“ no one ever survived traumatic arrest ”

“ no one ever survived traumatic arrest ”

“ no one ever survived traumatic arrest ”

“ baruch dayen haemes he comes from a very chosheve family. his parents are great people. hamokom yenachem eschem
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“ what does treamutic arrest mean (not that it makes any difference but for the sake of curiosity here) ”

“ is in my nephews class he's an emeser iluy ”

“ As a friend of the driver I want to request from all readers and posters to refrain disscussing him because he is going trough a tough time now. Please respect his privacy and dignity and don't prejudge him especialy in his current matzav. Noone shall ever go trough such pain and suffering. All our hearts go out for the boys family and friends but let's not forget the drivers pain either. Hashem should help all of us. Please, don't smear anyone. Be don l'kaf zchus. It was a dark road and almost impossible to see anything. Hashem yerachem ulainy. ”

“ IS THE BOY ALIVE ”

“ As a friend of the driver I want to request from all readers and posters to refrain disscussing him because he is going trough a tough time now. Please respect his privacy and dignity and don't prejudge him especialy in his current matzav. Noone shall ever go trough such pain and suffering. All our hearts go out for the boys family and friends but let's not forget the drivers pain either. Hashem should help all of us. Please, don't smear anyone. Be don l'kaf zchus. It was a dark road and almost impossible to see anything. Hashem yerachem ulainy. ”

“ IS THE BOY ALIVE ”

“ Yes he is alive ”

“ Sorry for bringing this up, I really don't want to blame anyone here, but just in general, for people familiar with lakewood, this hitchicking by anyone on forest ave (example) when bachurim stand in the middle of the road, and when you avoid them they go even deeper into the road to get the drivers attention, its soooo dangerous, and irresponsible. We have to stop this because its a recepy for tragedies chas veshulem. Pedestrian belong on sidewalks only! And lkwd needs a lot of improving regarding this. Drivers too have to slow down a bit. People racing down county line or central ave etc is to dangerous. The stmar reebe sz'l said if the speed limit is 60mph its our chiyuv to go 10 below since it was instated this way by goiyim that respect value of live less then us, so for sure not crossing the limit. Plese. ”

“ who is the boy? ”

“ who is the boy? ”

“ #43- I'll explain my hatred (if that's what you want to call it) towards Lakewood, of which i am not at all ashamed. It is the only orthodox jewish community on this planet, in the history of our religion, which shuns working people. It is the only jewish community, of which its most respected and elite mosdos, do not accept (read 'reject') children of working fathers. Such policies have never been a part of yiddishkeit, yet in Lakewood these polices are practiced and praised daily.

I'm not really concerned about who should be ashamed of themselves, myself or Lakewood. ”

“ 13, besides for the comment being incredibly insensitive its completely not true. i have personally brought back patients from traumatic arrest and they lived. ”

“ #43- I'll explain my hatred (if that's what you want to call it) towards Lakewood, of which i am not at all ashamed. It is the only orthodox jewish community on this planet, in the history of our religion, which shuns working people. It is the only jewish community, of which its most respected and elite mosdos, do not accept (read 'reject') children of working fathers. Such policies have never been a part of yiddishkeit, yet in Lakewood these polices are practiced and praised daily.

I'm not really concerned about who should be ashamed of themselves, myself or Lakewood. ”

“ may we all have him in our prayers...refua sh'leima ”

“ Is yerusahalyim on ths planet? Is Israel on this planet? Most people in Lakewood are actualy happy with this type of policy. It keeps people like you, who have zero respect for learning people from moving in with your fancy sports cars, and shaaina beepers. ”

“ #43- I'll explain my hatred (if that's what you want to call it) towards Lakewood, of which i am not at all ashamed. It is the only orthodox jewish community on this planet, in the history of our religion, which shuns working people. It is the only jewish community, of which its most respected and elite mosdos, do not accept (read 'reject') children of working fathers. Such policies have never been a part of yiddishkeit, yet in Lakewood these polices are practiced and praised daily.

I'm not really concerned about who should be ashamed of themselves, myself or Lakewood. ”

“ and you're accusing him of hatred!!
Kol haposel bemumo posel ”

“ #43- I'll explain my hatred (if that's what you want to call it) towards Lakewood, of which i am not at all ashamed. It is the only orthodox jewish community on this planet, in the history of our religion, which shuns working people. It is the only jewish community, of which its most respected and elite mosdos, do not accept (read 'reject') children of working fathers. Such policies have never been a part of yiddishkeit, yet in Lakewood these polices are practiced and praised daily.

