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R. Moshe in 770 earlier this week. Photo: col
Rubashkin and his son Sholom Rubashkin were indicted in November 2007 on charges of illegal storage of hazardous waste in their now-closed textiles company in Allentown, PA.
The Judge sentenced Moshe for 16 months and a $70,000 bail. His son's court case is postponed for another 6 months.
Friends and supporters who arrived this morning at the Edward N. Cahn Federal Courthouse in Allentown accepted the verdict with mixed feelings, with some initially predicting "it will be bad."
Rubashkin is a member of a respected Lubavitch family with its roots in Russia and is known for his generosity and open home. He lately resigned from the chairmanship of the Crown Heights Jewish Community Council (replaced by Dr. Harvey Lang).
The Courtroom- Before the Verdict
It is not clear whether he'll retain his position as Rosh Hakohol - the elected body of the community - while he has the option of appealing to the supreme court.
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Nov 04, 2008 at 02:16 PM Anonymous Says:
But he can appeal the judgment.
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Nov 04, 2008 at 02:28 PM Anonymous Says:
“ But he can appeal the judgment. ”
How can he? He pled guilty!!
He also has to pay $400,000 for the cleanup.
The apple does not fall far from the tree.
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Nov 04, 2008 at 02:36 PM Shaul in Monsey Says:
News like this is never good regardless of the circumstances that led to this result. Any blogging about someone getting what they deserved, justice, apples and trees, it's all inappropriate and misplaced. Not to mention childish.
The mismanagement at Agri is obvious. Clearly the end, in whatever form that comes, is near. The Rubashkins deserve our tefilos and good wishes as much as anyone.
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Nov 04, 2008 at 02:35 PM Anonymous Says:
to 2.
"The apple does not fall far from the tree."
You are right. Your father was a hater too.
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Nov 04, 2008 at 02:30 PM Anonymous Says:
Is this a "family machlah?" Why do these gonavim take public positions? The Chillul Hasshem is terible!
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Nov 04, 2008 at 02:40 PM Shteig Says:
No photos allowed in court.
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Nov 04, 2008 at 02:38 PM yoseph Says:
“ How can he? He pled guilty!!
He also has to pay $400,000 for the cleanup.
The apple does not fall far from the tree.
”
Ye he is a big baal chesed like his father and mother, there are a lot of rubaskin haters on this site
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Nov 04, 2008 at 03:11 PM estee lieberman Says:
One can just look at these nasty comments to realize why Moshiach is not here. So many are quick to judge, hate, and rejoice at the pain of other fellow jews. I am not referring to this particular post, It is sickening. What about "to love your friend like yourself?" Maybe the Jewish nation will have fewer painful experiences then.
And by the way, Moishy Rubashkin, along with the entire Rubashkin family are the epitomy of Baalei Chesed, which many of you have no clue what that is about. Doesn't it say in the Torah or Pirkei Avot , the good get punished in this world?????? This is a true example. We should all take upon ourselves one to do an act of kindness for his merit.
May God have mercy on him and all you haters out there.
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Nov 04, 2008 at 03:03 PM Anonymous Says:
I feel so sorry for him and his family, his wife, his chilodren and grandchildren. I also feel bad for those who will not be benefiting from his huge chesed on so many levels whil he is away. May Hashem bless him that this terrible verdict is somehow annulled.
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Nov 04, 2008 at 03:01 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Is this a "family machlah?" Why do these gonavim take public positions? The Chillul Hasshem is terible! ”
why are you so angry
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Nov 04, 2008 at 03:13 PM estee lieberman Says:
And for all those that are so quick to judge..why don't you ask all the poor families that he helps feed? All the guests that stay for MONTHS in his house? All the Baalei Teshuvos that he helps clothe with tznius clothing? IF they think he desreves this???????????????????????
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Nov 04, 2008 at 03:00 PM Anonymous Says:
again chillul hashem ? have you ever stoped in a not stopping sign??? chillul hashem
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Nov 04, 2008 at 02:59 PM Bronxyid Says:
“ Ye he is a big baal chesed like his father and mother, there are a lot of rubaskin haters on this site ”
It would better if he and his family not so big baalei chessed and were more careful about obeying the law. Their chessed can never outweigh the chilul hashem caused by these arrests.
