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Israel - Foreign Ministry: Israel Won't Provide Security for Chabad Abroad

Published on: December 1, 2008 08:17 PM
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Israel -  The Israeli government will not be able to provide security for Chabad houses in the Far East, the Foreign Ministry said.

Officials there said that since Chabad is not an official Israeli organization, it cannot be treated differently from other Jewish organizations operating globally. However, the state would assist Chabad in coordinating security, which the movement would have to pay for.

After last week’s attack in Mumbai, Chabad and the Chief Rabbinate asked Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni for the state to provide protection for Chabad houses abroad. These representations, they said, “served as embassies and constitute a focus for masses of Israelis.”

The attack last week was the first ever on any of the 3,500 such institutions operating throughout the world. Their main problem had previously been relatively minor anti-Semitic vandalism.

The Foreign Ministry and Mossad now advise Jewish institutions abroad on security matters and help with security training for Jewish young people, who take a course in Israel.

But the Foreign Ministry only provides security for official state institutions, and the Jewish Agency’s security department provides security for its institutions.

The Chabad movement has been stung financially in recent months by the economic downturn that has hit some of its main donors.

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Chabad houses have so far had an “open door” policy, and the movement’s heads are considering changing this and funding new security arrangements.


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 Dec 01, 2008 at 08:32 PM Anonymous Says:

Why should Israel provide security for Chabad abroad? If I decided to open a yeshiva in Zimbabwe and I attract Israelis does that warrant me security from Israel?

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 08:31 PM Anonymous Says:

No suprise!!! Welcome to israel.

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 08:30 PM Anonymous Says:

What anti chareidem they are

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 08:37 PM murray Says:

Seems a little stingy on the part of the Israeli government, but regardless of who sets it up and funds it-it Must be done, and immediately. These places in far off lands are obviously Not safe, and there could soon be (G-D Forbid) Copy Cats. The 'Open Door Policy" is an invitation for trouble.

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 09:22 PM Anonymous Says:

I imagine if money werer no issie the Israeli Govt would do it. With so little respurces to spare who can blame them?

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 08:53 PM shteig Says:

1) Israeli security might actually be counterproductive since then Chabad would be identified as an Israeli instituiton
2) It would be ludicrous to expect 3000 security guards 24 hours a day (or maybe two shifts

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 09:40 PM Anonymous Says:

I think that chabad should charge the Israeli government for food received hospitality they give the israelis and we sill see who would gain.

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 10:20 PM a concerned yid Says:

anti-charedim? are you insane? chabad insnt an israeli orginazation and israel should not have to pay for other's security. money for security should be included in the budget when chabad houses are set up. israel is doing all that they can by offering to help arrange the security to make sure jews are properly protected. We should be thanking the Israeli goverment for all they have done in this time of tragedy.

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 10:19 PM Anonymous Says:

Iit is Chabad that located Israelis when the Tsunami hit Thailand. Chabad is the address that Israelis go to when they are in distant lands.
Also, maybe that is it why not other every Synagogue , Yeshiva, School and JCC the option of becoming an Israeli governmental institution. Just in case a local diplomatic haven becomes necessary.As Mumbai has clearly shown the world Jewish=Israeli even if one is does not recognize the State to the enemy he was Israeli.

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 10:08 PM Anonymous Says:

Am I the only sane one on this site? To demand that Israel provide security for the thousands of Jewish sites is retarded.#7 those are probably the dumbest comments ever written here.......and thats saying a lot do you expect american citizens to receive food and lodging provided by the USA when theyre abroad? Kindly stop thinking the world revolves around the chareidim and then you wont have to complain that everyone hates people like you.

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 10:25 PM SON Says:

Y should they?? Its enough there's an israeli consulate in almost any country with a substansial amount of jewish traffic.
And besides Shteig's right there's a chabad in every corner of the globe from Miami to the top of mount Everest, you would need half of the Israeli armed forces just to provide minimal security.

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 10:42 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

What anti chareidem they are

When Haredi pay taxes and serve in the army and contribute to Israeli society, maybe Israel will recognize them as PRODUCTIVE citizens. It's a two-way street.

