Stamford, CT – Flatbush Rabbi: Forget Segulos, Give Up Pesach Hotels; Paying ‘Melamdim’ Inadequately Jeopardizes Our Children

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    Rabbi David Ozeri of Congregation Yad Yosef in Flatbush speaking at the  93rd Agudah Convention in Stamford, CT on Nov/ 14, 2015.Stamford, CT – In a passionate speech on Motzei Shabbos at the Agudah Convention in Stamford, Connecticut, a Brooklyn rabbi warned that the future of klal yisroel is in grave danger because of the dismal salaries paid to rabbeim.

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    Rabbi David Ozeri of Congregation Yad Yosef in Flatbush spoke eloquently for almost 35 minutes, noting that while the Jewish community has lavished attention on the sick, children at risk and the unaffiliated, those in chinuch are being neglected and are inadequately compensated for the invaluable services they provide.

    Describing chinuch as “the most lofty field which the universe has to offer,” Rabbi Ozeri noted that with our children being exposed to unprecedented outside influences, quality rabbeim are more important than ever, yet many are leaving the field because they cannot support their families on the salaries that they receive.

    Translating from Hebrew to English, Rabbi Ozeri quoted the Pele Yoetz who promised great rewards to those who ensure that rabbeim are paid appropriately.

    “The baalei batim have to open up their eyes to these melamdim’s paranasa and whatever they are lacking,” read Rabbi Ozeri. “How should you pay them? Cash. Every week … don’t worry about this great expense, greater is this mitzvah of … supporting the melamdim… than the Beit Hamikdash. This mitzvah is capable of saving you from any tzara and it shall give you bracha.”

    Rabbi Ozeri issued challenged everyone in attendance to find ways to provide more money to rabbeim, noting that just one year ago he spoke about the same topic and since that time, over $500,000 has been distributed to rabbeim in his community.

    Rabbi Ozeri read an essay written by Rabbi Shimon Schwab who lamented that people find money to give for every segula while overlooking those who perform the greatest task of all: educating our children.

    “Is this a way to treat the greatest heroes or our generations? We have turned them into schnorers … It is time to wake up and smell the coffee. Let us give up the Pesach hotel just one year and use the dollars saved to give our children’s rabbeim and morahs their due.”

    Noting that in a rare interview, Paul Reichmann Z’l once said that his greatest accomplishment had been teaching Torah to children in Morocco, Rabbi Ozeri concluded with a heartfelt admonition.

    “I’m begging you,” said Rabbi Ozeri. “Take care of your melamdim or the next generation is in big trouble.”

    This year marks the 93rd Agudah Convention, an annual event hosted by Agudath Israel of America designed to address and discuss various issues facing the Jewish community.

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    8 years ago

    We are living in difficult economic times. As ridiculous as this may sound, many of the melamdim are faring better than the parents whose children they teach. Give up the Pesach hotels? Now really! How many of us can afford such a luxury? .

    Godol-Hador
    Godol-Hador
    8 years ago

    How true

    Trolly_McTrollerston
    Trolly_McTrollerston
    8 years ago

    Maybe instead of looking for ways to squeeze out even more funds from already tuition-weary families, the Agudah should set up useful and practical vocational programs for mechanchim so that they can, like many balabatim already, take on second jobs to help make ends meet and earn a respectable parnasah.

    8 years ago

    He’s half right. The other half is that our chinuch system has deteriorated to where the hanhala is stuck with managing classrooms, not teaching. The way to manage, that is most effective, is by using disciplinary tactics. This results in getting children to conform and perhaps follow rules, but it accomplishes diddly squat for educating them in the beauty of Torah and mitzvos. And in the current age of bombardment of influences, the hull of the ship is cracked open so wide that we are losing the kids. We need to make chinuch an elite job, but an elite job must be done. Being a mechanech was never an easy job, but it has never been as challenging as it is today.

    When mosdos are ready to increase salaries for mechanchim, they must first answer a qualifying question. Is the rebbe doing a good job? The volume of information that is retained, as appears in test scores, is an indication of good memory skills. That is unrelated to true chinuch success. Does the talmid implement the knowledge gained, and does he display a love for Torah? That is more indicative of hatzlocho. Now, pay the rebbeim better.

