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Jerusalem - Faced With Lawsuit By Ex-Charedim For Failure To Provide A Proper Education, State Of Israel Threatens To Countersue

Published on: April 25, 2016 03:00 PM
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FILE - View of a Yeshiva in the Jerusalem Bayit VeGan neighborhood on March 29, 2016. Photo by Yonatan sindel/Flash90 FILE - View of a Yeshiva in the Jerusalem Bayit VeGan neighborhood on March 29, 2016. Photo by Yonatan sindel/Flash90

Jerusalem - Israel’s state prosecutor has announced that if it loses a suit brought by formerly observant men charging them with failing to provide a sound education, it will countersue approximately 90 Charedi school as well as the parents of the plaintiffs.

The unusual move was reported today by Haaretz and comes in response to a $1.1 million suit filed by 52 men who attended Charedi schools.  It charges that by supporting ultra-Orthodox schools whose curriculums include virtually no secular studies, the state played a part in that education which, according to the suit, left the plaintiffs unqualified to find decent jobs.

“The plaintiffs finished their studies with only basic knowledge of subjects like math, English and science,” said the suit, which noted that the plaintiffs were able to supplement the gaps in their education but only with significant expenditures of time and personal funds.  The lawsuit also alleged that because the plaintiffs are no longer religiously observant they are further discriminated against because they are ineligible for programs that help Charedim augment their education and get jobs.

“The state is denying all responsibility, in a way more fitting for an insurance company,” said Shlomo Lecker, attorney for the plaintiffs, who said that the plaintiffs did not have the ability to make choices about their education as children.

The state argued that it bears no responsibility in the matter, saying that it is parents who chose those schools and the institutions themselves who are to blame.

Mirit Savion, an attorney for the state said that the State of Israel provides a wide array of schools for its citizens, but is in no way responsible for choices made by individuals and that any complaints should be directed “at their parents or at the schools where they studied.”

Parents “knowingly chose these schools for their children,” wrote Savion, saying that the schools “refrained from teaching basic subjects in violation of the law and/or violated other obligations and directives.”

The lawsuit was organized by Out for Change, an organization which advocates for former Charedim.  The group faulted the state for refusing to acknowledge its responsibility in the matter.

“It’s the state’s job to enforce the law and obligate parents to teach their children the core [curriculum],” it said. “Since the state didn’t do so, it bears responsibility for the situation those children are in today.”


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 Apr 25, 2016 at 03:28 PM elyeh Says:

"Chickens coming home to roost"

Maybe if the state of Israel looses the lawsuit they will actually do something about those yeshivas.

And maybe someone will bring this kind of lawsuit in New York and even in New Jersey, and then the state and cities will begin to do something about the shameful English/math and so forth classes in yeshivas here.

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 Apr 25, 2016 at 04:14 PM Anonymous Says:

In new square, it's the intention to keep all students illiterate. It's too late for all if them since they graduate with no English or math classes. They can't even write their signature on documents.

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 Apr 25, 2016 at 05:33 PM shvache_teritz Says:

Sore losers
Bunch of low go's

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 Apr 25, 2016 at 06:00 PM shvigger Says:

Haskalah revisited. Been there, done that.

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 Apr 25, 2016 at 08:52 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
elyeh Says:

"Chickens coming home to roost"

Maybe if the state of Israel looses the lawsuit they will actually do something about those yeshivas.

And maybe someone will bring this kind of lawsuit in New York and even in New Jersey, and then the state and cities will begin to do something about the shameful English/math and so forth classes in yeshivas here.

And yet the yeshiva get millions and millions of federal money for computers which are banned. All this gelt goes directly into the administrator's pockets and parents just don't care if their kids are safe and or getting an education.

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 Apr 25, 2016 at 09:06 PM enlightened-yid Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

In new square, it's the intention to keep all students illiterate. It's too late for all if them since they graduate with no English or math classes. They can't even write their signature on documents.

The irony or it all is that the Haredi culture sincerely believe that they're the Light on to Nations because they're the Chosen! And that other nations watch them as a guide to moral and productive life on earth.

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 Apr 26, 2016 at 03:56 AM Anonymous Says:

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enlightened-yid Says:

The irony or it all is that the Haredi culture sincerely believe that they're the Light on to Nations because they're the Chosen! And that other nations watch them as a guide to moral and productive life on earth.

Enlightened yid. .
Came to the conclusion that you are neither enlightened nor a jew!
Yes ..the jews are a light onto the nations and the chosen people..seems like only a non-jew would make a statement such as you did..and btw, charedi has nothing to do with that.IT ENCOMPASSES THE WHOLEJEWISH NATION, Mr.Uneducated and far from Enlighted! You are the worst self hating ANYTHING.
All your comments on all sights take up the same sing song month after month, year after year..
You're just an annoying parasite. Period, end of sentence.

