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Rockland County, NY - FBI Raids Ramapo In Yeshivah Education E-Rate Grant Probe

Published on: March 16, 2016 02:33 PM
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Spring Valley Police guarding outside of one of the locations raided today by the FBI (Sandy Eller/VINnews.com)Spring Valley Police guarding outside of one of the locations raided today by the FBI (Sandy Eller/VINnews.com)

Rockland County, NY - Several dozen FBI agents armed with search warrants spread out early this afternoon throughout Ramapo in a raid that is reportedly related to illegal purchase of equipment by religious schools with federal funding allocated for educational technology.

According to The Journal News agents raided several vendors in Monsey and Airmont at approximately 1:30 PM, demanding records related to the purchase of technological equipment through the government’s E-Rate program which distributes over $4 billion to schools nationwide each year for computers and internet access.

Questions were raised by both The Jewish Week and The Forward in 2013 about the high rate of E-Rate dollars being allocated to Jewish schools, many of whom forbid internet usage. 

The Jewish Week reported that an inspector for the Federal Communications Commission’s Office of Inspector General investigated $1 million of technology purchases by the United Talmudic Academy that were subsidized by the program in 1999. While the investigation recommended that $900,000 of the funding be returned because of major violations, no reimbursements were ever made.

Peretz Klein, of Hashomer Alarm Systems in Spring Valley told The Journal News in a 2013 interview that the program was instrumental in providing computers and modern technology in many religious schools.  The E-Rate program, created in 1996, was reportedly a major source of business for Hashomer, with millions of dollars in grants paying for servers, wiring and other technology in schools in both Rockland County and Brooklyn.

A uniformed FBI agent is seen in Rockland County after numerous raids being conducted today (SandyEller.VINnews.com)A uniformed FBI agent is seen in Rockland County after numerous raids being conducted today (SandyEller.VINnews.com)

Hashomer Alarm Systems, is one of several businesses at 29 Robert Pitt Drive, one of the addresses raided by the FBI today.  It is not known if the FBI had a search warrant for the company’s records and calls to Hashomer Alarm Systems went unanswered.  Other addresses that were subject to FBI raids today were 21 Robert Pitt Drive, 161 Route 59 and 386 Route 59.

The raid comes in the shadow of last week’s report that as many as 50 people in Ramapo and Clarkstown, most of whom are elected officials, will be brought up on federal indictments.

The FBI said in a statement “Today, the FBI conducted searches in connection with an ongoing fraud investigation.  If and when charges are filed, they will eventually become public.  This remains an ongoing matter, and we are unable to provide any additional information at this time.”

U.S. Attorney Preet Bhara or Rockland County District Attorney Thomas Zugibe were not available for immediate comment.


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 Mar 16, 2016 at 02:54 PM tuhesofntish Says:

LET THE HATE COMMENTS BEGIN..... HERE WE GO......

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 Mar 16, 2016 at 03:13 PM Shoin Says:

and here we go again. Now You know why there cannot be tuition relief for parents, because any monies given by the government to the schools with the intention to decompress the severe burden on middle class parents will be misappropriated and never trickle down to the parents. The blatant disregard for the laws of this medina shel chesed is disgusting and appalling.

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 Mar 16, 2016 at 03:19 PM grandpajoe Says:

leave it to the forward and jewish week to accuse frum organization - Forward=Jewish Week=NY Times

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 Mar 16, 2016 at 03:37 PM On scene Says:

Officially no arrests being made today, people just being brought in for questioning.

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 Mar 16, 2016 at 04:16 PM bubii Says:

Oy vey iz mir here we go again AD MUSAY?

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 Mar 16, 2016 at 05:56 PM yosher Says:

Reply to #4  
grandpajoe Says:

leave it to the forward and jewish week to accuse frum organization - Forward=Jewish Week=NY Times

you are NOT frum if you steal

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 Mar 16, 2016 at 06:13 PM only convictions count Says:

My limited understanding forces me to state;
Innocent until proven guilty. Even if someone is charged, if found innocent that is the end. Neither I nor most readers know the truth.

