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Jerusalem - A small somber ceremony with several hundred people was held early Tuesday morning at Ben Gurion International Airport for the six people murdered in last week’s terror attack on Mumbai, India, The plane carrying their caskets touched down shortly before midnight.

An IDF officer was stationed before each flag-draped coffin with the name of the victim. Attending the ceremony were ministers Yaakov Edery and Eli Yishai, accompanied by the Admor from Gur and Vishnitz.

The Levay’s are expected to be held later in the day. Tens of thousands are expected to attend to pay their last respect, VIN News will post details shortly.


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 Dec 01, 2008 at 07:26 PM Babishka Says:

Hamakom yenakom domom

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 07:20 PM Anonymous Says:

toldos avrum yitzcok rebbe was there?

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 07:17 PM Anonymous Says:


Somber Ceremony? How about some revenge? When will we finally teach these SUBHUMAN CREATURES a lesson and bomb their terrorist holdouts into oblivion??

And i'm not a right wing nut, but when will these people be taught a lesson that would make them think twice before causing so much pain with their barbaric subhuman acts of violence????

And i'm well aware that these creatures are suicidal maniacs. But if they would know that we would revenge each and every terrorist attack upon their terrorist friends by making them suffer the same tortures that these sub humans inflict upon their innocent victims, than maybe just maybe they WILL think twice.

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 07:12 PM Oy Gevald Says:

Al eleh ani bochiyah. Eini, eini, yordoh mayim.

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 07:08 PM Anonymous Says:

HY"D!!! lets all unite at this time. From Chabad to Satmar and everyone in the middle lets unite as one with one heart for each other. The time has come for משיח lets show respect to one another regardless to the way they serve Hashem. The bottom line is they serve Hashem.

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 07:06 PM Big Masmid Says:

An IDF officer was stationed before each flag-draped coffin with the name of the victim. Could some one please explain, what benefit will the Neshomos of the victims have from an IDF ceremony.

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 07:47 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:


Somber Ceremony? How about some revenge? When will we finally teach these SUBHUMAN CREATURES a lesson and bomb their terrorist holdouts into oblivion??

And i'm not a right wing nut, but when will these people be taught a lesson that would make them think twice before causing so much pain with their barbaric subhuman acts of violence????

And i'm well aware that these creatures are suicidal maniacs. But if they would know that we would revenge each and every terrorist attack upon their terrorist friends by making them suffer the same tortures that these sub humans inflict upon their innocent victims, than maybe just maybe they WILL think twice.

I suggest you take a plane to Pakistan and hunt them down yourself and due what they did, if you are so adamant on revenge. If you are not willing to do it, stop being such a big talker

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 07:45 PM Avrohom Says:

The tragic event in India brought about a great achdus bettween all yidden. To continue in this special spirit of achdus, I am starting a campaign to promote achdus and ahavas yisroel thru ads in the major jewish weekly newspapers. This will be done leeluy Nishmas the Kedoshim killed in India.

The ads will feature a Maamar Chazal on the importance of achdus, Shalom and Ahavas Yisroel. Please help sponsor a ad. It could be a company sponsorship so your company will be mentioned as the sponsor. I can not do this without your help.

To sponsor a ad, or suggest a maamar chazal, you may email me at achdusnow@gmail.com or call 718 954 2210.

Thank You
Avrohom Rotban
Staten Island

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 07:44 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:


Somber Ceremony? How about some revenge? When will we finally teach these SUBHUMAN CREATURES a lesson and bomb their terrorist holdouts into oblivion??

And i'm not a right wing nut, but when will these people be taught a lesson that would make them think twice before causing so much pain with their barbaric subhuman acts of violence????

And i'm well aware that these creatures are suicidal maniacs. But if they would know that we would revenge each and every terrorist attack upon their terrorist friends by making them suffer the same tortures that these sub humans inflict upon their innocent victims, than maybe just maybe they WILL think twice.

Hashem is the one that avenges not us human. You can see how far it got Israel when they avenge the blood of innocents , it causes more bloodshed. The one and only king of all kings has his cheshbonos and none of us can understand them. He will award justice to these animals and their families in due course.

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 08:01 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

I suggest you take a plane to Pakistan and hunt them down yourself and due what they did, if you are so adamant on revenge. If you are not willing to do it, stop being such a big talker

dont judge someone in a time of pain!!!!

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 08:00 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
Avrohom Says:

The tragic event in India brought about a great achdus bettween all yidden. To continue in this special spirit of achdus, I am starting a campaign to promote achdus and ahavas yisroel thru ads in the major jewish weekly newspapers. This will be done leeluy Nishmas the Kedoshim killed in India.

The ads will feature a Maamar Chazal on the importance of achdus, Shalom and Ahavas Yisroel. Please help sponsor a ad. It could be a company sponsorship so your company will be mentioned as the sponsor. I can not do this without your help.

To sponsor a ad, or suggest a maamar chazal, you may email me at achdusnow@gmail.com or call 718 954 2210.

Thank You
Avrohom Rotban
Staten Island

hatzlacha rabba
just the fact that you thought to do this is a wonderful thing.
I hope we will all continue to be b'achdus -
I truly believe this is what Hakodosh Baruch Hu wants from us!!!!!

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 07:51 PM ruach hakoidesh Says:

They are already watching down on us from gan eden. No question about it!

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 08:07 PM Anonymous Says:

Why do they insist on being mevazeh the meis with an israeli flag when it was specifically asked it not be put there? and we complain about mormons baptizing dead yidden!!!

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 08:26 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:


Somber Ceremony? How about some revenge? When will we finally teach these SUBHUMAN CREATURES a lesson and bomb their terrorist holdouts into oblivion??

And i'm not a right wing nut, but when will these people be taught a lesson that would make them think twice before causing so much pain with their barbaric subhuman acts of violence????

And i'm well aware that these creatures are suicidal maniacs. But if they would know that we would revenge each and every terrorist attack upon their terrorist friends by making them suffer the same tortures that these sub humans inflict upon their innocent victims, than maybe just maybe they WILL think twice.

We must take revenge. However, as Jews, we take Jewish revenge.We do not use violence. We must do more mitzvos and be mekarev someone else who doesnt know as much about Torah as you. The terrorists were out to destroy yidishkeit, and by taking Jewish revenge, we are destroying them.