    Crazykanoiy
    Crazykanoiy
    8 years ago

    The demands on rabbaim keep on growing but their salaries remain stagnant. Today a Rebbi is expected to teach the subject, arange extracurricular activities and trips, connect to each student on a personal level, be a mashgiach for the child’s ruchniyus, be a pseudo psychologist, and be available to talk to parents of ever increasing class size on a nightly basis and still have time for adequate prep, test making and marking. All this is also supposed to be done with a salary that is impossible to live on. That being said the point of #3 is well taken.

    SGMoish
    SGMoish
    8 years ago

    If every chassidish and yeshivish family has 10 kids ke’h how in the world are we supposed to pay the melamdim better?
    The people with many kids usually aren’t the ones who are sitting in Pesach Hotels and those that sit in Pesach hotels usually already pay their fair share plus. So the answer is either young rebeim doing their job as a beginner job and then moving on to bigger salary opportunities or start handing cash to all rebeim and grocery workers and warehouse workers and office workers (who don’t qualify for foodstamps yet don’t get free tuition ) and everone else. Rebeim were never paid a lot that’s life somehow we managed till 2015 . Wanna make money become a doctor.

    8 years ago

    Since an overwhelming majority of Yeshiva Rebbeim have been in their positions more many years, if we do increase their salaries–to the very same rebbeim who are there anyway, how does that improve the quality of the education??? While I’m not disputing they deserve decent salaries, I don’t see a big attrition rate at all, even with the low salaries.

    menachem32
    menachem32
    8 years ago

    It seems that some of the commentators here did not listen directly to the speech. He actually made clear that we can’t “squeeze out even more funds from already tuition-weary families”. He talked about how difficult things were already for tuition-paying parents. Instead, he suggested, we approach the gvirim in our communities, the billionaires amongst us, to help foot the bill.

    DanielBarbaz
    DanielBarbaz
    8 years ago

    It has been many years since I attended Yeshiva High School. I receive a wonderful Jewish AND secular education.
    I am wondering….what training do today’s mehanchim get so as to insure that they are TRUE educators. Not everyone can be a teacher. A rebbe may be bright and wonderful but that does not automatically make him ( or her ) and educator.

    8 years ago

    What about paying the English teachers? I’ve found that in the majority of yeshivos, the secular studies teachers are totally incompetent, many times inexperienced (my sons’ Yeshiva had a 17- year old English teacher who had just graduated high school that June, teaching in a totally incompetent way! I was appalled when I saw all the misspellings she’d made on his homework sheets, etc!)! The entire system needs an overhaul, and yes while rebbeim deserve to make a decent salary, we also need competent and better paid English teachers so our children aren’t being taught by illiterates and incompetents!

    8 years ago

    Are rabbiem really paid so little? Lets do some math. Say as R ozeri mentioned starting salary is at 40K (which is not bad for starting salary) and 10 yrs later its 50k. Most rabbiem get free tution for all boys in the school they teach in. Assuming on avreage one has 3 boys thats a savings of about 15k annually. So now we are up to 65k a year. Ok now the girls get thier tution paid for via the boys school directly channeling mosny to the beis yakov and then deducting the cost from the rebbe’s pay check. If there are an average of 3 girls thats a 30% savings for the rebbe. ( the savings is no tax or Social security on that money). Thats about another $5,000 saavings on 3 girls. So now a rebbe earns 70k a year. Now lets consider a rebbe’s paid time off. Every rebbe has at-least 10 weeks (50 days of paid time off) . Whats is a rebbe’s work hours? S- Thurs 9-3 and Friday 9-12. Thats a 33 hour work week. Ok so now you’ll argue yes but a rebbe has to prepare lessons. Ok so lets say he spends an average two hours a day for five days a week (Thats very generous as I doubt a 10 yr rebbe spends that much time). Now thats 43 hours a week. To be continued.

    cbdds
    cbdds
    8 years ago

    First, let me make it clear. I paid full tuition as requested. At times it became clear that I felt there was some funny business going on, especially when it was not a check.
    I propose that we seriously consider the advise after the involved schools agree to open all parts of their books to the parents. There should be a trusted group of parents, a committee that will be able to clearly state if they are satisfied that all members of staff, faculty and hanhalla are being paid fairly, even well but not abusively well.
    Attention should be paid to insurance and other contracts to assure there is no kickback arrangement.
    Leased cars should be disclosed and relatives being paid for little show or no show jobs should be considered.
    A major agency serving special children contracts out the job of making annoyance calls; to the daughter of the agency head, even as she lives out of town. Should one assume there is no one qualified within the 30 million that live closer? or should one assume worse?

