New York City - Council Members Want Legislation To Ban Bottled Water Coolers In Gov. Offices |
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"New York City has some of the cleanest and best-tasting tap water in the world, and we should use it," said Councilman Gioia. "There is no reason to be paying a thousand times more to use bottled water, which also hurts the environment and contributes to traffic congestion.
This is a common-sense and environmentally friendly proposal that will save the city money." "It is a bit hypocritical for the city to be buying bottled water when it has been urging New Yorkers to drink tap water. New York City has the best water in the world. When we are discussing tax increases and
The Gioia and Felder legislation would prohibit the City from buying bottled water and single serve bottles. Prohibiting the City from purchasing water bottles and water coolers from all city offices will
save the city money, reduce pollution, and reduce congestion. In place of water bottles and coolers, agencies and government offices could purchase coolers which hook up directly to taps and water pipes to provide cool or hot water. New York City has already installed 9 of these coolers in a pilot program.
New York City has some of the cleanest water in the country, and it is extremely healthy. Every day, approximately 1.1 billion gallons of fresh water is delivered from 19 large upstate reservoirs and three
controlled lakes to New York City. Last year, the United States Environmental Protection Agency affirmed the high quality of New York City tap water by extending a waiver that allows the City to enjoy unfiltered water.
Several cities have been able to reduce their budgets by prohibiting the city purchase of single use water bottles and coolers. In 2007, San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom was able to save taxpayers $500,000 by banning spending on bottled water. This was in response to a study by the San Francisco Chronicle which found that from 2005 to 2006, San Francisco spent $2 million on bottled water. Additionally, city departments on city property were required to switch to water dispensers that attached to taps or water pipes that used city water.
The dispensers cost approximately $400, but their long term savings more than make up for their short term cost. Other cities which have banned water bottles include Seattle, which passed a ban in 2008, and Los Angeles, where Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa ordered city agencies to stop purchasing bottled water after a report found that the city had spent close to $90,000 on bottled water in 2005. In New York City, bottled water costs several thousand times more than tap water, and even the cheapest wholesalers still costs approximately 1,000 times more than tap.
In addition to the financial considerations, water bottles produce a lot of unnecessary waste. According to the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation, more than 31 billion bottles of water were purchased in 2006. Of those 31 billion, NYS DEC found that only 10% of bottles were recycled, and that 90% were thrown out, enough to circle the earth nearly 150 times. Other estimates put the number as high as 37 billion plastic bottles being thrown out.
Furthermore, by banning water bottles purchases by city agencies, New York will be able to help reduce air pollution. According to the Earth Policy Institute, it takes approximately 1.5 million barrels of oil to make the water bottles that Americans consume each year. A study by the Pacific Institute found that the energy used for pumping, processing, transporting, and refrigeration results in an annual
fossil fuel footprint of roughly 50 million barrels of oil, enough to run 3 million cars for a year. New York City water by contrast uses little or no oil to get to the City - relying mostly on the forces of gravity to get from the reservoirs and lakes to New Yorkers' faucets.
Lastly, New York would be able to relieve traffic from trucks delivering water to city agencies. Trucks, which are among the biggest causes of traffic in the City, often idle outside government
offices and buildings while delivering water, causing traffic to pile up behind them.
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Nov 30, 2008 at 01:54 PM Government is not the solution to our problems, Government IS our problem Says:
I guess Simcha holds you could drink the water in NY unless he will have his own filter installed in City Hall.
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Nov 30, 2008 at 02:17 PM murray Says:
who is going to pay the Dr. bills when people get sick to their stomach from the water or get lead poisoning?
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Nov 30, 2008 at 02:43 PM UBET Says:
What about the worms in the water????
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Nov 30, 2008 at 03:00 PM Anonymous Says:
this is funny but true, bloomberg said afew weeks ago that we have the best tap water let him use it as well
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Nov 30, 2008 at 03:10 PM Anonymous Says:
i love this one finaly they are looking for ways to cut spending in there own offices
bloomberg is busy looking out the window to see how he can tax us OUT THERE he sees traffic, people shopping ,cops..... he thinks how can i get more money?
he see lots of traffic he thinks how good wold it be to have more toll boths
hey there is an extra cop out there lets cut cops
people are shopping maybe we can tax there shopping bags
then he sees a the traffic agent writing a ticket to the guy that went shopping his 25 cents ran out one second ago bloomberg becomes happy and sais YES WAY TO GO lets get more of THEM!
