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Rockland County, NY - Class Action Lawsuit Against Charedi Yeshivas Sparks New Bill Aimed At Improving Non-Public School Education

Published on: November 25, 2015 12:58 PM
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FILE - Ultra Orthodox Jewish boys seen studying together at a schhol in Brooklyn. September 21, 2014. Photo by Mendy Hechtman/FLASH90FILE - Ultra Orthodox Jewish boys seen studying together at a schhol in Brooklyn. September 21, 2014. Photo by Mendy Hechtman/FLASH90

Rockland County, NY - On the heels of the class action lawsuit filed last week against the state and the East Ramapo School District by local families, a Rockland County assemblyman is set to introduce legislation that seeks to improve on a 90-year-old law guaranteeing quality education to private school students.

LOHUD.com (http://lohud.us/1NNS4rv) reports that Assemblyman Kenneth Zebrowski (D-New City) said his office had been researching an existing an obscure 1928 law which allows the state to enforce penalties on private schools not offering a legal standard of “substantial equivalence,” but the lawsuit filed by East Ramapo families forced his hand in speeding up the process of writing the bill.

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“I don’t think parents or students should have to resort to the courts in order to receive a quality education in New York,” Zebrowski said.

The current 1928 law—-which State Education Department spokeswoman Jeanne Beattie admits has seemingly never been enforced—-holds district superintendents responsible for ensuring that private schools in their district meet state guidelines. Zebrowski’s new bill would transfer that responsibility to the Commissioner of the State Education Department.

Zebrowski’s new law would broaden the available penalties for the commissioner to impose on schools not meeting state guidelines, running from “imposing a corrective action plan within the district” to “permanently revoking a school’s registration and prohibiting it from operating.”


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 Nov 25, 2015 at 01:27 PM albroker Says:

nothing will change as long as the corrupt Andy is the governor.

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 Nov 25, 2015 at 01:39 PM Maven Says:

Zebrowski with his Jewish "education activist" should also worry about the fine education the public schools gives.

Its scary to watch how public school students behave every day when they leave school. Its scary to be around those "educated" kids.

And watch how the "uneducated" orthodox kids behave.

And to all you so called orthodox parents who complain,here is a suggestion:
Go to the yeshiva where your kids learn and go there during english session and make sure your own child behaves.
Make sure he listens to the teacher.
Make sure you make homework with him.And if he gets a failing test you should give him hell. Stop complaining about yeshivas.They are this good only with the parents help.

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 Nov 25, 2015 at 02:57 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Maven Says:

Zebrowski with his Jewish "education activist" should also worry about the fine education the public schools gives.

Its scary to watch how public school students behave every day when they leave school. Its scary to be around those "educated" kids.

And watch how the "uneducated" orthodox kids behave.

And to all you so called orthodox parents who complain,here is a suggestion:
Go to the yeshiva where your kids learn and go there during english session and make sure your own child behaves.
Make sure he listens to the teacher.
Make sure you make homework with him.And if he gets a failing test you should give him hell. Stop complaining about yeshivas.They are this good only with the parents help.

When a parent has 10-16 kids, how do you expect him to monitor homework and any type of learning? The parents themselves can't read or write English in many cases. Most women in New Square can only sign their names, and write no English.

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 Nov 25, 2015 at 03:07 PM Anonymous Says:

The silent majority are finally starting to see some light in this dark tunnel.

Parents are petrified to open their mouth and to complain, because if they do; their kids will be thrown out from the yeshiva or not be accepted the following year in school.

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 Nov 25, 2015 at 03:12 PM thymely1 Says:

Our H.S. grandson in Lakewood receives NO secular education in his school. There are H.S.s that do give some secular education. This is why the yeshiva young men of today can't speak or write English correctly. Most of their speech is Yinglish. What a shame!!

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 Nov 25, 2015 at 03:20 PM Anonymous Says:

Oh ya! Let’s start with this silly argument that 40 people who are builders and have no english education are millionaires. Without even mentioning that 70 percent of our community are on all kinds of government subsidies, struggling to make ends-meet. And that owner of B&H also didn’t graduate high school and so on and on….

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 Nov 25, 2015 at 03:22 PM MMNSY Says:

Mr Lakewood, I got a pretty decent education in Borough Park. There are plenty of issues in Lakewood to take care of when you get a chance. Your hatred can be read between the lines of your comment. And this doesnt surprise me from a "Modern Lakewood Guy where hatred towards Chasidim isnt unusual in Lakewood.

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 Nov 25, 2015 at 03:41 PM Anonymous Says:

Ah...Lakewood modern guy
What a jew loving brother we have here..
Ever look in the mirror?.
Wonder what ur reflection is?

