows me that there are no food safety issues at agri.

USDA found the problem, not Agri. Do you think that Agri will institute a recall if the USDA did not force them to? That is how the system works.

And no, the majority of plants in the US do not have recalls at all. Considering that Agri had TWO recalls, that is way above the average.

102

 Nov 02, 2008 at 07:09 PM Anonymous Says:

The Rubashkins cant even sell it with the business collaterized to the loan. An this is probaly why they didnt sell out the business all along, because the Bank's would never have let them sell out for less than the principal on the loan which is $35m, and the business may not be worth this amount.

103

 Nov 02, 2008 at 07:05 PM Anonymous Says:

Its interesting that the Rubashkins have a huge enterprise in S. America (Argentina etc) and will probaly continue to produce there. So maybe that why they are not paying the loan back. And therefore there wil be no shortages of poultry.

Do they also have operations in Nebraska?

104

 Nov 02, 2008 at 07:57 PM what in the world?! Says:

Reply to #98  
Anonymous Says:

Weismandel and his shochtim left in Tishrei. All that is left is shor habor. That would be Rubashkin Kosher

What in the world are you talking about, rabbi weissmandel and his shochtim never left, they still work there.

105

 Nov 02, 2008 at 07:55 PM another union talking point Says:

Reply to #93  
Anonymous Says:

Independent Testing Finds Rubashkin Turkeys With Extremely High Sodium Levels Many Times Greater Than Claimed On Rubashkin Food Label
Pre-Thanksgiving reviewers marveled at the good taste of Rubashkin turkeys and ranked them at or near the top of taste rankings, something Rubashkin made a big fuss over.

Within reason the more salt one has in the turkey, the better it will taste, Companies are reluctant to inject sodium into poultry because to do so means declaring the higher sodium content on government mandated food labels. However, if a company were willing to take the risk, increasing the sodium content of turkey without declaring it would give it an unfair advantage against competitors.

Rubashkin, intentionally or not, found himself with such an unfair and illegal advantage.

If you keep kosher and ate Rubaskhin turkey for Thanksgiving and your blood pressure rose to alarming heights, you now may know why. The UFCW Union reports:

An independent food safety investigation of two brands of Agriprocessor, Inc., turkeys revealed significantly higher than stated sodium content in the company’s Trader Joe’s All Natural Glatt Kosher and Rubashkin’s Aaron’s Best Glatt Kosher brand turkeys.

The independent analysis of the turkeys was conducted by Strasburger & Siegel, Inc., Food Testing Laboratories at the request of the United Food and Commercial Workers (UFCW) International Union. The investigation was requested after employees at Agriprocessors, one of the world’s largest Kosher producers of beef, lamb and poultry products, raised concerns about the accuracy of labeling on the company’s products.

“Shoppers have the right to know the true nutritional content of the products they buy, and companies have a legal and moral responsibility to provide accurate information,” said Mark Lauritsen, UFCW international vice president and director of the Food Processing, Packing and Manufacturing Division.

According to an official complaint submission to the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) by the UFCW, Nutrition Facts labels on Trader Joe’s All Natural Glatt Kosher Turkeys state a sodium level of 80 mg per 4 oz serving size. However, an independent analysis of the product revealed that Trader Joe’s consumers may have been exposed to sodium levels up to 351 mg per serving size, four times higher than stated on the Nutrition Facts label.

This equates to 339 percent above the stated sodium levels and is far above the 20 percent variation allowed by the USDA.

Further testing conducted on Rubashkin’s Aaron’s Best Glatt Kosher Turkey, a national brand produced by Agriprocessors, also revealed sodium levels far in excess of the stated amount on the package. The Nutrition Facts state a sodium level of 150 mg per serving size. However, independent testing revealed sodium levels of up to 357 mg per serving size, 138 percent above stated sodium levels. This, too, is far above the variation allowed by the USDA.

The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) estimates that one out of every three American adults has high blood pressure or hypertension. Having high blood pressure increases one’s chance for developing heart disease, a stroke, and other serious conditions.

In order to maintain a healthy blood pressure, the CDC recommends that an individual “watch the sodium” in prepared foods. One of the most important ways to do this is by closely examining Nutritional Facts labels on products.