SO we say
YES its a good idea first look INSIDE in your office first
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Nov 30, 2008 at 03:10 PM To: murray and UBET Says:
a water filter will take care of that problem and these machines tend to have an internal water filter
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Nov 30, 2008 at 03:08 PM Anonymous Says:
“ I guess Simcha holds you could drink the water in NY unless he will have his own filter installed in City Hall. ”
and what is wrong with him having his own water filter it will still come out cheaper then using bottled water
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Nov 30, 2008 at 04:01 PM mewhoze Says:
the water maybe one of the best but some city agencies are in very old buildings where the pipes are old and rusted and you can see that when you use the bathroom sink to wash your hands.
would they like their family members to drink water with rust and who knows what else in it?
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Nov 30, 2008 at 04:25 PM Anonymous Says:
“ the water maybe one of the best but some city agencies are in very old buildings where the pipes are old and rusted and you can see that when you use the bathroom sink to wash your hands.
would they like their family members to drink water with rust and who knows what else in it? ”
You might be right that its matbe non drinkable, but how about having a full fridge of Snaple, Coke, Etc. Why should taxpayers pay for drinks, and how about Lunch?
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Nov 30, 2008 at 05:01 PM Big Masmid Says:
who thinks that Felder has a Kashrus problem with bottled water?
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Nov 30, 2008 at 04:20 PM murray Says:
“ a water filter will take care of that problem and these machines tend to have an internal water filter ”
And are you aware that a water filter that is Not maintained is Worse than no filter at all. I am ok with the filter if they change or maintain them properly and have independent periodic water analysis by an independent party.
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Nov 30, 2008 at 04:14 PM bluumberg Says:
why do they need a law; just curtail the purchase via executive order
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Nov 30, 2008 at 05:55 PM Anonymous Says:
“ And are you aware that a water filter that is Not maintained is Worse than no filter at all. I am ok with the filter if they change or maintain them properly and have independent periodic water analysis by an independent party. ”
i dont see them having a problem spending money to change the filter
and once the water starts to taste a bit off they will quickly change it even if its not necessary to change it just then
(though i'm impressed that you are so concerned about it that it would make it ok to spend extra money on bottled water)
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Nov 30, 2008 at 07:02 PM bigwheeel Says:
“ this is funny but true, bloomberg said afew weeks ago that we have the best tap water let him use it as well
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I agree that after [soon-to-be-ex] Mayor Bloomberg praised the NYC tap water, as the healthiest and cleanest around, it would be the ultimate irony and act of hypocrisy for the City to purchase and distribute bottled [spring] water. It's apt to say the following; "Put your mouth where your money is"! Truthfully, we all know how clean and good-tasting NYC tap water is. At least in our part of Brooklyn! When [almost] everyone started using filters, ours clogged in Two days! So much for "clean" water. As far as the "Iron" taste of unfiltered water is concerned, I'm pretty certain it's unhealthy, too!!!
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Nov 30, 2008 at 08:11 PM Anonymous Says:
This is typical political propaganda. These cuts are good press but that's about it. The REAL financial solutions rejected because the aren't popular. The resident expert (at least according to the council) 's bills have been rejected... And we are going to dig for scraps out of a revenue stream that's going to prob be reduced by 20-20%... Bloomberg is ready to make tough decisions (maybe not the right ones but at least ones he believes in). The rest of these guys are just attention seeking whores
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Nov 30, 2008 at 09:57 PM wellsyswater@gmail.com Says:
They have a very strong good point which i have been advocating for a while as besides the expense, bottled water is not the healthiest version as it is not live fresh water and the bottles themselves are unhygenic to say the least. It's about time somebody woke up and realized the wasted resource of bottled water.
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Nov 30, 2008 at 10:32 PM Anonymous Says:
“ why do they need a law; just curtail the purchase via executive order ”
Looks like the Mayor doesn't know how to cut City expenses so Felder is trying to force the City by creating a law to stop Goverment waste.
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Nov 30, 2008 at 10:31 PM Favish Says:
Since the Mayor wants us to flip the bill for the City I would like to know where all the Money is going. By reading NYC.GOV website I came accross Community Boards. Each Board has a office and a District Manager with some employees. There are 59 boards in the City and they are under CAU and run by the Bourogh Presidents office.