    8 years ago

    To sum it up a rebbe with 10 years expierience works 43 hours a week gets 10 weeks paid vacation and earns 70k a year.

    Now lets take a typical accountant after ten years. An accountant works an average of at least 50 hours a week. During tax season its 60. He spends two hours a day traveling back & forth to work as well. He has 20 paid time off days. He also needs a collge degree and has $30,000 debt. What his pay after 10 years? About 100k.

    Is the per hour salary for a rebbe so bad?????????

    Oh I left out the government programs that they can often get.

    Contrary to popular belief rabbiem use to get apid horrible. In europe and even after the war in the USA a melemad was a shnorish nebby job for those who couldn’t do anything better. They got a poltury salary and never got paid on time. They never even dreamed of earning what rabbiem earn today.And yes todays rabbiem are much better trained and more capable of teaching.

    I am not suggesting to cut a rebbe’s salary. But don’t cry for them either. They do OK.

    Myrak
    Myrak
    8 years ago

    Don’t yell the Rabbi down! Professionals in education give their heart and soul to the job. When they get home, they have class preparation, assignments and tests to mark and parents who call to consult with them. They do not get compensated for this extra time! Furthermore, can a Rebbi moonlight at some menial job and still command the respect from students who might see him as a delivery person or cashier or even bookkeeper some place else? There are many organizations who corner the market with their “very critical” need. They spend fortunes on advertising and promos and pull at the heart strings and raise substantial amounts. Those funds could be better and more constructively challenged to our schools and preempt the need for “repair” services later.

    fat36
    fat36
    8 years ago

    How about first stopping the madness of פורים baskets for $100 $200 dishes in side are 90% of these expensive baskets those type of people throw it out anyways no one eats all that junk so we spend that kind of money that we have the holiday of Passover which cost a fortune

    8 years ago

    Pay them more for teaching less? These kids can’t read, write or add 2 + 2 and yet you want us to pay more?

    FBF37
    FBF37
    8 years ago

    I watched the speech last night so I am going on memory here.
    1. He said give up one year of going to a hotel for Pesach. Even this was simply an example in case you were wondering where the money would come from.
    2. Can we all agree that Rabbeim are not getting paid enough!? 40K to start out is a joke. 60K after 10 years is a bigger joke.
    3. His point was if we do not pay the Rabbeim more the good Rabbeim who can make it anywhere (as an accountant, social worker etc..) will leave and our children will be left with not the best Rabbeim possibly. He gave two examples of Rabbeim who he knows who left in the past year since they need to support their families
    4. He said he gave a similar speech within the year to his community and 500K came into the fund to support the Rabbeim.
    5. He is trying to say there are funds for every gemach etc… (I would say ohel, rccs, chai lefeline, bonei olam) why not one for the Rabbeim??
    6. He also correctly pointed out all the good morah’s are not going into teaching since THEY need to make more money to support their husbands…. So this is a domino effect of the situation……

    FBF37
    FBF37
    8 years ago

    …One simple but people will disagree thought to help the situation. I have always said that the Kollel system will hurt more than help the charedei system. Who does the Kollel system hurt most?? Not me the working guy. It sort of hurts me very slightly indirectly. So no big deal on my end. So who does it hurt?? It hurts the person who REALLY belongs in Kollel!! The person who will write a sefer, become a Rebbei, A Rav etc…. The community needs to support these people!! Problem is the Kollel system which many people are now part of b/c of peer pressuer etc… is taking money out of the hands of the people who really need it.

    So yes the community is supporting Torah. However you can say 50% of it are going to people who don’t belong in Kollel who can support themselves!! We need to prioritize where the money goes to!

