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Bnei Brak, Israel - Rabbi Kanievsky Compares Obama To 'Hordus' Who Rebuilt The 'Beis Hamikdosh' |
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Nov 05, 2008 at 11:13 PM
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Rabbi Chaim Kanievsky (Hebrew: חיים ×§× ×™×™×‘×¡×§×™â€Ž, born January 8, 1928) is a world-renowned Charedi rabbi and posek living in Bnei Brak, Israel.
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In an apparent response to requests for guidance regarding the issue, Rabbi Kanievsky compared Sen. Obama to King Hordus, who rose from humble origins to become king of ancient Israel and build the Beis Hamikdash.
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Nov 05, 2008 at 11:19 PM Anonymous Says:
Unfortunatrly Hordus commited many atrocities, before he bahan doing some good. So I hope he is not like hordus (Herod)
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Nov 05, 2008 at 11:20 PM talmud Says:
something is missing to this story, i can't accept this as repoted, it doesn't make any sense.
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Nov 05, 2008 at 11:18 PM NOCLUE Says:
HORDUS FIRST KILLED THE CHAHCHAMIM BEFORE HE BUILTTHE BEIS HAMIKDASH WHICH ONLY LASTED A SHORT TIME THEREAFTER.
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Nov 05, 2008 at 11:40 PM Confused Says:
Umm...is that a good thing as Hordus rebuilt the Beis Hamikdash or is that a bad thing because he slaughtered many people beforehand?
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Nov 05, 2008 at 11:38 PM ex frummie Says:
"With anxiety and uncertainly roiling some in the international frum Jewish community at the recent election of Barack Obama as America's first black president"
Oh please you make it sound like all of us are freaking out that a black guy was elected ..................not all of us are reactionist kooks (although unfortunately a lot of us seem a tad racist )
My point is the yeshiva hockers should go back to their gemaras and calm down -you make us all look braindead
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Nov 05, 2008 at 11:46 PM tipish Says:
He may have been referring to what the Gemara says about Hordus, "eved ki yimloch....."
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Nov 05, 2008 at 11:49 PM Anonymous Says:
“ "With anxiety and uncertainly roiling some in the international frum Jewish community at the recent election of Barack Obama as America's first black president"
Oh please you make it sound like all of us are freaking out that a black guy was elected ..................not all of us are reactionist kooks (although unfortunately a lot of us seem a tad racist )
My point is the yeshiva hockers should go back to their gemaras and calm down -you make us all look braindead ”
Hello it has nothing to do about his race it has to do with his socialist policies & every WORKING man should freak out but the kollel yungerleit need not to worry they will get the redistributed wealth
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Nov 06, 2008 at 12:07 AM american Says:
Well the point I guess rabbi made is that this man was comng from slavery and woke up one day that he wants to be presdent and in no time he got where he is now this seems like a miracle
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Nov 06, 2008 at 02:58 AM Anonymous Says:
“ "With anxiety and uncertainly roiling some in the international frum Jewish community at the recent election of Barack Obama as America's first black president"
Oh please you make it sound like all of us are freaking out that a black guy was elected ..................not all of us are reactionist kooks (although unfortunately a lot of us seem a tad racist )
My point is the yeshiva hockers should go back to their gemaras and calm down -you make us all look braindead ”
I am sick of people connecting the concerns surrounding Barack Obama to racism. I am a "yeshiva hocker" and I have friends who are black people. There is nothing wrong with them. I judge black, white, hispanics, mexicans, jews......you get the picture the same...........based on character. It's interesting you use the term "braindead," and the yeshiva hockers are making us look that way. On national television one of the major newscasters today call over 75% of American Jewry braindead for voting democrat and not investigating the dangers connected with him. My dislike of Obama merely has to do with his anti-Semitic connections such as Wright, Malley, Ayers, Khalidi, Power, Farakhan, Jackson, Sharpton, Biden, Carter, Kenyan president, Saudi Arabian president. If the guy was Jewish I would stay far away from him
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Nov 06, 2008 at 02:34 AM Gemorah Learner Says:
“ "With anxiety and uncertainly roiling some in the international frum Jewish community at the recent election of Barack Obama as America's first black president"
Oh please you make it sound like all of us are freaking out that a black guy was elected ..................not all of us are reactionist kooks (although unfortunately a lot of us seem a tad racist )
My point is the yeshiva hockers should go back to their gemaras and calm down -you make us all look braindead ”
BRAINDEAD??? why join the learners and learn as much Torah as you can dont be shy. why dont you calm down? have a calm day brother.