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 Mar 16, 2016 at 06:18 PM sheepheadsbayyid Says:

to those that are saying mesirah.

First mesirah is not a get out of jail card. It does not excuse the crime.

secondly, who has to moser. The government sees very public rallies in citi field against the internet and banning it, by the very same mosdos who are claiming millions to hook up internet service in their communities.

Does not take a rocket scientists to figure out that something fishy is going on

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 Mar 16, 2016 at 06:52 PM benny Says:

this is only an investigation, there has been no arrest . all yeshivas get money from this program and the majority use the money for the intended purpose. maybe a few mosdos misused the funds but no major crime here. the anti semitic newspaper writers are blowing this up to make us chasidim look bad but we will imy"h come out of this . its purim time and the way Haman had his mapuleh so will all those sonei yisreilim have their downfall.
so lets get the wine and holoptches ready and be Happy and joy for yom tov.
areereem kol horshooim, berichim kol hazadikim....

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 Mar 16, 2016 at 06:59 PM Anonymous Says:

3.3 million dollars were paid to just one yeshiva and not one computer on the premises. This is my tax money and I work very hard for my money. I hope those involved have not already fled to Israel or south America.

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 Mar 16, 2016 at 07:35 PM puppydogs Says:

Can't wait to see how many Neturei Karta supporters will be arrested in the upcoming days

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 Mar 16, 2016 at 07:49 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Shoin Says:

and here we go again. Now You know why there cannot be tuition relief for parents, because any monies given by the government to the schools with the intention to decompress the severe burden on middle class parents will be misappropriated and never trickle down to the parents. The blatant disregard for the laws of this medina shel chesed is disgusting and appalling.

The money that the mosdos is stealing, although it's totally wrong to do it, actually does releive the burden on low income families.
Again, it's not allowed to steal for any purpose, but the schools are struggling to make ends meet, the money that most parents are paying for tuition doesn't even come close to cover the budget, so the mosdos has to fundraise (or steal) to make ends meet.

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 Mar 16, 2016 at 07:53 PM Anonymous Says:

what a chillul has-m;

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 Mar 16, 2016 at 07:58 PM The_Beadle Says:

Reply to #4  
grandpajoe Says:

leave it to the forward and jewish week to accuse frum organization - Forward=Jewish Week=NY Times

If you don't steal, you're much less likely to have a story in The Forward about you stealing and even less likely than that to be raided by the FBI for it.

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 Mar 16, 2016 at 08:05 PM yussi Says:

-Rate is the commonly used name for the Schools and Libraries Program of the Universal Service Fund, which is administered by the Universal Service Administrative Company (USAC) under the direction of the Federal Communications Commission (FCC). The program provides discounts to assist schools and libraries in the United States to obtain affordable telecommunications and Internet access. It is one of four support programs funded through a Universal Service fee charged to companies that provide interstate and/or international telecommunications services. - See more at: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/397595/the-details-dozens-of-fbi-agents-making-raids-at-multiple-locations-in-monsey-and-kiryas-joel-updated.html#sthash.g1JDnp4B.dpuf

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 Mar 16, 2016 at 08:06 PM kmois Says:

Let the case play out, of course. But lets get realistic. These dozens of chasidish schools took millions of dollars that was specifically earmarked for computer/internet access for the students. The very same internet they are forbidden from using. Seems like an open and shut case of “THOU SHALT NOT STEAL” – you know, one of the ten commandments. Oh wait, dosent apply if you steal from the government right? And as long as you use the stolen money to buy sets of Shas, thats okay too, right? -

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 Mar 16, 2016 at 08:08 PM monsey yid Says:

No arrests have been made. This leads any thinking individual to the conclusion that the FBI hasn’t enough proof for arrests and thus far have only issued warrants for documents and files. Again NO ARRESTS. Just a fishing trip it seems. A very costly one. -

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 Mar 16, 2016 at 08:08 PM RocklandRes Says:

Reply to #1  
tuhesofntish Says:

LET THE HATE COMMENTS BEGIN..... HERE WE GO......

Sorry but stealing is stealing. Doesn't matter who you are, get off your high horse.