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 08:25 PM Avi Says:

Reply to #13  
Anonymous Says:

Why do they insist on being mevazeh the meis with an israeli flag when it was specifically asked it not be put there? and we complain about mormons baptizing dead yidden!!!

How dare you compare an Israeli flag to being baptized. They were murdered because of the Israeli flag which they interpret to mean jewish if you like that or not. In other words they died because of the flag (eventhough they didnt care much about the country or whatever else they felt towards Israel. But the goyim dont differentiate between a frey yid or a chasideshe yid a yid is a yid and a yid represents Israel. Shame on you that the flag near the kedoshim is what bothers you. They will not bury the flag with the coffin its just to show the world that they were killed because of their country which is a jewish country.

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 08:24 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #13  
Anonymous Says:

Why do they insist on being mevazeh the meis with an israeli flag when it was specifically asked it not be put there? and we complain about mormons baptizing dead yidden!!!

I am pretty sure that there was no flag on 2 of the coffins. One of the closeups seem to show a coffin draped in a Tallis.

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 08:23 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
Big Masmid Says:

An IDF officer was stationed before each flag-draped coffin with the name of the victim. Could some one please explain, what benefit will the Neshomos of the victims have from an IDF ceremony.

What benefit?? You are incredible. It is comparable to an honor guard. What benefit?? You have a problem with Jewish soldiers paying respects to Jewish martyrs...?? You are pathetic....

For three days we watched this horror unfold...and it brought klal yisroel to its knees....we're still walking around catatonic....and you're "klerring shaalos" about what kovod it brings the kedoshim to have IDF soldiers there....there's no shailah.....it brings them more kovod than if you were there.....

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 08:23 PM hate Says:

Dear Moshe.
You should hate the people who killed your parents! Yes you should strive for peace within yourself and others, but with this type of people who could do such inhumane acts you must hate them. We will never forget! We will always hate them!!!

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 08:23 PM Anonymous Says:

Not all Muslims are terrorists ... but all terrorists are Muslims. Yemach Shmom V'zichrom. Vyinkom Nikmas Dam Avodaicho Hashofich !!!

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 08:20 PM Anonymous Says:

If Rabbi popenhiem from the Eideh wouldnt have opened his big mouth about this issue there would have not been any flag put on, but since he did just to create controversy the only answer is EAT IT

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 08:18 PM anony Says:

Six! Six! Six Million jews, Now Six Kedoshim! We must continue doing good to fight the hate! We will never forget what they did! We will not let them win!

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 08:34 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

I suggest you take a plane to Pakistan and hunt them down yourself and due what they did, if you are so adamant on revenge. If you are not willing to do it, stop being such a big talker

why so harsh what did he do to you? i mean come on.

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 08:30 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #13  
Anonymous Says:

Why do they insist on being mevazeh the meis with an israeli flag when it was specifically asked it not be put there? and we complain about mormons baptizing dead yidden!!!

BECAUSE THEY PAID TO BRING THE BODIES BACK!

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 08:29 PM Reb Shea Says:

Reply to #6  
Big Masmid Says:

An IDF officer was stationed before each flag-draped coffin with the name of the victim. Could some one please explain, what benefit will the Neshomos of the victims have from an IDF ceremony.

It is an extra kovod hames. The Israeli Defense Forces - the army that every single day risks their own lives to protect ALL yidden in our eretz hakodesh, regardless of anyone's political affiliations, is showing their final respect to our tyerah "soldiers" that were murdered al kiddush Hashem. The neshomos are benefiting from the mitzva of kavod hames that is being performed by the IDF.

I think it is a very beautiful kavod from our gashmiusdike soldiers to our ruchniesdike soldiers, the kedoshim of mumbai HY"D. I dont think it should be mocked or questioned

Regardless of our different views on the government of eretz yisroel, let us not confuse this feeling with the fact that they are showing kovod to the kedoshim in the way in which they see fit. While not everyone will agree with it, they are performing the mitzva of kavod hames and that mitzvos are being done is in itself a zechus for the neshomos.

We should only have simchas and achdus in Klal ...Hamokom Yinachaim Eschem Besoch Shaar Avaylay Tzion V'Yerushalayim

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 08:41 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #20  
Anonymous Says:

If Rabbi popenhiem from the Eideh wouldnt have opened his big mouth about this issue there would have not been any flag put on, but since he did just to create controversy the only answer is EAT IT

EXCUSE!!!!but that is exactly the mdina full of rishus. There here just to hurt the family just because they requested it. Yea they show big ahavas chinom

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 08:39 PM Anonymous Says:

The Family asked for no be placed flag there, so why did the state add more pain and suffering??? It just shows how much they really care!!

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 08:36 PM Anonymous Says:

its a certain relief to see the bodies finally, it makes me happy after so many sad days, to see the bodies no longer in torture and finally being able to be laid in peace.

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 09:14 PM bigwheeel Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

toldos avrum yitzcok rebbe was there?

Ni vus den?! Affileh Naarish-Machen zich hot a Sheer!!! There comes a moment of truth! And this is it!!!

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 09:09 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:


Somber Ceremony? How about some revenge? When will we finally teach these SUBHUMAN CREATURES a lesson and bomb their terrorist holdouts into oblivion??

And i'm not a right wing nut, but when will these people be taught a lesson that would make them think twice before causing so much pain with their barbaric subhuman acts of violence????

And i'm well aware that these creatures are suicidal maniacs. But if they would know that we would revenge each and every terrorist attack upon their terrorist friends by making them suffer the same tortures that these sub humans inflict upon their innocent victims, than maybe just maybe they WILL think twice.

sad to say but maybe when they do it here in america. they will walk into shopping centers. subways.schools ect. g-d forbid

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 09:08 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #15  
Avi Says:

How dare you compare an Israeli flag to being baptized. They were murdered because of the Israeli flag which they interpret to mean jewish if you like that or not. In other words they died because of the flag (eventhough they didnt care much about the country or whatever else they felt towards Israel. But the goyim dont differentiate between a frey yid or a chasideshe yid a yid is a yid and a yid represents Israel. Shame on you that the flag near the kedoshim is what bothers you. They will not bury the flag with the coffin its just to show the world that they were killed because of their country which is a jewish country.

I remember there were 7 dead. here there are only 6 coffins.