“Today, more and more people are paying close attention to nutritional labeling. As a leader in the meat packing and food processing industry, with more than 250,000 workers, we have an obligation to maintain the integrity of the industry and to ensure that consumers are protected, educated and informed,” added Lauritsen.

Agriprocessors brand names include Aaron’s Best, Aaron’s Choice, European Glatt, Nevel, Shor Habor, Rubashkin’s, Supreme Kosher, and David’s.

This is another one of the union's talking points. This a problem across the board in the Kosher industry and when independent studies were performed on other kosher poulty brands they came back with similar results of much higher sodium, which is the reason the union's petition to the usda on this matter was not sucessful.

106

 Nov 02, 2008 at 07:54 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #69  
Anonymous Says:

There were 2 recalls by the USDA. One was for undeclared alergans and the other was for undercooked meats.

That spells tainted in my book.

Some wise guy will say - no one got sick. No one was killed. What difference did it make??

My uncle is allergic to eggs. When I was younger, he ate something that had egg products in it. His throat swelled up, his air pipe got clogged, he could not breath. His face turned blue, there was nothing that could be done, physically. He was dying. Another cousin (who is allergic to bees) has a pen filled with I think histamines and jabbed him in the neck. The swelling subsided and he started breathing almost immediately.

Don't tell me that undeclared allergans are minor. My uncle could have been dead and you will still not care.

terrible story about your brother but dosent justify bringing down rubashkin

107

 Nov 02, 2008 at 07:52 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #72  
a GEZERA min Hashomayim Says:

To anyone who thinks that this is an exaggeration or an overstatement, think again.

This is no Joke but a VERY VERY VERY serious matter here.

There is a very severe CHEREM and NIDOY and KLOLEH against anyone who forces himself to be "Rav" on a Kehila against their will.

The Cherem is form Rav Hai Goen, Rabeinu Tam, the Chasam Sofer and 150 Rabbonim Geoin of generations ago.

Does anyone still wonder how an entire family who supports "forcing fake Rabboinim Al Hatzibur", has "all hell break loose" on them?

Wake Up Yidden and Smell the Coffee.

what on earth are you saying Hashem punished tehm for something. I thought we have no right to say such things.

108

 Nov 02, 2008 at 07:42 PM Anonymous Says:

Agriprocessors has clearly been excessively prosecuted. Why? Because this is really a war on Kosher.

This all began with PETA whose clear agenda was to end Kosher meat. That led to the Forward Newspaper spreading lies so that the Conservative movement could get their foot into the Kosher industry. Then the Union got onto the bandwagon and finally the government. But it all started with PETA and has escalated to the current situation - from the beginning it's been a war on Kosher.
There have been very bizarre actions by ICE - unseen in any other case. In May, and again with Sholom Rubashkin's arrest, they released affidavits detailing their stories. This is very strange behavior. Since the Agri raid there have been other big raids, one much bigger than Agri's. Never have they put out an affidavit for a company they raided. Three examples:
A. Swift & Co - a multi-site raid that netted 1200.
B. Howard Industries - a single-site raid that netted 595.
C. On October 7th ICE raided a Greenville, S.C., poultry plant, arresting more than 300 workers.
In none of these cases were affidavits released.
Also, it is highly unusual for ICE to make press conferences about their raids. This has caused a disproportionate media response, a hundred times more than Howard Industries' raid, the current largest raid and one that netted 50% more arrests.
From the beginning they have been out-right lying. The first affidavit included a meth lab allegation. No HazMat team or equipment was even brought - proving they themselves didn't believe it, but yet they didn't hesitate to publicize it. They even claimed Agri was producing pipe bombs!
The affidavit said that Agri was abusing workers based on a report from the Forward Newspaper. Since when does an official government document make allegations based on a newspaper article?
Sholom's million dollar bail is crazy.
Agri has suffered abnormal fines never put on other companies, fines with none or very little basis (such as $10,000 fines for an extension cord, 10 million dollar fine...).
Most importantly, there has been NO CONSIDERATION for the fact that the entire US relies on Agri for Kosher meat. There is presently a shortage in Kosher meat and prices have sky-rocketed, and will continue to do so if this doesn't end soon.

We, the consumers of Kosher, need to scream out "bloody murder"! The government has joined gangs with the Union and PETA to bring an end to the Kosher meat industry.