Does anyone know what a community Board does? Maybe the City should cut these offices and save money and won't need us to flip the Citys bills.
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Nov 30, 2008 at 10:37 PM Anonymous Says:
“ who thinks that Felder has a Kashrus problem with bottled water? ”
Explaination please!!!
Whats does kashrus have to do with this?
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Nov 30, 2008 at 10:34 PM Anonymous Says:
“ What about the worms in the water???? ”
Felder is not trying to create a law by telling us what to drink and when to drink. He is trying to cut the City's budget.
If you want to buy bottled water this law won't affect you at all.
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Nov 30, 2008 at 10:24 PM Anonymous Says:
I just don't get all you complainers against Felder.
Instead of going after the people to cover the budget Felder and others are going after themselfs to cut the budget.
The shame is that you need to create a law to have the City cut its budget. Lets all unite and who ever knows of any other cuts the City could take with out affecting our services should post it, call their councilman, call the 311 hotline and so on maybe someone will do the job.
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Nov 30, 2008 at 11:22 PM Anonymous Says:
Oy, its liberal environmental wackos at it again!
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Dec 01, 2008 at 01:00 AM Anonymous Says:
People please start reading before posting comments!!!
Finally an elected official is trying to do what he was elected to do and everyone here is posting comments like you would think Felder is trying to tax us again.
Felder is trying to force the City to cut spending and not touching our pockets and everyone has a negitive comment. Come on guys you want laws that will cost us more money?
Felder you are doing the right thing and ignore these comments and please come up with other items the City could cut and avoid increasing taxes on us to cover up all these phoney expenses.
Good Job Councilman!!!
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Dec 01, 2008 at 09:40 AM mewhoze Says:
what else would simcha like us to cut? perhaps lighting in the office too? we can sit in the dark until dusk and then use the lights so we can save electricity.
i know people who work in 51 chambers. its an old old building. no one there wants to drink the water out of the tap.
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Dec 01, 2008 at 10:14 AM DEEPTHINKER Says:
Sorry, Simcha, you don't have the facts. New York City water contains at least two deadly poisons--Chlorine and Flourine.
These have to removed by filtering, before you can safely drink the water. The U.S. Government has officially warned mothers not to use flouridated water to make baby formula.
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Dec 01, 2008 at 11:03 AM Anonymous Says:
"...bottled water is not the healthiest version as it is not live fresh water and the bottles themselves are unhygenic to say the least. It's about time somebody woke up and realized the wasted resource of bottled water..."
True. The best water source is Reverse Osmosis Filtered water, which removes all poisons, or Perrier in glass bottles.
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Dec 01, 2008 at 11:34 AM Concerned Member Says:
As mentioned above this could have been accomplished half a dozen other ways, primarily through an executive order.
Sounds like typical behavior by Felder and Gioia (two councilmen with higher political ambitions) who wish to get in the papers.
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Dec 01, 2008 at 11:46 AM Anonymous Says:
Good thinking Councilman. Instead of taxing us to death to cover the City budget you are cutting City's extras to cover the budget.
Please come up with more extras the City spends that could be cut and won't hurt the main street people. Wonder why Bloomberg as a CEO and business person can't come up with such types of cuts.
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Dec 01, 2008 at 12:06 PM Deepthinker Says:
Simcha: Your heart is in the right place, but your brain is not in gear--You are misinformed.
The main expense that is busting budgets at the local. state, and Federal levels is "Healthcare."--Especially the huge increae in expenditures for High-Tech "Toys" and expensive patent prescription drugs.
"Healthcare is 16% of the National budget, compared to 8% in other Western countries. Cutting out bottled water to save money is a "drop in the bucket."
When the Government finally realizes that it is cheaper to prevent illnesses than to control symptoms with drugs, you will cut the budget for real..
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Dec 01, 2008 at 01:29 PM mewhoze Says:
if our mayor was the CEO and leader extraordinaire that he thinks he is, nyc would not be in the fiscal crisis it is in now. CEO b'berg had 8 years to prevent this from happening.
he did goornisht other than waste lots of $$ on little cement medians and trees and bike lanes that even the fdny cant drive past due to losing space.
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Dec 03, 2008 at 02:13 PM Mayim Chayim Says:
If this is done,Jews will have to bring their own water with them. Remember,the rabbonim require filtering of all NYC drinking tap water due to tiny insects. So why does a frum councilman want to make hardships for his fellow-Jews?