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Nov 06, 2008 at 02:32 AM Menachem Porush Says:
“ Well the point I guess rabbi made is that this man was comng from slavery and woke up one day that he wants to be presdent and in no time he got where he is now this seems like a miracle ”
and if he can do it you can finish the Shas
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Nov 06, 2008 at 01:30 AM Anonymous Says:
“ "With anxiety and uncertainly roiling some in the international frum Jewish community at the recent election of Barack Obama as America's first black president"
Oh please you make it sound like all of us are freaking out that a black guy was elected ..................not all of us are reactionist kooks (although unfortunately a lot of us seem a tad racist )
My point is the yeshiva hockers should go back to their gemaras and calm down -you make us all look braindead ”
Fascinating the delusions we harbor when faced with a challenge especially one in which our biased media kept any information that would impinge on their choice of candidate - Barack Hussein Obama (of the three Arab names)from the public!
The issue over his being "Black" misdirects thinking from what is important. Its his ideological roots, Socialist, associations and relationships with radicals, Jew-haters, America-haters and a campaign financed in large measure by Islamic sources again kept from public scrutiny such as Syria and Saudi Arabia.
A president of America with such tainted history and financial backers represents a challenge indeed.
For my purposes, is he good for the Jews?
To weigh in you need information much of it kept from public view ensuring a president of America whose criteria, character, associates, friends and ideology are imperatives essential for intelligent decision-making - and voting!
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Nov 06, 2008 at 12:55 AM FVNMS Says:
this has got to be misquoted. r' chaim kanievsky shlita exists in so many more dimensions than we know exist, it is not likely he would have said this as its being reported. humble origins? yup, son of diplomat ivy league law school... please omg why are we so pathetic...
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Nov 06, 2008 at 12:38 AM shmiel glassman Says:
there will be a clarification as to what reb chaim shlita said; possibly meant to say that his rise to president was so " lemaalah miderech hateva" & that it will turn out good bezh "vchol maaminim .. shehu levado manhig lechol haberuim..
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Nov 06, 2008 at 12:24 AM RobRoy560 Says:
“ Hello it has nothing to do about his race it has to do with his socialist policies & every WORKING man should freak out but the kollel yungerleit need not to worry they will get the redistributed wealth ”
So true... those of us working need to pay attention to every move. These guys may try to slip something in while we are not looking.
Those of you in the kollel or milking the system, BHO made it easier on your parents and in-laws.
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Nov 06, 2008 at 12:15 AM moshe Says:
Who is intrested what Rabbi Kanievsky says ?
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Nov 06, 2008 at 12:12 AM Gemorah Says:
he only left baba ben buta and he poked his eyes out...
killed the whole family of chashmonoim, and saved the girl in honey
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Nov 06, 2008 at 12:09 AM Misnaged Says:
who is he to tell us anything about Obama what does he know allready
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Nov 06, 2008 at 12:01 AM this story is hooey Says:
this story is so not true. hordus, or herod, was no commoner, and i think a gadol batorah like rav chaim kanievsky would know that! he came from very well connected parents in the roman aristocracy. he was no light weight like obama, and had actual governing experience before becoming a king. he was governor first of the galil (galilee) and the sanhedrin despised him. (so did the christians for that matter, as he was considered a murderer of the innocent. maybe that is where they share similarity, as he is for killing innocent babies born from botched abortions.) i guess like herod, obama will buy the people with public projects. the only difference is , here in this country, the people pay for it, not the romans!
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Nov 06, 2008 at 06:00 AM Rachamim Says:
The Arabs and the Muslims voted for Obama, as did 8 in 10 Jews. Considering that the President has a lot to do with whether or not Israel remains an American ally, who was crazy?
The real question is who cared the most about Eretz Yisroel.
The Jews didn’t mind that Obama belonged to a church which honored Louis Farakhan. The Jews didn’t mind Obama’s 20-year relationship with his mentor Reverend Jeremiah Wright, an anti Semite like Farakhan. The Jews didn’t mind that Obama’s church sympathized with Hamas, including Hamas literature in the church bulletins. The Jews didn’t mind that Obama’s friends included Rashid Khalidi, an anti-Semite from the PLO, nor did they lose any sleep that Obama’s buddies included a Syrian born gangster, Tony Rezko, presently convicted for racketeering in Chicago. Heck, let’s all join the party. Who raised Obama's $600 million? Clue: Not Hadassah.
