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New York - Pizza, Bagels Still More Expensive Despite Significant Drop in Flour Cost

Published on:   Nov 17, 2008 at 10:44 AM
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A yeshiva boy checks prices for mozzarella cheese at the new Pomegranate kosher foods supermarket in New York
A yeshiva boy checks prices for mozzarella cheese at the new Pomegranate kosher foods supermarket in New York
New York - The price of flour has fallen harder than a 401(k), but New Yorkers aren't saving much dough on their breakfast bagels and lunchtime slices.

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Shopkeepers complained long and loud this year - and jacked up their prices - when an upward spike in commodities prices sent their overhead soaring.

Now, not only is the cost of a 50-pound bag of flour half the $36 it cost nine months ago, mozzarella cheese is down 15% from its summer high, and fuel prices, which affect nearly everything, are way down.

Yet most business owners have a million excuses for sticking with menu markups made when wholesale prices were sky high.


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1

 Nov 17, 2008 at 10:47 AM Anonymous Says:

So nu? How can we get them to lower the prices back down?

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 10:50 AM Anonymous Says:

we should all boycot all stores who do not drop prices

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 11:02 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

we should all boycot all stores who do not drop prices

You are 100% RIGHT

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 11:00 AM Anonymous Says:

"So nu? How can we get them to lower the prices back down?"

Chuchum, don't buy pizza or bagels!!! if only half their clientle will stop buying for just a few weeks, rest assured those prices will drop like a rock!

Anyways, who needs all those carbs??

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 10:58 AM Anonymous Says:

Well I agree with the article in someway, however dosent seem to me to that the person writing this article has the slightest idea of running a business etc.

And so if they are making so much money, how come the only businesses that are FOR SALE are Restaraunts and Restaraunts and Reateraunts.

Do you think for example because the flour or the cheese comes down in price, the Restaraunts saw their expenses drop? how about Con Edison bills? how about other expenses to run a business these days, and those businesses WILL NOT recieve goverment bailout to help pay their rent employees etc.

And my final question to rthe article writer, if in fact you feel that it is possible to come down with the price, why dont you open a chain of pizza stores with a pie for less? I will be the first one to buy from you anytime.

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 10:57 AM Fed Up Says:

Instead of boycotting a particular store, we should boycott the manufacturers who have not lowered prices. How about not buying any .....bread or any ......milk or any .....cheese????????

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 10:56 AM Big Masmid Says:

true that the price came down but since less people are buying at this time the price cant come down yet.

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 10:55 AM ali Says:

stop buying from them and start complaining to the owners...

9

 Nov 17, 2008 at 11:03 AM Anonymous Says:

PIZZA STILL $3.00 FOR WHAT REASON ANY EXPLENATION FOR THAT

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 11:09 AM All Knower Says:

Just spoke with a bakery owner he told me that all the bakeries have high contracts with the flour suppliers because most bakeries are using "YOSHON" flour.

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 11:07 AM smart Says:

You want to know the reason???? ---------> Because they can.

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 11:19 AM Anonymous Says:

i went with not so religious peolple to a pizza store in manhattan 3.50 a slice they said that we felt that it was simply an abuse to the community, but we are at fault for patronizing them

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 11:39 AM Anonymous Says:

i work for a food manufacturing business, although the daily price of the ingredients have come down, it takes longer until the manufacture can buy at lower levels, since most buy supplies months in advance and the ingredients they have in stock were bought mostly at higher contract cost. remember prices took a few months to rise after the daily spot price for the ingredients went up sharply as well. those moves from the market to the consumer takes several months to take actual effect in the stores. you will mostly see prices come down a bit after pesach if the situation allows.

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 11:36 AM Anonymous Says:

what a bunch of stupid spoiled brats you are. That is a classic communist example, if you dont like the prrice, threaten with boycott. What a nerve you jerks have. If I see a product that i feel is too expensive I just dont buy it and I keep quiet. The restaurant has a right to charge what they want and you do not have a right to boycott them because they want to make a living. do you know what their gas and electric bill is, do you know what their overall expenses are? What sick individuals feel that because they dont earn enough money , they have a right that affords them the opportunity to buy pizza at a price that they want

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 11:35 AM is this the answer? Says:

now we can stop buing pizza then the real question begins were will those people looking for a hang out go!??

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 11:34 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
All Knower Says:

Just spoke with a bakery owner he told me that all the bakeries have high contracts with the flour suppliers because most bakeries are using "YOSHON" flour.

thats a buncha hog wash, besides yoshon is never triple the cost of regular

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 11:32 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Big Masmid Says:

true that the price came down but since less people are buying at this time the price cant come down yet.

iIknow for a fact that many many trucking companys have lowered thier prices since fuel dropped why cant dairy and bread prices drop too.

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 11:29 AM Anonymous Says:

Its not only pizza , How about Milk also the complaint was that fuel prices thats why they raised the prices
Whats the excuse now

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 11:23 AM Anonymous Says:

Is this the reason you hear another bakery or resteraunt fold every other week? I think 5 is right, while price of flour fell does it mean all expenses fell?

20

 Nov 17, 2008 at 11:58 AM Joe Says:

In J2 in the city. pizza slice is ... $3.50 and falafel is... $8.00!!!!!
No way in hell i am paying that...

21

 Nov 17, 2008 at 11:53 AM Anonymous Says:

Forget it once a kosher manufacturer raises the prices unlike the non kosher ones the prices never come down. Us suckers are paying the prices as they rake in the profits so why should they lower the prices and give anyone a break.

