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The rules now on the books say that a driver can park in a metered spot where the meter is missing for up to the maximum amount of time specified on the signs in that particular zone.
But when someone parks at a meter that is physically there, but is broken, the time limit is one hour, no matter what the sign says.
The rule was specifically designed to target those who park at broken meters believing they have the amount of time specified on the street sign to leave their cars there. They think they got lucky by being able to park for free, but if their car is parked more than one hour in front of the broken meter, there's a good chance they'll find a hefty summons on the windshield when they return.
It's clearly a devious scheme, but it produces a steady revenue stream for the city, which is probably why this double standard was created.
But Brooklyn Council member Simcha Felder want to change the rule, and Councilman John Liu, chairman of the Council's Transportation Committee, is joining him, "It's sheer obstinacy to perpetuate the broken meter rule when the rule does not deter vandals and yet penalizes law-abiding motorists. The real effect of the current rule is the issuance of thousands of costly parking tickets to drivers, who are incensed because they honestly thought they were following the rules," said Liu.
Felder that would end the broken-meter confusion by allowing motorists to park at a broken meter for the full length of time allowed in a given parking zone.
Mr. Liu says the change will make the regulations "more sensible and less unnecessarily punitive."
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Nov 06, 2008 at 12:06 PM Anonymous Says:
I dont get how you prove how long you are parked there. If a parking meter person walks by the car and sees it says fail, how do they decide to ticket or not. Unless they walk by at 1PM and then at 2PM they walk by again and see its still there ... but isn't that all hard to prove for both you and the ticket maid?
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Nov 06, 2008 at 12:25 PM Anonymous Says:
“ I dont get how you prove how long you are parked there. If a parking meter person walks by the car and sees it says fail, how do they decide to ticket or not. Unless they walk by at 1PM and then at 2PM they walk by again and see its still there ... but isn't that all hard to prove for both you and the ticket maid? ”
They give you the ticket immediatly.They dont care about the time, just meeting the ticket quota.We can thank Bloomie and his friend Simcha for that.
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Nov 06, 2008 at 12:16 PM Sheker Says:
The meter maids don't have to prove anything! They can right tickets for thing you didn't do, (e.g. they would put an address of illegal spot on the ticket even if your on kosher, legal spot and you will have to prove you were right.anyway)
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Nov 06, 2008 at 12:41 PM Barry Says:
Wow, It's bind boggling on how the city is out there to get you at every given time.
Well, I think it's time for a major clean up in City Hall and City Counsil
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Nov 06, 2008 at 12:50 PM Anonymous Says:
The law should also include a provision which requires the Ticketing Agent to include the "first time offense observed" which would be able to be refuted, if filled our inaccurately, by a car owner who brings some kind of proof that his car was not parked there at the first time the offense was observed.
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Nov 06, 2008 at 12:49 PM Anonymous Says:
“ I dont get how you prove how long you are parked there. If a parking meter person walks by the car and sees it says fail, how do they decide to ticket or not. Unless they walk by at 1PM and then at 2PM they walk by again and see its still there ... but isn't that all hard to prove for both you and the ticket maid? ”
A lot of times they rite the time on the tire with a pencil and later they come backto see if you are still there
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Nov 06, 2008 at 12:22 PM mark Says:
“ I dont get how you prove how long you are parked there. If a parking meter person walks by the car and sees it says fail, how do they decide to ticket or not. Unless they walk by at 1PM and then at 2PM they walk by again and see its still there ... but isn't that all hard to prove for both you and the ticket maid? ”
When they fix the broken meter they reset it and give you an hour time from when they fix it. So I always take the chance and park there unless it is in the morning and that is when they usually fix the meters in borough park area.
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Nov 06, 2008 at 12:20 PM Chaim S. Says:
In some places they put a chalk mark on your tire so they know what time you started at that meter.
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Nov 06, 2008 at 01:03 PM Mark Levin Says:
Wow Felder proposing something that makes sense!?!
Simple rule: Broken meter means PARK HERE but obey the posted signs in cases of alt side etc.
If this bothers the city, let them do a better job fixing broken meters.
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Nov 06, 2008 at 12:54 PM RobRoy560 Says:
“ Wow, It's bind boggling on how the city is out there to get you at every given time.
Well, I think it's time for a major clean up in City Hall and City Counsil ”
The city has no more money... follow the rules and stop trying to scam. Today they go after parking. Tomorrow they will crack down on the scams with non-profits, section 8, social services, etc.
You were warned.
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Nov 06, 2008 at 01:16 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Wow Felder proposing something that makes sense!?!
Simple rule: Broken meter means PARK HERE but obey the posted signs in cases of alt side etc.
If this bothers the city, let them do a better job fixing broken meters. ”
It's not his first one and I'm sure it won't be his last one.