8 in 10 American Jews spurned John McCain, a man with a long, unimpeachable record of supporting Israel, a man who repeatedly pledged that he would never permit a Second Holocaust.
If a white Republican party presidential candidate had belonged to a church which honored anti-black racists, the Jews, and the Democrats, and the New York Times, would have never dropped the subject.
The breadth and common-placeness of the double standard is both breathtaking and ominous.
What does this mean? It means that the Jews in America, as an ethnic group, have lost what little influence they may have had in American politics. Those who wish Jews ill always claim that Jews control the government. The fact is Jewish influence has been modest.
Now it is eviscerated, courtesy of Jewish spinelessness and lack of gratitude to gentile friends who have shown graciousness towards Jews and concern for the Jews in Israel.
The Jews in America have shown themselves to be without a clue about who they are and incapable of distinguishing between friend and deadly foe. The fact that Obama will surround himself with Jewish advisers is not meaningful. The advisers derive their power from Obama, not the other way around.
When Obama begins to suffocate Israel in a year, or two, or three, his Jewish acolytes will be there to explain how wonderful it all is.
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Nov 06, 2008 at 06:49 AM Facts Says:
“ this story is so not true. hordus, or herod, was no commoner, and i think a gadol batorah like rav chaim kanievsky would know that! he came from very well connected parents in the roman aristocracy. he was no light weight like obama, and had actual governing experience before becoming a king. he was governor first of the galil (galilee) and the sanhedrin despised him. (so did the christians for that matter, as he was considered a murderer of the innocent. maybe that is where they share similarity, as he is for killing innocent babies born from botched abortions.) i guess like herod, obama will buy the people with public projects. the only difference is , here in this country, the people pay for it, not the romans! ”
Re #19
Christianity was not on the scene to much later --- however, Herod was a ruler very much in line with other leaders of the time --- cruel , wicked and money grabbing.
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Nov 06, 2008 at 06:48 AM yiddishe bubby Says:
“ "With anxiety and uncertainly roiling some in the international frum Jewish community at the recent election of Barack Obama as America's first black president"
Oh please you make it sound like all of us are freaking out that a black guy was elected ..................not all of us are reactionist kooks (although unfortunately a lot of us seem a tad racist )
My point is the yeshiva hockers should go back to their gemaras and calm down -you make us all look braindead ”
yes, those of you who voted for this rosha are brainheaded.
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Nov 06, 2008 at 07:09 AM Anonymous Says:
How can anyone attack Maran Rav Kanievsky???? He's a Godol Hador.
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Nov 06, 2008 at 07:05 AM murray Says:
How many more -500 stock market days will it take to change this "there's nothing to worry about" to "be very worried" ?
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Nov 06, 2008 at 08:19 AM asap Says:
may the rav's words take in affect asap
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Nov 06, 2008 at 08:34 AM Anonymous Says:
“ and if he can do it you can finish the Shas ”
Sad to say most kollel yungeleit don't finish shas. Who says your tafkid is to finish shas? Your tafkid is to sit in learn as much as possible
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Nov 06, 2008 at 09:21 AM Anonymous Says:
“ The Arabs and the Muslims voted for Obama, as did 8 in 10 Jews. Considering that the President has a lot to do with whether or not Israel remains an American ally, who was crazy?
The real question is who cared the most about Eretz Yisroel.
The Jews didn’t mind that Obama belonged to a church which honored Louis Farakhan. The Jews didn’t mind Obama’s 20-year relationship with his mentor Reverend Jeremiah Wright, an anti Semite like Farakhan. The Jews didn’t mind that Obama’s church sympathized with Hamas, including Hamas literature in the church bulletins. The Jews didn’t mind that Obama’s friends included Rashid Khalidi, an anti-Semite from the PLO, nor did they lose any sleep that Obama’s buddies included a Syrian born gangster, Tony Rezko, presently convicted for racketeering in Chicago. Heck, let’s all join the party. Who raised Obama's $600 million? Clue: Not Hadassah.
8 in 10 American Jews spurned John McCain, a man with a long, unimpeachable record of supporting Israel, a man who repeatedly pledged that he would never permit a Second Holocaust.
If a white Republican party presidential candidate had belonged to a church which honored anti-black racists, the Jews, and the Democrats, and the New York Times, would have never dropped the subject.
The breadth and common-placeness of the double standard is both breathtaking and ominous.
