Jerusalem – Newly elected Jerusalem Mayor Nir Barkat is considering thanking the city’s ultra-Orthodox Ger community for their support in the elections by handing their representatives the municipality’s planning and construction portfolio. Barkat met with MK Yakov Litzman (United Torah Judaism), who represents the Ger community, at his house yesterday for a lengthy meeting. “We don’t give details on meetings that were either held or not held with public officials,” a Barkat spokesman said. The Ger Hasidic dynasty voted en masse in favor of the secular Barkat, causing a split with the rest of the ultra-Orthodox community who largely supported the candidacy of Meir Porush.
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You call Ger “ULTRA ORTHODOX”
I think you must of meant ULTRA NOT ORTHODOX??
You see why ger supported him its all about kavod shumayim
shame on you ger the gerer rabbi was always a medrush pliaa now its hivrar hadover l’mafraa that he all about polotics and money nothing more then that
the whole reason why he was so close with rav steinman is also because he wanted dagels support and he knew that being that rav steinmen is so flexable he would be able to fir him by the nouse
Ukedei bizoyon veketzef
As people say colloquially that’s ‘like giving a monkey the key to the banana plantation’. Mr Barkat might regret it.
stop bashing the ger chasidim, people can choose to do what they feel is right. why do we feel we need to do something only one way, like a box. there are options and people do what they feel is correct. if one sect feels that a canidate is better then the other, why do we need to bash them, so be it.
The representative of Ger will be a litvak from Degel Hatorah who joined Litzman to back stab Porush. But one day Mr. P. will receive his reward as the Mishna says Hillel found a skull floating upon the water and he said You were drowned because you drowned others but he who drowned you will be drowned in the end. Porush buried P. in Beitar, P. buried Porush in Yerushalayim, and one day ………………….
P. is still young and has aspirations of becoming an MK when Ravitz retires, lets see if he does teshuva before that day. For all the support he had from Boyan, he could show his gratitude by arranging for them to acquire the Kaduri property which is next to their Shul and Yeshiva.If he does not do this he is no better than Porush and Polak!
does anyone know why Ger chassidim in israel dont speak yiddish?
i was in israel last year i was so shocked when i asked directions even there boys dont know yiddish????
Ger isnt shildig anything to anyone and has no obligation to listen to other rabonim (they have their own). Some of you guys remind me of the Mullahs where there is no dissentin opinion.
money money and bribery
#1 wellsaid, but what does it have to do with Ger?
it apperars that he made the right decision, since now he is getting something, can you say the same for ger under Porush?
on the flip side of the coin, why did the oter endorse Porush?
because the would get nothing from him? or is it for the sae reasons that Ger didn’t vote for him.
as far as I am concerned, Porush is just as frum as Barkat, since that (his being frum) is clearly not the reason the others endorsed him, but what he promised them is.
which makes Ger the winner and shows they just made the right choice.
if the others would have joined Ger, would they (the others) have benefited? clearly yes, would Ger have benefited from Porush? clearly no.
So #1 exactly what did Ger do wrong?
Don’t worry so much about this, the Jewish community has survived over the years despite lots of in-fighting. When the secular community sees that we don’t march in lock step as one massive cult they see that we are believers in hashem and not a mindless cult. Thank you Gerer CEO & Rebbe!
if frum jews in america could support the democratic party inspite of what it stands for why cant the jews in israel support a secular candiddate
Ger Ger Chigro Sak: Ger Ger the holy ger How have you fallen? The peni menachen and the rabiis up and down the line are rolling in their graves im sure. Electing a koifer for the post of the holy city for political reasons? this is cheivlei moshiach, and this is the only zechus that ger has speeding up the coming of moshiach bemhiro beyominu
Interesting! I wonder, if after Ger gets the government to build inexpensive housing for sale or rentals for the Chareidim because of getting this portfolio, whether all those “imfarginers” that are “hocking” now on Ger will refuse those houses / apartments? Or perhaps they will be out for themselves, as all the other “politicians” are now!
Same thing is true now for all those that are waiting to get their checks of 500 NIS monthly from Yad L’Mishpacha – a Gerrer Rebbe initiative for ALL frume Yidden. Or will they also forgo that allotment, out of their bitterness at Ger. Knowing those Israelis, I highly doubt it.
It really makes no differnce which politician will run city hall with its money, power, and nepotism. What is unforgivable, though, is Gerrer chassidim urging chilonim
to vote against chareidim, using slogans from anti-religious parties. This was done in Yerushalayim (successfully) and in Beit Shemesh (unsuccessfully)/
The national religious also voted for Barkat.
When will we learn from Gush Katif and Amona who our friends really are?
Whomever is the mayor seems to allow ‘Gay Parades” in the Holy City, a disgrace to religios Jews,X-tians ,and Moslems. A disgrace and shame in front of the whole world.
I do not believe that some people cannot understand the Aveiro and Chillul Hashem to vote for a Poshei Yisroel rather than for an Erlicher Yid.