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 11:49 AM outraged Says:

Reply to #19  
Anonymous Says:

Is this the reason you hear another bakery or resteraunt fold every other week? I think 5 is right, while price of flour fell does it mean all expenses fell?

does iut mean that our bills arent just as high as theirs and that nebach alot of us yidden lost jobs and we aint getting help from the govt so dont just think always about the owners their are nebach ppl that cant afford bead and milk were arent even talking about tuition or rent or gas and electric bills so they might be a little tight but their are ppl that cant sleep because they are starving yes starving go ask MASBIA what their expenses are in the last month or two how many more ppl are coming so stop with that garbage that they have other expenses we all do

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 11:46 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #14  
Anonymous Says:

what a bunch of stupid spoiled brats you are. That is a classic communist example, if you dont like the prrice, threaten with boycott. What a nerve you jerks have. If I see a product that i feel is too expensive I just dont buy it and I keep quiet. The restaurant has a right to charge what they want and you do not have a right to boycott them because they want to make a living. do you know what their gas and electric bill is, do you know what their overall expenses are? What sick individuals feel that because they dont earn enough money , they have a right that affords them the opportunity to buy pizza at a price that they want

oh were stupid spoiled brats hmmmm very intelligent post you posted.... this has nothing to do with spolied brats.... these are necessities we are talking about like milk and bread oh so what do u eat if u cant afford i am sure you just eat some grass and hay yeah i am sure..... u must be one of those stores that have those freaking prices so high so u are the greedy ones that know that us yidden have no choice but to buy your products oh dont worry all u ppl will have a din vcheshbon wait and see

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 11:43 AM fed up Says:

i love how people complain that we dont know what it means to run a business or what expenses they have and the govt isnt bailing out the business owners.... well let me tell you a big SECRET they arent bailing us hard working ppl either so why the hell should we suffer because u aint getting any help from the govt so ur hiking up the price very mature. its like when someone's 4 yr old hits another kid so the other kid hits him back very very mature............ where are all those politicians that wanted our votes now were are they when we need them............ lets flood dov hikind and simcha felders offices with phone calls enough is enough

25

 Nov 17, 2008 at 12:11 PM Boro Parker Says:

We are letting ourselves being sucked and abused by the local shop keepers and the kosher food industry, I know for a fact that all bakeries have a deal that no one will lower the prices, I have boycotted my local bakery, and I urge other to follow suit, my local pizza shop is still charging 2.50 (Dagans Pizza) I asked him how come he didn't raise prices when others did, he told me at this point there is no reason to do it, and it's not only bakeries and pizza shops, but kosher food in general, can anybody explain why a little container with 8 pieces of herring is selling for 4.39 and the herring crackers an additional 3.99, again it's because we are sitting idol and not doing anything about it, the only solution is to boycott them, or we should come up with a Wal Mart solution to lower prices. The kosher food industry has become a mafia industry, so don't get caught up by these fancy food expo's.

The local electronic stores have learned a lesson, to either charge a nominal price, or we head over to Amazon, of course if the difference is only a few dollars we should support our own, but when it comes to a stage where hard working families are being taking advantage of, we should respond appropriately.

26

 Nov 17, 2008 at 12:11 PM Anonymous Says:

The writer seems to forget that the store owner did not pass along the higher price the day he got hit with the price increases from his supplier.
First cheese went up but the owner was afraid to raise the price of items made with cheese. Besides, it was only one of the ingrediants, the others were still cheap, he figures he can absorb the price increase. After all, who wants to get the customers angry?

Then sauces went up but the owner was afraid to raise the price of items made with sauce. Besides, it was only one of the ingrediants, the others were still cheap, he figures he can absorb the price increase. After all, who wants to get the customers angry?

Then sugar went up but the owner was afraid to raise the price of items made with sugar. Besides, it was only one of the ingrediants, the others were still cheap, he figures he can absorb the price increase. After all, who wants to get the customers angry?

Then eggs, oil, and mayo (made out of eggs and oil) went up but the owner was afraid to raise the price of items made with eggs, oil, or mayo. Besides, it was only one of the ingrediants, the others were still cheap, he figures he can absorb the price increase. After all, who wants to get the customers angry?

Then flour went up but the owner was afraid to raise the price of items made with sugar. Besides, it was only one of the ingrediants, the others were still cheap, he figures he can absorb the price increase. After all, who wants to get the customers angry?
Somewhere along the line came the fuel surcharges but the owner was afraid to raise the price of items delivered on trucks that run of fuel. Besides, it was only one of the costs and there were no ingrediants that were still cheap, and he or his accountant (read: wife or daughter) figures out that he has absorbed increased costs right out of profitability. After all, who wants to get the customers angry?

You know what you call the owner who waited too long to raise his prices?

OUT OF BUSINESS.

The experienced business owners waited as long as they could, absorbed the increases that didn't make it a waste of time to lift the gates (which protect the store from losses c"v he'd have to cover out of pocket because he accepted a higher deductable when his policy renewed to avoid a premium increase) every morning. Then, one merchant told another that he can't go on like this so he's raising his prices and everyone else followed along.

So now they are recovering as much of the losses they incurred by waiting until someone else is the first one to drop his price.


27

 Nov 17, 2008 at 12:04 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #13  
Anonymous Says:

i work for a food manufacturing business, although the daily price of the ingredients have come down, it takes longer until the manufacture can buy at lower levels, since most buy supplies months in advance and the ingredients they have in stock were bought mostly at higher contract cost. remember prices took a few months to rise after the daily spot price for the ingredients went up sharply as well. those moves from the market to the consumer takes several months to take actual effect in the stores. you will mostly see prices come down a bit after pesach if the situation allows.

Your wrong, massive suppliers don't have items like flour in stock for a long time. If they keep flour for a long time it will get infested.

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 12:23 PM Anonymous Says:

BORO PARKER dont get so excited... this article came right out of todays DAILY NEWS.... and half the article is missing, it mentions a company in NYC that charges a bagel $1.3O and dosent want to come down with the price to $1.10 that was before the increase, but I bet you, you wont find any kosher bagel store that charges for a bagel $1.30 or even close to it! Kosher is still less expensive when it comes to bakery goods, entermans and the like are not a penny cheaper.