What does this mean? It means that the Jews in America, as an ethnic group, have lost what little influence they may have had in American politics. Those who wish Jews ill always claim that Jews control the government. The fact is Jewish influence has been modest.
Now it is eviscerated, courtesy of Jewish spinelessness and lack of gratitude to gentile friends who have shown graciousness towards Jews and concern for the Jews in Israel.
The Jews in America have shown themselves to be without a clue about who they are and incapable of distinguishing between friend and deadly foe. The fact that Obama will surround himself with Jewish advisers is not meaningful. The advisers derive their power from Obama, not the other way around.
When Obama begins to suffocate Israel in a year, or two, or three, his Jewish acolytes will be there to explain how wonderful it all is. ”
Couldn't have said it better. Hear hear...
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Nov 06, 2008 at 09:02 AM American Rabbi Says:
“ The Arabs and the Muslims voted for Obama, as did 8 in 10 Jews. Considering that the President has a lot to do with whether or not Israel remains an American ally, who was crazy?
The real question is who cared the most about Eretz Yisroel.
The Jews didn’t mind that Obama belonged to a church which honored Louis Farakhan. The Jews didn’t mind Obama’s 20-year relationship with his mentor Reverend Jeremiah Wright, an anti Semite like Farakhan. The Jews didn’t mind that Obama’s church sympathized with Hamas, including Hamas literature in the church bulletins. The Jews didn’t mind that Obama’s friends included Rashid Khalidi, an anti-Semite from the PLO, nor did they lose any sleep that Obama’s buddies included a Syrian born gangster, Tony Rezko, presently convicted for racketeering in Chicago. Heck, let’s all join the party. Who raised Obama's $600 million? Clue: Not Hadassah.
8 in 10 American Jews spurned John McCain, a man with a long, unimpeachable record of supporting Israel, a man who repeatedly pledged that he would never permit a Second Holocaust.
If a white Republican party presidential candidate had belonged to a church which honored anti-black racists, the Jews, and the Democrats, and the New York Times, would have never dropped the subject.
The breadth and common-placeness of the double standard is both breathtaking and ominous.
What does this mean? It means that the Jews in America, as an ethnic group, have lost what little influence they may have had in American politics. Those who wish Jews ill always claim that Jews control the government. The fact is Jewish influence has been modest.
Now it is eviscerated, courtesy of Jewish spinelessness and lack of gratitude to gentile friends who have shown graciousness towards Jews and concern for the Jews in Israel.
The Jews in America have shown themselves to be without a clue about who they are and incapable of distinguishing between friend and deadly foe. The fact that Obama will surround himself with Jewish advisers is not meaningful. The advisers derive their power from Obama, not the other way around.
When Obama begins to suffocate Israel in a year, or two, or three, his Jewish acolytes will be there to explain how wonderful it all is. ”
Your points are well taken and you write very eloquently. I also voted for and supported John McCain. But I disagree that Obama will go after Israel. Obama is first and foremost a politician. He realizes that it was Jewish brains and Jewish money that got him where he is today. Also if he does assume power he will be privy to confidential information about the strong alliance between Israel and the USA.
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Nov 06, 2008 at 09:00 AM Anonymous Says:
Nice of this Rav to put a haskama on Obama. But why does it matter?
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Nov 06, 2008 at 09:40 AM Villiamsburger - To The Point Says:
# 2 - I can't agree with you more.
#16 - you are obviously IGNORANT. (you'll do much better in life by keeping your foolish comments to yourself)
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Nov 06, 2008 at 10:06 AM Kovod Hatorah Says:
To Poster #16 and #18
moshe Says: Who is intrested what Rabbi Kanievsky says ?
Misnaged Says: who is he to tell us anything about Obama what does he know allready
You are michutzofim of the highest degree. How dare you speak against a godol hador? You are lower than an ant compared to him. I dont envy your lot.
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Nov 06, 2008 at 10:04 AM shmaya Says:
im a lubavitcher chossid and i dont know how true it is what people say what rav chaim said but i personaly met rav chaim and he is huge tzadik he learns all shas every year and i heard personal stories from rav chaim that he gave big brochos and they were reveled and i would just like to say who ever knows rav chaim he only writes few words and thats it so i would like to see on paper from what the rav said
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Nov 06, 2008 at 10:13 AM DumDum Says:
If I vote against Obama because he's black, I'm a racist. But if millions of blacks voted for him for the same reason, they are not racist???