Since when has Money, Nekoma and Control replaced our Torah.
Not even a modern Orthodox Rabbi with a kippah seruga would allow himself to stoop that low and campaign by the chillonim that Porush will make Yerushalayim too frum.
Ger have sold out their neshomas for money, and in the process Tzion has fallen.
Whats the klall? YOCHID V’RABBIM- HALOCHA K———– !!
Anonymous Says: Reply to #14
“ money money and bribery ”
and kevod shabes
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Shabbes by Nir Barkat is definetly more heilig than by Meir Porush and his 10 children!
At least Barkat doesn’t wear a Shtreimel like Porush does!
both sides are through and through zionist
Obama won because he received the majority of the vote.
Barkat won because he received the majority of the vote.
Sore losers can not change that. Ivoted for McCain but now, Obama is the president. How do I know what Ger will do with the new power they will probably get, before they even get it?
I say, Ger deserves a chance to show what it will do with the power.
Maybe majority of the gedolim supported Porush,
but, ALL are against RECHILUS AND LLOSON HORA ANS BASHING other people. The same gedoilim whom supported Porush are now saying do not CHEPPE (bashing) with Ger.
I wonder if Barakat will reward Ger by legalizing the Mishmeres Hatznius? I am sure nothing gives the 2 meter and 100kg gerer bullvanes more pleasure than calling women filthy names and them beating them up. Maybe their rav who gave the heter to vote for Barakat gives them a heter to touch the women they beat up?
#31 - MISHMERES HATZNIUT IS NOT SUPPORTED BY GER AT ALL
So how come the majority of these chayas are Gerrer??
Reply to #17
not only Ger Says:
“ The national religious also voted for Barkat.
Most of the frummer ones voted for Porush.
A long list of national Religous Rabbonim publicly endorsed Meir Porush!
vyevoser YAKOV levado vayeovek eish emow
you could tell from all the comments that no one knows what ger is about and nobody knows why ger even voted for barkat
I hear that the Gerrer Rebbe has invited 10 senior chassidim for an emergency meeting (re damage control) to be held in Yerushalayim next week Monday (24 November).
2 are from New York and 2 from Europe.
Lets hope they can clean up this mess.
All of u bashing ger think a minute your gedolim supported the chareidy mayor canidate cause he’s going to give them money not cause of kvod shumayim if not for money they wouldn’t support either canidate.
#17 - not only Ger Says:
“ The national religious also voted for Barkat.”
Even if this would be 100% true,
Since when are the National Religous the new MOREI DERECH of the Gerrers??
#36 - Anonymous Says: All of u bashing ger think a minute your gedolim supported the chareidy mayor canidate cause he’s going to give them money not cause of kvod shumayim if not for money they wouldn’t support either canidate.
Why do you think true Gedolim are as low as Ger. They are not YOUR Gedolim or OUR Gedolim but simply Tzaddikim who put the Ribona Shel Olam first. Please dont look at Yiddishkeit like football teams!
When Ger preaches NO LOSHON HORA that only means against themselves??
GER: SHAME, SHAME ON YOU!
Nuchem Says: Ger Ger Chigro Sak: Ger Ger the holy ger How have you fallen? The peni menachen and the rabiis up and down the line are rolling in their graves im sure. Electing a koifer for the post of the holy city for political reasons? this is cheivlei moshiach, and this is the only zechus that ger has speeding up the coming of moshiach bemhiro beyominu
AS I read these comments tears roll down my cheeks ..My whole family was murdered by the nazis ..A family that never missed a Gerere rabbi Yom tov where ever he was . Even when he was in Warswa when the war was already happening. Is this what they sacrificed their lives that ger should support a Koifer beikor for the mayor of the holy city?
-When a Rebbe has hundreds of millions of dollars this can happen.
-When the tzaddik of a son of the Pnei Menachem is allowed to suffer so much this can happen
As the Torah says in Parshas Hazini: Vayishman Yeshirin vayivot!
I bothered my relatives in Israel to vote for Barkat. Meir Porshe seems like another step towards theocracy. If we, God willing, elect Livni, I think we nailed theocracy in a coffin.
Everyone is shocked that Ger left there derech and backed a Mechallel Yom Kippur instead of Rav Porush.
But isn’t it far, far worse that they took enormous sums of monies (corruptly) for themselves at the expense of giving children a Torahidige chinuch. How many frayer have they caused who will be future voters for Barkat.
The only aveiro Porush has, was he stop the Gerrer geneivois, at a cost to his own career.
I envy the Olam Habo of Rav Porush..
Faivel you are 100% right!
Number 44!
“Poruch is a “chaye” and undermined gur. He deserves nothing better then what he got” …..Nobody will ever mess around wirh Gur again!!
From the Gur Nikoma machine!