29

 Nov 17, 2008 at 12:15 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #24  
fed up Says:

i love how people complain that we dont know what it means to run a business or what expenses they have and the govt isnt bailing out the business owners.... well let me tell you a big SECRET they arent bailing us hard working ppl either so why the hell should we suffer because u aint getting any help from the govt so ur hiking up the price very mature. its like when someone's 4 yr old hits another kid so the other kid hits him back very very mature............ where are all those politicians that wanted our votes now were are they when we need them............ lets flood dov hikind and simcha felders offices with phone calls enough is enough

So lets all drop our prices and no one will make parnosah and we call all close up shop and go home!

30

 Nov 17, 2008 at 12:31 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #27  
Anonymous Says:

Your wrong, massive suppliers don't have items like flour in stock for a long time. If they keep flour for a long time it will get infested.

Wrong. The reason they don't keep much supply on hand is because of cash flow and on-demand ordering. Huge companies have people who do nothing but predict the correct ordering schedule for all the items they use in the production and distribution of their products.

Keep the place clean and flour can be stored for months.

How do you think you get YOSHON flour for hamentashen?

31

 Nov 17, 2008 at 12:26 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #25  
Boro Parker Says:

We are letting ourselves being sucked and abused by the local shop keepers and the kosher food industry, I know for a fact that all bakeries have a deal that no one will lower the prices, I have boycotted my local bakery, and I urge other to follow suit, my local pizza shop is still charging 2.50 (Dagans Pizza) I asked him how come he didn't raise prices when others did, he told me at this point there is no reason to do it, and it's not only bakeries and pizza shops, but kosher food in general, can anybody explain why a little container with 8 pieces of herring is selling for 4.39 and the herring crackers an additional 3.99, again it's because we are sitting idol and not doing anything about it, the only solution is to boycott them, or we should come up with a Wal Mart solution to lower prices. The kosher food industry has become a mafia industry, so don't get caught up by these fancy food expo's.

The local electronic stores have learned a lesson, to either charge a nominal price, or we head over to Amazon, of course if the difference is only a few dollars we should support our own, but when it comes to a stage where hard working families are being taking advantage of, we should respond appropriately.

Wow! Good job of being motzi shem rah, and rechilus against THOUSANDS of yidden at once.

32

 Nov 17, 2008 at 12:44 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #9  
Anonymous Says:

PIZZA STILL $3.00 FOR WHAT REASON ANY EXPLENATION FOR THAT

yes..open a pizza store and try to sell for $2.50 a slice..you will close down b4 you opened....you sure went to business school

33

 Nov 17, 2008 at 12:44 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #25  
Boro Parker Says:

We are letting ourselves being sucked and abused by the local shop keepers and the kosher food industry, I know for a fact that all bakeries have a deal that no one will lower the prices, I have boycotted my local bakery, and I urge other to follow suit, my local pizza shop is still charging 2.50 (Dagans Pizza) I asked him how come he didn't raise prices when others did, he told me at this point there is no reason to do it, and it's not only bakeries and pizza shops, but kosher food in general, can anybody explain why a little container with 8 pieces of herring is selling for 4.39 and the herring crackers an additional 3.99, again it's because we are sitting idol and not doing anything about it, the only solution is to boycott them, or we should come up with a Wal Mart solution to lower prices. The kosher food industry has become a mafia industry, so don't get caught up by these fancy food expo's.

The local electronic stores have learned a lesson, to either charge a nominal price, or we head over to Amazon, of course if the difference is only a few dollars we should support our own, but when it comes to a stage where hard working families are being taking advantage of, we should respond appropriately.

where can u get herring for 4.39?? my grocer in williamsburg charges 4.99 for cont geshmak herrring. i ended up buying the flaums for 4.59
where are the rabbonim??? i pay around 200 for groceries a week for a family of 3 (2 adults, 1 child) and thats besides for meat and fish

34

 Nov 17, 2008 at 12:42 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

You are 100% RIGHT

First find those stores 2)if you have time to run around and shop to find lower prices better get yourself a job..3)Dont buy if its expensive,boycott is a joke

35

 Nov 17, 2008 at 12:52 PM moshe Says:

Reply to #26  
Anonymous Says:

The writer seems to forget that the store owner did not pass along the higher price the day he got hit with the price increases from his supplier.
First cheese went up but the owner was afraid to raise the price of items made with cheese. Besides, it was only one of the ingrediants, the others were still cheap, he figures he can absorb the price increase. After all, who wants to get the customers angry?

Then sauces went up but the owner was afraid to raise the price of items made with sauce. Besides, it was only one of the ingrediants, the others were still cheap, he figures he can absorb the price increase. After all, who wants to get the customers angry?

Then sugar went up but the owner was afraid to raise the price of items made with sugar. Besides, it was only one of the ingrediants, the others were still cheap, he figures he can absorb the price increase. After all, who wants to get the customers angry?

Then eggs, oil, and mayo (made out of eggs and oil) went up but the owner was afraid to raise the price of items made with eggs, oil, or mayo. Besides, it was only one of the ingrediants, the others were still cheap, he figures he can absorb the price increase. After all, who wants to get the customers angry?

Then flour went up but the owner was afraid to raise the price of items made with sugar. Besides, it was only one of the ingrediants, the others were still cheap, he figures he can absorb the price increase. After all, who wants to get the customers angry?
Somewhere along the line came the fuel surcharges but the owner was afraid to raise the price of items delivered on trucks that run of fuel. Besides, it was only one of the costs and there were no ingrediants that were still cheap, and he or his accountant (read: wife or daughter) figures out that he has absorbed increased costs right out of profitability. After all, who wants to get the customers angry?

You know what you call the owner who waited too long to raise his prices?

OUT OF BUSINESS.

The experienced business owners waited as long as they could, absorbed the increases that didn't make it a waste of time to lift the gates (which protect the store from losses c"v he'd have to cover out of pocket because he accepted a higher deductable when his policy renewed to avoid a premium increase) every morning. Then, one merchant told another that he can't go on like this so he's raising his prices and everyone else followed along.