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Nov 06, 2008 at 10:26 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Nice of this Rav to put a haskama on Obama. But why does it matter? ”
Even sichas chulin of great talmidai chachomim matter.
Why it matters does not matter.
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Nov 06, 2008 at 11:01 AM Anonymous Says:
“ who is he to tell us anything about Obama what does he know allready ”
why would yuo say such a thing about a godol ha dor - I am Lubavitcher and I would never say such a thing about any rebbe whatsoever. You name is misnagid and so I guess that you dont have a rebbe in the sense that I do but there must be someone you admirre - would you want someone to say something about them?
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Nov 06, 2008 at 11:04 AM Big Masmid Says:
“ Nice of this Rav to put a haskama on Obama. But why does it matter? ”
It matters because we have to know whats Das Torah if we dont have "Das Torah" our lives are not even worth an onion.
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Nov 06, 2008 at 11:04 AM Anonymous Says:
“ The Arabs and the Muslims voted for Obama, as did 8 in 10 Jews. Considering that the President has a lot to do with whether or not Israel remains an American ally, who was crazy?
The real question is who cared the most about Eretz Yisroel.
The Jews didn’t mind that Obama belonged to a church which honored Louis Farakhan. The Jews didn’t mind Obama’s 20-year relationship with his mentor Reverend Jeremiah Wright, an anti Semite like Farakhan. The Jews didn’t mind that Obama’s church sympathized with Hamas, including Hamas literature in the church bulletins. The Jews didn’t mind that Obama’s friends included Rashid Khalidi, an anti-Semite from the PLO, nor did they lose any sleep that Obama’s buddies included a Syrian born gangster, Tony Rezko, presently convicted for racketeering in Chicago. Heck, let’s all join the party. Who raised Obama's $600 million? Clue: Not Hadassah.
8 in 10 American Jews spurned John McCain, a man with a long, unimpeachable record of supporting Israel, a man who repeatedly pledged that he would never permit a Second Holocaust.
If a white Republican party presidential candidate had belonged to a church which honored anti-black racists, the Jews, and the Democrats, and the New York Times, would have never dropped the subject.
The breadth and common-placeness of the double standard is both breathtaking and ominous.
What does this mean? It means that the Jews in America, as an ethnic group, have lost what little influence they may have had in American politics. Those who wish Jews ill always claim that Jews control the government. The fact is Jewish influence has been modest.
Now it is eviscerated, courtesy of Jewish spinelessness and lack of gratitude to gentile friends who have shown graciousness towards Jews and concern for the Jews in Israel.
The Jews in America have shown themselves to be without a clue about who they are and incapable of distinguishing between friend and deadly foe. The fact that Obama will surround himself with Jewish advisers is not meaningful. The advisers derive their power from Obama, not the other way around.
When Obama begins to suffocate Israel in a year, or two, or three, his Jewish acolytes will be there to explain how wonderful it all is. ”
You are absolutely right. We can only hope (since he IS our president) tnhat he asociated with these people only to get elected and will in reality be a more moderate. If, on the other hand, he does believe as his friends do - we are up the river with out a paddle. good luck and only Hashem will be able to save Israel. Dont forget 1948 - 1967 etc. When Hashem has a plan nothing can interfere. If Obama won then it is in Hashems plan as well. Dont lose hope.
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Nov 06, 2008 at 11:11 AM Don't Get Carried Away- Masmid says Says:
“ Nice of this Rav to put a haskama on Obama. But why does it matter? ”
Don't Get Carried Away, stop honking your horns. lets understand that there are some people who have never heard of Moron Reb. Chaim Shlita instead of losing your cool and blasting them please explain them who Reb. Chaim is so it will help them understand why when a Godol Hador takes out a moment of his pressure time and says something about the new elected Pres. it's important to spread his holy words around the world and give us Chizuk......
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Nov 06, 2008 at 11:17 AM Anonymous Says:
“ The Arabs and the Muslims voted for Obama, as did 8 in 10 Jews. Considering that the President has a lot to do with whether or not Israel remains an American ally, who was crazy?
The real question is who cared the most about Eretz Yisroel.
The Jews didn’t mind that Obama belonged to a church which honored Louis Farakhan. The Jews didn’t mind Obama’s 20-year relationship with his mentor Reverend Jeremiah Wright, an anti Semite like Farakhan. The Jews didn’t mind that Obama’s church sympathized with Hamas, including Hamas literature in the church bulletins. The Jews didn’t mind that Obama’s friends included Rashid Khalidi, an anti-Semite from the PLO, nor did they lose any sleep that Obama’s buddies included a Syrian born gangster, Tony Rezko, presently convicted for racketeering in Chicago. Heck, let’s all join the party. Who raised Obama's $600 million? Clue: Not Hadassah.