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Nov 06, 2008 at 01:09 PM Anonymous Says:
“ I dont get how you prove how long you are parked there. If a parking meter person walks by the car and sees it says fail, how do they decide to ticket or not. Unless they walk by at 1PM and then at 2PM they walk by again and see its still there ... but isn't that all hard to prove for both you and the ticket maid? ”
They will scan your registration and then when they come back and see you are still parked they will scan it again and issue you the ticket.
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Nov 06, 2008 at 01:07 PM Take the PROFIT Out Of Crime Says:
Yes the city is using ticketing for profit.
to ask for a Law of Not ticketing anyone at all, ever will create total lawlessness.
To Ticket for Profit is the opposite to "Take Advantage" for profit.
The correct type of Bill which will solve the problem on both sides of the fence is to pass a law that any any and ALL Revenue collected from any and all Ticketing Summonses (for Parking or Moving violations or for Sanitation Tickets etc. etc.) must go 100% to Charity OUTSIDE THE CITY, for such matters where the city has absolutely no vested interest at all whatsoever.
The point is we must have Law Enforcement behave in a way where they have NO VESTED INTEREST and No Profit, in order to keep them HONEST.
When Police Arrest a Murderer or a Thief, they make no financial profit for the city.
When they go after motorists or sanitation it should be no different. We must TAKE THE PROFIT OUT OF CRIME of illegitimately targeted summonses.
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Nov 06, 2008 at 01:06 PM Anonymous Says:
Good job Felder for protecting us small people from the ticket blitz Mayor
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Nov 06, 2008 at 01:28 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Yes the city is using ticketing for profit.
to ask for a Law of Not ticketing anyone at all, ever will create total lawlessness.
To Ticket for Profit is the opposite to "Take Advantage" for profit.
The correct type of Bill which will solve the problem on both sides of the fence is to pass a law that any any and ALL Revenue collected from any and all Ticketing Summonses (for Parking or Moving violations or for Sanitation Tickets etc. etc.) must go 100% to Charity OUTSIDE THE CITY, for such matters where the city has absolutely no vested interest at all whatsoever.
The point is we must have Law Enforcement behave in a way where they have NO VESTED INTEREST and No Profit, in order to keep them HONEST.
When Police Arrest a Murderer or a Thief, they make no financial profit for the city.
When they go after motorists or sanitation it should be no different. We must TAKE THE PROFIT OUT OF CRIME of illegitimately targeted summonses.
”
Guys wake up!
The City has to make money to continue their services.
Ticket money should go to outside charity, No tax hikes, so from where is the City going to make money?
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Nov 06, 2008 at 02:30 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Guys wake up!
The City has to make money to continue their services.
Ticket money should go to outside charity, No tax hikes, so from where is the City going to make money? ”
Simple, let them reduce unnecessary services. Guiliani also had a deficit and corrected it without all these bloomberg taxes. If you cant take the heat you get out of the kitchen. What Gloomberg is doing is a no brainer tax and spend. A true leader would be able to come up with the funds without raising taxes. Who told him to invest in stupid waterfalls, parks, and brand new street lights when there was nothing wrong with the old one? If he really wants to be a sport let him cover the budget with his own money, he has plenty. Lets begin spreading the wealth starting with Gloomberg.
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Nov 06, 2008 at 03:20 PM chaim Says:
“ I dont get how you prove how long you are parked there. If a parking meter person walks by the car and sees it says fail, how do they decide to ticket or not. Unless they walk by at 1PM and then at 2PM they walk by again and see its still there ... but isn't that all hard to prove for both you and the ticket maid? ”
The meter-maids note the time they first see the vehicle and come back later. If the car is still in the spot they give a ticket. There is even a place on the ticket to put down all that info. Some of the more senior meter-maids mark your tire with a chalk line. This is so you can't say you moved your car and found the same place.
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Nov 06, 2008 at 02:58 PM Moishie Says:
Why does it take an hour for the police department to respond to motor vehicle accidents in this city, but only a few minutes to an expired meter? Aren't the police here to protect us? Accidents almost always create dangerous traffic conditions.
Yet they increase the authority of meter maids to issue summonses to motorists that enter into intersections that are snarled with traffic (Blocking the box) and remain in the intersection, but they don't allow them to respond to vehicular accidents. The city is more interested in training its officers to increase revenue for the city than it is in protecting its citizens.
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Nov 06, 2008 at 02:52 PM Anonymous Says:
PROTECT US? ON THE CONTRARY!!!!! 13TH AVENUE HAS A METER MAID ASSIGNED TO EACH BLOCK EAGER TO GIVE YOU A SERVING OF ATTITUDE AND FINES. THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND US DO NOT HAVE SUCH STRICT ENFORCEMENTS. WOW, WE GOT AN EXTRA HOUR AT THE BROKEN METER. SIMCHA GET US EQUALITY - EQUAL ENFORCEMENT FOR ALL.