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 Mar 16, 2016 at 08:08 PM yoli Says:

The E-Rate program also covers alarm and emergency fire systems – many connected through broadband connections to central stations – which run into the hundreds of thousands of dollars per building. Most if not all yeshivas do have these as they are required by the fire inspector (even those buildings not yet fully compliant with the zoning laws) and thus will be cleared from any wrongdoing. In addition, the claim that there are no computers in yeshivas is ridiculous. The administrative offices do have computers and broadband connections, although filtered. -

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 Mar 16, 2016 at 08:09 PM duvid Says:

Elections coming up. Promise a pardon and all KY will vote for Hillary. It worked on January 20, 2001. -

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 Mar 16, 2016 at 08:13 PM five towns jew Says:

you guys are all crazy. This is money for Internet & it’s pretty clear these places don’t supply Internet for the students. This is not anti semitism, kgb, or all the other very intelligent comments here. This is common thievery. Plain & simple. & if you can’t handle getting caught don’t do something so stupid. I mean all they do is scream all day about Internet & now this?? You can’t make it up. They deserve to go to jail -

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 Mar 16, 2016 at 08:31 PM Yoely from Willi Says:

nice dreams, we are here to stay. עם ישראל חי

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 Mar 16, 2016 at 08:44 PM Rational Says:

Jewish Week narrative differentiating Hassidic schools and Catholic schools are misleading and deceptive. They try to show high proportion of funds allocated to Hassidic Schools versus the lower numbers given to Catholic schools. What they don’t point out is that Chasidic schools like the UTA and Machne Shalve have in excess of 3500 Students. Versus the Catholic schools that have an average of 300 Students. The program is to advance technology in low income community schools. Technology can be interpreted as phone systems, cellphones, computer systems that would INCLUDE internet with a FILTER. No Hassidic sect has outlawed the internet as they perceive. They have outlawed internet WITHOUT a filter. The cost of filtered internet, filtered cellphones and internet religious education are far more costly than unlimited internet phones computers etc. A Kosher phone cost on average of $87.10 for 2000 Minutes versus a Unfiltered phone that cost an average of $30.00 for the same amount of minutes. The laws were not written correctly to reflect these delicate issues. The billing system for E- Rate should be corrected instead of investigating the Chasidic institutions for having..NEXT POST

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 Mar 16, 2016 at 08:46 PM Anonymous Says:

Oy vey iz mir here we go again AD MUSAY?
here we go again. Now You know why there cannot be tuition relief for parents, because any monies given by the government to the schools with the intention to decompress the severe burden on middle class parents will be misappropriated and never trickle down to the parents. The blatant disregard for the laws of this medina shel chesed is disgusting and appalling.

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 Mar 16, 2016 at 08:47 PM Rational Says:

The billing system for E- Rate should be corrected instead of investigating the Chasidic institutions for having to bill in a incorrect manner. The struggle of a Hassidic school that has to juggle between an advancing world and keep its religious values intact should not be a matter up for public disgrace . The Jewish Week should focus and target the Government that they should address the exact needs of the Hasidic Communities. History repeats itself as Moses Said 2900 Years ago. "NOW I UNDERSTAND WHY THE JEWISH PEOPLE ARE SUBJECT TO PERSECUTION BECAUSE THEY HAVE THEIR OWN BRETHEN HAND OVER EACH OTHER TO THE ENEMY"

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 Mar 16, 2016 at 08:47 PM bubii Says:

Reply to #1  
tuhesofntish Says:

LET THE HATE COMMENTS BEGIN..... HERE WE GO......

In your eyes if someone likes justice it automatically means hate,you show your true colors we see were you are coming from .

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 Mar 16, 2016 at 08:51 PM Liepa Says:

If the FBI had any real evidence they would make arrests and not wait. They are just raiding and confiscating materials that might aid them in making arrests, guess what it wont help them in the least !

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 Mar 16, 2016 at 08:52 PM mewhoze Says:

why cant they learn Shas on the computer?
there are such programs

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 Mar 16, 2016 at 09:01 PM yaakov doe Says:

Reply to #4  
grandpajoe Says:

leave it to the forward and jewish week to accuse frum organization - Forward=Jewish Week=NY Times

There should be no grounds for the frequent allegations made by these 2 anti frum papers. Unfortunately some of our people interpret the Torah contrary to the correct way. The Torah that I received at Har Sinai has no loopholes for dealing with government money.