So now they are recovering as much of the losses they incurred by waiting until someone else is the first one to drop his price.


I wonder if you would have the same rosy attitude if gas stations were still charging $4.25 a gallon. You are naive. Business owners figure that since we are used to already paying more for everything why bother lowering the prices. It's interesting how prices by the yidelech always go up but they never come down. Shop Rite here I come!

36

 Nov 17, 2008 at 12:52 PM Boro Parker Says:

Reply to #31  
Anonymous Says:

Wow! Good job of being motzi shem rah, and rechilus against THOUSANDS of yidden at once.

“ Wow! Good job of being motzi shem rah, and rechilus against THOUSANDS of yidden at once.”

So the truth hurts? and when is last time you looked into the Chofetz Chaim?

I was involved in the food industry, so I know some inside stories of whats going on, if the shop keepers have some secret union and conspire how to keep prices high, then we should respond in a similar fashion.

Food is a consumer staple, and a necessity, and for it to be affordable is a most.

37

 Nov 17, 2008 at 12:57 PM Boro Parker Says:

I'm shopping the past few years at Costco, its a 7 minute ride from Boro Park, it saved me thousands of dollars the past few years, lately its loaded with haimishe consumers, at numbers I have never seen before.

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 12:55 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #33  
Anonymous Says:

where can u get herring for 4.39?? my grocer in williamsburg charges 4.99 for cont geshmak herrring. i ended up buying the flaums for 4.59
where are the rabbonim??? i pay around 200 for groceries a week for a family of 3 (2 adults, 1 child) and thats besides for meat and fish

Time to go on a diet.

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 12:36 PM Anonymous Says:

29 you couldnt have said it better - and then we can all go to mr boro parker for a donation..... I bet he will give you alot.

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 12:18 PM Anonymous Says:

Its evident that some greedy shop owners are posting replies here, nothing will happen if you earn just one million this year instead of two million.

Why am I paying 4.25 for a large challah? huh?

The G&B and G&G conflict should be a perfect example of how prices should come down.

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 12:18 PM Anonymous Says:

So if you feel that you can do it cheaper, open your own bakery. Youwill gain two things youwill have a job and bread wil be lower.

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 01:15 PM athlete Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

"So nu? How can we get them to lower the prices back down?"

Chuchum, don't buy pizza or bagels!!! if only half their clientle will stop buying for just a few weeks, rest assured those prices will drop like a rock!

Anyways, who needs all those carbs??

I guess you don't exercise much. people that DO, however, need those carbs or their bodies would start protesting under malnutrition.

43

 Nov 17, 2008 at 01:08 PM Anonymous Says:

How about the airlines too
Fuel surcharge is crazy more then the ticket itself

44

 Nov 17, 2008 at 01:01 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #14  
Anonymous Says:

what a bunch of stupid spoiled brats you are. That is a classic communist example, if you dont like the prrice, threaten with boycott. What a nerve you jerks have. If I see a product that i feel is too expensive I just dont buy it and I keep quiet. The restaurant has a right to charge what they want and you do not have a right to boycott them because they want to make a living. do you know what their gas and electric bill is, do you know what their overall expenses are? What sick individuals feel that because they dont earn enough money , they have a right that affords them the opportunity to buy pizza at a price that they want

excuse me because we live in a free country we have the right to boycatt and talk about whats on our mind if you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 12:59 PM Anonymous Says:

Jerusalem Pizza in Monsey went down to $15 a pie. He told me that all his costs have gone down - flour, oil & cheese. Most of the companies selling wholesale were charging a fuel surcharge and they are not charging it anymore.

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 12:58 PM fed up Says:

well i never said no one should make parnossah but when ppl are making a huge profit on someone else's expense then yes you know what close up shop we dont need to support such ppl...... can you please tell me why a cream cheese sandwich costs $2 when the bakel costs them what 3 to 5 cents.... so yes if this is how they want to do business then go and close up shop i dont give a damn enough is enough we are all in a bad financial crisis but that doesnt mean we should all be suckers

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 12:57 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
Anonymous Says:

"So nu? How can we get them to lower the prices back down?"

Chuchum, don't buy pizza or bagels!!! if only half their clientle will stop buying for just a few weeks, rest assured those prices will drop like a rock!

Anyways, who needs all those carbs??

Yup we stopped buying a while ago i told my family that its chutspah they raise the prices but they wont lower it when the prices fall so we have other stuff and dont buy pizza after all its almost cheaper to buy a good fried chicken cutlet with two sides then 2 slices of pizza

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 01:28 PM Anonymous Says:

see the chutzpah is they just jumped on the bandwagon of raising prices, they are making way too much extra now, and they cant hang up on this.

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 02:29 PM Anonymous Says:

Don't you guys know - Grocery store owners get medical insurance for free, the yeshiva takes their kid for free, the bank gave them a free loan for their house and doesn't ever want to get paid, Toyota gives them free cars, etc

They don't need to make a good parnosah like you and me.

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 02:26 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #46  
fed up Says:

well i never said no one should make parnossah but when ppl are making a huge profit on someone else's expense then yes you know what close up shop we dont need to support such ppl...... can you please tell me why a cream cheese sandwich costs $2 when the bakel costs them what 3 to 5 cents.... so yes if this is how they want to do business then go and close up shop i dont give a damn enough is enough we are all in a bad financial crisis but that doesnt mean we should all be suckers

1) The bagel costs closer to 40 cents to make. 2) The guy who baked the bagel for you while you were still shluffing and the guy who smeared the cream cheese also need to earn a living, as does the owner.

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 02:22 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #43  
Anonymous Says:

How about the airlines too
Fuel surcharge is crazy more then the ticket itself

Can't be. Didn't you see #35?

Only the yiddelech do that.

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 02:21 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #40  
Anonymous Says:

Its evident that some greedy shop owners are posting replies here, nothing will happen if you earn just one million this year instead of two million.