    Just think a simple young couple, no kids still needs almost 30K to survive. If the parents give them just 15K a year it’s still a lot of money. Times that by x amount of kids in the family, and that money could be going to support Rabbeim. Plus now with Adopt a Kollel which is all nice and dandy but it hurts our Rabbeim here in America.

    Trolly_McTrollerston
    Trolly_McTrollerston
    8 years ago

    Maybe agudah needs to lead by example :
    Maybe they need to forgo the annual convention and put that all that money toward mechanchim salaries.
    Or forgo it’s lobbying efforts on political causes that they know they can’t win (like gay marriage)
    Not only will they save literally millions of dollars, but we will all learn from their example and efforts

    8 years ago

    I am not a Pesach hotel patron. Never tried it, and have no desire. In theory, I do not support it. Pesach is time to be home with family, however extensive it may be. My personal feeling about “mishing” is negative. I do not do it, and i do not advocate it. Had I been less informed, I would jump to support Rabbi Ozeri, to abandon the expensive Pesach hotels, and to use that money to fund chinuch. But I have connected to many situations of others who do go to hotels, and I learned that this is not a one sided issue.

    There are families that are unable to house their family members who come from far and wide, and hotels are the only option. As well, there are families who cannot afford to make Pesach themselves, whether for physical or financial reasons, and they are sponsored at hotels. I am aware of a family that was experiencing substantial issues with shalom bayis, and they used the environment to successfully reconnect and create the bonds that healed the family. Perhaps it is a luxury for some. But for others, it is a necessity. For those, it is no more justified to tell them to eliminate this expense than it is to tell them to stop paying electric & gas bills.

    8 years ago

    I am a real rebbi here teaching in brooklyn ny, i teach in a very well known mossad
    Internet access is something i do not have at home , however my second income nerds it so in my cubicle that i rent i have a computer my sister in in the midwest sent me this link and i think i have to respond .
    Number one rabbeim DO NOT get free tuition even if children are in same school
    Yeshivos are so strapped for cash there is no way they can do that.
    #2 the meager salary that a rebbe earns usually warrents a second job
    Most take on teaching english in the afternoon
    Does anyone here know how demeaning of a job that is? Do YOU have any idea how YOUR child behaves in the afternoon?!
    Do know what this does to a mentally and physically what effect it has on his viewing of yiddish kids ? Do you realize that we are slaughtering rabbeim over tiny salaries most rabbeim are altruistic in the begining but then they buckle like crazy .
    Once a year we make dome public demeaning campaign that gives discounted food to rabbeimim turning them into TZEDAKA cases! You want their good PAY THEM!!!
    Ugh discusting just pay them a normal salary!!!
    Parents are having a hard time paying tuition but there are literally billions out there being had by others let them help and all the charlatans promising segulas for money
    Lets stop this . The fact is 100 % of parents do not want to be educators and are hsppy thst other people are doing the “DIRTY WORK” so at least help them out .some wealthy people think its ludicrous to pay a rebbe $ 100,000 a year but yet their suits cost $3,000. Cars over $1000. A month Or their challah boards on the shabbos table can cost in excess of $5,000 thats ok but helping a rebbe ? nah ! These people are the boards of Our yeshivas!!! Enjoy your money but at least help out we are FIXING YOUR MISTAKES AND ISSUES DONT FORGET THAT!!
    In conclusion if we realize the importance of a rebbis job

    mewhoze
    mewhoze
    8 years ago

    why not take everything into consideration?
    there is talk about luxury vacations and luxury cars. what about the custom human hair wigs? what about going into the jewelry stores in bp and having to wait a half hour for someone to help you coz they are so busy especially around yom tov time? the chandeliers, the giant silver menorahs and silver esrog boxes?

