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Rockland County, NY - Lawsuit Over Lack Of Secular Education In East Ramapo Yeshivas Dropped

Published on: April 12, 2016 11:34 AM
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FILE - Ultra Orthodox Jewish boys seen studying together at a schhol in Brooklyn. September 21, 2014. Photo by Mendy Hechtman/FLASH90FILE - Ultra Orthodox Jewish boys seen studying together at a schhol in Brooklyn. September 21, 2014. Photo by Mendy Hechtman/FLASH90

Rockland County, NY - A lawsuit filed this past November by a group of former students and parents of students of several Chasidic schools in East Ramapo was voluntarily dismissed yesterday by the attorneys representing the seven plaintiffs.

As previously reported on VIN News, four yeshivas and five administrators were named in the suit that charged that the defendants willfully and deliberately refused to acknowledge their students’ need and right to “a minimally adequate secular education.”

Laura Barbieri of Advocates for Justice which represents the plaintiffs said that yesterday’s dismissal should not be seen as a reprieve for the defendants which also included former chancellor of the New York State Board of Regents, Merryl Tisch, the state’s commissioner of education, MaryEllenElia as well as several state agencies, the East Ramapo School District and the district’s school board.

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“We’re not ready to serve the defendants yet,” Barbieri told VIN News.

Barbieri said that Advocates for Justice plans to re-file the case, hopefully before the end of April.


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 Apr 12, 2016 at 11:42 AM OscarMadison Says:

They'll have a much stronger case after the Feds rightfully file charges.

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 Apr 12, 2016 at 12:04 PM Maven Says:

Nice try. They have no case,period. Just a bunch losers rabble rousers trying to blame their personal failures on the frum community.

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 Apr 12, 2016 at 12:24 PM kenyaninwhitehouse Says:

I guess the mafia got to them and threatened them, poor people.

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 Apr 12, 2016 at 12:35 PM OscarMadison Says:

Reply to #2  
Maven Says:

Nice try. They have no case,period. Just a bunch losers rabble rousers trying to blame their personal failures on the frum community.

No, I blame the from community for the failures of the Jewish people.

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 Apr 12, 2016 at 12:45 PM Ina Says:

Not providing a secular education is child abuse!

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 Apr 12, 2016 at 01:18 PM Anonymous Says:

Can someone please tell me what these 9th graders do an entire day? Can your typical yeshivsih or chasidish 9th grader learn gemara a whole day? How many are really learning and how many are bataling away the days? (chasidim are busy with rebas and rebbisha hock while litfisha wasting time on rosh yeshiva hoc.)

So you will ask if they can't learn how can they sit through secular studies? The answer is its different. Its usually much lighter and just a change of pace. I sat through both. It also more structured.

And i am not anti learning. In fact I believe most guys in kollel do learn and are not wasting the day. If so and they are not a strain on family and society they should continue. But 9th graders are really learning? Come on who are you kidding???

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 Apr 12, 2016 at 01:18 PM alterknaker Says:

Ye ye hippies, you fell out the system by choice, you have no one to blame but yourselves

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 Apr 12, 2016 at 01:36 PM YBK Says:

Case not ready? How many years are they out of school?

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 Apr 12, 2016 at 01:13 PM Mosser Says:

Have we learned anything we have learned recently from all the frum "scandals"? (Or since some technically did nothing wrong other than knowingly cheat the
"goyim" in a legal manner lets call it frum unethical behaviors.)
Well the mishna in kiddushin says that if you don't teach your child a clean profession you are teaching them to be a ganef.
Some may ask but don't educated people steal too? Yes of course they do. But is it a necessity as much as it is for non educated. If you have an honorable job at a secular corporation do you need to steal when you are earning a nice salaried wage? Its much more a necessity when you have is an office in some basement in brooklyn.

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 Apr 12, 2016 at 02:08 PM Anonymous Says:

Advocates for Justice is another advocacy group that is composed of a bunch of people that are consumed with their own rage, and actually have need for anger management, not a lawsuit. There is a real problem with the lack of secular education in yeshivos, and the average graduate of the current yeshiva system is completely unprepared for much more than a life of dependency on parents, in-laws, and government programs. This problem is not solved by lawsuits or witch hunts. It is not solved by the unbridled rage and fanaticism that characterize this trend of advocacy groups. If these groups would work from within to solve the problem, much could be accomplished. The media blitzes and court manipulations do not work.

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 Apr 12, 2016 at 02:25 PM Maven Says:

No Torah Jew should ever listen to the nonsense of these rabble rousers.The Torah teaches us plenty and even how to behave with Goyim. The Torah does not allow to steal from Goyim. We need nothing to learn from these supposed ''Mentchen".

The person who heads this whole shenanigans has some clips on you tube from his wedding. Its worthwhile to watch it to get a picture what he is all about. One of his best friends was a whole macher at his wedding was without a Yarmulka. When the Rav explained him about the Ketubah he laughed him off. So Mentchlickit is the last thing WE should learn from this trouble maker.

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 Apr 12, 2016 at 03:15 PM Mark Levin Says:

Advocates is just another way of saying RABLE ROUSER.