We protest and call for an end to the excessive prosecution taking place against Agriprocessors, the Rubashkin family and all Kosher consumers!

109

 Nov 02, 2008 at 08:05 PM 2007 recalls Says:

Reply to #99  
Anonymous Says:

Reply to #88
Anonymous Says:
“ i don't have to work at the plant to know what happend you can look at the source in the usda documents and you will see. Have you checked the record of other plants and counted their NOIE incidents? What exactly do you mean when you say imagine what they do when the usda isn't looking, the usda has 3 full time inspectors in that room, the line cannot run if they aren't there. By speculating that who knows how close the plant to closing you clearly show your slant against the rubashkins, being that you have no evidence that that was the case. ”
****************************************************************************
My slant is against poorly run plant, plants run by people that flaunt the law. That you take that to mean only the Rubashkin family is your problem.

There are 3 inspectors in tat room? And the workers still cannot get it right? And how many inspectors are in the plant? At every location and at every turn? And what goes on when the inspectors are not looking??

"majority of plants have no recalls at all" what do you call these: http://agrifacts.info/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/recall-list-11-21-07.pdf The only two recalls agri has ever had were for a total of about 38,000 lbs and not due to e. coli or other contamination.

110

 Nov 02, 2008 at 07:29 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #103  
Anonymous Says:

Its interesting that the Rubashkins have a huge enterprise in S. America (Argentina etc) and will probaly continue to produce there. So maybe that why they are not paying the loan back. And therefore there wil be no shortages of poultry.

Do they also have operations in Nebraska?

Who will buy their stuff? Which hechsher will trust them?

111

 Nov 02, 2008 at 08:09 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #99  
Anonymous Says:

Reply to #88
Anonymous Says:
“ i don't have to work at the plant to know what happend you can look at the source in the usda documents and you will see. Have you checked the record of other plants and counted their NOIE incidents? What exactly do you mean when you say imagine what they do when the usda isn't looking, the usda has 3 full time inspectors in that room, the line cannot run if they aren't there. By speculating that who knows how close the plant to closing you clearly show your slant against the rubashkins, being that you have no evidence that that was the case. ”
****************************************************************************
My slant is against poorly run plant, plants run by people that flaunt the law. That you take that to mean only the Rubashkin family is your problem.

There are 3 inspectors in tat room? And the workers still cannot get it right? And how many inspectors are in the plant? At every location and at every turn? And what goes on when the inspectors are not looking??

yes 3 inspectors in that room watching every chicken go by. there are an average of 10-12 inspectors in the plant at all times. fecal and bile contamination is only a concern in the evis, which is the room where they clean the chickens after the feathers are plucked.

112

 Nov 02, 2008 at 08:52 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #108  
Anonymous Says:

Agriprocessors has clearly been excessively prosecuted. Why? Because this is really a war on Kosher.

This all began with PETA whose clear agenda was to end Kosher meat. That led to the Forward Newspaper spreading lies so that the Conservative movement could get their foot into the Kosher industry. Then the Union got onto the bandwagon and finally the government. But it all started with PETA and has escalated to the current situation - from the beginning it's been a war on Kosher.
There have been very bizarre actions by ICE - unseen in any other case. In May, and again with Sholom Rubashkin's arrest, they released affidavits detailing their stories. This is very strange behavior. Since the Agri raid there have been other big raids, one much bigger than Agri's. Never have they put out an affidavit for a company they raided. Three examples:
A. Swift & Co - a multi-site raid that netted 1200.
B. Howard Industries - a single-site raid that netted 595.
C. On October 7th ICE raided a Greenville, S.C., poultry plant, arresting more than 300 workers.
In none of these cases were affidavits released.
Also, it is highly unusual for ICE to make press conferences about their raids. This has caused a disproportionate media response, a hundred times more than Howard Industries' raid, the current largest raid and one that netted 50% more arrests.
From the beginning they have been out-right lying. The first affidavit included a meth lab allegation. No HazMat team or equipment was even brought - proving they themselves didn't believe it, but yet they didn't hesitate to publicize it. They even claimed Agri was producing pipe bombs!
The affidavit said that Agri was abusing workers based on a report from the Forward Newspaper. Since when does an official government document make allegations based on a newspaper article?
Sholom's million dollar bail is crazy.
Agri has suffered abnormal fines never put on other companies, fines with none or very little basis (such as $10,000 fines for an extension cord, 10 million dollar fine...).
Most importantly, there has been NO CONSIDERATION for the fact that the entire US relies on Agri for Kosher meat. There is presently a shortage in Kosher meat and prices have sky-rocketed, and will continue to do so if this doesn't end soon.