Some posters who accuse the other [than their favorite] side of playing “dirty” politics, are guilty of the same thing. It’s all about political advantage and nothing about the lofty ideals that the “losing” side proclaim it to be!!!
THE GERRERS SEEM TO THINK THAT EVERYONE ONLY CARES ABOUT MONEY, POLITICS, POWER AND NEKOMA AS THEY DO.
OPEN YOUR EYES AND YOU WILL BE PLEASANTLY SUPRISED THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF CHAREIDIM HAVE NOT BOWED TO THE EGEL HAZOHOV, JUST BECAUSE GER HAS !!
Its Only Fitting That Ger Endorsed The Secular Candidate, The Way Their Women Dress Is A Straight Out Chillul Hashem, As One Told Me At A Visit To Israel Recently Their Men Look Like From Old Shtetl And Their Wives Like Shikses From Paris. They Intentionaly Drown Out Yiddish To Modernize Their Youth. And Stop With The Gedolim Shtick, Unless You Call All Filthy Rich People This Way. BTW Im Glad That The Secular Guy Won Its A Position That Needs To Support All Kinds Of Life Styles, Even Against The Torah. So I Will Cut The GEDOLIM Some Slack.
I have a great solution
The Rebbe hates Reb Shaul, so dismiss Reb Shaul and make Nir Barkat the new Rosh Yeshiva and then Meir Porush could become Rosh Hair!
The Rebbe will be happy,
Porush will be happy
Yerushalayim will be happy.
Interesting how the whole concept of BeChiros has raveled itself ..wasn’t the whole ideology of voting in the first place – an issue of Judaism?.. a way to overcome and protect the status-quo of Yidishkiet?!!?!!..hmm ..I guess it has become official… MONEY ..money n more money and mainly Power for that …. Litzman… no wonder why Agudah still has the same 5-6 seats in kneset for the past 20 yrs…(with all natural Charedi growth they should have had 15 by now do the calculation how many children an avg haredi fam has…etc..)
Nir Barkat can only become Rosh Yeshiva if he will wear a spodek on Yom Haatzmut!
The great strength of the Chareidi world has been that it has followed Daas Torah when it came to political choices. One Jerusalem politician decided to challenge the frum world and become a political power on his own, changing his Chassidic affiliations chameleon-like depending on where he thought it would best further his political aspirations, no different than any secular politician. He went head to head with the Godol HaDor, Rav Elyashiv, in last year’s Betar mayoral elections, and his hand-picked puppet defeated R. Yitzchak Pindrus, who had fashioned Betar, a vibrant enclave of Torah and Chassidus, into arguably the cleanest, best-run, corruption-free city in Israel. He was thus emboldened to try to do the same in Jerusalem. Had he succeeded in his striving for power in Jerusalem he would have threatened the supremacy of our following Daas Torah in matters of political choices, and the Torah world would have turned in the direction of kol d’olim govar, similar to the situation in the secular political world. Boruch HaShem, and with the help of Ger, his power play in Jerusalem failed and he received a well-deserved patch-in-ponim from the frum world.
#55 - Anonymous Says: “Porush went head to head with the Godol HaDor, Rav Elyashiv, in last year’s Betar mayoral elections, Had he succeeded in his striving for power in Jerusalem he would have threatened the supremacy of our following Daas Torah in matters of political choices, and the Torah world would have turned in the direction of kol d’olim govar, similar to the situation in the secular political world.”
So the Gadol Hador and all erlicher yidden that supported and voted for Porush don’t know what they are doing. The only emesdige yidden are the money hungry Gerrer.
I feel sorry for the Gerrer Rebbe. He acknowledges he made a mistake, as he has called together an international summit.
He is only human and unfortunately let his anger to Porush blind his vision. There was money, power and Nekoma. Litzman was the one who pushed the Rebbe into this mess. Didn’t Moishe Rebbayni also make mistakes!
Leave the Rebbe alone!
In Beitar did Porush appoint the Mayor or was the Mayor elected.
Is the Mayor in Beitar as frum as the Gerrer candidates in Yerushalayim and Beit Shemesh?
If the Mayor in Beitar is fray and all the Gedolim were against him how come a town like Beitar tolerate it?
#### We all know that the culprit is Yaacov Litzman and he can only twist one Rebbe around his finger. #####-
You can only fool some of the people, some of the time.
Reply To # 61 Leave Moshe Alone Ger Is A More Like DaSan If You Want An Old Comparison.
SOME YUTZ COME HERE AND SAID THAT HE HEARD THAT GERRER REBBE IS CALLING FOR A INTERNATIONAL MEETING ON THE MATTER, BEFORE YOU KNOW IT IT BECOMES A FACT AND PROOF OF GERRER REBBE ADMITTING HE MADE A MISTAKE. ABSURD.
The gerer rabbi indeed called for an emergency conference, two very strong powerfull ger chasidim from america flew off to Israel for damage controll. But the mamzer is already born no turning back the mistake was made now they will have to eat it