Why am I paying 4.25 for a large challah? huh?

The G&B and G&G conflict should be a perfect example of how prices should come down.

Why be so shy about the stupidity you post???

The average grocery owner doesn't make only two million dollars a year. That's just what the store manager makes. The average owner makes 500 and 600 million a year.

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 02:18 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #35  
moshe Says:

I wonder if you would have the same rosy attitude if gas stations were still charging $4.25 a gallon. You are naive. Business owners figure that since we are used to already paying more for everything why bother lowering the prices. It's interesting how prices by the yidelech always go up but they never come down. Shop Rite here I come!

Right. Only by the yiddelech.

You antisemit!

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 02:07 PM Boro Parker Says:

An important lesson in life "don't care for those who don't care about you".

It reminds me of the famous Syms quote "An educated consumer is our best customer"

The shops may hate it, but we are educated consumers, we know whats going on in the markets, and we expect to be treated like one.

Their replies here, are evident of their greediness.....so keep on replying, and let the consumer see the faces behind this exuberant prices.....

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 02:00 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #35  
moshe Says:

I wonder if you would have the same rosy attitude if gas stations were still charging $4.25 a gallon. You are naive. Business owners figure that since we are used to already paying more for everything why bother lowering the prices. It's interesting how prices by the yidelech always go up but they never come down. Shop Rite here I come!

Gas stations pass along their price increases the day they get hit because they know that everyone else is getting hit.

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 01:58 PM Herring Lover Says:

VIta herring is 4.99 for a 32oz in BJ's no need to support the others.. And its OU

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 01:56 PM Brian Says:

A large element is the meat crisis. Once people can't obtain meat, they search for other products to substitute. The companies which produce kosher products sense this, and take advantage (the demand for other staples go up, allowing them to charge more). For example, if you are used to eating meat, but because of the crisis you scale back, you must therefor start eating more cheese. This drives up the demand for cheese, thus allowing them to charge more. For example, Gefilte Fish has been in higher demand since the meat crisis, thus the higher Gefilte Fish prices. Heivanta?

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 01:51 PM aranda Says:

******************Why is the price of Milk still $3.20..???*******************

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 02:46 PM robroy560 Says:

I say it's still a hashgacha issue too. Dariy products do not need a lot of supervision, and it's not unheard of these days using non-animal enzymes to make cheese. Even the non-kosher ones are doing this - it makes the vegatarians happy. We can't say only our cheese is special. So perhaps the price of supervision needs to be supervised too.

But we are not forced to buy a lot of this. Bagels freeze well... defrost it for a few seconds in the microwave, toast it and schmear your own cream cheese. A tub of chalav stam cream cheese is cheap. It's not much more if you need glatt kosher chasidishe shechita cream cheese.

You can buy some mulitgrain flat breads/wraps, make your own sauce or use a jar brand, put some spices on it and spread some shredded cheese on it. Viola! You have your own pizza (a correct serving size), which is arguably better tasting than the undercooked slop that is sold as pizza. I have found some great non-heimishe brands of torilla wraps/flat breads in heimishe stores. Some are ven low-carb. You have to look.

No time? Perhaps you can get your kids involved involved. If they are not R"L disabled, they can pitch in and help honor their parents by helping out in the kitchen.

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 02:43 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #50  
Anonymous Says:

1) The bagel costs closer to 40 cents to make. 2) The guy who baked the bagel for you while you were still shluffing and the guy who smeared the cream cheese also need to earn a living, as does the owner.

dont tell me that the bagel costs 40 cents thats garbage because then your telling me that Goldberg's and Appetizing plus, etc... are losing money by offering it more than 50% less than what it costs i dont buy that (no pun intended) for a second so go bluff those store owners...

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 03:01 PM Anonymous Says:

There are different size bagel. a 5.5 oz is usually the lagest and it does cost in the area of 35 - 40 cents. Many stores sell a 4.0 ounce bagel or even smaller.

Before you compare prices you need to know if you are comparing bagels to bagels.

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 02:59 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #14  
Anonymous Says:

what a bunch of stupid spoiled brats you are. That is a classic communist example, if you dont like the prrice, threaten with boycott. What a nerve you jerks have. If I see a product that i feel is too expensive I just dont buy it and I keep quiet. The restaurant has a right to charge what they want and you do not have a right to boycott them because they want to make a living. do you know what their gas and electric bill is, do you know what their overall expenses are? What sick individuals feel that because they dont earn enough money , they have a right that affords them the opportunity to buy pizza at a price that they want

I agree with you wholeheartedly- except for when you write that we don't have the right to boycott. Of course we do. They have a right to charge ehat they want, we have a right to buy it, not buy it and keep quiet (like you), or to organize a boycott. That is what freedom is, don't you get it?

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 02:56 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #50  
Anonymous Says:

1) The bagel costs closer to 40 cents to make. 2) The guy who baked the bagel for you while you were still shluffing and the guy who smeared the cream cheese also need to earn a living, as does the owner.

i see your already thinking like a store owner trying to rip us off openly ... your telling me that the guy that makes the bagel and the one that smears is 2 different guys its the same mexican in the back so go back schluffing you seem to sound smarter....