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Nov 04, 2008 at 02:56 PM Anonymous Says:
We all love him but all he had to do was to clean up the warehouse years ago and not ignore the city violation notices and he would not have got the fines and not the jail time...
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Nov 04, 2008 at 02:51 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Ye he is a big baal chesed like his father and mother, there are a lot of rubaskin haters on this site ”
The Rubashkin haters and bashers on this site would never lift their finger to help other people as the Rubashkin's have done and still do. It is so sad to see such "noble" people enjoy another family's terrible distress. May Hashem help the Rubashkin's and help all the rejoicers do Teshuva
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Nov 04, 2008 at 02:46 PM Yossele Says:
“ How can he? He pled guilty!!
He also has to pay $400,000 for the cleanup.
The apple does not fall far from the tree.
”
He can appeal the sentence, even if he plead guilty.
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Nov 04, 2008 at 03:28 PM Yonason Says:
“ to 2.
"The apple does not fall far from the tree."
You are right. Your father was a hater too. ”
That was silly - you'd sound a lot smarter if you had addressed the comment on its merit . . . or lack of merits
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Nov 04, 2008 at 03:28 PM Yosef Says:
Reb Moishe, my eyes are red, my cheeks are drenched and my stomach is sick and acidy from pain, over the obvious gezeira that has overcome our community. Had I been the Korban, I could say that Hashem knows what's best for me, but Moishe? The Rubashkins? The entire community? That's a little to much.
My dear friends, Klal Yisrael and members of the extended lubavitch/Rubashkin family. Let's get together and be mareesh oilamois that Hashem should remove this terrible gezeira from us.
Let's sum it up.
Who will be there for the widows and orphans of our community every erev yomtov with new suits and shoes?
Who will be there for all the yungelait who have their utilities disconnected and need an immediate $1-4000.00 cash?
Who will open their home for 1-200 guests on Tishrei serving them 3 meals a day?
Who will open their home for all the group gatherings for the hundreds of guests from Brazil, Israel, France, Australia, South Africa and the rest of the world, who come every week to Crown Heights to learn about yidishkeit?
Who will be there to give their home and the food for the hundreds of Baalei Simcha who are Baal Teshuva or foreigners without any roots in the community for their L'Chayims, Vorts and Sheva Brachos?
Who will be there for the 1-200 girls who have been benefitting from nightly Nightlife of spiritual inspiration and Torah classes over the last few years?
Who will see to it that the community gets the most beautiful newspaper every week to educate and keep together the entire community with history of Chasidus, Chasidim, Crown Heights and beautiful divrei torah?
Who will pay the rabbonim (yes, ALL Rabbonim) every week?
Who will pay the past due grocery bills of hundreds of families?
Who will care when hundreds of families will no longer afford a piece of meat or chicken?
Who will care when hundreds of children will roam the streets during the summer months because their parents can't afford to pay for camp?
Who will care if the newly subsidized renovated swimming pool and gym that several hundred children and adults enjoy, will no longer be there for them?
And who will care if Machlokes returns to town in its ugliest form?
We are all victims. Does anybody realize?
Moishe in jail. Obama our president. Agri out of business. Rabbonim relegated to history. Machlokes rats out of the abyss. Dozens of homes in foreclosure. many dozens losing their jobs. Hundreds losing their life savings. Where are we heading?
Who cares?
G-d why are you doing this to us?
This is the ultimate Kelala: Ain Lanu Lhishoein Ela Al Avinu Shebashamayim. (Sota, 49).
G-d will ultimately come through. But we must urge him on and do teshuvah.
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Nov 04, 2008 at 03:27 PM Anonymous Says:
bashers and chillul hashem'nik's maybe you should stop posting anonymously, then i'm sure a little google search of YOUR name would be quite revealing!!!