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 Mar 16, 2016 at 09:21 PM Again! Says:

How many people are doing time because they said, "They are never going to catch me"?
Do the crime, do the time!

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 Mar 16, 2016 at 09:59 PM fat36 Says:

Reply to #4  
grandpajoe Says:

leave it to the forward and jewish week to accuse frum organization - Forward=Jewish Week=NY Times

If they wouldn't do things that are not appropriate but there wouldn't be anything to report it to things that are not appropriate you pay the price.

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 Mar 16, 2016 at 10:02 PM DOVE1 Says:

Eat your heart out I'm glad to be satmar.to bad you don't feel what i feel .you are full of hate and I'm sure you hate your life and your surroundings .I feel bad for your family

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 Mar 16, 2016 at 10:47 PM ayoyo Says:

Like the pell grants that were not properly allocated and misused, this is another federal program that was taken advantage of. We need more -kosher supervision - by our people to make sure that the programs aren't misused . The evil inclination stands behind every dollar of funding,telling, take ,take, it's free.and people don't stand up against the invitation to steal.We have to learn lots of mussar to be strong and honest.

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 Mar 16, 2016 at 11:08 PM downtoearth Says:

maybe their Rabbi said you don't have to use the money for EXACTLY what it was meant for

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 Mar 16, 2016 at 11:44 PM Micka Says:

Reply to #3  
Shoin Says:

and here we go again. Now You know why there cannot be tuition relief for parents, because any monies given by the government to the schools with the intention to decompress the severe burden on middle class parents will be misappropriated and never trickle down to the parents. The blatant disregard for the laws of this medina shel chesed is disgusting and appalling.

1) The government doesn't give ANY funding in order to decompress the burden, they frankly couldn't care less. Though it could be a side intention it is never the primary reason for funds.
2) Funding that Yeshivas get are in addition to what parents pay. These funds are necessary. I know for a fact that most yeshivas rely on tuition to cover only 50 - 65% of their budget. The rest is a conglomerate of fundraising and 'alternative' sources such as grants and government funding. Why would you think that government funding has your pocket in mind?
Furthermore, any funding they give is for specific non-Limud reasons. That money goes to that area (sometimes grey, never black) and is used in that or closely related capacity (spending needs to be approved and proved)
3) If you dare say that Yeshivas have an inflated budget, let me bust your bubble. Yeshivas are by nature the most persistent in in cutting costs, more than any other type of business. Rebbes get paid less than the average poverty income, and no administrator, which is a full CEO position, waltz's off with bags of gold. In fact I know two young administrators who still RENT their apartments... so

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 Mar 17, 2016 at 08:19 AM WiseDude Says:

If you wonder why there are so few returning to Torah from the Reform, Conservative and unaffiliated just look at these news stories and you know why. New York has millions of Jews but very few return to Torah. why? chillul hashem such as this. This turns them off totally.

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 Mar 17, 2016 at 08:50 AM yonasonw Says:

Common, aren't any of you even a bit embarrassed? And your protests and disclaimers are disingenuous. You have never heard anyone give thumb twirling drush on how it's "not really" geneva to use government money for "Toyrah?"

Whatever happens now is the result of "erliche Yidden" using their hoshkokah pratis to kick in the teeth and mock a government that shows us much respect and deference.

Shameful

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 Mar 17, 2016 at 09:38 AM yonasonw Says:

Reply to #42  
Micka Says:

1) The government doesn't give ANY funding in order to decompress the burden, they frankly couldn't care less. Though it could be a side intention it is never the primary reason for funds.
2) Funding that Yeshivas get are in addition to what parents pay. These funds are necessary. I know for a fact that most yeshivas rely on tuition to cover only 50 - 65% of their budget. The rest is a conglomerate of fundraising and 'alternative' sources such as grants and government funding. Why would you think that government funding has your pocket in mind?
Furthermore, any funding they give is for specific non-Limud reasons. That money goes to that area (sometimes grey, never black) and is used in that or closely related capacity (spending needs to be approved and proved)
3) If you dare say that Yeshivas have an inflated budget, let me bust your bubble. Yeshivas are by nature the most persistent in in cutting costs, more than any other type of business. Rebbes get paid less than the average poverty income, and no administrator, which is a full CEO position, waltz's off with bags of gold. In fact I know two young administrators who still RENT their apartments... so

So all this is this all a justification for fraud?