8 in 10 American Jews spurned John McCain, a man with a long, unimpeachable record of supporting Israel, a man who repeatedly pledged that he would never permit a Second Holocaust.
If a white Republican party presidential candidate had belonged to a church which honored anti-black racists, the Jews, and the Democrats, and the New York Times, would have never dropped the subject.
The breadth and common-placeness of the double standard is both breathtaking and ominous.
What does this mean? It means that the Jews in America, as an ethnic group, have lost what little influence they may have had in American politics. Those who wish Jews ill always claim that Jews control the government. The fact is Jewish influence has been modest.
Now it is eviscerated, courtesy of Jewish spinelessness and lack of gratitude to gentile friends who have shown graciousness towards Jews and concern for the Jews in Israel.
The Jews in America have shown themselves to be without a clue about who they are and incapable of distinguishing between friend and deadly foe. The fact that Obama will surround himself with Jewish advisers is not meaningful. The advisers derive their power from Obama, not the other way around.
When Obama begins to suffocate Israel in a year, or two, or three, his Jewish acolytes will be there to explain how wonderful it all is. ”
first of all your head is deep in the sand buddy......... i would like to know which people were actually asked for those idiotic polls....... the majority of Orthodox jews definitely voted for McCain the liberal jews voted for obama which in essence arent really jews so before u start bashing get ur facts straight
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Nov 06, 2008 at 12:07 PM Anonymous Says:
“ "With anxiety and uncertainly roiling some in the international frum Jewish community at the recent election of Barack Obama as America's first black president"
Oh please you make it sound like all of us are freaking out that a black guy was elected ..................not all of us are reactionist kooks (although unfortunately a lot of us seem a tad racist )
My point is the yeshiva hockers should go back to their gemaras and calm down -you make us all look braindead ”
Actually the yeshiva hockers should rejoice because with solid Dem majorities, the programs that sustain the yeshivishe jungerleit are safe -- Medicaid, S-CHIP, food stamps, HUD, etc.
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Nov 06, 2008 at 12:36 PM Anonymous Says:
to NOCLUE the beis hamikdash stood for almost 100 years after hordus renovated it
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Nov 06, 2008 at 12:46 PM Askipeh Hanidrases Says:
“ who is he to tell us anything about Obama what does he know allready ”
The mahigei Yisroel are called "einei hoeidah", they not only KNOW but can SEE what you can't. Where does someone take such chutzpah to try to be mevazeh a Gadol beYisroel? I say "try", because you actually wasn't mevazeh him, instead you were mevazeh yourself as someone who knows nothing. A misnaged indeed.
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Nov 06, 2008 at 12:53 PM Worried Says:
In the meantime the Republicans have so messed up the world. They have sunk into an endless war in Iraq while letting the Iranians build the biggest threat to Jews since Hitler without lifting a finger to stop them. I fear that the US has exhausted itself by total mismanagement
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Nov 06, 2008 at 01:04 PM Anonymous Says:
“ The mahigei Yisroel are called "einei hoeidah", they not only KNOW but can SEE what you can't. Where does someone take such chutzpah to try to be mevazeh a Gadol beYisroel? I say "try", because you actually wasn't mevazeh him, instead you were mevazeh yourself as someone who knows nothing. A misnaged indeed. ”
He's just looking for attention and he knows that attacking a talmid chochom is a great way to get some.
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Nov 06, 2008 at 01:24 PM Askipeh Hanidresas Says:
“ this story is so not true. hordus, or herod, was no commoner, and i think a gadol batorah like rav chaim kanievsky would know that! he came from very well connected parents in the roman aristocracy. he was no light weight like obama, and had actual governing experience before becoming a king. he was governor first of the galil (galilee) and the sanhedrin despised him. (so did the christians for that matter, as he was considered a murderer of the innocent. maybe that is where they share similarity, as he is for killing innocent babies born from botched abortions.) i guess like herod, obama will buy the people with public projects. the only difference is , here in this country, the people pay for it, not the romans! ”
Wrong, Hordus was a son of Antipater an eved, who was the chief of staff of Horkenes hamelech of the Chashmonoen. He was a lightweight as far as a person is concerned, no intellectual. The Sanhedrin were afraid to convict him of murder and in the end he murdered them. HaGoen Reb Chaim Kniavsky IS a heavy weight and a manhig Yisroel.