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Nov 04, 2008 at 03:36 PM Chaim S. Says:
There is no question that the entire Rubashkin family, with no exceptions, are baalei chesed that can't be measured. They do chesed with their money, their time and give of themselves in so many ways. This does not give them the right to do things above the law or against the law. The more prominent and righteous a person is, the greater is the chilul hashem. Hashem yeracheim on the family in the zchus of all the tzedoko and chesed they do. But the community should take a mussar haskeil from this and realize that we can't go against the laws of this country.
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Nov 04, 2008 at 03:44 PM shaya b. Says:
Thare is no words to say who moshe is he help my family for years with clothing for yom tov he head accounts in clothing stores you would just say that moshe send me and it was on the house for chabd and for satmar mosh we love you my hasham be with you we will all pray ychi hamlach
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Nov 04, 2008 at 03:41 PM Anonymous Says:
Moshe is in jail because he did somehing very bad
Agri is closed because the owners lied to the government.
Why are you trying to tell your children - that if you lie and cheat, you are still a tzadik? Is this how you want them to behave?
Was this the Rebbe's legacy? Liers, cheaters, thieves - But they are great baal tzedakas with the stolen money. How can chabad justify this?.
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Nov 04, 2008 at 03:32 PM Yonason Says:
“ How can he? He pled guilty!!
He also has to pay $400,000 for the cleanup.
The apple does not fall far from the tree.
”
I am a frequent critic of what the Rubashkins did at Agriprocessors, but only because sufficient details of the case are known that, I think, warrant criticism. But how much do we know here? . . . I think not much, and especially in that light your comment is an unwarranted cheap shot.
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Nov 04, 2008 at 03:30 PM Anonymous Says:
If people obeyed the law then no one would go to prison. Its that simple
its foolishnes to think the government woke up one day and said let go after Rabashkin today..
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Nov 04, 2008 at 03:45 PM Moyshe Zichemch Says:
I am in this line (hazerdous/safety compliance) and never heard of someone going to jail for hazwaste. This is crazy. His lawyers S-U-C-K!
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Nov 04, 2008 at 03:52 PM chaim36 Says:
In yidishkeit we do NOT have the concept of a "Jewish Robinhood ".Tsedek, tsedek tirdof !
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Nov 04, 2008 at 03:50 PM The truth is... Says:
Moshe Rubashkin is REALLY a nice person and a true BAAL Chesed - BUT he is a wild "person" and he was warned to take care of his violations and he could have done it, but he thought it was a joke. So they gave him jail time. We all must learn from this, not to be a "smart-alek" for no reason...!
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Nov 04, 2008 at 04:10 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Moshe Rubashkin is REALLY a nice person and a true BAAL Chesed - BUT he is a wild "person" and he was warned to take care of his violations and he could have done it, but he thought it was a joke. So they gave him jail time. We all must learn from this, not to be a "smart-alek" for no reason...! ”
The real question is what did he learn from this?
Because of his actions, many people will be suffering. I don't care how much of a tzadik you think he is. HE DID HIS AND OTHERS HAVE TO SUFFER
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Nov 04, 2008 at 04:06 PM It's a real KLALA indeed Says:
Comment # 18 was right when at the end of his long drasha he says: IT'S A KLALA
There is indeed a Cherem and KLALA by Rav Hei Gaon, Rabeinu Tam and 150 Rabbonim including the Chasam Sofer and many others, against anyone who Forces Himself (his dictatorship) Al Hatzibur.
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Nov 04, 2008 at 04:27 PM Anonymous Says:
Wow!!! people on this site need to learn the definition of rachmanus and kol yisrael areivim ze lazeh!!! regardless of how you feel whether he deserves it or not- have some compassion for a jew who got such an unfortunate harsh sentence!!!!
aren't we supposed to learn the middah of rachmanus from hakadush baruch hu??? And if you want Hashem to have rachmanus on you - try to show some to your fellow jew!!!