I'm not really concerned about who should be ashamed of themselves, myself or Lakewood. ”

“ Sorry for bringing this up, I really don't want to blame anyone here, but just in general, for people familiar with lakewood, this hitchicking by anyone on forest ave (example) when bachurim stand in the middle of the road, and when you avoid them they go even deeper into the road to get the drivers attention, its soooo dangerous, and irresponsible. We have to stop this because its a recepy for tragedies chas veshulem. Pedestrian belong on sidewalks only! And lkwd needs a lot of improving regarding this. Drivers too have to slow down a bit. People racing down county line or central ave etc is to dangerous. The stmar reebe sz'l said if the speed limit is 60mph its our chiyuv to go 10 below since it was instated this way by goiyim that respect value of live less then us, so for sure not crossing the limit. Plese. ”

“ while the percentage is small patients can and have survived traumatic arrest, which is basically a heart attack caused by severe blood loss due to a traumatic event. since the bochur is still alive hours after the event, we can be assured that he is out of the traumatic arrest.let us hope and daven that the doctors have siyata dshmaya and have stabilized him and let us daven for his complete recovery. ”

“ 13, besides for the comment being incredibly insensitive its completely not true. i have personally brought back patients from traumatic arrest and they lived. ”

“ no one ever survived traumatic arrest ”

“ Burich dayan haemes
I wonder if he was a grandson of Reb Herschel Golworm z'l of Monsey? ”

“ 100% right ”

“ Don't tell me your in the medical field. A heart attack has nothing to do with cardiac arrest (heart stopped), except some heart attack victims go into arrest. Traumatic arrest is just that- people who experience major trauma can go into cardiac arrest from many reasons. One of them could be blood loss- there are quite a few other reasons. ”

“ #34 your comment to #29 illustrates what's wrong with you....you obviously have a real hatred towards Lakewood and to the yeshiva velt for that matter....its very apparent from your comment.shame on you!!!
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“ A korbon for Klal Yisroel, the cream of the crop has been taken from us. Please, friends, let this be the catalyst for our teshuva, we cannot handle any more tzaar, we cannot be makriv more heilige karbonos. Hamokom Yinachem Eschem B'soch Shaar Aveilei Zion V'yerushalayim. ”

“ #43- I'll explain my hatred (if that's what you want to call it) towards Lakewood, of which i am not at all ashamed. It is the only orthodox jewish community on this planet, in the history of our religion, which shuns working people. It is the only jewish community, of which its most respected and elite mosdos, do not accept (read 'reject') children of working fathers. Such policies have never been a part of yiddishkeit, yet in Lakewood these polices are practiced and praised daily.

I'm not really concerned about who should be ashamed of themselves, myself or Lakewood. ”

“ #34/#50(same guy) its 43 again truth to be told you're not worthy of a response but just to point out how pathetic you sound.when you say'it is the only orthodox jewish community on this planet,etc. which shuns working people'....the 'orthodox jewish community' consists of hundreds of working people(myself included) and so who is exactly shunning who.
Your hatred for Lakewood is very apparent....without even knowing you I'm willing to go on record and say you most probably never made it through the Yeshiva years (in other words you got thrown out) and your hatred has been seething since then.

Get a life. ”

“ I was there and it was not a pretty site. Rabboisai how many more wake up calls do we need? Entire county line blocked and hatzoloh where trying revive him. Dr pelz was there to and rabbi shenkolevsky. Every big med was there. Hashem yerachem ”

“ Don't tell me your in the medical field. A heart attack has nothing to do with cardiac arrest (heart stopped), except some heart attack victims go into arrest. Traumatic arrest is just that- people who experience major trauma can go into cardiac arrest from many reasons. One of them could be blood loss- there are quite a few other reasons. ”

“ First, i b'h have a life. I successfully completed my yeshiva years. In fact, i "learned" in Kollel for a while too. I didn't drink coffee all day or smoke cigarettes. I completed a few Mesechtas during that time as well. I actually fit in as a Lakewood yeshiva guy. But i refuse to live in a community where you are not a good enough Jew because you are not anymore a 'yeshiva' guy, or in a community where they practice ethnic cleansing; you are accepted in my Yeshiva only if you are learning because the Hashkofos of your children are not 'shtark' and it could chas v'shalom destroy the future of yiddishkeit.