But I remember also that both Kroman and Teitlebaums familes said no Israeli flag or israeli funeral.

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 09:06 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #15  
Avi Says:

How dare you compare an Israeli flag to being baptized. They were murdered because of the Israeli flag which they interpret to mean jewish if you like that or not. In other words they died because of the flag (eventhough they didnt care much about the country or whatever else they felt towards Israel. But the goyim dont differentiate between a frey yid or a chasideshe yid a yid is a yid and a yid represents Israel. Shame on you that the flag near the kedoshim is what bothers you. They will not bury the flag with the coffin its just to show the world that they were killed because of their country which is a jewish country.

I dont see why your reacting so strongly. Its a treife medina that was asked not to turn their bodies into idols for the state.

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 09:00 PM Anonymous Says:

Just for your info, I spoke with a family member tonight and he told me they never authorized popenheim to give any statment! He made his remark to get some press!!

The family member told me the TAY rebbe told them not to make an issue of this.

Btw, he said he was his chavrusah 10 years ago, but forgot to mention he didn't talk with him since.

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 08:49 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
Avrohom Says:

The tragic event in India brought about a great achdus bettween all yidden. To continue in this special spirit of achdus, I am starting a campaign to promote achdus and ahavas yisroel thru ads in the major jewish weekly newspapers. This will be done leeluy Nishmas the Kedoshim killed in India.

The ads will feature a Maamar Chazal on the importance of achdus, Shalom and Ahavas Yisroel. Please help sponsor a ad. It could be a company sponsorship so your company will be mentioned as the sponsor. I can not do this without your help.

To sponsor a ad, or suggest a maamar chazal, you may email me at achdusnow@gmail.com or call 718 954 2210.

Thank You
Avrohom Rotban
Staten Island

what a beautiful idea!!! we would love to help... financially we can't really donate too much.. .we will try our best.. but we would love to help in any other areas...
we - all of klal yisrael really need to get together and make a strategy to bring mashiach.

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 08:44 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #24  
Reb Shea Says:

It is an extra kovod hames. The Israeli Defense Forces - the army that every single day risks their own lives to protect ALL yidden in our eretz hakodesh, regardless of anyone's political affiliations, is showing their final respect to our tyerah "soldiers" that were murdered al kiddush Hashem. The neshomos are benefiting from the mitzva of kavod hames that is being performed by the IDF.

I think it is a very beautiful kavod from our gashmiusdike soldiers to our ruchniesdike soldiers, the kedoshim of mumbai HY"D. I dont think it should be mocked or questioned

Regardless of our different views on the government of eretz yisroel, let us not confuse this feeling with the fact that they are showing kovod to the kedoshim in the way in which they see fit. While not everyone will agree with it, they are performing the mitzva of kavod hames and that mitzvos are being done is in itself a zechus for the neshomos.

We should only have simchas and achdus in Klal ...Hamokom Yinachaim Eschem Besoch Shaar Avaylay Tzion V'Yerushalayim

Yea very big achdus not obeying the families will

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 08:59 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #26  
Anonymous Says:

The Family asked for no be placed flag there, so why did the state add more pain and suffering??? It just shows how much they really care!!

I think if you look good it was covered with a talis correct me if not

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 09:28 PM Anonymous Says:

It makes me proud to be a jew to see the jewish airline rush in with jewish soliders to rescue the remains of jews. If you are a jew you can always count on your jewish family - be they hatzolah, Zaka, IDF, Mossad etc. They are there. They care and they do their best.

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 09:28 PM monseyer Says:

Reply to #20  
Anonymous Says:

If Rabbi popenhiem from the Eideh wouldnt have opened his big mouth about this issue there would have not been any flag put on, but since he did just to create controversy the only answer is EAT IT

youre out right worng!
there was a news report in YNET that they intend to wrap the kedoshim with flages, and that stirred the whole tadam..

the minute i saw the headlines i knew its going to be trouble, lets not kid ourselves the isralies know darn well that the flag is a no no by the reb ahreleach, WHY AGRRAVATE THEM?????

WHAT A SHAME!

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 09:34 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #30  
Anonymous Says:

sad to say but maybe when they do it here in america. they will walk into shopping centers. subways.schools ect. g-d forbid


You're 1000% correct.

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 09:39 PM Lubavitcher Says:

I am not sure if you are aware of this or not but Chabad Lubavitch is NOT zionist and would not approve of the placing of a flag on the body, However since the Israeli government did bring the bodies back to Israel and since the Israeli government did help the families they must have felt bad to say anything that would show as if they are not grateful and spitting them back in the face, Chabad Lubavitch cares about the Israeli government and the Israeli soldiers because they are jews and because they protect jews living in Israel but do not hold the flag to a religious symbol and do not believe that the state of Israel was the begining of the geulah that we should merit in reality NOW!!!

( I just wanted to make that clear because it seems that people here think that the Satmar wouldn't want the flag on his body but that a luavitcher would )

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 09:37 PM Chaim Says:

Reply to #15  
Avi Says:

How dare you compare an Israeli flag to being baptized. They were murdered because of the Israeli flag which they interpret to mean jewish if you like that or not. In other words they died because of the flag (eventhough they didnt care much about the country or whatever else they felt towards Israel. But the goyim dont differentiate between a frey yid or a chasideshe yid a yid is a yid and a yid represents Israel. Shame on you that the flag near the kedoshim is what bothers you. They will not bury the flag with the coffin its just to show the world that they were killed because of their country which is a jewish country.

You are saying the same as the crazy Neturei Karta say. It is Israels fault that they were killed!

We do not know why things happen all we can do is follow in the footsteps of our fathers. Flags are not part of our religion.

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 09:48 PM Shaul in Monsey Says:

I hope one of the take aways from this terrible pogrom is that there is no yeshivish, litvish, modern, frum, satmer, vizhnitz, conservadox...b'einei harotzchim we're all Jews. And after Mumbai, we're all Chabad. It is the fractured, petty infighting in Klal Yisroel, more than any single factor - that keeps us from the geulah. We live in a dor that learns more Torah blatt for blatt and gives more tzedakah dollar for dollar than at any other time since the mabul. Yet here we are, still in golus. Only an am kshei oref, stubborn to the core, judgmental to a fault, with such terrible tragedies falling around us like rain, can keep the geulah at bay with our petty infighting and nonsensical labelling and judging of this one because his yarmulka is too small and that one because he doesn't even wear one. Would be funny if it weren't so sad.