All you bitter, jealous and negative people should try to do some introspection and maybe say some tehillim for the rubashkin family instead of spewing such anti semitic hate!!!! i'm sure you're all such tzaddikim that worry so much about causing a chilul Hashem!!! yeah right!!! by having such sinas chinam, and judging and talking lashon hara on a public website you are definately causing a huge CHILUL HASHEM!!! don't look at others aveiros look at your own! Hashem is in charge and we all need his shmira and chessed! May he perform a miracle for the rubashkin family! and all of us!!!
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Nov 04, 2008 at 04:34 PM tzve bomlgreen Says:
Moshe is a great yid we should all daven for him
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Nov 04, 2008 at 04:31 PM C H Mashpiah Says:
“ I am in this line (hazerdous/safety compliance) and never heard of someone going to jail for hazwaste. This is crazy. His lawyers S-U-C-K! ”
his lawyer??? what about Hashem
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Nov 04, 2008 at 05:12 PM Izzy Berkowitz Says:
“ One can just look at these nasty comments to realize why Moshiach is not here. So many are quick to judge, hate, and rejoice at the pain of other fellow jews. I am not referring to this particular post, It is sickening. What about "to love your friend like yourself?" Maybe the Jewish nation will have fewer painful experiences then.
And by the way, Moishy Rubashkin, along with the entire Rubashkin family are the epitomy of Baalei Chesed, which many of you have no clue what that is about. Doesn't it say in the Torah or Pirkei Avot , the good get punished in this world?????? This is a true example. We should all take upon ourselves one to do an act of kindness for his merit.
May God have mercy on him and all you haters out there. ”
just remember if somebody is a Bal CHESED or a BIG BAL TZEDUKAH that in itself is not on excuse for Violating the laws that this country has been founded on.
that is our problem we exuse a wrong with a right while they have nothing to do with each other & now can you imagine somebody passing a red light & getting into on accident or driving while intoxicated & will have him excused because he or she is a big BAL TZEDUKAH OR BETTER YET A BIG TALMID CHACHIM & no i dont hate anybody at all, it does not make a differene what thier names are or which community they live, but we have to stop excusing law breakers for what they do because they do great good deeds. while one has nothing to do with the other
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Nov 04, 2008 at 05:12 PM Anonymous Says:
“ How can he? He pled guilty!!
He also has to pay $400,000 for the cleanup.
The apple does not fall far from the tree.
”
He can only appeal the sentence.
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Nov 04, 2008 at 05:00 PM Anonymous Says:
“ And for all those that are so quick to judge..why don't you ask all the poor families that he helps feed? All the guests that stay for MONTHS in his house? All the Baalei Teshuvos that he helps clothe with tznius clothing? IF they think he desreves this??????????????????????? ”
I agree with you that we should not say mean things him about him, or be happy about the outcome. But if you want to start talking about how great of a person is do yourself a favor & dont talk about Moshe Rubashkin. I personally saw him beat up somebody with my own eyes.
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Nov 04, 2008 at 04:51 PM DaasHakohol Says:
Moshe Rubashkin was ordered to surrender himself January 6, 2009, at 2 pm to serve his sentence at the Federal Correctional Institution (FCI) in Otisville, N.Y.
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Nov 04, 2008 at 05:19 PM Yosef Says:
“ Comment # 18 was right when at the end of his long drasha he says: IT'S A KLALA
There is indeed a Cherem and KLALA by Rav Hei Gaon, Rabeinu Tam and 150 Rabbonim including the Chasam Sofer and many others, against anyone who Forces Himself (his dictatorship) Al Hatzibur.
”
I guess that you are stupid enough not to realize that the Klala is on you too.
Besides, I never knew that being elected by a 70% vote, is considered "forced himself al hatzibur." And Moishe will get 98% now.
In any case when you'll need help, Moshe will be there for you even if he knows who you are that wrote this vicious stupid comment. Ask Rabbi Schwei who has been giving his children free summers in the country every year? And ask him who paid his check every week recently, Drizin or Moshe Rubashkin?