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 02:52 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #58  
aranda Says:

******************Why is the price of Milk still $3.20..???*******************

pathmark in MONSEY is 2.34 so stock up everyone

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 02:51 PM tuvia Says:

the store owners know that we cannot control ourselves

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 02:51 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #49  
Anonymous Says:

Don't you guys know - Grocery store owners get medical insurance for free, the yeshiva takes their kid for free, the bank gave them a free loan for their house and doesn't ever want to get paid, Toyota gives them free cars, etc

They don't need to make a good parnosah like you and me.

i guess you dont get it.... i am dan lkaf zchis its because of these exuberant high prices thats clogging your understanding........ but none of us consumers are saying they cant and shouldnt make a parnossah we want all us yidden to make parnossah brevech un daagus.... but they shouldnt be selffish and chazerish because dont forget most of us dont get free medical insurance or get a tuition break or any freebies and dont have mansions or drive the latest cars or go on vacation or buy those expensive clothing we are saying were all trying to make ends meet and that doesnt mean they should take us for a ride or that we consumers dont know what what the hell is going on behind the scenes thats why we are speaking up and making our voices heard and we wont allow this to happen...... and dont start saying if we dont like it dont buy it so what the hell should we eat if we cant buy milk, bread, sugar, challah, macaroni or anything if they are crazily priced.......... i am sure if Reb Moshe ztz"l was alive today he would mattir pas akim and cholov stam if the prices were so crazy and ppl cant pushut buy the necessities these arent luxuries were talking about

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 03:25 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #63  
Anonymous Says:

i see your already thinking like a store owner trying to rip us off openly ... your telling me that the guy that makes the bagel and the one that smears is 2 different guys its the same mexican in the back so go back schluffing you seem to sound smarter....

Most bagel shops have a baker working in the back and a counter person making sandwiches.

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 03:53 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #66  
Anonymous Says:

i guess you dont get it.... i am dan lkaf zchis its because of these exuberant high prices thats clogging your understanding........ but none of us consumers are saying they cant and shouldnt make a parnossah we want all us yidden to make parnossah brevech un daagus.... but they shouldnt be selffish and chazerish because dont forget most of us dont get free medical insurance or get a tuition break or any freebies and dont have mansions or drive the latest cars or go on vacation or buy those expensive clothing we are saying were all trying to make ends meet and that doesnt mean they should take us for a ride or that we consumers dont know what what the hell is going on behind the scenes thats why we are speaking up and making our voices heard and we wont allow this to happen...... and dont start saying if we dont like it dont buy it so what the hell should we eat if we cant buy milk, bread, sugar, challah, macaroni or anything if they are crazily priced.......... i am sure if Reb Moshe ztz"l was alive today he would mattir pas akim and cholov stam if the prices were so crazy and ppl cant pushut buy the necessities these arent luxuries were talking about

*am sure if Reb Moshe ztz"l was alive today he would mattir pas akim and cholov stam*

Reb Moshe ztz"l did allow chalav stam

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 03:51 PM Anonymous Says:

I was told by a Pizza Store owner this morning that the stores lock in contracts for flour and cheese with suppliers and that is why even though prices have fallen they can't lower prices. They are locked in with the old expensive prices. If this keeps up and they can lock in new prices in a few months when their current contract expires then they will be able to lower prices.

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 03:49 PM Anonymous Says:

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Anonymous Says:

thats a buncha hog wash, besides yoshon is never triple the cost of regular

I have a bakery in flatbush. I buy only yoshon from dependable food. Their prices are 42 dollars a bag even though I could buy non Yoshon for 19!!!
Besides the cheese from comes from Mehadrin & Haolam wich is priced out of this world!!!
I think we should all boycot Mehadrin and Haolam they are the ones causing such terrible pricing for our community. They are very selfish. The same quality cheese that cost by them $4.45 per pound cost $1.78 on the non cholov yisroel market!!! and its not like they need to pay for a shochet and a bodek like in the meat bussiness. Its a shame that we let mehadrin and haolam get away with their crime against klal yisroel. it's only because they can.

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 03:44 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #67  
Anonymous Says:

Most bagel shops have a baker working in the back and a counter person making sandwiches.

because those are the ones that are charging over priced sandwiches so they can afford to have 2 ppl doing a one person job

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 04:01 PM yossi Says:

As someone pointed out, so many people aren't buying pizza because of the financial situation, so what they've gained in profit margin, they've lost in sales. But just a note for all you crybabies. The storeowners owe you nothing, and supply and demand says that people are still willing to pay that for a piece of pizza. So stop complaining. You don't like it, don't buy it. You may even lose a few pounds. And there aren't many pizza store millionaires.

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 04:16 PM Anonymous Says:

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Anonymous Says:

because those are the ones that are charging over priced sandwiches so they can afford to have 2 ppl doing a one person job

Your experience in the food service indusrtry is showing. You obviously eat too much and are upset how much it costs.

You'd be the first one to whine and moan if there was only one guy doing both jobs and you had to wait for a sandwich while the one employee went back to the oven to flip the bagels or if the store didn't have the kind of bagel you like because there was no time for one person to bake babels and keep the bagel oven full.

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 04:40 PM Anonymous Says:

I am an owner of a Deli/Restaurant and I am a good friend of a owner of a local community pizza shop.
I would like to point out a fact on behalf of pizza shop owners.
The wholesale price for chicken; Rubashkin & Empire $1.30 per lb
Alle ( Meal Mart) $1.85 per lb
The wholesale price for beef; Rubashkin $2.20
Alle processing $2.85
Now........
The wholesale price for Mozzarella cheese; Haolam $4.25
Mehadrin $4.40

Now I charge for a shnitzel in baguette $9.75 plus tax

The local bagel store charges $5.50 plus Tax for a tuna sandwich. The wholesale price for Dagim tuna is $1.60 per lb.

My friend from the pizza shop pays more for cheese than I pay for chicken or meat or the bagel store pays for Tuna and his price is a lousy $3.00 per slice.

It's no wonder to me that every kosher pizza shop that I know of in my neck of the woods is for sale. They barely make a living. Now I am not talking about the big boys like Mendelsohn, Amnons, Jerusalem on Broadway. I am talking about the average mom and pop shop is simply not making it. So let's cut them some slack.

Now the Bakeries are a different story. They don’t put in expensive ingredients to be able to charge $10.75 a lb of cookies. Flour (0.30 per lb) and sugar (0.45 per lb) are not that expensive, so I don't get the $5.00 chalahs and $2.25 a Danish.