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 09:46 PM Anonymous Says:

If they really didn't want it do you think the army would have done it to them? I am sure like was mentioned beofre that the Rebbe told them not to make an issue, or these are blue and white talleisim
let us not fight at this moment. This will not cause an aliyah for these heilige neshamos

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 09:43 PM bklynandbored Says:

am wondering why the US ambassador was not there (at Ben Gurion). The Indian and Mexican delegations were there. I assume some representation will be at the funerals, since at least three were US citizens. i sure hope so.

HAMAKOM YINACHEM DAMOM! Fight Islamic Fundamentalism! The Religion of Peace should be wiped off the face of the earth.

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 10:10 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #42  
Shaul in Monsey Says:

I hope one of the take aways from this terrible pogrom is that there is no yeshivish, litvish, modern, frum, satmer, vizhnitz, conservadox...b'einei harotzchim we're all Jews. And after Mumbai, we're all Chabad. It is the fractured, petty infighting in Klal Yisroel, more than any single factor - that keeps us from the geulah. We live in a dor that learns more Torah blatt for blatt and gives more tzedakah dollar for dollar than at any other time since the mabul. Yet here we are, still in golus. Only an am kshei oref, stubborn to the core, judgmental to a fault, with such terrible tragedies falling around us like rain, can keep the geulah at bay with our petty infighting and nonsensical labelling and judging of this one because his yarmulka is too small and that one because he doesn't even wear one. Would be funny if it weren't so sad.

As Usual very well said

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 10:03 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #15  
Avi Says:

How dare you compare an Israeli flag to being baptized. They were murdered because of the Israeli flag which they interpret to mean jewish if you like that or not. In other words they died because of the flag (eventhough they didnt care much about the country or whatever else they felt towards Israel. But the goyim dont differentiate between a frey yid or a chasideshe yid a yid is a yid and a yid represents Israel. Shame on you that the flag near the kedoshim is what bothers you. They will not bury the flag with the coffin its just to show the world that they were killed because of their country which is a jewish country.

well said.... by the way who was the founder of zionisim and the state of israel the chofetz chiaim or the tzanzer ruv or lehavdil a machalal shabos who died on yom kippur with a pen in his hand YM"S

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 10:01 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #15  
Avi Says:

How dare you compare an Israeli flag to being baptized. They were murdered because of the Israeli flag which they interpret to mean jewish if you like that or not. In other words they died because of the flag (eventhough they didnt care much about the country or whatever else they felt towards Israel. But the goyim dont differentiate between a frey yid or a chasideshe yid a yid is a yid and a yid represents Israel. Shame on you that the flag near the kedoshim is what bothers you. They will not bury the flag with the coffin its just to show the world that they were killed because of their country which is a jewish country.

The wicked Israeli government is using the opportunity to publicize its agenda.

Many Jews want to live in Eretz Yisrael so they are forced to live in the Medinah, evil and wicked that it is. I would never want to be associated with it . . . ever.

I will always remember Gush Katif, Amana, and the past 60 years of antagonism, duplicity, perfidy, and outright hatred for Torah and the Jews who fear Hashem.

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 10:45 PM ML Says:

If you look at the last picture you can clearly see that it's a tallis......

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 10:38 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #15  
Avi Says:

How dare you compare an Israeli flag to being baptized. They were murdered because of the Israeli flag which they interpret to mean jewish if you like that or not. In other words they died because of the flag (eventhough they didnt care much about the country or whatever else they felt towards Israel. But the goyim dont differentiate between a frey yid or a chasideshe yid a yid is a yid and a yid represents Israel. Shame on you that the flag near the kedoshim is what bothers you. They will not bury the flag with the coffin its just to show the world that they were killed because of their country which is a jewish country.

You're 100% wrong thay where killed cause of being a jew the same reson thosends of jews where killed in the last 2000 years so by putting a flag that thay asked not to put and thay did it just for there propegande is a real chilel k'vod h'mes done by jewish ppl for jewish ppl

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 10:36 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #47  
Anonymous Says:

The wicked Israeli government is using the opportunity to publicize its agenda.

Many Jews want to live in Eretz Yisrael so they are forced to live in the Medinah, evil and wicked that it is. I would never want to be associated with it . . . ever.

I will always remember Gush Katif, Amana, and the past 60 years of antagonism, duplicity, perfidy, and outright hatred for Torah and the Jews who fear Hashem.

The medina is certainly not founded or run al taharas hakodesh, but also be makir tov for:
being able to go to the mekomos hakedoshim safely
the incredible amount of money given to yeshivos and kollel families
protecting (and yes, avenging) jewish lives around the world
all the people (including the thousands of mostly chilonim) who have given their lives

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 10:56 PM Reb Shea Says:

Reply to #35  
Anonymous Says:

Yea very big achdus not obeying the families will

It seems the family's will was not clear. However with that being said, this was not the levaya. The family wished that the medina should not run the levaya - meaning the funeral arrangements that R"L the fallen soldiers of the IDF receive.

This was the IDF saluting the Kedoshim as they were unloaded off the plane.

I wish everyone would stop being so jumpy. I love VIN and their quick and efficient postings of news stories. Sometimes I feel that my friends in their haste to post their comments, do not fully read a story and jump to post their judgment. So far it has been written on VIN that the families didnt want a certain style levaya. This was a act of kovod given to the kedoshim as they were unloaded off the plane, no different then the honor bestowed upon fallen American soldiers when they are unloaded off a plane. These are not and were not the funeral services.

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 10:56 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
Big Masmid Says:

An IDF officer was stationed before each flag-draped coffin with the name of the victim. Could some one please explain, what benefit will the Neshomos of the victims have from an IDF ceremony.

This is a form of respect.

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 11:07 PM chriss Says:

Reply to #13  
Anonymous Says:

Why do they insist on being mevazeh the meis with an israeli flag when it was specifically asked it not be put there? and we complain about mormons baptizing dead yidden!!!

(#13) we are talking about achdus in Klal Yisruel, and all you're busy is the flag! This was not the Levay'a and it will be taken down, it was just the arrival - and as long u will be busy with these 'SHTISIM' and see the 'Tufel' there will not be achdus in klal yisrual, get real!