Stop hating and stop looking for the Geonim and Baalei Hatosfos to help you hate. Remember Shloime Hamelech already said in Mishlei: Binfol Oyivcha Al Tismach. Even if you are justified to consider Moishe Rubashkin as your enemy, still you must not glee over his fall (unlike your Rav S. who behaves differently towards his colleagues...). And your glee is plotzing out of your vile hateful words.
Remember when you need help, call Moishe.
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Nov 04, 2008 at 05:18 PM Anonymous Says:
“ his lawyer??? what about Hashem ”
why his lawyer is no good
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Nov 04, 2008 at 06:48 PM muty Says:
“ And for all those that are so quick to judge..why don't you ask all the poor families that he helps feed? All the guests that stay for MONTHS in his house? All the Baalei Teshuvos that he helps clothe with tznius clothing? IF they think he desreves this??????????????????????? ”
you are so right & be matzliach
& all does pepole should go open a tehilim & say a few prokim for him
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Nov 04, 2008 at 07:27 PM anonymous Says:
although i am sad that he's going to jail, i am grateful that the term is relatively short - my understanding is he could have faced 20 yrs chas v'shalom. let's support our fellow yid - EVEN IF HE DID WRONG - we all make mistakes and we can all do teshuva.
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Nov 04, 2008 at 07:51 PM Anonymous Says:
all haters and bad mouths are simply depressed and bitter people, eating their own hearts out, so I couldn't care less what ugly and negative comments they write "always" when another yid is in pain or in trouble.
you shouls only remember, the world goes round, and you all know you have much bigger violations than cleaning waste and employing illegal workers. so one day it may be you..
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Nov 04, 2008 at 07:22 PM Anonymous Says:
“ you are so right & be matzliach
& all does pepole should go open a tehilim & say a few prokim for him ”
I just clicked to this story but it seems unreal. How could anyone go to jail for illegally storing, I don't think people draw jail time for illegally dumping and that happens all the time. This is surreal. Who was his lawyer? Did this judge have an ax to grind? Poor man and his family too, the whole community should be up in arms.
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Nov 04, 2008 at 06:56 PM yechiel melech Says:
Let those who are without sin cast the stones...too many who disagree with him about internal Lubavitch politics have been trying to casue him and the people he helps all kinds of grief...he has to pay for his crime and it is not something the frum community can be proud of but the sheer glee among the other faction in Chabad is despicable.
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Nov 04, 2008 at 06:53 PM bitachon Says:
“ Moshe is in jail because he did somehing very bad
Agri is closed because the owners lied to the government.
Why are you trying to tell your children - that if you lie and cheat, you are still a tzadik? Is this how you want them to behave?
Was this the Rebbe's legacy? Liers, cheaters, thieves - But they are great baal tzedakas with the stolen money. How can chabad justify this?.
”
I totally agree.
This is not the first baal chesed in jail.
Besides what type of message are we sending our children. Do alot of chesed so you can lie and cheat?
The gemara says that elyonim lemata vetachtonim lemalah. In shamayim, people who are great down here are sometimes a nobody in shomayim. Someone who is a "nobody" down here is a giant in shamayim.
For example, a hard working ehrliche yid who pays his tuition gives maaser gets up early to learn dosen't speak lashon hora dosen't have a kaas davens erlich and follows everything the shulchan orach says without making a chilul hashem. He is never honored or spoken about since he is not wealthy, however, I think that in shomayim he is a big shot.
Rabosai, priorities please.
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Nov 04, 2008 at 08:16 PM Anonymous Says:
“ How can he? He pled guilty!!
He also has to pay $400,000 for the cleanup.
The apple does not fall far from the tree.
”
To "Anonymous" who says "The apple does not fall far from the tree". They say ignorance is bliss, but in your case it is obviously sheer stupidity. Moshe Rubashkin, just like his parents, is a huge Baal Tzedaka, a caring and generous Yid who cares tremendously about his fellow Jew. How many would say the same about you??? The Rubashkin homes (the parents, Moshe's and the others) are open to all in need. They not only give large amounts Tzedaka but literally take in people, treat them as family, buy clothing, cook meals and do many other amazing things that not many others do. It is appaling to me how you can pass judgement on these people with your dumb and insesitive comment. You obviously don't know them at all!