    RamapoJew
    RamapoJew
    8 years ago

    Has anyone considered that the real reason the teachers are not paid enough is that a significant amount of the frum men have no formal parnasah training. Maybe the Agudah should focus on getting every single bocher serious parnasah training. No one is paying a ex-kollel guy anywhere near the 200-250k that must be earned to pay full tuition for a family with 5 children. Its really simple, every adult male takes his parnassah seriously – gets trained and pays full tuition. If everyone pays full tuition we can pay the rebaim what they are worth. it might also be a good idea to get the rebaim themselves real training – those with degrees make more money. Its really simple if we are willing to wake up

    MayerAlter
    MayerAlter
    8 years ago

    #41 is not from me [the writer of #12 ]. Mayer Alter, whoever he [or she] is, is pretending here. Neither is #42 . I said my piece once and that is enough.

    RebKlemson
    RebKlemson
    8 years ago

    to be honest, I’m not sure what to say here. the community grew and the problems grew with it. such tremendous problems with no easy solution and the blame shifts back and forth to both sides. I have no answer. but everyone can agree on the luxury spending that has gotten out of hand. kosher cruises, pesach hotel getaways, summers in the mountains, succot in eretz yisrael, january to miami, so let’s get real about that. it is excessive. everyone deserves a break, but not 5 breaks. i’m not even saying to give all that money to tzedaka instead! but a fraction of it could really help someone!

    circle
    circle
    8 years ago

    This was the most exquisite and marvelous speech I heard in a long time.
    Beautiful.

    8 years ago

    So many trolls commenting today! Anyway it’s pretty clear that Rebbeim should be paid more! Period. I’m just not sure how he plans on implementing it. By saying a speech, people shake their heads and say yes, yes, he’s right! But that’s about it. Does the Rav have any ideas as to to how to get people to have more chashevus for those involved in the holy work of chinuch? Moreover for every Rebbe job available you have many applicants. This in turn causes a higher supply than the demand. Which in turn means they can pay whatever they want.

    mewhoze
    mewhoze
    8 years ago

    I look forward to seeing the ads for pesach in the Jewish papers. they always show you who the scholar in residence is, various speakers etc.
    will prob find some of the rabbis that feel the same as the rabbi from agudah stated…cancel your pesach hotel trip, yet they are going!!
    HA!!

    RamapoJew
    RamapoJew
    8 years ago

    I find it interesting that teachers and rebbeim working 2-3 hours a day to prepare and mark tests/homework means they are working harder than the rest of the community. I have news for you – those of us who have jobs out in the real world don’t stop working after 40 hours a week. We work 50-60 hours a week on a regular basis. Making sufficient parnassah to support a frum family means working nights, weekends, on vacations, on chol hammed, on eruv yom tov, on motzei yom tov, on fast days, on purim, and in Tisha Baav. While rebbeim and teachers work hard they have it easier than the rest of us. That’s the choice they made and they get paid accordingly.

    Yitzchok
    Yitzchok
    8 years ago

    Are we talking about all Raabeim? What about the rebbe’s that teach in fancy schools, manhattan, LI, NJ, are they also struggling? The answer is: we must educate our children so that they can make a good enough living so that this doesn’t continue to be a problem in 10-15-20 years. Until then, the people with money in the community need to support the schools, if they don’t, then call them out on it, don’t give the alyos in shull, and yell at them when you see them.

    8 years ago

    if we want to stop the tuition crisis while at the same time pay the rebeiim a livable waqe is to open yeshivas that are not privately owned but belong to the klal. Today many yeshivas in Brooklyn are family owned and the yeshiva is nothing more than a private business. Instead of providing decent wages to the rebeiim these families are stuffing their pockets. The board of directors of yeshivas should not be the richest people but rather should be made up of the regular hamoin aam that can understand that tuition is way overpriced considering that so many of our kids are illiterate.
    Today the the divide in klal yisroel between the rich and the poor is greater than ever. Today we have not millionaires but billionaires among us who instead of distributing the wealth that hashem has bestowed among them they are hoarding the money for their future generations. I venture to say that in the frum community today we have between 15-20 billionaires and numerous multi multi millionaires. If you do the math their should be no aniyos in klal yisroel . If these big shots would act like Reichman or Rothchild instead of the meisers many really are we
    would have no need for such speeches.