And by the way...the yeshiva gedolah rebbeim who live locally in my community, as well as most of the community kollel yungeleit, have rather nice homes in the better side of town. Just the facts.

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 Mar 17, 2016 at 10:03 AM thett Says:

Reply to #27  
five towns jew Says:

you guys are all crazy. This is money for Internet & it’s pretty clear these places don’t supply Internet for the students. This is not anti semitism, kgb, or all the other very intelligent comments here. This is common thievery. Plain & simple. & if you can’t handle getting caught don’t do something so stupid. I mean all they do is scream all day about Internet & now this?? You can’t make it up. They deserve to go to jail -

wait till you "innocent" person gets intangled with the such good fbi agents

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 Mar 17, 2016 at 10:05 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #35  
mewhoze Says:

why cant they learn Shas on the computer?
there are such programs

becaus they dont wanna look like you when they grow up

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 Mar 17, 2016 at 10:06 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #43  
WiseDude Says:

If you wonder why there are so few returning to Torah from the Reform, Conservative and unaffiliated just look at these news stories and you know why. New York has millions of Jews but very few return to Torah. why? chillul hashem such as this. This turns them off totally.

there are so many nice things about us if they would really want they eould come to us

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 Mar 17, 2016 at 11:30 AM Moishe_Mechel Says:

but if can b used 4 a duvur shebikdisha its mittir

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 Mar 17, 2016 at 11:50 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
sheepheadsbayyid Says:

to those that are saying mesirah.

First mesirah is not a get out of jail card. It does not excuse the crime.

secondly, who has to moser. The government sees very public rallies in citi field against the internet and banning it, by the very same mosdos who are claiming millions to hook up internet service in their communities.

Does not take a rocket scientists to figure out that something fishy is going on

Citifield never banned the internet. It allowed internet with filters in the work place. Thus government money is being used for proper safe internet in schools. Thats exactly what all parties want.

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 Mar 17, 2016 at 12:03 PM Just Wondering.... Says:

How come this only happens in the Chasedisha Yeshivas but not in the Litvish Yeshivas???

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 Mar 17, 2016 at 12:13 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #30  
Rational Says:

Jewish Week narrative differentiating Hassidic schools and Catholic schools are misleading and deceptive. They try to show high proportion of funds allocated to Hassidic Schools versus the lower numbers given to Catholic schools. What they don’t point out is that Chasidic schools like the UTA and Machne Shalve have in excess of 3500 Students. Versus the Catholic schools that have an average of 300 Students. The program is to advance technology in low income community schools. Technology can be interpreted as phone systems, cellphones, computer systems that would INCLUDE internet with a FILTER. No Hassidic sect has outlawed the internet as they perceive. They have outlawed internet WITHOUT a filter. The cost of filtered internet, filtered cellphones and internet religious education are far more costly than unlimited internet phones computers etc. A Kosher phone cost on average of $87.10 for 2000 Minutes versus a Unfiltered phone that cost an average of $30.00 for the same amount of minutes. The laws were not written correctly to reflect these delicate issues. The billing system for E- Rate should be corrected instead of investigating the Chasidic institutions for having..NEXT POST

So the government should pay for kosher phones? A novel idea An even better than Obama phone.
By the way those $30 a month plans can get very strong filters that won't allow anything inappropprite rated as for children above 13 yrs of age. Because you till live in the stone ages and can't text is not a government problem

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 Mar 17, 2016 at 11:16 AM Chachom Says:

Reply to #42  
Micka Says:

1) The government doesn't give ANY funding in order to decompress the burden, they frankly couldn't care less. Though it could be a side intention it is never the primary reason for funds.
2) Funding that Yeshivas get are in addition to what parents pay. These funds are necessary. I know for a fact that most yeshivas rely on tuition to cover only 50 - 65% of their budget. The rest is a conglomerate of fundraising and 'alternative' sources such as grants and government funding. Why would you think that government funding has your pocket in mind?
Furthermore, any funding they give is for specific non-Limud reasons. That money goes to that area (sometimes grey, never black) and is used in that or closely related capacity (spending needs to be approved and proved)
3) If you dare say that Yeshivas have an inflated budget, let me bust your bubble. Yeshivas are by nature the most persistent in in cutting costs, more than any other type of business. Rebbes get paid less than the average poverty income, and no administrator, which is a full CEO position, waltz's off with bags of gold. In fact I know two young administrators who still RENT their apartments... so

Agreed! In fact THE biggest fraud of all is our Teacher Unions, and NY Public School system, where MILLIONS are spent and contracts go for the one with the connections, billed at whatever inflated price..

In fact, NY has the highest cost per student nation wide, with the poorest education to show for. If you take the PS cost per student and compare what per student of Jewish Schools are receiving via legal or illegal its a drop in the bucket ...

The School system would have been much more efficient and economical if privatized to a sense, but the Teachers Union is way too powerful...

Its about time All Frum Mosdos and Parents should unite and register all thousands of students into our community PS for the coming year!!

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 Mar 17, 2016 at 12:50 PM Moshe Says:

Reply to #51  
Just Wondering.... Says:

How come this only happens in the Chasedisha Yeshivas but not in the Litvish Yeshivas???

Unfortunately that is not true. How about Yeshivas that take grants for security, and only use part of the funds for its intended purpose? That does not seem legitimate.

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 Mar 17, 2016 at 01:49 PM shoin Says:

Reply to #17  
Anonymous Says:

The money that the mosdos is stealing, although it's totally wrong to do it, actually does releive the burden on low income families.
Again, it's not allowed to steal for any purpose, but the schools are struggling to make ends meet, the money that most parents are paying for tuition doesn't even come close to cover the budget, so the mosdos has to fundraise (or steal) to make ends meet.

And which chelek of shulchan aruch is this logic written in. I do believe "thou shall not lie" is written in big bold letters.

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 Mar 17, 2016 at 01:50 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #17  
Anonymous Says:

The money that the mosdos is stealing, although it's totally wrong to do it, actually does releive the burden on low income families.
Again, it's not allowed to steal for any purpose, but the schools are struggling to make ends meet, the money that most parents are paying for tuition doesn't even come close to cover the budget, so the mosdos has to fundraise (or steal) to make ends meet.

Never justify theft and fraud! Is this what our kinder learn from you?

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 Mar 17, 2016 at 01:52 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #23  
monsey yid Says:

No arrests have been made. This leads any thinking individual to the conclusion that the FBI hasn’t enough proof for arrests and thus far have only issued warrants for documents and files. Again NO ARRESTS. Just a fishing trip it seems. A very costly one. -

Arrests made today. Why are you lying?

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 Mar 17, 2016 at 01:57 PM shoin Says:

Reply to #42  
Micka Says:

1) The government doesn't give ANY funding in order to decompress the burden, they frankly couldn't care less. Though it could be a side intention it is never the primary reason for funds.
2) Funding that Yeshivas get are in addition to what parents pay. These funds are necessary. I know for a fact that most yeshivas rely on tuition to cover only 50 - 65% of their budget. The rest is a conglomerate of fundraising and 'alternative' sources such as grants and government funding. Why would you think that government funding has your pocket in mind?
Furthermore, any funding they give is for specific non-Limud reasons. That money goes to that area (sometimes grey, never black) and is used in that or closely related capacity (spending needs to be approved and proved)
3) If you dare say that Yeshivas have an inflated budget, let me bust your bubble. Yeshivas are by nature the most persistent in in cutting costs, more than any other type of business. Rebbes get paid less than the average poverty income, and no administrator, which is a full CEO position, waltz's off with bags of gold. In fact I know two young administrators who still RENT their apartments... so

you missed my point. I agree that yeshivas need to scrape by and that the rabbeim are paid less than they deserve. However, its is stories like this that goyisha politicians see and say here there is a push for a tax credit to parents (which by the way would incentivize parents to actually be forthcoming with there true income and tuition payments to the yeshiva) look what they do with the money they already got they use it inappropriately and lie. it paints us in a bad light and the ones affected are the parents actually paying full tuition.