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Nov 04, 2008 at 08:25 PM Anonymous Says:
“ If people obeyed the law then no one would go to prison. Its that simple
its foolishnes to think the government woke up one day and said let go after Rabashkin today.. ”
dont be naieve
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Nov 04, 2008 at 08:40 PM DONT ARGUE WITH ME ! Says:
DO YOU PPL KNOW ALL THE CHESSED THAT THIS FAMILY DID?!
DO YOU KNOW THAT THEY PERSONALLY FEED HUNDREDS OF STARVING ,POOR, AND HOMELESS PPL EACH NIGHT
DO YOU?
DO YOU ALSO KNOW THE TZEDAKA THEY GAV OUT?!
WHY DO U SAY THE APPLE DOESNT FALL FAR FROM THE TREE OR SOME OTHER CRAP LIKE THAT!
WHY JUST BEC THEY ARE LUBAVITE YOU HATE THEM
LOOSER!!!!!!
SO SHUT UP AND STOP TYPING NASTY COMMENTS
AND GET THE HECK OFF THIS SITE!
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Nov 04, 2008 at 09:26 PM anonymous Says:
is #5 the only one who sees the chillul hashem in all of this? guilty or innocent the outcry should be about the chillul hashem NOT whether we love or hate the rubashkins.
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Nov 04, 2008 at 10:12 PM Yoyli Says:
For all you people who are so proud of the Chesed, I agree that I am proud of the Chesed too, but one thing has nothing to do with the other.
If someone does Chesed, so now he can do all other averos, just because he gives more Tzedaka than anyone else?
That is Utterly Insane.
Tzedaka or no Tzedaka is irrelevant here.
Stop Hacking a Chynik with "He Gives So Much Tzedaka" to justify whatever other "ISSUES" are involved here because Tzedaka or no Tzedaka makes absolutely no difference, at all, whatsoever here.
If someone is wrong he is wrong regardless of Tzedaka or no Tzedaka.
It has ZERO to do with guilt or innocence and is 100% pure nonsense to say someone is "innocent", of a totally unrelated matter, just because "he gave lots of Tzedaka".
Obama promises to give a lot of Tzedaka too, of food stamps and section 8, so just because of that, he is no longer a Muslim?
All those who keep HAKIN with the "how much chesed" etc etc that is good for a "HESPED" Leachar Meah V'Esrim or to Red a Shiddach for the family.
But in reality down to earth, if someone is guilty or innocent of an unrelated "ISSUE", his Tzedaka or no Tzedaka, is 100% irrelevant.
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Nov 04, 2008 at 10:04 PM Eliyahu Says:
A Goy is not a Baal Bechira and if a Goy gives a sentence of 16 Months it is the same as G-d himself had sentenced him to 16 months.
Is G-d wrong Chas Vesholom?
G-d doesn't give anyone anything unless he deserved it 100%
We need to make up our mind if we REALLY believe in G-d or we just say so "for the record" but inside we feel "it's wrong" what G-d did here, Chas Vesholom.
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Nov 04, 2008 at 10:26 PM Anonymous Says:
Why is it that all of us Jews who are mortified and humiliated by the behavior of the Rubashkin family are called "HATERS"
Are we not entitled to be upset that a frum family has brought such shame on klall Yisroel?
When we are ashamed of our children's behavior, or other loved ones' behavior, everyone understands. No one doubts that we love our relative, but are upset and maybe angry as his/her behavior. When a person who is close to us brings ahame on us that is how we feel.
The Rubashkins are one of us. We DO LOVE THEM! But, that does not mean we ignore their horrible behavior. That does not mean we live in a fairy-tale denial regarding their actions. That we love our fellow Yidden does mean we can't express our anger, disgust and embarrassment at what they do.
Every time ANY crime is reported as being perpretrated by a Jew, it is a major Chillul Hashem, and it angers all Jews. It angers us, it embarrassed us, IT HURTS US.