    8 years ago

    Let the market decide what these rabbeim working in chinuch should get paid. A good rebbe will be in high demand and make a good parnassah. The reason why many of these rabbeim don’t earn much money is because they are not really effective melamdim but have ended up in chinuch because they have no other skills and have useful role in the heimeshe tzibur. We allow the market to set the value of services a plumber can charge. If a faucet he installs starts leaking within a few days, the word will go out he is a lousy plumber and may end up fixing broken pipes a the mikvah if he is really lucky . Likewise, a rebellah is providing a service and good ones will make a good parnasah and bad ones should earn bupkis because thats what they are worth.

    ayinglefunadorf
    ayinglefunadorf
    8 years ago

    Maybe we should pay less for the Rebeim or nothing at all. A Hatzoloh member works for FREE and does a much better job than most EMT with 80.000 salaries. Many Kolel guys might gladly take a job in Chinuch for FREE. If the Father/Scweer pays him to sit in Kolel for life they might be Happy to pay even more if they actually do some Real work in Chinuch. Unpaid volunteers, Hatzoloh memebers, Bikur Cholim etc usually do a better job than paid ones. Interesting that we have thousand and thousand of Kolel Yungeleit getting paid a small fraction than Rebbes and they are OK somehow. Maybe they are devoted to their lifestyle.

    PaulinSaudi
    PaulinSaudi
    8 years ago

    I have no idea. But I suppose looking at the numbers will provide an answer. How much do these teachers make? How does that compare to secular teachers elsewhere? How does that compare to other local jobs?

    Without seeing the numbers, we are just guessing.

    kollelman
    kollelman
    8 years ago

    Did anyone forget the elephant in the room?
    – The fact that in Brooklyn alone, there likely are 100,000 children in Yeshivas.
    – That the NYC DOE spends roughly $19,000 / child / year in public school

    Doing the math, even if the DOE funded only 10k / child / year – that would mean a yearly influx of $1 Billion into the community instead of moving around from Reuven to Shimon to Levi.

    Additionally, as some commenters have pointed out – Rabbi Ozeri was opening the topic for debate and discussion. His quote regarding Pesach Vacations was not his own, rather from R’ Shimon Schwab! We require serious introspection and Rabbi Ozeri was proposing we come up with a novel solution – before the next generation becomes destroyed due to the ripple-effects of the current situation.

    8 years ago

    The Ruv is 100 percent correct. As for the Pesach hotels, another reason ‘Heimishe’ Yidden should give up that costly habit is that quite often those who all year long are so careful not to expose their children to questionable sights, seem to go blind by staying in some extraordinarily UNtzneasdic venues, with females and males parading around in various forms of undress.

    md2205
    md2205
    8 years ago

    I agree with the person who said supporting kollels is also a problem. Here you have grown men who need to be supported for years when you have a crisis of financing education for the children. Really, which is more important? In times like that, think a bit and realize that using money to support men who already have learned Torah and already are committed is taking away from support of the youngsters, which is top priority.

    Anon-
    Anon-
    8 years ago

    I am a special ed teacher and love what I do but if only parents would appreciate the time and effort it takes to be a teacher and just use a card to say two words ” thank you ” more than just on Chanukah it goes more than any gift. Being a teacher is a very hard work and the salary will never do its justice appreciating your childs teacher by saying it goes a long way for the teacher and your child.

    PASHUT
    PASHUT
    8 years ago

    I hate to say this – and people will object – but we live in a society, in the frum world, where men are NOT encouraged to get a parnasah – but instead to dedicate their lives to learn. I am not getting into that merits of that – but the end result is that there now are MANY MANY men – as a percentage of all frum men – who can teach 2nd 3rd or 4th grade, and there are now less men – as a percentage of all frum men – who can support all the mosdos, yeshivos, melamdim, tzedakos, and aneyim that our community now has. We live in a capitalistic world – and if there are 10,000 men who can fill 1,000 jobs as melamdim, (while the working people are struggling to pay tuitions,and yeshivas are always in the red) it is the SYSTEM we have created that has resulted in an environment in which melamdim do not get paid better and in which poverty is growing. Focusing on “hotels” on yom tov is not addressing the problem. It will help for one year and hide the real problem. Lets address the real issue. Our system is broken and must be fixed soon.