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Nov 06, 2008 at 01:56 PM Deepthinker Says:
Obama came from out of nowhere to become king.
This is obviously not normal.
Exciting times are on the way.--Stay tuned.
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Nov 06, 2008 at 02:37 PM Anonymous Says:
If a godol says something that dosent make sense we have to readjust our thinking becasue obviously the problem lies with us.
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Nov 06, 2008 at 02:36 PM Anonymous Says:
“ this story is so not true. hordus, or herod, was no commoner, and i think a gadol batorah like rav chaim kanievsky would know that! he came from very well connected parents in the roman aristocracy. he was no light weight like obama, and had actual governing experience before becoming a king. he was governor first of the galil (galilee) and the sanhedrin despised him. (so did the christians for that matter, as he was considered a murderer of the innocent. maybe that is where they share similarity, as he is for killing innocent babies born from botched abortions.) i guess like herod, obama will buy the people with public projects. the only difference is , here in this country, the people pay for it, not the romans! ”
WOW - you think you are smarter than a godol. I didnt think such arrogance existed. And to say it publicly, albiet anononmously, still amazing.
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Nov 06, 2008 at 02:34 PM Anonymous Says:
“ first of all your head is deep in the sand buddy......... i would like to know which people were actually asked for those idiotic polls....... the majority of Orthodox jews definitely voted for McCain the liberal jews voted for obama which in essence arent really jews so before u start bashing get ur facts straight ”
Liberal Jews arent Jews - Did I read correctly????
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Nov 06, 2008 at 02:52 PM Anonymous Says:
“ first of all your head is deep in the sand buddy......... i would like to know which people were actually asked for those idiotic polls....... the majority of Orthodox jews definitely voted for McCain the liberal jews voted for obama which in essence arent really jews so before u start bashing get ur facts straight ”
how do you say who is a jew? if someone was born a jew he is a jew forever! its just that his soul is coverd over allitle, and its everyones responsibility to take care of them.
just because he doesnt know anything, that doesnt make you any better, maybe his neshomo is closer to the eibershter than yours! just because you cant see it that doesnt mean he doesnt have one!!!!!
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Nov 06, 2008 at 04:44 PM Anonymous Says:
If Hashem himself would come down and say something good about Obama the people on this site would somehow find a way to twist things around, everybody here wants so much for him to fail.
But that could never happen since Hashem is obviously a republican.
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Nov 06, 2008 at 04:42 PM Yemos Olam Says:
“ How can anyone attack Maran Rav Kanievsky???? He's a Godol Hador. ”
No one is attacking him. We just wonder what happened to the Gemara Bava Basra 3b-4a.
Herod did not only kill all the Tannaim and blind Bava ben Buta. No big deal? Oh. He also killed all the Chashmonaim so he could get the throne, and he left one girl Miriam so he could claim the throne.
The Gemara doesn't tell you the rest of the story - he was installed as king by the legions sent by Emperor Augustus, and as a tribute to Rome he placed a golden Roman symbol, and eagle, at the entry of the Beis HaMikdash.
There is much much more (none of it good, in fact exceptionally ruthless) and it was documented by one of his followers - Josephus Flavius (Yosifun). (Sources: Codex Judaica by Rabbi Kantor).
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Nov 06, 2008 at 05:18 PM COMMON SENSE Says:
“ "With anxiety and uncertainly roiling some in the international frum Jewish community at the recent election of Barack Obama as America's first black president"
Oh please you make it sound like all of us are freaking out that a black guy was elected ..................not all of us are reactionist kooks (although unfortunately a lot of us seem a tad racist )
My point is the yeshiva hockers should go back to their gemaras and calm down -you make us all look braindead ”
Nobody that I know of is upset that a black man was elected president. People are upset that a man who was insensitive to his pastor's anti-Semitism and who has surrounded himself with anti-Israel types was elected president.
You, ex-Frummie, must come up with some false accusation in order to rationalize in your own mind why you an an ex-Frummie, since there is no reasonable explanation for it
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Nov 06, 2008 at 06:55 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Who is intrested what Rabbi Kanievsky says ? ”
Who is interested in what you have to say about "who's interested in .... whatever... that's certain! N shame on you!!!!! at least that much respect you can have to a true torah Sage!!!