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 11:01 PM Babishka Says:

The governments of the countries should provide the police protection for these institutions. I have been to the Chabad centers in Moscow and Frankfurt, where there have been anti-Semitic attacks, and there is a very stringent level of security, including metal detectors at the door and concrete barricades in front of the building.

For additional security, I would recommend volunteers and professional security services who have had military and firearms training to offer citizen patrols.

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 11:18 PM Anonymous Says:

Why should Israel provide security for Chabad houses out of Israel? Should they also provide security for my children's yeshivos in Lakewood if Israelis attend? Perhaps the frequently visiting businessmen could help out, but get this: Chabad does not support these places so that people will have a place to eat, but so that Jews will have a kosher place to eat, a place where they can be introduced to Yiddishkeit. Is this the responsibility of the Israeli government? And it's not about their being Charedim. If they were Christian Israel-loving missionaries, they also would not receive security.
Anyway, do you think one or even two security guards could have stopped these machine gun-toting madmen? They would have been the first ones dead.

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 11:32 PM Anonymous Says:

y should they do it they are not a jewish nation that seeks to help yiden around the globe.

but the kedushim were killed becouse they were considerd isrealis.

UNDERSTAND???????????????

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 11:56 PM murray Says:

Reply to #14  
Anonymous Says:

Why should Israel provide security for Chabad houses out of Israel? Should they also provide security for my children's yeshivos in Lakewood if Israelis attend? Perhaps the frequently visiting businessmen could help out, but get this: Chabad does not support these places so that people will have a place to eat, but so that Jews will have a kosher place to eat, a place where they can be introduced to Yiddishkeit. Is this the responsibility of the Israeli government? And it's not about their being Charedim. If they were Christian Israel-loving missionaries, they also would not receive security.
Anyway, do you think one or even two security guards could have stopped these machine gun-toting madmen? They would have been the first ones dead.

Not necessarily. Bombay is a very large and disarmed society. The Indian government does not trust its own law abiding citizens to have firearms for self protection. The terrorists are Not brave, they were cowards and counted on No resistance (other than primitive sticks and rocks) from the populace, only from the inept police.

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 Dec 01, 2008 at 11:59 PM Anonymous Says:

i have nothing against chabad, i even admire the idea of chbad houses, but from now on, when ever i go to a third world countr, i will never goin to a chabad house even for a minyan. not only this i will stay away from hotels that are right a few blocks near the chabad houses. its just to bad we live in this kind of world.

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 12:37 AM Anonymous Says:

Chabad provides a place for Jews to come and participate in all types of religious activity in a open and relaxed atmosphere. The state of Israel benefts from this because this makes these Israelis more appreciative of their heritage and more commited to their connection to Israel. Many of them would not return to Israel if they were left alone in foreign countries. It is for this reason that many Israeli consulates encourage support & participate in Yom Tov events (like 2000 people at a Seder in Katmandu Nepal) and other Chabad functions all over the world. Maybe their is some justification in this Idea. Food for Thought!

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 05:15 AM Anonymous Says:

BS"D

I am a Lubavitcher abroad and the last thing I would want to see is security provided by the state.

1) We are not "Israeli" and we do not need to become targets of anti-Israeli peace demonstrators and the like. We are apolitical and want to stay that way.

2) Security guards in E"Y are notoriously anti charedi with the pretense that terrorists dress up as charedim. Here, where I am, B"H the very professional security team knows the difference between me coming to shul at midnight with a sefer and then taking out another sefer, and a suspicious person daring to enter shul at such an unusual hour. In EY I was routinely harassed when I brought tefillin into Center 1 and the tachana hamerkazit because I am a soft target in that the guard can be seen to be doing his job by examining me.

Providing advice to security teams, on a paid basis, is one thing, but Chabad is a local institution in each place that it operates, and not a part or responsibility of any foreign government.

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 04:58 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #17  
Anonymous Says:

i have nothing against chabad, i even admire the idea of chbad houses, but from now on, when ever i go to a third world countr, i will never goin to a chabad house even for a minyan. not only this i will stay away from hotels that are right a few blocks near the chabad houses. its just to bad we live in this kind of world.