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 Apr 12, 2016 at 03:27 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

Advocates for Justice is another advocacy group that is composed of a bunch of people that are consumed with their own rage, and actually have need for anger management, not a lawsuit. There is a real problem with the lack of secular education in yeshivos, and the average graduate of the current yeshiva system is completely unprepared for much more than a life of dependency on parents, in-laws, and government programs. This problem is not solved by lawsuits or witch hunts. It is not solved by the unbridled rage and fanaticism that characterize this trend of advocacy groups. If these groups would work from within to solve the problem, much could be accomplished. The media blitzes and court manipulations do not work.

Work from within? Is there anyone to talk to? Everyone is bullied by the rabbonim and rebas. Anyone who even tries to approach the mosdos will be put in the dog houses and shamed forever. Change from within will never happen. The mosdos need a kick.

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 Apr 12, 2016 at 04:01 PM Mosser Supporter Says:

Reply to #11  
Maven Says:

No Torah Jew should ever listen to the nonsense of these rabble rousers.The Torah teaches us plenty and even how to behave with Goyim. The Torah does not allow to steal from Goyim. We need nothing to learn from these supposed ''Mentchen".

The person who heads this whole shenanigans has some clips on you tube from his wedding. Its worthwhile to watch it to get a picture what he is all about. One of his best friends was a whole macher at his wedding was without a Yarmulka. When the Rav explained him about the Ketubah he laughed him off. So Mentchlickit is the last thing WE should learn from this trouble maker.

OK maven so lets here the torah jew approach. Continue teaching 9th graders to be batlonim and waste away their days. Or perhaps train them to be stealers and "trick" the goyim when they get older?

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 Apr 12, 2016 at 04:07 PM Anonymous Says:

These plaintiffs need to watch their backs. Remember what Rosenberg from new square endured when he complained? His house with his entire family was burned down. Spitzer then became a hero.

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 Apr 12, 2016 at 04:09 PM Anonymous Says:

What a lot of people are not aware of is the fact that some of the chasidishe boys yeshiva are accredited and the boys attending those yeshiva are able to graduate with a legitimate Bachelors and Masters degree. For example, UTA Mesivta of Kiryas Joel is accredited through the Association of Advanced Rabbinical and Talmudic Schools, Accreditation Commission. Other boys yeshivas that are accredited include, Rabbinical College Bobover Yeshiva Bnei Zion, Talmudical Seminary of Bobov, Yeshivath Viznitz in Monsey, Yeshiva of Nitra Rabbinical College in Mount Kisco, United Talmudical Academy (Satmar) in Williamsburg, Yeshiva Gedolei Imrei Yosef D'Spinka in Boro Park among others. The boys attending these yeshivas can graduate with bachelors degrees so they are getting a very high level education in Judaic Studies which is wonderful.

Satmar girls however, don't learn Chumash, Rashi, Talmud etc so they cant get the same bachelors degree that the boys get and they don't graduate high school with an accredited high school diploma either so if anything, it is the Satmar girls that are the biggest victims here which is just sad as they deserve much better than what they are getting now.

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 Apr 12, 2016 at 05:07 PM Maven Says:

#11 The approach observant Jews should take toward you and your ilks to unmask your true colors,your true agendas,your failures,and above all the jealous envy you guys have against anyone. You are a bunch of hatemongers with empty lives.

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 Apr 12, 2016 at 05:33 PM Anonymous Says:

What is the point of an education? They are not allowed to work anyhow.

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 Apr 12, 2016 at 06:35 PM Mosser Supporter Says:

Reply to #17  
Maven Says:

#11 The approach observant Jews should take toward you and your ilks to unmask your true colors,your true agendas,your failures,and above all the jealous envy you guys have against anyone. You are a bunch of hatemongers with empty lives.

I am a torah observant ehrlicha jew who learned in kollel and supports the concept in kollel. I am not a hatemonger of those that choose to learn. I am not sure what my "true colors" "agendas" and "failures" are. But I am against the current jewish school system and how far to the right it veered even since the 90's. It is not the torah way to raise teenagers to be batlonim and hockers like todays chasidish and yeshivish boys. Its unhealthy and its wrong. To suggest that it will change from the inside is just silly. That will never ever happen and you know it. So now please tell me the torah way.

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 Apr 12, 2016 at 08:29 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
Anonymous Says:

Can someone please tell me what these 9th graders do an entire day? Can your typical yeshivsih or chasidish 9th grader learn gemara a whole day? How many are really learning and how many are bataling away the days? (chasidim are busy with rebas and rebbisha hock while litfisha wasting time on rosh yeshiva hoc.)

So you will ask if they can't learn how can they sit through secular studies? The answer is its different. Its usually much lighter and just a change of pace. I sat through both. It also more structured.

And i am not anti learning. In fact I believe most guys in kollel do learn and are not wasting the day. If so and they are not a strain on family and society they should continue. But 9th graders are really learning? Come on who are you kidding???

You don't know what you're talking about. My ninth grader learns secular studies on a very high level.

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 Apr 13, 2016 at 11:51 AM Mosser Supporter Says:

Reply to #20  
Anonymous Says:

You don't know what you're talking about. My ninth grader learns secular studies on a very high level.

what mesifta is he in? Is he in a yeshivish or chasidish mesifta? (yeshivish doesn't just mean black hats. It means much more than that.)

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 Apr 13, 2016 at 01:30 PM ActualJew Says:

learning Gemarra for 10 hours a day trains you to...come to my shul and beg for money.

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