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Nov 04, 2008 at 10:31 PM Anonymous Says:
Being a baal tzdaka does not excuse criminal activities. It is funny, if someone here is accused of molesting a child, chas v'sholom, no one excuses his behavior by the amount of tzedaka he/she gives, nor the chesed he/she does. We are horrified that a fellow Jew brought shame on us all by done something vial and disgusting.
These activities are also vial and disgusting in that fact that they are crimes and bring shame on the Jewish People.
Let us not excuse their actions just because they may be baalai chesed. One thing has nothing to do with the other.
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Nov 04, 2008 at 10:36 PM Anonymous Says:
There's no question that Moshe Rubashkin is a baal chesed beyond the usual. however, it is a disgrace that he holds any kind of "office" & to be a spokesman for Crown Heights has always been a joke. He should never have been elected...no, he should never have RUN. That's the height of arrogance. The man was already in jail for other things, but he was not only allowed to run for the Vaad but the morons elected him!
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Nov 04, 2008 at 10:56 PM Anonymous Says:
The real issue is those who justify tzedkah based on the profits of criminlas.
This Moshe's second felony conviction.
If he would have been indicted on all of the possible charges he cold have been sentenced to 20 years.
Anyone care to explain 2 fires of unknown origin?
Anyone care to explain lieing to investigators?
anyone care to explain the high price of kosher meat?The non kosher part of a cow is sold at a nice profit to the non kosher consumers. But we get to pay much more.
Anyone care to explain the attempt to close down kosher butchers by supplying other butchers at meat below cost in an attempt to control the market?
Anyone care to explain the writing of 1.2 million in bad checks?
Anyone care to explain the diversion of monies loaned to a buissness being diverted to personal accounts?
( All documented in court filings.)
I guess all that tzedakah came from over priced meat, diverted funds etc.
Perhaps people should be asking where does the tzedakah come from?
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Nov 04, 2008 at 11:00 PM Anonymous Says:
“ A Goy is not a Baal Bechira and if a Goy gives a sentence of 16 Months it is the same as G-d himself had sentenced him to 16 months.
Is G-d wrong Chas Vesholom?
G-d doesn't give anyone anything unless he deserved it 100%
We need to make up our mind if we REALLY believe in G-d or we just say so "for the record" but inside we feel "it's wrong" what G-d did here, Chas Vesholom.
”
Can you please cite a source for the concept of gentiles not being ba'alai bechira?
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Nov 04, 2008 at 11:31 PM mind your own business Says:
Why does everyone feel compelled to talk about everyone else? "Loshon Hora lamed hey you belong in --"
How about some introspection instead of scrutinizing other people. Look to see where you can improve yourself, even if it doesn't have to do with the law (and post THAT on the website :-)
I think we'll bring moshiach a lot quicker that way.
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Nov 04, 2008 at 11:23 PM Anonymous Says:
to #51:
if we really DO love them, what about the comcept that blood is thicker than water? if it was your brother/uncle/ parent/ cousin, etc, u would defiantely be on their side, no ?
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Nov 04, 2008 at 11:16 PM allyouselfritghous Says:
“ Comment # 18 was right when at the end of his long drasha he says: IT'S A KLALA
There is indeed a Cherem and KLALA by Rav Hei Gaon, Rabeinu Tam and 150 Rabbonim including the Chasam Sofer and many others, against anyone who Forces Himself (his dictatorship) Al Hatzibur.
”
i used to think that all the people that clamor against minor violations that others do
are very moral people. than I met Elliot Spitzer now I know the opposite is true
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Nov 04, 2008 at 11:40 PM Milhouse Says:
“ For all you people who are so proud of the Chesed, I agree that I am proud of the Chesed too, but one thing has nothing to do with the other.
If someone does Chesed, so now he can do all other averos, just because he gives more Tzedaka than anyone else?
That is Utterly Insane.
Tzedaka or no Tzedaka is irrelevant here.
Stop Hacking a Chynik with "He Gives So Much Tzedaka" to justify whatever other "ISSUES" are involved here because Tzedaka or no Tzedaka makes absolutely no difference, at all, whatsoever here.