That is silly! If you were in India would you not have stayed at the Taj hotel???
A shul in Boro Park has the same threat.
The point is you have to continue living and have trust in Hashem and if it His will for some reason that you get blown up it will happen wherever you are.

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 03:04 AM Anonymous Says:

"Chabad houses have so far had an "open door" policy, and the movement's heads are considering changing this and funding new security arrangements."
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?! NOT CONSIDERING NOTHING! THIS IS WHAT CHABAD IS ABOUT! MAYBE HE SECURITY BUT NOT THE OPEN DOOR POLICY.... WHO SOLD YOU THIS?

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 02:17 AM Kop Doktar Says:

Reply to #17  
Anonymous Says:

i have nothing against chabad, i even admire the idea of chbad houses, but from now on, when ever i go to a third world countr, i will never goin to a chabad house even for a minyan. not only this i will stay away from hotels that are right a few blocks near the chabad houses. its just to bad we live in this kind of world.

And while you are at it, make sure you legally change your jewish sounding surname, and make sure you never travel under a U.S. passport, and even locally, never wear a kippah or anything that may identify you as a jew. In fact, just to be safe, don't even live in a jewish neighborhood. Of course you must never send you children to a jewish school - that's way too dangerous. Because if you fear attending a chabad house, you surely live in fear and need to take these immediate precautions. Unless, you are a selective fool - acting foolishly in selective situations.

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 01:46 AM Anonymous Says:

The Rambam holds under certain circumstances (eg zman oppression) one must do ANY mitzvah, but does this include staying in a Makom Sakana when one doesn't have to? Is this even Mutar? And even worse -- Shlepping one's family and possibly other Yidden (Guards?) to a Makom Sakana. Mutar?

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 06:55 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #23  
Anonymous Says:

The Rambam holds under certain circumstances (eg zman oppression) one must do ANY mitzvah, but does this include staying in a Makom Sakana when one doesn't have to? Is this even Mutar? And even worse -- Shlepping one's family and possibly other Yidden (Guards?) to a Makom Sakana. Mutar?

BS"D

London and Paris and Antwerp and the rest of Europistan are mekoimos sakono. I fear for the US under the new government as well. There have been firebombings in Canada and it was a ness that no one was in the buildings when they were bombed.

E"Y is also a mokom sakono.

So, what do we do? What the terrorists and the Nzis want us to do - hide ourselves or die?

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 08:10 AM . Says:

Oy!

I have no love for the government of the "State of Israel" and do have much respect for Chabad. Though I am very far from being a Chabad person, I do believe Chabad does much more for Jews and Judaism than the "State of Israel."

However, in this case, the "State of Israel" is correct.
1. It is not their job to offer protection to ANY operation outside of their borders other than they embassies. To do so, may actually be considered inflammatory by the host country.
2. For Chabad to accept such protection, would hurt Chabad's credibility

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 08:15 AM Anonymous Says:

Israeli security at internationally located Chabad houses would make them much more of a target than they presently are. I would never enter such a Chabad house if they had Israeli government agents or soldiers or security officers.

Sure, Chabad houses in some areas need security. But this needs to be PURCHASED by them from the hosting country's police!
This way they are getting much better protection, since the security personnell will be actual police officers, and they will have their departments behind them in case of emergency. Also, terrorists would be more hesitant to attack a location protected by the local police, instead of loving the idea of attacking a place guarded by Israelis.

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 08:39 AM Anonymous Says:

Security Wouldn't Have Helped, You Think The Hotel Had No Security?

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 08:55 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #26  
Anonymous Says:

Israeli security at internationally located Chabad houses would make them much more of a target than they presently are. I would never enter such a Chabad house if they had Israeli government agents or soldiers or security officers.

Sure, Chabad houses in some areas need security. But this needs to be PURCHASED by them from the hosting country's police!
This way they are getting much better protection, since the security personnell will be actual police officers, and they will have their departments behind them in case of emergency. Also, terrorists would be more hesitant to attack a location protected by the local police, instead of loving the idea of attacking a place guarded by Israelis.