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 Nov 25, 2015 at 03:43 PM Anonymous Says:

Tzadik...ur entitled to take YOUR KIDS out of ANY YESHIVA u disagree with.
No one ever forced ANYONE to stay within the CONFINES of your so called "CONFINEMENT "
We still have FREE CHOICE, LAST I LOOKED.

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 Nov 25, 2015 at 03:48 PM OhevYisroel Says:

I HAVE ONE QUESTION! HOW MUCH TUITION ARE THEY PAYING? DO YOU THINK WITH SO LITTLE, YOU CAN PAY A FULL DAY REBBI AND TOP ENGLISH TEACHER WITH THE SAME LEVEL AS THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS?! THE GOV. DOES "NOT" HAVE A PROGRAM THAT SPONSORS ENGLISH OR HEBREW EDUCATION!!

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 Nov 25, 2015 at 05:12 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

Oh ya! Let’s start with this silly argument that 40 people who are builders and have no english education are millionaires. Without even mentioning that 70 percent of our community are on all kinds of government subsidies, struggling to make ends-meet. And that owner of B&H also didn’t graduate high school and so on and on….

I agree, our eyes only see the glitter, the big houses, fancy cars, jewelry etc. We look away from the ones struggling... I for one would feel very uncomfortable walking my sons down the chuppah with no marketable skills. However, most chassidishe families that have their kids in those schools consider social programs a means of income. You can't help those that don't want help.

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 Nov 25, 2015 at 05:19 PM InsideOne Says:

Very good to hear. Let's hope all of these efforts, over time, do away with our own madrassah-equivalent mosdos.

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 Nov 25, 2015 at 06:57 PM Anonymous Says:

It's so obvious that you're just filled with ahavat Yisroel....not. Lowlife self hater, you're a little TOO modern and better do teshuva

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 Nov 25, 2015 at 06:58 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Maven Says:

Zebrowski with his Jewish "education activist" should also worry about the fine education the public schools gives.

Its scary to watch how public school students behave every day when they leave school. Its scary to be around those "educated" kids.

And watch how the "uneducated" orthodox kids behave.

And to all you so called orthodox parents who complain,here is a suggestion:
Go to the yeshiva where your kids learn and go there during english session and make sure your own child behaves.
Make sure he listens to the teacher.
Make sure you make homework with him.And if he gets a failing test you should give him hell. Stop complaining about yeshivas.They are this good only with the parents help.

Sounds like u must be an underpaid Yeshiva teacher,

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 Nov 25, 2015 at 06:59 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
thymely1 Says:

Our H.S. grandson in Lakewood receives NO secular education in his school. There are H.S.s that do give some secular education. This is why the yeshiva young men of today can't speak or write English correctly. Most of their speech is Yinglish. What a shame!!

That's your children's fault for enrolling their kids in that school! There are plenty of good Yeshivos with high-level secular departments.

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 Nov 25, 2015 at 07:02 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #9  
Anonymous Says:

Ah...Lakewood modern guy
What a jew loving brother we have here..
Ever look in the mirror?.
Wonder what ur reflection is?

It's clear LakewoodModernGuy hates himself and has very low self esteem, not to mention a lot of guilt. Only people with those issues try to make themselves feel better by tearing down everything related to frumkeit. He does indeed need to look in the mirror, and then run, not walk, to a competent therapist's office.

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 Nov 25, 2015 at 07:03 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

Tzadik...ur entitled to take YOUR KIDS out of ANY YESHIVA u disagree with.
No one ever forced ANYONE to stay within the CONFINES of your so called "CONFINEMENT "
We still have FREE CHOICE, LAST I LOOKED.

Obvious the modern guy would rather just complain about it. I
Pity his wife and kids if he has any.

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 Nov 25, 2015 at 07:59 PM StevenWright Says:

You seem like a really nice guy.......
By the way what's your level of education? Vosizneias? Netflix? Do you have a degree in anything other than cruelty? If you went to med school was it because you'd get the opportunity to dissect animals?

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 Nov 25, 2015 at 08:09 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Maven Says:

Zebrowski with his Jewish "education activist" should also worry about the fine education the public schools gives.

Its scary to watch how public school students behave every day when they leave school. Its scary to be around those "educated" kids.

And watch how the "uneducated" orthodox kids behave.

And to all you so called orthodox parents who complain,here is a suggestion:
Go to the yeshiva where your kids learn and go there during english session and make sure your own child behaves.
Make sure he listens to the teacher.
Make sure you make homework with him.And if he gets a failing test you should give him hell. Stop complaining about yeshivas.They are this good only with the parents help.

You can't compare our kids to public school kids. Public school kids have a sociological barrier with the lack of family structure.You must compare our yeshivas with a nice clean white suburban log island town where almost all kids go to college and work. And family structure is strong. Its still arguable that the public schools do a better job all considering.