We, the consumers of Kosher, need to scream out "bloody murder"! The government has joined gangs with the Union and PETA to bring an end to the Kosher meat industry.

We protest and call for an end to the excessive prosecution taking place against Agriprocessors, the Rubashkin family and all Kosher consumers!

You are correct its a PETA instigated afair and they will go after the kosher consumer with the help of their left wing allies until they have obliterated all kosher manufacturing in the USA.

One queston I have is, isnt it the Bank that is liquidating the plant and not the government or PETA because the Rubashkins didnt pay the mortgage? We are not going to say that every bank that foreclosures on a Jew that doesnt pay their mortgage, that it anti-semeitism - so why should we say so in this case of Agri?

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 08:44 PM Anonymous Says:

#108 you are right - although Agri may have done things wrong, but make no mistake about it: this is a holy war against kosher shechita started by PETA and when they finish with Agri they will go after the next kosher place.
But unfortunately the Rubashkins have aided and abetted them, and specifically by not paying the loan, the court will liquidate and this is not a governemnt or any of the authorities, this a Bank that wants to be repaid their loan, and the bank says they have not been paid since the 1st qtr and before, so in the final analysis its not PETA that won out against Agri, the bank closed them up.
Our only hope can be that someone will buy the plant from the liquidator (or bankruptcy) and keep a kosher shechita system going, although I have my doubts, since everyone knows that PETA (and possibly the Unions) will be lurking by the back door with a video camera, as they did in the past,and will cause a lot of trouble to the any ppotential new owner.
Maybe some choshuve baalei batim will buy it and run it well (and probaly at a very good price right now), so the kosher consumer will not be hit with sky high poultry prices.

Hashem yeracheim.

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 08:44 PM Anonymous Says:

#108 you are right - although Agri may have done things wrong, but make no mistake about it: this is a holy war against kosher shechita started by PETA and when they finish with Agri they will go after the next kosher place.
But unfortunately the Rubashkins have aided and abetted them, and specifically by not paying the loan, the court will liquidate and this is not a governemnt or any of the authorities, this a Bank that wants to be repaid their loan, and the bank says they have not been paid since the 1st qtr and before, so in the final analysis its not PETA that won out against Agri, the bank closed them up.
Our only hope can be that someone will buy the plant from the liquidator (or bankruptcy) and keep a kosher shechita system going, although I have my doubts, since everyone knows that PETA (and possibly the Unions) will be lurking by the back door with a video camera, as they did in the past,and will cause a lot of trouble to the any ppotential new owner.
Maybe some choshuve baalei batim will buy it and run it well (and probaly at a very good price right now), so the kosher consumer will not be hit with sky high poultry prices.

Hashem yeracheim.

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 08:55 PM Anonymous Says:

Yes, the Rubashkins have huge operations in South America (Argentina and Uriguay) but mainly for meat, the chicken is mainly manufactured in the US.

Anyone know when meat or poultry is made in South America does it come here freezer frozen, and if yes can it be re-frozen (I was told always that meat can not be frozen twice by defreezing and then re-freezing)???

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 08:13 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #103  
Anonymous Says:

Its interesting that the Rubashkins have a huge enterprise in S. America (Argentina etc) and will probaly continue to produce there. So maybe that why they are not paying the loan back. And therefore there wil be no shortages of poultry.

Do they also have operations in Nebraska?

Rubashkin does not have any enterprise in s. america, they do a run in a plant there that does not belong to them. It is simply amazing how people state things as fact, while they have basis in reality whatsoever!

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 09:11 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #116  
Anonymous Says:

Rubashkin does not have any enterprise in s. america, they do a run in a plant there that does not belong to them. It is simply amazing how people state things as fact, while they have basis in reality whatsoever!