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 Mar 17, 2016 at 02:11 PM Anonymous Says:

Up to 200 feds now. My block is swarming. For all of you who justify stealing massive sums from the government, think about the shame it brings when the feds enter your house and all the neighborhood watches. Maybe this will deter someone from stealing. The entire world is discussing us. Why can't we just be honest? Do we really need millions in our pockets?

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 Mar 17, 2016 at 05:22 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #12  
benny Says:

this is only an investigation, there has been no arrest . all yeshivas get money from this program and the majority use the money for the intended purpose. maybe a few mosdos misused the funds but no major crime here. the anti semitic newspaper writers are blowing this up to make us chasidim look bad but we will imy"h come out of this . its purim time and the way Haman had his mapuleh so will all those sonei yisreilim have their downfall.
so lets get the wine and holoptches ready and be Happy and joy for yom tov.
areereem kol horshooim, berichim kol hazadikim....

If you had any knowledge of the outside world, you would know that most Americans do not know what a chassid is and have never seen one. How could they possibly make a community they don't know exists look bad?

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 Mar 17, 2016 at 05:42 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #32  
Rational Says:

The billing system for E- Rate should be corrected instead of investigating the Chasidic institutions for having to bill in a incorrect manner. The struggle of a Hassidic school that has to juggle between an advancing world and keep its religious values intact should not be a matter up for public disgrace . The Jewish Week should focus and target the Government that they should address the exact needs of the Hasidic Communities. History repeats itself as Moses Said 2900 Years ago. "NOW I UNDERSTAND WHY THE JEWISH PEOPLE ARE SUBJECT TO PERSECUTION BECAUSE THEY HAVE THEIR OWN BRETHEN HAND OVER EACH OTHER TO THE ENEMY"

The bill doesn't have to be corrected rather us fruma shouldn't think that just because there is a program out there its a mitzva to milk it for no reason. Let their be a program for internet. We have no need for most of that money as internet is not part of our education. So OK so be it. Why do we NEED to tack onto every program.

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 Mar 17, 2016 at 05:44 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #37  
Again! Says:

How many people are doing time because they said, "They are never going to catch me"?
Do the crime, do the time!

That's such a silly statement. I am not judging this case per say. But we wlll make mistakes. To justfiy locking non violent offenders up for 25 years is just plan wicked.

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 Mar 17, 2016 at 05:50 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #53  
Chachom Says:

Agreed! In fact THE biggest fraud of all is our Teacher Unions, and NY Public School system, where MILLIONS are spent and contracts go for the one with the connections, billed at whatever inflated price..

In fact, NY has the highest cost per student nation wide, with the poorest education to show for. If you take the PS cost per student and compare what per student of Jewish Schools are receiving via legal or illegal its a drop in the bucket ...

The School system would have been much more efficient and economical if privatized to a sense, but the Teachers Union is way too powerful...

Its about time All Frum Mosdos and Parents should unite and register all thousands of students into our community PS for the coming year!!

Comparing public schools to jewish private schools is a nonsense. You leave out the demographic sociological difference. Children who live in stable mid income homes will do better than immigrants who live in poor singe parent crime ridden homes. Of course it costs more to teach disadvantaged children. But that doesn't make the system a failure. Its a tough challenge to teach those kids.
Also the cost per student typically quoted includes built in set costs like pensions to reitirees etc.. One has to analyze how much it purley costs just to educate each child

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 Mar 17, 2016 at 08:09 PM Micka Says:

Reply to #58  
shoin Says:

you missed my point. I agree that yeshivas need to scrape by and that the rabbeim are paid less than they deserve. However, its is stories like this that goyisha politicians see and say here there is a push for a tax credit to parents (which by the way would incentivize parents to actually be forthcoming with there true income and tuition payments to the yeshiva) look what they do with the money they already got they use it inappropriately and lie. it paints us in a bad light and the ones affected are the parents actually paying full tuition.