Second, because a community consists of working people as well, it doesn't necessarily mean that the 'yeshiva' guys don't shun those that are not learning. In fact, if you are the same person who commented above, then you admitted yourself that there is nothing wrong if, as a father of a child in a yeshiva, you want your children to be friends with others who come from 'learning' homes. My friend, that is called shunning fathers who don't learn.

Finally, those that spew hate are hateful themselves. I criticized a community in a very respectful manner and you read hate. Shame on me or shame on you? ”

“ First, i b'h have a life. I successfully completed my yeshiva years. In fact, i "learned" in Kollel for a while too. I didn't drink coffee all day or smoke cigarettes. I completed a few Mesechtas during that time as well. I actually fit in as a Lakewood yeshiva guy. But i refuse to live in a community where you are not a good enough Jew because you are not anymore a 'yeshiva' guy, or in a community where they practice ethnic cleansing; you are accepted in my Yeshiva only if you are learning because the Hashkofos of your children are not 'shtark' and it could chas v'shalom destroy the future of yiddishkeit.

Second, because a community consists of working people as well, it doesn't necessarily mean that the 'yeshiva' guys don't shun those that are not learning. In fact, if you are the same person who commented above, then you admitted yourself that there is nothing wrong if, as a father of a child in a yeshiva, you want your children to be friends with others who come from 'learning' homes. My friend, that is called shunning fathers who don't learn.

Finally, those that spew hate are hateful themselves. I criticized a community in a very respectful manner and you read hate. Shame on me or shame on you? ”

“ #43- I'll explain my hatred (if that's what you want to call it) towards Lakewood, of which i am not at all ashamed. It is the only orthodox jewish community on this planet, in the history of our religion, which shuns working people. It is the only jewish community, of which its most respected and elite mosdos, do not accept (read 'reject') children of working fathers. Such policies have never been a part of yiddishkeit, yet in Lakewood these polices are practiced and praised daily.

I'm not really concerned about who should be ashamed of themselves, myself or Lakewood. ”

“ How you framed your insults and accusation are not the issue. The fact that your reaction to this tragedy was the one you posted makes your dislike for bnai torah obvious.

For the record, I do not reside in Lakewood and never have, know hardly anyone there and have never attended a Lakewood-centric yeshiva. Your comments at this time were offensive to any decent person. ”

“ I response to #50 I think you really misunderstand what Lakewood is all about. Firstly I think you have no hasogo what a ben torah is. When the Rosh Hayeshiva zt"l (Reb Ahron) founded lakewood he wanted it to be a town void of outside influences but times have changed and Lakewood has grown much larger with most of the bnei torah remaining in Lakewood. These members of the Kollel made these mosdos for their children where they knew that most of the children who would be students in these mosdos whould come from homes with the same hashkofos free of television newpapers etc that should not be in any frum jewish home. I am not saying that everything is perfect but one has to try. People from other parts of the country mainly the metro area who had no connection to Lakewood in fact had ideas that were totaly opposite of what the Yeshiva stands for took advantage of the large homes with nice grounds cheaper prices and moved to Lakewood. These people were not willing to conform to the ideas and haskofos of these mosdos in fact had haskofos that were totally opposite of what these mosdos stand for both in their way of dress and their general outlook that is why some of these children were not acceptedin the mosdos. It does happen that sometimes the homegrown children are rejected but that is very much in the minority. It is terrible that it takes a tragedy like this that the one above is calling upon us to do teshuva but I felt when the kovod hatora is being damaged and the whole mokom torah's name is being tarnished one has to reply. Just for your information I do not live in Lakewood but have great respect for this outstanding town.