Sure they just run the plant in S. America but the plant does not belong to them.
Everyone knows its Rubashkins plant in S. America, and they have been expanding (along with Mealmart and other kosher manufacturers).

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 09:30 PM read what i wrote Says:

Reply to #117  
Anonymous Says:

Sure they just run the plant in S. America but the plant does not belong to them.
Everyone knows its Rubashkins plant in S. America, and they have been expanding (along with Mealmart and other kosher manufacturers).

i did not write that they run a plant, i wrote that do a run in the plant. i.e. they take all the glatt kosher animals that are produced from the shechita during a set time frame, (a week, 2 weeks etc..)

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 09:38 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #117  
Anonymous Says:

Sure they just run the plant in S. America but the plant does not belong to them.
Everyone knows its Rubashkins plant in S. America, and they have been expanding (along with Mealmart and other kosher manufacturers).

correct but in the goid times nebech before the whole situation about the Stomach problem and price thete where very low the use to shect there 38/42 weeks a year! the have installed they own equipment for over 1.M $ just like alle in chicago ....

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 09:37 PM Sheva Balkany Says:

Reply to #18  
Anonymous Says:

What is so difficult for all you people to understand. This is not the result of a government conspiracy against Yidden. They violated the law period! Now they are paying the consequences. Peta people are a bunch of dangerous Morons, but certainly not capable of orchestrating this kind of debacle. This is result of people not obeying the law and thinking they are above the law and not going to get caught. It is a shame that the ultimate victim will be the Kosher consumer, who will now see a shortage of meat and who knows what kind of price increase. The treif slaughter houses face the same problems with employee staffing as Agri and they seem to get by without hiring illegal and underage minors.

The treif slaughter houses face the same problems with employee staffing as Agri and they seem to get by without hiring illegal and underage minors. -#18 ”

Really? You're a moron. Read "The Fast Food Nation", by Eric Schlosser. Illegal immigration is rampant throughout the meat and cattle industry.
Actually, maybe you should watch the movie: the book uses big words.

Not surprised that you remain anonymous. Who would want to stand behind stupidity?


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 Nov 02, 2008 at 09:35 PM who's talking about a bank Says:

Reply to #112  
Anonymous Says:

You are correct its a PETA instigated afair and they will go after the kosher consumer with the help of their left wing allies until they have obliterated all kosher manufacturing in the USA.

One queston I have is, isnt it the Bank that is liquidating the plant and not the government or PETA because the Rubashkins didnt pay the mortgage? We are not going to say that every bank that foreclosures on a Jew that doesnt pay their mortgage, that it anti-semeitism - so why should we say so in this case of Agri?

Who said the banks are anti semetic? also you write that rubashkin didn't pay the mortgage; due to peta and everyone else attacking the rubashkins and all the hurt it has brought them, it's more like they couldn't pay the mortgage. do you think that rubashkin had/has the money to pay the mortgage but chooses not too?!

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 Nov 02, 2008 at 09:59 PM Sheva Balkany Says:

There are very strong opinions expressed here, yet everyone post anonymously.
Perhaps staying anonymous creates the feeling of not being accountable for beliefs or opinions....
Touting desire for a fair and just world while not even having the courage to stand behind your opinion. How ironic.

Seriously people. If you believe in what you are saying (trusting you have half a brain), why not respect yourself and put your name where your mouth is?


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 Nov 03, 2008 at 01:12 AM 12 million Imagrants Says:

There are over 12 milion illegal emigrants who work somwhere in the USA. About a half million come into the US every year. How many hier a nany, gardener etc. Using jews as scapgoats is an old trick in a bad ecconimy. This is wrong. We should all try to help and pray.

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 Nov 03, 2008 at 09:30 AM meyer lansky Says:

I still cannot believe that people are still defending a family of Jewish thugs. Lubavitch should eb the first people that say "he did wrong and we are not a part of this farce".

Looks like the Kosher Nostra is still alive and kicking.

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 Nov 03, 2008 at 10:55 AM mark Says:

enough of all the crap, the bottom line is Beef & Poultry products is in very short supply, we the kosher consumer are the one who will pay the price. there are no inventory @ either manufacturer currently producing kosher, as bad it was during yom tov to try the fill the need it's getting worst by the hour

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