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 11:00 PM chaim braun Says:

Reply to #6  
Big Masmid Says:

An IDF officer was stationed before each flag-draped coffin with the name of the victim. Could some one please explain, what benefit will the Neshomos of the victims have from an IDF ceremony.

its a sign of respect.
A state funeral.

There is ahalocho of kavod hames. What more do have to complain about?

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 11:22 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
Big Masmid Says:

An IDF officer was stationed before each flag-draped coffin with the name of the victim. Could some one please explain, what benefit will the Neshomos of the victims have from an IDF ceremony.

maybe they wanted to make sure each niftar had a shomer at all times

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 11:10 PM Anonymous Says:

Factually, the coffins were covered with tallesim and not the star of David. If there is a problem with the color of the drapings the protesters should have brought their own Forensic doctors and their own plane to bring back all these kedoishim.
Before the establishment of Israel , a group called the Nazis killed all jews indiscriminately as these moslem animals tortured them all equally. These Kedoshim are equal in their death as having died as yidden and all our people should see we are united in recognizing why they were tortured equally. The toldos avram yitzchok kodosh, the lubavitcher kedoishim and the other heilige yidden aleihem hasholom and all our children should see a uniform talis on all these sacrifices.

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 11:10 PM Roses Says:

To #13. First of all, the government respected the wishes of the families of the two kedoshim who specifcally requested no flag. Albeit, the Israeli Govt. did put all its efforts into speeding up the harrowing process and preventing autopties.
Also, as always, the Satan jumps in to ruin everything that is good and pure. After all the posts of achdus and special websites dedicated to ahavas yisroel, etc.. someone rears the ugly head of machlokes - that is the koach of the Satan. He wreaked enough carnage - please let us not relinquish our tears and commitments to the Satan now. Here and now is not the forum for debates on Zionism and flags. Kol Yisroel Areivin Zeh LaZeh. It says, KOL

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 10:30 PM Anonymous Says:

from what i understand the tay rebbe said not to make a big deal of this and if thats what he said i aplaud him because the people placing the flags are tinoikim shenishbi and meant only good i think huging with achmadenijad is far worse at least it should be but some ppl ... dont get it to put it nicely.

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 10:27 PM Anonymous Says:

reply to #3
The revenge is the Yerushalmi fellow in the Zebra standing next to the Chaiyal Ahavat Yisrael

And to the fellow who complained about Reb Liebish HY'D being draped in an Israeli Flag there are two words to consider HAKARAS HATOV It would be unlikely that Reb Liebish's remains would have been released without an autopsy or sent back so quickly to Eretz Yisrael if not for the intervention of the Israeli government.No they are not Zaddikim but give credit where it is do and be appreciative when appropriate

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 11:27 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #52  
Anonymous Says:

This is a form of respect.

I knew hakodosh reb leibish t"b still from yeshivah it is davka a bizoyan 4him & family that something similar 2a flag should be near him & 2all of u he died because of all the hate the zionim create all those years

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 11:33 PM Frum Tzioni Says:

Reply to #6  
Big Masmid Says:

An IDF officer was stationed before each flag-draped coffin with the name of the victim. Could some one please explain, what benefit will the Neshomos of the victims have from an IDF ceremony.

some masmid you are. have you ANY idea how many chayalim have died, YOUNG BOYS, so that we can have a homeland? Ever heard of Kavod Ha'mes? Apparently not. A soldier who may or may not be frum has no right to pay respects to these Kedoshim? How narrow minded you are. You should be ashamed of yourself.

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 11:47 PM Frum Tzioni Says:

Reply to #50  
Anonymous Says:

The medina is certainly not founded or run al taharas hakodesh, but also be makir tov for:
being able to go to the mekomos hakedoshim safely
the incredible amount of money given to yeshivos and kollel families
protecting (and yes, avenging) jewish lives around the world
all the people (including the thousands of mostly chilonim) who have given their lives

I agree with you. Some people are just so judgemental. I've said it once & I'll say it again - bottom line, the only army in the world who will defend Jews of all sects is the IDF. Name one other nation who will stand beside us. Tell me something, Mr. 47, if we were chased out of this country, where would YOU go? Apparently, Israel is not the country for you. You truly are pathetic.

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 11:59 PM not getting you Says:

Reply to #48  
ML Says:

If you look at the last picture you can clearly see that it's a tallis......

but also the flag that thay asked not to put so whats your point

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 11:52 PM Anonymous Says:

Now we can all understand why extreme hatred is referred to as 'blind hatred'.

So many people have been taught to hate the medina that they cannot see past the hatred to recognise when the medina is involved in chesed shel emes.

But don't forget, it them who are preventing the geula shelaimah, not us c"v. We are perfect.

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 11:51 PM Milhouse Says:

"The family member told me the TAY rebbe told them not to make an issue of this."

That makes sense. How do you suppose the Lubavitchers feel about having the flag and all that on their aronos? If they'd been asked they'd surely prefer not to have them -- Lubavitch has no more use for Zionism and its accessories than does Satmar -- but they wouldn't think it worth making a fuss about, and creating more disunity, especially when the Zionists mean well, so they grin and bear it.

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 12:03 AM Anonymous Says:

It is begining to look like some yiddin are bothered more by the flag over the coffin more than they are bothered about what is IN the coffins.

I shudder to think that these are frum people who are counted for a minyan.

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 12:08 AM seen it all Says:

Reply to #60  
Anonymous Says:

I knew hakodosh reb leibish t"b still from yeshivah it is davka a bizoyan 4him & family that something similar 2a flag should be near him & 2all of u he died because of all the hate the zionim create all those years

I guess your hatred for zionism means that you would rather wait another week for the kvurah (lav of loi solin), have a full autopsy done by goyim in india (zilzul hames, nituchei maisim, darkei emoiri) rather than a farkakte flag for 5 minutes on an aron that won't even be used for the actual levaya. I'm very active in chevra kadisha, and halacha trumps politics.