That is correct, I did miss your point. However in the climate of blasting yeshivas as greedy and self-fulfilling I understood your comment as an attack on Yeshivas themselves. Bottom line is that it is a hard Nessoin (challenge) to be honest when you think no one will see, and its for a good cause. Yet for the sake of our Chinuch we should focus on the primary - honesty and Emes above all else. Our Provider will send the funds necessary from a more honest source. Hashem should help that we learn this lesson quickly before it escalates any further.

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 Mar 17, 2016 at 08:16 PM Micka Says:

Reply to #60  
Anonymous Says:

If you had any knowledge of the outside world, you would know that most Americans do not know what a chassid is and have never seen one. How could they possibly make a community they don't know exists look bad?

Oiy, this is naive. Of course an average joe doesn't know about Chassids. But most educated people know, and despise us for our old fashioned look to our disregard of their culture and ideals. Did you ever see Wolf Blitzers face when he talks about "those orthodox-Jews"? It is a mix of gleeful disgust! Or the only reason the Forward still exists is to occasionally glorify themselves with a nasty 'expose' of Charadi life. The fact is they know of us and wait, when we make a mistake, Hashem allows them to fulfill their evil intentions.

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 Mar 18, 2016 at 12:00 AM searchoftruth Says:

people commit sins and teshuva makes it all good again as if it was never done. it is assur to say true negative things about another jewish person, speaking about the avairos of another person or more so about a whole community wheather it is true or not is assur. especially in a public forum where so many people are able to read it. it is debatable wheather there is an aveira of gezel by a goy.certainly not under lo sigzol.if anyone has a practical shaila about this they can certainly ask their rabbi ad receive a clear cut psak. everybody has their own areas to work on the more they focus their attention on the wrong that others are doing the less the can and care to focus on themselves.this is the only way to help counteract the gezairos that may be in place

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 Mar 18, 2016 at 12:06 PM Realist77 Says:

Many Rabbis now wish they had internet access at their schools.

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 Mar 18, 2016 at 01:38 PM RocklandRes Says:

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monsey yid Says:

No arrests have been made. This leads any thinking individual to the conclusion that the FBI hasn’t enough proof for arrests and thus far have only issued warrants for documents and files. Again NO ARRESTS. Just a fishing trip it seems. A very costly one. -

The FBI is gathering evidence and will get people to talk. What did Moshe Stern do when faced with 400+ years in prison? There will be prosecutions.

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 Mar 18, 2016 at 05:55 PM chanlub Says:

Reply to #66  
searchoftruth Says:

people commit sins and teshuva makes it all good again as if it was never done. it is assur to say true negative things about another jewish person, speaking about the avairos of another person or more so about a whole community wheather it is true or not is assur. especially in a public forum where so many people are able to read it. it is debatable wheather there is an aveira of gezel by a goy.certainly not under lo sigzol.if anyone has a practical shaila about this they can certainly ask their rabbi ad receive a clear cut psak. everybody has their own areas to work on the more they focus their attention on the wrong that others are doing the less the can and care to focus on themselves.this is the only way to help counteract the gezairos that may be in place

Funny if they will find computers in all the mosdot. You never know.......After all, people commit sins and teshuva makes it all good again as if it was never Maybe they .asked their rabbi ad receive a clear cut psak that computerif paid for by the government. Bottom line is that we need kosher food and Chalav Yisroel in the prisons!!!

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 Mar 18, 2016 at 06:02 PM chan lub Says:

Reply to #6  
bubii Says:

Oy vey iz mir here we go again AD MUSAY?

AD MUSAY??? Until you stop treating money as the most important think in the Jewish community

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 Mar 18, 2016 at 06:13 PM Anonymous Says:

Just wait until the FBI/IRS starts busting these folks for all the welfare/tax fraud that goes on. Nowhere on planet earth are there this many "single mothers" with 7 kids.

This is only the tip of the iceberg.

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