Bessootouis tovios ”

“ I just moved to Lakewood to get away from the gashmius and overall decline in values and hashkafos that I saw in the other major metropolitan community that I lived in. I work for a living, and boruch hashem my kid is in a very good school and I love it here. People come at night to learn, have chashivus for torah and mitzvos and are friendly and nice as well. I can't speak for everyone but I haven't any complaints. ”

“ I think its time to do tsheuvah we have to ban non tzniudike clothing & lipa ”

“ I think its time to do tsheuvah we have to ban non tzniudike clothing & lipa ”

“ Burich dayan haemes
I wonder if he was a grandson of Reb Herschel Golworm z'l of Monsey? ”

“ Wow! What a zechus for the neshoma of the niftar! A FAMILY IS UNDERGOING UNTOLD ANGUISH AND ALL YOU CLOWNS CAN DO IS DISCUSS THE PROS AND CONS OF LAKEWOOD??? WHAT IS WITH YOU??? AT LEAST WAIT UNTIL THE LEVAYA IS OVER!!! ”

“ Is yerusahalyim on ths planet? Is Israel on this planet? Most people in Lakewood are actualy happy with this type of policy. It keeps people like you, who have zero respect for learning people from moving in with your fancy sports cars, and shaaina beepers. ”

“ #34/#50(same guy) its 43 again truth to be told you're not worthy of a response but just to point out how pathetic you sound.when you say'it is the only orthodox jewish community on this planet,etc. which shuns working people'....the 'orthodox jewish community' consists of hundreds of working people(myself included) and so who is exactly shunning who.
Your hatred for Lakewood is very apparent....without even knowing you I'm willing to go on record and say you most probably never made it through the Yeshiva years (in other words you got thrown out) and your hatred has been seething since then.

Get a life. ”

“ " When the Rosh Hayeshiva zt"l (Reb Ahron) founded lakewood"

FYI, for the record, Rav Aharon ztvk"l did not found Lakewood. There was a Shul and Yiddishe kehilla there many years before he came, along with Yiddishe hotels.

Kevoidoi hagodol bimkoimoi munach, but he didn't start the town. ”

“ " When the Rosh Hayeshiva zt"l (Reb Ahron) founded lakewood"

FYI, for the record, Rav Aharon ztvk"l did not found Lakewood. There was a Shul and Yiddishe kehilla there many years before he came, along with Yiddishe hotels.

Kevoidoi hagodol bimkoimoi munach, but he didn't start the town. ”

“ I'm not sure why criticism of a certain lifestyle of a community of which this tragedy occurred is indecent. This tragedy has nothing whatsoever to do with the criticism expressed. The boy a'h was not from Lakewood and neither is his family. How exactly did you create a connection between the tragedy and the comments expressed about Lakewood? If you go back and look to the original poster who raised the criticism, you will see that he/she was reacting to a certain comment made about the boy a'h and how sad it is that he was such an Illuy. The subsequent criticism was not a reaction to the tragedy but to a crooked perception of people in Lakewood. I'm certain the poster's reaction to the tragedy was exactly as yours was. ”

“ >>>> "took advantage of the large homes with nice grounds cheaper prices and moved to Lakewood.">>>>>>>>>

And wherever a yid goes the prices are outrageous. Even for Lakewood the home prices, although cheaper than Brooklyn, Queens, Staten Island, is outrageous but people have to live somewhere where there is a shul, yeshiva, mikveh etc


We all agree that the problem is a two fold problem. Lakewood Hanhalah do not want "the Brooklyn people" moving in. Now if this is true then why do they keep on building? Who are the lakewood people building for and if they do not like the Brooklyn people then why sell to them? So the only answer I can think of is these "lakewood people" care more about the money and will sell their soul.

If lakewood people care about hashkofa and all other yiddishe ideals (WHICH THEY SHOULD) then they should stop making fancy homes with driveways for two cars. Rabbi Aaron kotler Zt"l did not invision that his town would become so Americanized with all the fancy stuff. Nobody has to live like a shamteh but there has to be the middle ground. There is having a nice home and then there is having a nice home and most of Lakewood is about what the next guy is doing instead of doing what is right for the sake of doing what is right!

Now one of the points that we must make is the Lakewood people should stop blaming people from Brooklyn who move in and STOP BLAMING them for tzoares that happens in lakewood. Anyone with a heart does care about what happened last night and nobody should care who the driver was because it's not going to bring back the neshoma. When something happens in another community it effects us all and for anyone to suggest otherwise is a fool.

Rabbi Dishon has stated many times when moving into another community you do not change their way of doing things. there are choices and plenty of communites which fit the mold of all types of yidden out there. So anyone trying to blame accidents in lakewood on people from other neighborhoods moving into Lakewood should have their head examined. I might add speak to Rabbi Dishon on this issue and maybe he can align your head for free. ”

“ Your 100% right. What is with these people that make stupid comments. I am sure there are family members that read this stuff every once in a while and the last thing they need to see is the unsenseitivity from our fellow borthers and sisters in klal yisroel.