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 12:36 AM Aron Says:

As many people, I have a wide range of different types of relatives. I have some that are Israeli chilonim that fought in many of the early wars, and I have some that are referred to by the uneducated as "anti-zionist" (virtually every Jew yearns for "zion"; some though have a problem with the current popular organized form). One cousin of mine even has a picture of himself with Arafat, yimach sh'mo (the "yimach sh'mo" refers to Arafat, not to my cousin,may he live and be well).
I do not agree with his extreme view. I do, however, try to understand what is behind the ideology. These people that are called by the misnomer "anti-zionist" are actually "extreme zionists" ("utra-zionists"?). They believe that Jews should rule over Eretz Yisroel. However, that time should coincide with the geula and the coming of Moshiach. To do so earlier is considered by many to be a blasphemy. It is like what if an organized group decided to unilaterally build the Third Temple and start bringing sacrifices before the geula. Jews from across the spectrum would be up in arms over such a blasphemy. Any official symbol of such a group would be abhorrent to almost any Jew.
To many of the "anti-zionists", to have a Jewish ruling government in Eretz Yisroel before the proper time is a blasphemy and tramples on the holiness of Eretz Yisroel. And the official symbols of this group becomes abhorrent to them.
Again, while I do not subscribe to such an extreme view, I do know from my own experience that they are not "anti" any other Jew. They are just very "pro" the holiness of Eretz Yisroel.

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 12:58 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #53  
chriss Says:

(#13) we are talking about achdus in Klal Yisruel, and all you're busy is the flag! This was not the Levay'a and it will be taken down, it was just the arrival - and as long u will be busy with these 'SHTISIM' and see the 'Tufel' there will not be achdus in klal yisrual, get real!

The Israelis used to make forced autopsies in the 1970s

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 12:57 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #66  
Anonymous Says:

It is begining to look like some yiddin are bothered more by the flag over the coffin more than they are bothered about what is IN the coffins.

I shudder to think that these are frum people who are counted for a minyan.

well said!
can't believe so soon after such tragedy people are looking to argue and fight....
yiden- remember- we need achdus fo rmashiach to come! it doesn't matter who is right or who is wrong, who is frum and who is not.
to Hashem we are all his children and he wants us to love eachother no matter what and only then will mashiach come.
the bais hamikdash was destroyed because of sinas chinam. please please raboisai for the sake of teh kedoshim and almanos and yesoimim let us try to be more passive more forgiving and more accepting. let us try to bring mashiach together so we can all see the true glory of HKB"H and serve him in teh bais hamikdash bekarov!! let us bring real karbanos filled with simcha and achdus bimheira byameinu amen!

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 12:56 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #57  
Roses Says:

To #13. First of all, the government respected the wishes of the families of the two kedoshim who specifcally requested no flag. Albeit, the Israeli Govt. did put all its efforts into speeding up the harrowing process and preventing autopties.
Also, as always, the Satan jumps in to ruin everything that is good and pure. After all the posts of achdus and special websites dedicated to ahavas yisroel, etc.. someone rears the ugly head of machlokes - that is the koach of the Satan. He wreaked enough carnage - please let us not relinquish our tears and commitments to the Satan now. Here and now is not the forum for debates on Zionism and flags. Kol Yisroel Areivin Zeh LaZeh. It says, KOL

yes, yes, yes!!!!

remember so long as we are in golus nothing will be perfect....
but in order to get out of golus we need ahava and achdus not machloikes and criticism.

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 12:56 AM simintov Says:

Reply to #6  
Big Masmid Says:

An IDF officer was stationed before each flag-draped coffin with the name of the victim. Could some one please explain, what benefit will the Neshomos of the victims have from an IDF ceremony.

Perhaps it's the IDF officers' neshomos that will benefit by honoring these kedoshim. Yet another way those who lived to benefit others continue their mission.

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 04:00 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:


Somber Ceremony? How about some revenge? When will we finally teach these SUBHUMAN CREATURES a lesson and bomb their terrorist holdouts into oblivion??

And i'm not a right wing nut, but when will these people be taught a lesson that would make them think twice before causing so much pain with their barbaric subhuman acts of violence????

And i'm well aware that these creatures are suicidal maniacs. But if they would know that we would revenge each and every terrorist attack upon their terrorist friends by making them suffer the same tortures that these sub humans inflict upon their innocent victims, than maybe just maybe they WILL think twice.

Kol ma deavid rachmana letav avid. Yes we all think revange should be shown out and strong but that can only happen if hashem wants it to happen

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 03:27 AM Big Masmid Says:

Reply to #55  
Anonymous Says:

maybe they wanted to make sure each niftar had a shomer at all times

This is the only good answer from all of the above posts to post # 6 question, BTW a Shomer has to be some one who is Shomer Shabbos too.
I am not as narrow minded as you think. The Neshomah is in extreme agony until the body is buried, so why make them wait an extra second? when we Ulises according to Halocha is a different situation, show me one true Godol who will stand up and say that what the I D F did shows that they care for the Neshomah, it's a bunch of propaganda for the Zionists not a Chesed for the Nifter. Most Gedolim like the Chazon Ish hold that going to the Israeli army is prohibited Al Pe Torah.

The IDF strength is only because us Yiden Daven and learn Hashems Torah.

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 01:37 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

I suggest you take a plane to Pakistan and hunt them down yourself and due what they did, if you are so adamant on revenge. If you are not willing to do it, stop being such a big talker

So can we apply the measuring stick to you? Throughout your life do you only offer opinions about what you yourself are prepared to do? Am I allowed to believe that police should go after criminals without going after criminals myself? I'm just asking. Enlighten me as to the opinions I am allowed to have.

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 01:28 AM Toras Moshe Emes Says:

I hear a lot of talk about achdus and how, therefore, we should say nothing about the fact that all six coffins were draped with Israeli flags. When the coffins left Mumbai, there were four with Israeli flags and two, in accordance with the wishes of the families, without. En route, against the wishes of the families, Israeli flags were placed on the two.

How is this achdus?

Why is it only achdus when the religious are told to shut up while secualrists do whatever they want -- in this case, defying the wishes of the families? And if, c'v the religious voice their displeasure, oy gevalt what a machlokes they are making!!!

Someone explain this to me like I am a four year old because I just don't get it

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 06:08 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #67  
seen it all Says:

I guess your hatred for zionism means that you would rather wait another week for the kvurah (lav of loi solin), have a full autopsy done by goyim in india (zilzul hames, nituchei maisim, darkei emoiri) rather than a farkakte flag for 5 minutes on an aron that won't even be used for the actual levaya. I'm very active in chevra kadisha, and halacha trumps politics.