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 05:21 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #28  
Anonymous Says:

BORO PARKER dont get so excited... this article came right out of todays DAILY NEWS.... and half the article is missing, it mentions a company in NYC that charges a bagel $1.3O and dosent want to come down with the price to $1.10 that was before the increase, but I bet you, you wont find any kosher bagel store that charges for a bagel $1.30 or even close to it! Kosher is still less expensive when it comes to bakery goods, entermans and the like are not a penny cheaper.

IN A WILLIAMSBURG PIZZA SHOP CHARGES $1.30 FOR A BAGEL

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 05:17 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #13  
Anonymous Says:

i work for a food manufacturing business, although the daily price of the ingredients have come down, it takes longer until the manufacture can buy at lower levels, since most buy supplies months in advance and the ingredients they have in stock were bought mostly at higher contract cost. remember prices took a few months to rise after the daily spot price for the ingredients went up sharply as well. those moves from the market to the consumer takes several months to take actual effect in the stores. you will mostly see prices come down a bit after pesach if the situation allows.

GIVE IT A FEW MONTHS AND U STILL WONT SEE PRICES DROP

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 05:42 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #13  
Anonymous Says:

i work for a food manufacturing business, although the daily price of the ingredients have come down, it takes longer until the manufacture can buy at lower levels, since most buy supplies months in advance and the ingredients they have in stock were bought mostly at higher contract cost. remember prices took a few months to rise after the daily spot price for the ingredients went up sharply as well. those moves from the market to the consumer takes several months to take actual effect in the stores. you will mostly see prices come down a bit after pesach if the situation allows.

And your telling me that the goyishe stores dont have the same issue with having still stock when they purchased it when the prices were higher but for some reason they dropped their prices and i am not hating on yidden but enough with taking us for a ride

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 05:42 PM Anonymous Says:

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Anonymous Says:

Jerusalem Pizza in Monsey went down to $15 a pie. He told me that all his costs have gone down - flour, oil & cheese. Most of the companies selling wholesale were charging a fuel surcharge and they are not charging it anymore.

He can afford to. The paper plate it is served on is thicker than the pizza.

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 05:53 PM Anonymous Says:

Pizza is still by far the most affordable meal. Period.
I take my kids to the pizza store and we are all satisfeid and all it cost is about 18 to 25 dollars. If I try to take my family out anywhere else its way over 100 dollars.

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 05:50 PM Library Lover Says:

Im sorry, but it should be ILLEGAL for bakeries and pizza stores to charge what they do..I figured out that eating out at KD is much cheaper than buying in ANY pizza shop..and much healthier..so I stopped buyingit..and as far as cakes and cookies..make your own!! Even the frozen are cheaper!It is pure geneivah, BTW, to overcharge another Jew.

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 05:46 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #45  
Anonymous Says:

Jerusalem Pizza in Monsey went down to $15 a pie. He told me that all his costs have gone down - flour, oil & cheese. Most of the companies selling wholesale were charging a fuel surcharge and they are not charging it anymore.

BTW Shelly's in monsey has been selling $15 a pie through this whole downhill economy so dont tell me that any other store cant do the same and b"h they are still opened. Kudos to shelly's

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 05:41 PM Anonymous Says:

It looks from al these posts that the guilty party is here Mehadrin and the cheese manufactures - How can we boycott them as they have the monoply over dairy products

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 05:39 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #74  
Anonymous Says:

I am an owner of a Deli/Restaurant and I am a good friend of a owner of a local community pizza shop.
I would like to point out a fact on behalf of pizza shop owners.
The wholesale price for chicken; Rubashkin & Empire $1.30 per lb
Alle ( Meal Mart) $1.85 per lb
The wholesale price for beef; Rubashkin $2.20
Alle processing $2.85
Now........
The wholesale price for Mozzarella cheese; Haolam $4.25
Mehadrin $4.40

Now I charge for a shnitzel in baguette $9.75 plus tax

The local bagel store charges $5.50 plus Tax for a tuna sandwich. The wholesale price for Dagim tuna is $1.60 per lb.

My friend from the pizza shop pays more for cheese than I pay for chicken or meat or the bagel store pays for Tuna and his price is a lousy $3.00 per slice.

It's no wonder to me that every kosher pizza shop that I know of in my neck of the woods is for sale. They barely make a living. Now I am not talking about the big boys like Mendelsohn, Amnons, Jerusalem on Broadway. I am talking about the average mom and pop shop is simply not making it. So let's cut them some slack.

Now the Bakeries are a different story. They don’t put in expensive ingredients to be able to charge $10.75 a lb of cookies. Flour (0.30 per lb) and sugar (0.45 per lb) are not that expensive, so I don't get the $5.00 chalahs and $2.25 a Danish.

thanks fo ryour posting.

but were not so much blaming the small mom and pop shops because they are nebach being victimized from the bigger stores as you mentioned its liek a mafia because if all of a sudden the smaller stores will start charging $2 or 2.25 for a slice who knows what threats they will get. but bottom line is that we still should not be paying such outrageous prices.... i know that they are going out of business but you know what who is coming to save the rest of us that are also struggling or losing jobs its a tough situation but we still shouldnt be suckered in i am sorry i takeh nebach feel bad but you know what everyone has to pay bills and chesed begins at home when ppl cant pay bills or afford the basics and ppl please dont start with oh this guy is so selffish he only thinks about himself but if you would ask around the majority of shalom bayis problems comes from parnossah so this has nothing to do with being selffish

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 06:19 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #72  
yossi Says:

As someone pointed out, so many people aren't buying pizza because of the financial situation, so what they've gained in profit margin, they've lost in sales. But just a note for all you crybabies. The storeowners owe you nothing, and supply and demand says that people are still willing to pay that for a piece of pizza. So stop complaining. You don't like it, don't buy it. You may even lose a few pounds. And there aren't many pizza store millionaires.