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Nov 06, 2008 at 04:01 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Why does it take an hour for the police department to respond to motor vehicle accidents in this city, but only a few minutes to an expired meter? Aren't the police here to protect us? Accidents almost always create dangerous traffic conditions.
Yet they increase the authority of meter maids to issue summonses to motorists that enter into intersections that are snarled with traffic (Blocking the box) and remain in the intersection, but they don't allow them to respond to vehicular accidents. The city is more interested in training its officers to increase revenue for the city than it is in protecting its citizens. ”
Simcha Felder was against increasing the tickets for blocking the box.
Simcha is fighter for his community.
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Nov 06, 2008 at 03:59 PM Anonymous Says:
“ PROTECT US? ON THE CONTRARY!!!!! 13TH AVENUE HAS A METER MAID ASSIGNED TO EACH BLOCK EAGER TO GIVE YOU A SERVING OF ATTITUDE AND FINES. THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND US DO NOT HAVE SUCH STRICT ENFORCEMENTS. WOW, WE GOT AN EXTRA HOUR AT THE BROKEN METER. SIMCHA GET US EQUALITY - EQUAL ENFORCEMENT FOR ALL. ”
I'm looking out my window from my 2nd floor office on 13th Avenue and can't see a single traffic agent.
Don't know what you are talking about.
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Nov 06, 2008 at 03:57 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Why does it take an hour for the police department to respond to motor vehicle accidents in this city, but only a few minutes to an expired meter? Aren't the police here to protect us? Accidents almost always create dangerous traffic conditions.
Yet they increase the authority of meter maids to issue summonses to motorists that enter into intersections that are snarled with traffic (Blocking the box) and remain in the intersection, but they don't allow them to respond to vehicular accidents. The city is more interested in training its officers to increase revenue for the city than it is in protecting its citizens. ”
Meetermaids are not regular police officers. They don't respond to police calls. They have one job GIVE TICKETS.
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Nov 06, 2008 at 06:27 PM Anonymous Says:
looks like Felder is finally working for the people and tring to do things that help the community for a change
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Nov 06, 2008 at 07:26 PM Oy Gevald Says:
“ The meter-maids note the time they first see the vehicle and come back later. If the car is still in the spot they give a ticket. There is even a place on the ticket to put down all that info. Some of the more senior meter-maids mark your tire with a chalk line. This is so you can't say you moved your car and found the same place. ”
Correct. All PD's use chalk markers to mark your tire to the pavement to prove that the car wasn't moved. This is how they enforce the limited parking signs like 30-minute parking or 20-minute parking. Fallsburgh PD does this daily and anyone watching can see how they do it.
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Nov 06, 2008 at 10:33 PM bg Says:
“ I dont get how you prove how long you are parked there. If a parking meter person walks by the car and sees it says fail, how do they decide to ticket or not. Unless they walk by at 1PM and then at 2PM they walk by again and see its still there ... but isn't that all hard to prove for both you and the ticket maid? ”
If they (the Traffic Enforcement Agents) follow the regulations, they write down the L. plate # of any car parked @ a broken meter. They're supposed to return after a specified time. If the car is still there it gets ticketed! That's wishful thinking. They (again, they.) have a few other tricks (of the "trade") up their [proverbial] sleeve! Among others, they follow on the heels of the meter [repair] mechanics, and issue a ticket to a car that was parked there legally. (of course, if you have the right I.D. (you're not Jewish) you don't get ticketed [unfairly]. (Unless, of course (even if you're not Jewish) you're unfortunate enough either to live or work in a Jewish neighborhood [in Brooklyn] then, you must have a definitely non-Jewish looking car. + strong I.d.!!!
p.s.: this rant (or is it wrant?!) should be taken with a grain of salt and a smile!
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Nov 07, 2008 at 07:43 AM Zeesha Says:
“ Yes the city is using ticketing for profit.
to ask for a Law of Not ticketing anyone at all, ever will create total lawlessness.
To Ticket for Profit is the opposite to "Take Advantage" for profit.
The correct type of Bill which will solve the problem on both sides of the fence is to pass a law that any any and ALL Revenue collected from any and all Ticketing Summonses (for Parking or Moving violations or for Sanitation Tickets etc. etc.) must go 100% to Charity OUTSIDE THE CITY, for such matters where the city has absolutely no vested interest at all whatsoever.
The point is we must have Law Enforcement behave in a way where they have NO VESTED INTEREST and No Profit, in order to keep them HONEST.
When Police Arrest a Murderer or a Thief, they make no financial profit for the city.
When they go after motorists or sanitation it should be no different. We must TAKE THE PROFIT OUT OF CRIME of illegitimately targeted summonses.
”
Your in la la land.Bloomie and Felder are all about tickets and money raised. The proof is thay the current hiring freeze does not affect the Brownies (meter maids)
Wake up and smell the coffee.The politicians dont care about quality of life unless you live on Park Ave....