60 replying I still know that Israel has a very bad reputation when it comes to zilzul hames btw I think credit zaka for not palmesing We shouldn't hear any bad news & all of klal yisroel should c mashiach bkorov

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 05:42 AM Anonymous Says:

#41
you are an amharetz every ben chomesh l'mikra knows that flags are part of our religion. every shevet had a flag.

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 08:46 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #70  
Anonymous Says:

well said!
can't believe so soon after such tragedy people are looking to argue and fight....
yiden- remember- we need achdus fo rmashiach to come! it doesn't matter who is right or who is wrong, who is frum and who is not.
to Hashem we are all his children and he wants us to love eachother no matter what and only then will mashiach come.
the bais hamikdash was destroyed because of sinas chinam. please please raboisai for the sake of teh kedoshim and almanos and yesoimim let us try to be more passive more forgiving and more accepting. let us try to bring mashiach together so we can all see the true glory of HKB"H and serve him in teh bais hamikdash bekarov!! let us bring real karbanos filled with simcha and achdus bimheira byameinu amen!

omain!

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 08:47 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #74  
Big Masmid Says:

This is the only good answer from all of the above posts to post # 6 question, BTW a Shomer has to be some one who is Shomer Shabbos too.
I am not as narrow minded as you think. The Neshomah is in extreme agony until the body is buried, so why make them wait an extra second? when we Ulises according to Halocha is a different situation, show me one true Godol who will stand up and say that what the I D F did shows that they care for the Neshomah, it's a bunch of propaganda for the Zionists not a Chesed for the Nifter. Most Gedolim like the Chazon Ish hold that going to the Israeli army is prohibited Al Pe Torah.

The IDF strength is only because us Yiden Daven and learn Hashems Torah.

Care to mention where in shulchan aruch it is written that a shomer has to be a shomer shabbos?

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 09:08 AM Anonymous Says:

If we understood the lose we have suffered and shared in the pain of the family as we should have our eyes would have been too burning with tears to see what was on top of the aronos.

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 09:07 AM Anonymous Says:

Anyone think that Reb Levi Barditchover would be yelling that the tzionim put flags on coffins because they hold it to be kavod hames?

Or do you think he would say 'wow! even in yiddin who don't understand the first thing about kavod hames and the kedusha of heileger yiddin killed al kiddush shaim shomayim, even in those who were brought up to think badly of all shomrai torah u'mitzvos, even such yiddin have tried to do what they hold is the most respectful thing for a Jew for these heiliger korbanos! RBS"O, build us a new bais hamikdosh and you'll see how even the most ignorant yid runs to bring you the best sheep, goats, bulls, cows'?

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 10:16 AM Satmar Buchur Says:

Satmar Buchur

I am 100% Satmar and would shudder with horror at the idea of an Israeli flag on my coffin, or even in the room, etc.,

However, we must keep in mind that the people here are not the big politicians who made the decisions. These are well-intentioned people showing what to them, in their eyes, is kovod. So, they ARE giving kovod to these heilige kedoshim.

The fact that we do not approve of the method, or are grossed out by it, should not take away from the intent of these good human beings who are feeling a connection with fellow Yidden and trying to give them respect and recognition.

True, it was a bad decision, and a mean one on the part of whoever it was who decided it must be this way. The family's views should certainly have been honored.

Had one of the victims been a Muslim who begged to not be dishonored by the flag, they would certainly have honored the family's wishes and separated his body from the others, and taken his body quietly away without the Government ceremony.
We see here clearly, something we have always known, that the religious Jew is afforded less honor by the State of Israel then a non-Jew, or even a Muslim.

All this being said, do not knock the people who are doing their job, or the people who are honestly trying to show their respect in their own way.

Only those who made the bad and mean decision are to blame, not those who carry out their tasks, and certainly not those who come to offer respect.

If anything, we need to recognize their good intent. If we fail to do that, we are then guilty too of not tolerating other well-meaning people.

I truly wish they had respected the family's wishes and kept these two kedoshim's body's separate from the Government ceremony, and from those flags, but to fuss about it now is not appropriate.

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 10:22 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

toldos avrum yitzcok rebbe was there?

I saw some people in the Yerushalmi uniform worn by Toldos avrohom Yitzchok people. Remember, the Rebbe is a Kohen, which makes is difficult for him to get to close.

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 10:49 AM Plain Jew Says:

Reply to #60  
Anonymous Says:

I knew hakodosh reb leibish t"b still from yeshivah it is davka a bizoyan 4him & family that something similar 2a flag should be near him & 2all of u he died because of all the hate the zionim create all those years

Is that so? Was there zionism during the crusades ? Was there zionism during the Inquisition in Spain ? Was there zionism during the other massacres that were committed against the jews ?

And by the way he did not die HE WAS MURDERED!!! BECAUSE HE WAS A JEW !!!

Get your facts straight instead of spewing hatred.

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 12:41 PM Anonymous Says:

The blue and white material wrapping the Aronos from the sides is not, technically, a flag; it's more like a form of bunting, with no Magen David on it. In some of the photos, you can see that it looks like all of the Aronos are covered with Taleisim, with the bunting only on the sides. Though I think the families of some of the Kedoshim may not have particularly cared for the blue-and-white material, you can't say that the request of the families not to use a flag was not honored.

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 12:49 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #74  
Big Masmid Says:

This is the only good answer from all of the above posts to post # 6 question, BTW a Shomer has to be some one who is Shomer Shabbos too.
I am not as narrow minded as you think. The Neshomah is in extreme agony until the body is buried, so why make them wait an extra second? when we Ulises according to Halocha is a different situation, show me one true Godol who will stand up and say that what the I D F did shows that they care for the Neshomah, it's a bunch of propaganda for the Zionists not a Chesed for the Nifter. Most Gedolim like the Chazon Ish hold that going to the Israeli army is prohibited Al Pe Torah.