Hi Yossi.
According to Halacha one can not mark up food more than a shtus, a sixth.
As for your calling people crybabies, the ones crying ARE sometimes babies, who go hungry because their parents can't afford to pay the exorbitant prices that the wholesaler/distributor/storekeeper charge. As they say in Yiddish "A zate gleibt nisht der hungeriker"
(Although personally we've stopped buying fresh pizza , in pizza stores and that's not where my complaint is, pizza store owners DO become rich.

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 06:55 PM Y. Levine Says:

Almost all of the businesses that use flour bought their flour long before the price came down. The reason is because their products are Yoshen. So it will not be until after Pesach that one may see a drop in the price of baked goods due to lower prices for flour.

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 06:33 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #84  
Anonymous Says:

Hi Yossi.
According to Halacha one can not mark up food more than a shtus, a sixth.
As for your calling people crybabies, the ones crying ARE sometimes babies, who go hungry because their parents can't afford to pay the exorbitant prices that the wholesaler/distributor/storekeeper charge. As they say in Yiddish "A zate gleibt nisht der hungeriker"
(Although personally we've stopped buying fresh pizza , in pizza stores and that's not where my complaint is, pizza store owners DO become rich.

The cheese prices are the easiest to fix. Buy cholov stam if you are having a hard time feeding your family.

Anyone who can't afford enough food but won't solve the problem by switching to regular brands with an OU is a chosid shoiteh.

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 07:15 PM peh she-osur Says:

If pizza store owner Yankel complained to Shmerel that his costs went up so he must raise his pizza price, why can't shmerel go back to Yankel and just ask - so what now? Why the end-around, blog, comments waste of time??

You and I can debate until we're blue in the face, but the actual players must talk to each other. That is if real information is the objective. But if the point here is to CREATE news and a conversational item, and provide a forum for opinionated gemoro kep internet surfers who have all the world's problems solved and understood, continue on....

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 07:34 PM Anonymous Says:

THE PRICE OF YOSHON FLOUR IS U

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 08:56 PM Anonymous Says:

Rent, labor costs, insurance, and hashgochas have not gone down.

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 09:13 PM Anonymous Says:

I heard a Pizza Hut slice is a $1.50 anyone interested?

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 09:13 PM Shop Rite Says:

I'm buying lately puddings and yogurts for my kids at shop-rite and saving over 50%.

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 08:09 PM Anonymous Says:

to whom it may concern: how could a store drop prices if the wholesaler did not drop the prices its easy for everyone to talk

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 09:29 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #92  
Anonymous Says:

to whom it may concern: how could a store drop prices if the wholesaler did not drop the prices its easy for everyone to talk

We boycott the overpriced products, the products stay on the shelves and collect dust, the wholesales does not get new orders for his product, and he learns a lesson and lowers prices.

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 11:03 PM Anonymous Says:

Moti's (16th ave) Pizza cost 2.25
Amnom's 1.75 per slice

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 11:29 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #32  
Anonymous Says:

yes..open a pizza store and try to sell for $2.50 a slice..you will close down b4 you opened....you sure went to business school

Amnon's pizza sells for $2.50 a slice. I don't see them going out of business any time soon. BTW $2.50 is also expensive it was not long ago when pizza was $2.00 a slice. Eventually with this economy prices must come down or no 1 will be able to afford "delicacies" like pizza.

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 Nov 17, 2008 at 11:54 PM Anonymous Says:

Lets move out to the new communities in South Fallsburg, Swan Lake then you wont have to have the problem of not affording Pizza and bagels I am sure its not as expensive there.

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 Nov 18, 2008 at 12:56 AM What's Not To Understand Says:

The argument re gas prices is not a good one because trucks use diesel which is still expensive. It takes time for the more expensive product to leave the market and to be replaced with the cheaper stuff. However, there are MANY other reasons why the prices may not come down and one of them has to do with confidence in the economy, which there isnt much of going into the new administration.

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 Nov 18, 2008 at 08:55 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #94  
Anonymous Says:

Moti's (16th ave) Pizza cost 2.25
Amnom's 1.75 per slice

Pizza shops can use anywhere from 2 to 8 ounces on a pie which can be anywhere between 15 and 19 inches.

You can't compare prices and costs before you know the details. Also, some pizza shops use Mozzerella flavored American 'cheese'.

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 Nov 18, 2008 at 09:40 AM Anonymous Says:

my local pizza shop in upstate ny charges 20 for a pie and 27 for a vegtable pie

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 Nov 18, 2008 at 08:03 PM Anonymous Says:

I didn't buy pizza since they raised the price. How about BREAD ! The price did't go down a nickel. I heard one store owner complain to the Baker how come the prices are still so high. (sorry I didn't hear the answer).

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 Nov 19, 2008 at 10:46 AM Rix Says:

Reply to #86  
Anonymous Says:

The cheese prices are the easiest to fix. Buy cholov stam if you are having a hard time feeding your family.

Anyone who can't afford enough food but won't solve the problem by switching to regular brands with an OU is a chosid shoiteh.

I agree whole-heartedly.

I pay about $2 for a pound of Chalov Stam cottage cheese, $2 for 1/2 gallon of milk (that doesn't spoil the next day!), I can buy yogurt on sale for 50-60 cents a cup, a pint of sour cream for about $1- 1.50... Good luck finding anything NEAR that in Chalov Yisrael -- Chalov Stam saves a LOT of money in the long run.

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 Nov 19, 2008 at 10:42 AM Meeshy Says:

I can see both sides.
Since the economy is in such a bad state, fewer people are eating out (even in pizza shops) so keeping their prices high will help them pay rent, employees, and food bills. They have to keep a large enough profit margin...although one could argue that if they drop prices, more people will come eat, and they won't have to worry so much.

Nobody drops prices. Finished. End of story. Oil could go down $35/barrel, and we'd still pay extra $3 delivery charges at all supermarkets, and inflated food prices.

They know you have to feed your family. They have you in the palm of their hands. You're not going to stop buying basic staples.

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