If someone is wrong he is wrong regardless of Tzedaka or no Tzedaka.
It has ZERO to do with guilt or innocence and is 100% pure nonsense to say someone is "innocent", of a totally unrelated matter, just because "he gave lots of Tzedaka".
Obama promises to give a lot of Tzedaka too, of food stamps and section 8, so just because of that, he is no longer a Muslim?
All those who keep HAKIN with the "how much chesed" etc etc that is good for a "HESPED" Leachar Meah V'Esrim or to Red a Shiddach for the family.
But in reality down to earth, if someone is guilty or innocent of an unrelated "ISSUE", his Tzedaka or no Tzedaka, is 100% irrelevant. ”
Fine. Now tell me what avera he did. I'm not aware of any.
Commenters above are calling him a thief, talking about giving tzedaka with stolen money, tell me: From whom did he steal? Whom did he cheat? Whom has he hurt? He broke some EPA regulation - so what? Why should this affect our estimation of him? In which se'if of shulchan aruch does it say what one may store in his own warehouse, or whom one may employ?
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Nov 05, 2008 at 12:24 AM Anonymous Says:
“ just remember if somebody is a Bal CHESED or a BIG BAL TZEDUKAH that in itself is not on excuse for Violating the laws that this country has been founded on.
that is our problem we exuse a wrong with a right while they have nothing to do with each other & now can you imagine somebody passing a red light & getting into on accident or driving while intoxicated & will have him excused because he or she is a big BAL TZEDUKAH OR BETTER YET A BIG TALMID CHACHIM & no i dont hate anybody at all, it does not make a differene what thier names are or which community they live, but we have to stop excusing law breakers for what they do because they do great good deeds. while one has nothing to do with the other ”
You are 100 percent correct. However there are lawbreakers and law breakers. How many people stand in the middle of the street looking at something or talking to someone. That is illegal -it is a moving violation. I think holding dyes or something w/o correct permit aint the end of the world.
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Nov 05, 2008 at 05:38 AM Anonymous Says:
milhouse said -
Fine. Now tell me what avera he did. I'm not aware of any.
Commenters above are calling him a thief, talking about giving tzedaka with stolen money, tell me: From whom did he steal? Whom did he cheat? Whom has he hurt? He broke some EPA regulation - so what? Why should this affect our estimation of him? In which se'if of shulchan aruch does it say what one may store in his own warehouse, or whom one may employ?
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Are you for real? You have no brains in your head?
He pleaded guilty. This is his second felony conviction. This is the best that you've got? A FELON IN CHARGE OF YOUR MONEY??
His son pleaded guilty to lying to a federal grand jury. He lied when asked - who owns that warehouse. Like father, like son, Where did they learn to lie from???
You want him to be in charge of the chk?
WHY HAVEN'T THE MASHGICHIM BEEN PAID IN 6 MONTHS??? ESPECIALLY SINCE THE COMPANIES THAT GET THEIR HASHGACHA ARE ALREADY PAID UP!!!
WHERE DID THE MONEY GO??????
YOU WANT CONFIRMATION - ASK RABBI LEVERTOV
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Nov 05, 2008 at 05:16 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Fine. Now tell me what avera he did. I'm not aware of any.
Commenters above are calling him a thief, talking about giving tzedaka with stolen money, tell me: From whom did he steal? Whom did he cheat? Whom has he hurt? He broke some EPA regulation - so what? Why should this affect our estimation of him? In which se'if of shulchan aruch does it say what one may store in his own warehouse, or whom one may employ? ”
If that is your mentality - big deal, it's only the government - then YOU are the problem as well.
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Nov 05, 2008 at 02:28 AM Shauly Says:
Millhouse,
Just curious if you've become the official p.r guy for the Rubashkins? You are always giving us your narishe 2 cents.What gives?
"Friends" like you are toxic.
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Nov 05, 2008 at 02:13 AM matzahlocal101 Says:
“ Moshe is in jail because he did somehing very bad
Agri is closed because the owners lied to the government.
Why are yo