The IDF strength is only because us Yiden Daven and learn Hashems Torah.

very well said

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 01:37 PM Big Masmid Says:

Reply to #80  
Anonymous Says:

Care to mention where in shulchan aruch it is written that a shomer has to be a shomer shabbos?

look it up in Safer Gesher HaChaim

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 02:20 PM anti zionist jew Says:

Reply to #15  
Avi Says:

How dare you compare an Israeli flag to being baptized. They were murdered because of the Israeli flag which they interpret to mean jewish if you like that or not. In other words they died because of the flag (eventhough they didnt care much about the country or whatever else they felt towards Israel. But the goyim dont differentiate between a frey yid or a chasideshe yid a yid is a yid and a yid represents Israel. Shame on you that the flag near the kedoshim is what bothers you. They will not bury the flag with the coffin its just to show the world that they were killed because of their country which is a jewish country.

the official chabad policy is not to have this shamefull isreali flag in none of ther chabad houses

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 02:08 PM Plain Jew Says:

Reply to #74  
Big Masmid Says:

This is the only good answer from all of the above posts to post # 6 question, BTW a Shomer has to be some one who is Shomer Shabbos too.
I am not as narrow minded as you think. The Neshomah is in extreme agony until the body is buried, so why make them wait an extra second? when we Ulises according to Halocha is a different situation, show me one true Godol who will stand up and say that what the I D F did shows that they care for the Neshomah, it's a bunch of propaganda for the Zionists not a Chesed for the Nifter. Most Gedolim like the Chazon Ish hold that going to the Israeli army is prohibited Al Pe Torah.

The IDF strength is only because us Yiden Daven and learn Hashems Torah.

1) Would you cite the source where the Chazzon Ish said what you claim ??


"The IDF strength is only because us Yiden Daven and learn Hashems Torah. ”

2) In that case if there is another fatal attack (chas v'shalom") in Israel then all the blame will be on YOU !!!

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 01:56 PM Plain Jew Says:

Reply to #87  
Anonymous Says:

very well said

If the IDF's only strength is Tefillahs and our learning then obviously we are not doing a very good job at either. Perhaps it has to do with what is written on these comments. you can feel the sinas chinam. I would like to see one of the Gedolim stand up and show some courage and say "Enough of this constant bickering!!". I have a feeling that will never happen. No one will admit that the "other side" may be correct.

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 01:55 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #88  
Big Masmid Says:

look it up in Safer Gesher HaChaim

Who provides no siman in shulchan aruch or daf gemara for this halachah.

I don't think you can even find a gemara or a siman in shulchan aruch that states that the shomer needs to be a Yid.

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 02:39 PM YEED Says:

Reply to #13  
Anonymous Says:

Why do they insist on being mevazeh the meis with an israeli flag when it was specifically asked it not be put there? and we complain about mormons baptizing dead yidden!!!

WOW are you an ignorant fool.

Firstly, it is respectful and bkavodik. (and a statement to the world of who they are from and who takes care of them)
Secondly, HOW DARE YOU you , how dare you compare this to mormons baptizing jews? HOW DARE YOU?!?!
When you take as much care of jews from around the world regardless of their religious affiliation who die al pi kiddush hashem whether it is non religious Professor Liviu Lbrescu from the georgia tech massacre last year, or the teitelbaum or the holtzbergs in mumbai then maybe maybe you can judge but not compare to such disgusting things.
DO YOU KNOW WHERE THE ISRALEI FLAG COMES FROM???
Did you know that the stripes represent the TALIS!? Yes, thats is how they came up with the zionist flag way back when. do you wrap a meis in a talis? do we cover a coffin with a paroches that has a magen dovid on it? (which was on every single torah mantle and aron kodesh and tombstone in eastern europe long before it was on the israeli flag).
DID YOU KNOW ANY OF THAT?
Go apologise and do some teshuva and maybe go to school ebcause you obviously never learned anything.

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 02:33 PM YEED Says:

Reply to #6  
Big Masmid Says:

An IDF officer was stationed before each flag-draped coffin with the name of the victim. Could some one please explain, what benefit will the Neshomos of the victims have from an IDF ceremony.

kavod hameis.

get over your blind prejudice and see the big picture.

(besides they each get their own shomer)

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 03:04 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
Big Masmid Says:

An IDF officer was stationed before each flag-draped coffin with the name of the victim. Could some one please explain, what benefit will the Neshomos of the victims have from an IDF ceremony.

Its called Respect, and if this is the method used in Israel to show respect for fallen innocent people then let all of Israel Observant and Non unite and realize the Jewish Nation\Family lost loved ones.

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 03:04 PM anon Says:

Reply to #6  
Big Masmid Says:

An IDF officer was stationed before each flag-draped coffin with the name of the victim. Could some one please explain, what benefit will the Neshomos of the victims have from an IDF ceremony.

what do you mean, it is "Tzivos Hashem" !

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 03:09 PM ha Says:

Reply to #92  
Anonymous Says:

Who provides no siman in shulchan aruch or daf gemara for this halachah.

I don't think you can even find a gemara or a siman in shulchan aruch that states that the shomer needs to be a Yid.

the idf shomrim are all jewish.
plus there were many people there.

this thread is proof that some people have learned nothing form this tragedy.

The story is about hareidim, misnagdim, tzyonnim, religious jews, non religious jews ocming together and taking the best care of each toerh at every step. and yet htere are some pig headed american jews sitting comfortably in brooklyn or manhattan in their comfy chairs and dsl spewing the most vile sinas chinam into the most somber kiddush hashem.

Big Masmid, you have learned nothing from this tragedy. May the rest of the yiddishe velt from the the non religious to the ultra hareidi see past your blind sinas chinam and continue to bad together in achdush and unity despite your blind hatred for the kindness of your fello jews.

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 11:19 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #57  
Roses Says:

To #13. First of all, the government respected the wishes of the families of the two kedoshim who specifcally requested no flag. Albeit, the Israeli Govt. did put all its efforts into speeding up the harrowing process and preventing autopties.
Also, as always, the Satan jumps in to ruin everything that is good and pure. After all the posts of achdus and special websites dedicated to ahavas yisroel, etc.. someone rears the ugly head of machlokes - that is the koach of the Satan. He wreaked enough carnage - please let us not relinquish our tears and commitments to the Satan now. Here and now is not the forum for debates on Zionism and flags. Kol Yisroel Areivin Zeh LaZeh. It says, KOL

So well said! for a brief moment on Friday, those six kedoshim from very diverse backgrounds had all klall Yisroel on the same page. We all davened together, cried together and were one united group..how quickly we forget....

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