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 Nov 25, 2015 at 08:12 PM Get Real Says:

Reply to #3  
Maven Says:

Zebrowski with his Jewish "education activist" should also worry about the fine education the public schools gives.

Its scary to watch how public school students behave every day when they leave school. Its scary to be around those "educated" kids.

And watch how the "uneducated" orthodox kids behave.

And to all you so called orthodox parents who complain,here is a suggestion:
Go to the yeshiva where your kids learn and go there during english session and make sure your own child behaves.
Make sure he listens to the teacher.
Make sure you make homework with him.And if he gets a failing test you should give him hell. Stop complaining about yeshivas.They are this good only with the parents help.

OK so bottom line not one of you guys ever answered the follwing questions. What exactly are these 9th graders doing in lieu of secular studies? Do most 9th graders really have zits fliesh to sit & learn gemara all day? Or are the yeshvish and chassidish kids just growing up like a bunch of batlonim wasting away half their days on hock? Please tell me the honest truth. Does anyone really believe a 9th grader can learn a whole day? And if not why no secular studies?

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 Nov 25, 2015 at 08:33 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Maven Says:

Zebrowski with his Jewish "education activist" should also worry about the fine education the public schools gives.

Its scary to watch how public school students behave every day when they leave school. Its scary to be around those "educated" kids.

And watch how the "uneducated" orthodox kids behave.

And to all you so called orthodox parents who complain,here is a suggestion:
Go to the yeshiva where your kids learn and go there during english session and make sure your own child behaves.
Make sure he listens to the teacher.
Make sure you make homework with him.And if he gets a failing test you should give him hell. Stop complaining about yeshivas.They are this good only with the parents help.

I agree with you. I was in the public library and a woman that tutors in the East Ramapo public school was there and she was complaining that the kids she tutors don't even know the abc's. I guess they are not done with the public school kids yet but choose to worry about kids that are not in the public schools first.

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 Nov 25, 2015 at 08:51 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

Oh ya! Let’s start with this silly argument that 40 people who are builders and have no english education are millionaires. Without even mentioning that 70 percent of our community are on all kinds of government subsidies, struggling to make ends-meet. And that owner of B&H also didn’t graduate high school and so on and on….

B&H .... and the tons of heimishe ppl who work there could have done so much better had they received a good secular ed

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 Nov 25, 2015 at 09:48 PM ah yid Says:

As a parent and teacher in a chasideshe yeshiva I have one question for these rabble rousers. Do you talk English to your sons. Do you encourage your sons to talk English to his friends? If the answer no then you are the problem not the yeshiva. Do you think that a child who hears English for a maximum of 8 hours a week (If he has two hours of English a week) will know how to communicate in English. Second I call these people rabble rousers because they know the yeshivos have certain red lines. !) They will never allow English to be taught before Kitah gimal. 2) They will never agree to have a bar mitzvah boy go to English.3) As I said as long as Yiddish is not only the first language of these children but English is maligned no law suit will change anything.

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 Nov 25, 2015 at 11:19 PM jack-l Says:

Leave the modern Lakewood guy alone.
He feels lied to and cheated, as do many of my and my childrens generation.
Life is not about sitting in a koilel or marrying the rich girl.
Its about keeping Torah every day about being yerars shomayim , doing what one can to support a family when the right time comes and leading by example to ensure the next generation and the one after that does the same and pays tuition for their children. Not professional schnorers.
Everyone needs a basic education. Then let G-Ds help and a yiddisher kop do the rest.
Ignoramouses need not apply.
We were once proud that those in our Sanhedrin or Yoseph spoke 70 languages. perhaps our illustrious chareidi leaders could encourage our precious children to learn at least know one.

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 Nov 26, 2015 at 12:55 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

When a parent has 10-16 kids, how do you expect him to monitor homework and any type of learning? The parents themselves can't read or write English in many cases. Most women in New Square can only sign their names, and write no English.

There are some good yeshivos where the kids get a decent secular education and graduate with the ability to function in a pluralistic society. However, most of these monsey and Lakewood yeshivos turn out illiterate and dysfunctional graduates with no ability to earn a parnassah and the rabbonim who administer these abominations are guilty of child abuse.

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 Nov 26, 2015 at 10:57 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #22  
Anonymous Says:

I agree with you. I was in the public library and a woman that tutors in the East Ramapo public school was there and she was complaining that the kids she tutors don't even know the abc's. I guess they are not done with the public school kids yet but choose to worry about kids that are not in the public schools first.

That's intellectually dishonest. You know that the sociology of public school kids varies from our yeshiva kids. The fact that those kids no less does not mean that public schools don't teach well. Public school kids in E Rampoo are generally immigrants and come form dysfunctional homes.

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