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Nov 06, 2008 at 06:35 PM Litvak Says:
“ The mahigei Yisroel are called "einei hoeidah", they not only KNOW but can SEE what you can't. Where does someone take such chutzpah to try to be mevazeh a Gadol beYisroel? I say "try", because you actually wasn't mevazeh him, instead you were mevazeh yourself as someone who knows nothing. A misnaged indeed. ”
Those who start by being mivazeh "other" Gedolim, eventually begin to speak disparingly about ALL Gedolim.
I have seen Talmidim speak against Chabad Rebbe'im, and later they decend to mock Roshei Yeshivos, and then continue to spiral downward as they mock parts of Torah with which they "disagree".
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Nov 06, 2008 at 10:17 PM ex frummie Says:
“ Nobody that I know of is upset that a black man was elected president. People are upset that a man who was insensitive to his pastor's anti-Semitism and who has surrounded himself with anti-Israel types was elected president.
You, ex-Frummie, must come up with some false accusation in order to rationalize in your own mind why you an an ex-Frummie, since there is no reasonable explanation for it ”
Huh? I was quoting the article then saying exactly what you just said .........................you should change youre name to lack of -never mind
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Nov 06, 2008 at 11:15 PM Anonymous Says:
Wow if misnagdim critise him he must be a real tzaddik!
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Nov 07, 2008 at 10:11 AM GGK Says:
“ Unfortunatrly Hordus commited many atrocities, before he bahan doing some good. So I hope he is not like hordus (Herod) ”
Bush already took care of the atrocities. Now we can go straight to the rebuilding part.
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Nov 11, 2008 at 06:10 PM S. Borgel Says:
“ Well the point I guess rabbi made is that this man was comng from slavery and woke up one day that he wants to be presdent and in no time he got where he is now this seems like a miracle ”
"american Said: Well the point I guess rabbi made is that this man was comng from slavery and woke up one day that he wants to be presdent and in no time he got where he is now this seems like a miracle"
Obama didn't "come from slavery" neither did any of his black ancestors (as far as we know). His father was a foreign student from Kenya, not a descendant of slaves! In fact, not only is he not descendced from slaves, unlike most blacks in the US, he is descended from slaveowners. His white mother's ancestors owned slaves.
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Jun 16, 2009 at 11:50 AM dervish8 Says:
“ The Arabs and the Muslims voted for Obama, as did 8 in 10 Jews. Considering that the President has a lot to do with whether or not Israel remains an American ally, who was crazy?
The real question is who cared the most about Eretz Yisroel.
The Jews didn’t mind that Obama belonged to a church which honored Louis Farakhan. The Jews didn’t mind Obama’s 20-year relationship with his mentor Reverend Jeremiah Wright, an anti Semite like Farakhan. The Jews didn’t mind that Obama’s church sympathized with Hamas, including Hamas literature in the church bulletins. The Jews didn’t mind that Obama’s friends included Rashid Khalidi, an anti-Semite from the PLO, nor did they lose any sleep that Obama’s buddies included a Syrian born gangster, Tony Rezko, presently convicted for racketeering in Chicago. Heck, let’s all join the party. Who raised Obama's $600 million? Clue: Not Hadassah.
8 in 10 American Jews spurned John McCain, a man with a long, unimpeachable record of supporting Israel, a man who repeatedly pledged that he would never permit a Second Holocaust.
If a white Republican party presidential candidate had belonged to a church which honored anti-black racists, the Jews, and the Democrats, and the New York Times, would have never dropped the subject.
The breadth and common-placeness of the double standard is both breathtaking and ominous.
What does this mean? It means that the Jews in America, as an ethnic group, have lost what little influence they may have had in American politics. Those who wish Jews ill always claim that Jews control the government. The fact is Jewish influence has been modest.
Now it is eviscerated, courtesy of Jewish spinelessness and lack of gratitude to gentile friends who have shown graciousness towards Jews and concern for the Jews in Israel.
The Jews in America have shown themselves to be without a clue about who they are and incapable of distinguishing between friend and deadly foe. The fact that Obama will surround himself with Jewish advisers is not meaningful. The advisers derive their power from Obama, not the other way around.
When Obama begins to suffocate Israel in a year, or two, or three, his Jewish acolytes will be there to explain how wonderful it all is. ”
it only took four months for Obama to begin to suffocate Israel.
I am looking for guidance how to avoid the anger and hatred I feel for my American Jewish comunity for electing this soneh Yisrael.