And if this accident happened in Brooklyn I do not believe there would be one person from lakewood writing that the cause of accidents in Brooklyn is because of xyz. Lakewood has it's own issues but if people really want to compare notes we should look at the facts.

facts are as follows:

Lakewood has the least amount of kids going off the derech compared to any other city where frum yidden live.

Lakewood has less accidents than boro park.

Lakewood drivers use handsfree devices more so than other cities where frum people live. (non scientific but look yourself at any busy intersection and come to your own conclusion)

Lakewood collects and distributes more tzedaka than any other jewish town and not bad considering that nobody supposedly works there. So people manage to GIVE when they barely make anything themselves. (this is a kiddush hashem)

When was the last time a Lakewood guy was convicted of anything? Can you say this about Boro Park, Flatbush , Williamsburgh, crown heights?

there is more torah being learned in lakewood, more tzedakah, more chesed and more JEWISHNESS coming out of Lakewood than you think.

So anyone that has something to say about Lakewood think twice before writing stupid things here. ”

“ What you are saying is totaly false. There are plenty of people in Lakewood that cant stand learing guys, like you, and disrespect them, like you, that have moved to Lakewood so that their kids will maybe stay frum and go to school with the kids of the learning guys that they hate.
Then when no school wants them, they whine, and tell everyone how they really love yeshiva people, and that everyone in the house dresses tzniusdik, as specialy when they go for a school interview. and then the get accepted into a school....and then they online cursing out Lakewood

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“ B65 has successfully resuscitated a traumatic arrest few years back. Ask him if you want.

The guy he saved is still alive and living a normal life.

I believe F97 has saved a traumatic arrest as well. But I'm not sure about it.

That being said, there are different opinions on what exactly traumatic arrest means. Since this is not a medical forum I won't post the differing opinions. ”

“ I am a Hatzolah medic and my very knowledgable instructor taught us about ten years ago that there was never documented a traumatic cardiac arrest that was brought back to a sustainable life - specifically only in a case that the person was found in cardiac arrest at the scene, but if they were found alive and were wittnessed to go into cardiac arrest they did have a chance. Despite all this as Hatzoloh members we would do everything possible to save any arrest unless there was trauma that clearly showed irreversable death. ”

“ does anybody know if he was a bobover talmid? ”

“ The comments made above regarding Lakewood are clearly false. I was born and bred in Lakewood and I am b"h raising my family there. I am a 'working guy' and yet my children all attend wonderful schools in Lakewood. My wife and I do not feel like outcasts in the slightest. To the contrary, I have wonderful relationships with many Lakewood Rabbonim as well as some of the Roshei Yeshiva.

In my experience, if there is any line drawn it is not between 'working' and 'learning' but between 'bnei torah' (regardless of current occupation) and 'non -bnei torah', (i.e. the mei ahnei le rabonon crowd.)

Regarding the comment that led to this digression, that this bochur a"h was an illuy, etc, what can be possibly wrong with praising a niftar? It is a tremendous tragedy and it is normal for people to speak about the maalos of the niftar. If he was not an illuy they would speak about other maalos that he had. There is no insinuation that it was only a tragedy because of his illuyishkeit.

May his family find nechama bsoch shaar availy zion vyerushalyim. ”

“ #43- I'll explain my hatred (if that's what you want to call it) towards Lakewood, of which i am not at all ashamed. It is the only orthodox jewish community on this planet, in the history of our religion, which shuns working people. It is the only jewish community, of which its most respected and elite mosdos, do not accept (read 'reject') children of working fathers. Such policies have never been a part of yiddishkeit, yet in Lakewood these polices are practiced and praised daily.

I'm not really concerned about who should be ashamed of themselves, myself or Lakewood. ”

“ "Lakewood has the least amount of kids going off the derech compared to any other city where frum yidden live."

Open your eyes my friend, Lakewood has a tremendous problem with kids going of the derech. The sooner the communities recognizes this issue the sooner it can be reversed. B'H there are a few people who try to deal with these children, however, untill the community has the guts to face it, its a losing battle.
Parents must remember children are people not their property. they deserve at least the same amount of respect you give strangers and friends. amybe Bezchus this niftar people can be mekabel upon themselves to treat their wife and children with sensitivitie and respect.
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