BS"D

That is basically what we do where I am - we have a private security team that also protects Jewish businesses, backed up with heavy police cooperation.

If the state can offer training, that is one thing and it should indeed be paid for by Chabad and done very quietly. But security from E"Y would mean that the Chabad Houses would become armed fortresses that turn away Jews more than they protect anyone.

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 04:22 PM Milhouse Says:

Reply to #27  
Anonymous Says:

Security Wouldn't Have Helped, You Think The Hotel Had No Security?

The hotel had been at a high security alert a few weeks earlier, but they relaxed it shortly before the attack. But even when they were at high alert, it wouldn't have helped, because the terrorists came in the back door, which had no security at all.

Major blame for all of this has to go to the Indian police, who did not shoot the terrorists even when they had them in plain view at the CST station. The photographer who took the photo of that terrorist who looks about 18, said he wished he had a gun instead of a camera. He saw plenty of armed police, and begged them to do something, but they refused. The bottom line is that in India life is cheap.

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 08:52 PM BTW Says:

Reply to #19  
Anonymous Says:

BS"D

I am a Lubavitcher abroad and the last thing I would want to see is security provided by the state.

1) We are not "Israeli" and we do not need to become targets of anti-Israeli peace demonstrators and the like. We are apolitical and want to stay that way.

2) Security guards in E"Y are notoriously anti charedi with the pretense that terrorists dress up as charedim. Here, where I am, B"H the very professional security team knows the difference between me coming to shul at midnight with a sefer and then taking out another sefer, and a suspicious person daring to enter shul at such an unusual hour. In EY I was routinely harassed when I brought tefillin into Center 1 and the tachana hamerkazit because I am a soft target in that the guard can be seen to be doing his job by examining me.

Providing advice to security teams, on a paid basis, is one thing, but Chabad is a local institution in each place that it operates, and not a part or responsibility of any foreign government.

in israel it has happened that terrorists dresssed up as hareidim has it not?

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 08:51 PM so? Says:

Reply to #19  
Anonymous Says:

BS"D

I am a Lubavitcher abroad and the last thing I would want to see is security provided by the state.

1) We are not "Israeli" and we do not need to become targets of anti-Israeli peace demonstrators and the like. We are apolitical and want to stay that way.

2) Security guards in E"Y are notoriously anti charedi with the pretense that terrorists dress up as charedim. Here, where I am, B"H the very professional security team knows the difference between me coming to shul at midnight with a sefer and then taking out another sefer, and a suspicious person daring to enter shul at such an unusual hour. In EY I was routinely harassed when I brought tefillin into Center 1 and the tachana hamerkazit because I am a soft target in that the guard can be seen to be doing his job by examining me.

Providing advice to security teams, on a paid basis, is one thing, but Chabad is a local institution in each place that it operates, and not a part or responsibility of any foreign government.

And when i went to poland on a yeshivishe trip to visit the yeshivas chachmei lublin, the kever of the rebbe reb elimelech in lishenks and dozens of other holy places of the gedolei torah of eastern europe, we were gaurded and protected by round the clock ecorts of Israeli security gaurds (who of course were trained in the IDF)

Hashem bless the soldiers of the IDF and the the "Tzivos Hashem" of Chabad Shluchim.

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 08:48 PM oy Says:

Reply to #15  
Anonymous Says:

y should they do it they are not a jewish nation that seeks to help yiden around the globe.

but the kedushim were killed becouse they were considerd isrealis.

UNDERSTAND???????????????

u r sick thats not how htis works.

its impossible for israel to do this.

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 Dec 02, 2008 at 08:47 PM GREEF Says:

let the "tzivos hashem" gaurd the chabad. why is israel obligated? they are busy enough as it is on a daily basis protecting israel round the clock . if the americans posting here feel so strongly, YOU leave brooklyn , got train in the idf and then become a private security gaurd for all the holztzbergs in all the houses around the globe. until you do that SHUT UP and dont judge israel. its impossible for them to take this one when they are thwarting terror attacks from taking place every single day!!!

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