    8 years ago

    Perhaps if we kept the kollel for the truly exceptional gifted yungeright instead of the average and below average guy, and take all the money saved by not having to support all those families as well as having to pay for the kollel buildings, the heat, the air conditioning, the rebbaim, the food etc. etc.. We could then use all that money saved to support elementary and high school yeshivot. We could then lower tuition as well as have the ability to pay the elementary and high school rebbis and teachers more and therefore attract a more educated and capable staff.

    Emes-
    Emes-
    8 years ago

    Every case situation is different. There is no rule for everyone. Some women work full time, this is their only vacation (doesn’t want to work chol Hamoad) and with children can not find time on top of all her responsibilities to spend weeks preparing. It is only with a competent Halachick authority that a decision has to be made. Maybe the frum newspapers shouldn’t advertise $5,000.00 shatels. But then again some women have to dress the part for their professional careers.
    One has to be honest with themselves and present the shila honestly
    without stacking the shila. I also know Rebbiem making $60,000.00 a year but get
    free tuition for their kids. One size does not fit all. .

    8 years ago

    Perhaps if we kept the kollel for the truly exceptional gifted yungeright instead of the average and below average guy, and take all the money saved by not having to support all those families as well as having to pay for the kollel buildings, the heat, the air conditioning, the rebbaim, the food etc. etc.. We could then use all that money saved to support elementary and high school yeshivot. We could then lower tuition as well as have the ability to pay the elementary and high school rebbis and teachers more and therefore attract a more educated and capable staff.

    RamapoJew
    RamapoJew
    8 years ago

    Let’s do the math. Assuming an average class size of 30, tuition of 10k a year each class has the ability to generate 300k in revenue. With multiple parallel classes per grade there should be sufficient money to pay the teachers a more respectable wage. Any Rebbi or teacher who is only earning 40 or 60k can blame the parents in his class who are not covering thier Childs expense to be in the school. Let’s face it, the kollel for all system is killing us financially. The rebeim who preach the kollel for all system are the ones who are keeping their own salaries low!!!

    RamapoJew
    RamapoJew
    8 years ago

    Let’s do the math. Assuming an average class size of 30, tuition of 10k a year each class has the ability to generate 300k in revenue. With multiple parallel classes per grade there should be sufficient money to pay the teachers a more respectable wage. Any Rebbi or teacher who is only earning 40 or 60k can blame the parents in his class who are not covering thier Childs expense to be in the school. Let’s face it, the kollel for all system is killing us financially. The rebeim who preach the kollel for all system are the ones who are keeping their own salaries low!!!

    thoughtfulthinker
    thoughtfulthinker
    8 years ago

    Maybe the schools should reconsider what kind of buildings they use or if they should use them at all. Basements or livingroom can easily be used as classrooms. Upkeep for buildings is a huge cost that prevents the schools from paying the Rebbeim/teachers.. They can’t have expensive facilities and then put the expense on the parents.

    kosher
    kosher
    8 years ago

    As an FYI to everyone out there, a first grade English teacher at RAMAZ – clearly a modern orthodox institution, makes $52K plus health insurance. They are not given and allowed to be given any Purim or Chanuka presents. I am sure the mechanchim don’t fair any better at RAMAZ. Oh, and you are expected to have a master’s degree in education. So I have to conclude that teachers, whether in yeshivos or in public school system, where a “tenured” teacher might make $70K after many years (though gets a retirement plan – something sorely lacking in yeshivos) are not doing it for the money, nor are they capable of living well.

    Therefore, it is a communal responsibility to make up the difference. What I believe is missing is a central fund, given that the Reichmans are not able to today to plug the hole.

    Yes, the real difference of yesterday and today is the lack of one/few major donors of the past and the UJA, JOINT fundings. We must recognize that if that’s not G-d’s will to have it that way, than all those that can, kick in the difference.

    leahle
    leahle
    8 years ago

    Many years ago, my Dad took a job teaching in a large Brooklyn yeshiva. We desperately needed the extra money. The yeshiva ripped him off, not paying him after he did the work. When you have a system that supposedly teaches the morality of the Torah yet is run by the corrupt, you get the current mess we are in now.

    zion123
    zion123
    8 years ago

    all you people who think they know more than the rabbi have real issues. who do you think you are?? this rabbi knows much much more chinuch than you