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 Apr 26, 2016 at 04:09 AM alterknaker Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

In new square, it's the intention to keep all students illiterate. It's too late for all if them since they graduate with no English or math classes. They can't even write their signature on documents.

I'm an x new square yeshiva student, yet I'm B"h a successful business man, I worked myself up after years of working my guts out, but here I am boruch hashem, and so are quite few of my friends, just shows you that where there is a will there is a way, and you guys are a bunch of loosers, a bunch of lazy good for nothing, you guys want to earn an easy buck, so you're blaming the whole world but yourselves, sorry it ain't working like this,

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 Apr 26, 2016 at 10:33 AM kenyaninwhitehouse Says:

get rid of the welfare state and they will RUN to work.

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 Apr 26, 2016 at 12:16 PM Butterfly Says:

People: This is not funny! I recently went to a dr.'s office and while in the waiting room, a Chassidishe young man came in with his mother. The appt. was for him. The nurse brought him the paperwork to fill out. He could not fill it out. He handed it to his mother and asked her to do it for him. She did so and he signed it. If this is what our community is coming to, then this generation will need to take classes at night in English both written and oral. It is not just for work. You need it for day to day living!!

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 Apr 26, 2016 at 03:21 PM scy4851 Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

Enlightened yid. .
Came to the conclusion that you are neither enlightened nor a jew!
Yes ..the jews are a light onto the nations and the chosen people..seems like only a non-jew would make a statement such as you did..and btw, charedi has nothing to do with that.IT ENCOMPASSES THE WHOLEJEWISH NATION, Mr.Uneducated and far from Enlighted! You are the worst self hating ANYTHING.
All your comments on all sights take up the same sing song month after month, year after year..
You're just an annoying parasite. Period, end of sentence.

AMEN!!!

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 Apr 26, 2016 at 03:48 PM jack-l Says:

Reply to #8  
alterknaker Says:

I'm an x new square yeshiva student, yet I'm B"h a successful business man, I worked myself up after years of working my guts out, but here I am boruch hashem, and so are quite few of my friends, just shows you that where there is a will there is a way, and you guys are a bunch of loosers, a bunch of lazy good for nothing, you guys want to earn an easy buck, so you're blaming the whole world but yourselves, sorry it ain't working like this,

A gutten moed. There are always examples of illiterate people making good. It is called syata dishmaya and dont ever forget that. The one giveer is well known. Unknown are the hundreds of yidden forced to schnorer.
My question is you state that "u and a few friend BH did well."
Care to tell me what is the minuscule percentage of your cheder or chabura that was successful?
That is called putting things in proper perspective.
Continued hatzlacah and bracha in you endevours.

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 Apr 26, 2016 at 11:13 PM Anonymous Says:

The boys in high school don't want to learn any English or Math. They believe it is a waste of their time. Their parents allow them and even encourage them to think this way. It is the parents as well as the students who are wasting the money that is given to them by the government. It's a waste to provide books for them and the students are wasting any tuition money their parents are paying for them. The Rebbeim are at fault as well by perpetuating the idea that secular studies are a waste of time. Not only are these boys growing up to be illiterate, they are also not mentches to their secular studies teachers.
Yes, there might be a handful of people who become successful, but most of the time, those people have intelligent frum or even non frum role models to show them how to do it. Many of these people come from parents who are ba'alei teshuva who themselves had great educations, live out in the world, and either overtly or subliminally teach their children that it's important to have an education. If you look at many of the influential frum people, you will see that many of them are ba'alei teshuva who have a secular education under their belts. And even if they

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 Apr 26, 2016 at 11:14 PM Anonymous Says:

And even if they are not ba'alei teshuva, they received a good education so that they can make their way in the world.

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 Apr 27, 2016 at 04:21 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #13  
Anonymous Says:

The boys in high school don't want to learn any English or Math. They believe it is a waste of their time. Their parents allow them and even encourage them to think this way. It is the parents as well as the students who are wasting the money that is given to them by the government. It's a waste to provide books for them and the students are wasting any tuition money their parents are paying for them. The Rebbeim are at fault as well by perpetuating the idea that secular studies are a waste of time. Not only are these boys growing up to be illiterate, they are also not mentches to their secular studies teachers.
Yes, there might be a handful of people who become successful, but most of the time, those people have intelligent frum or even non frum role models to show them how to do it. Many of these people come from parents who are ba'alei teshuva who themselves had great educations, live out in the world, and either overtly or subliminally teach their children that it's important to have an education. If you look at many of the influential frum people, you will see that many of them are ba'alei teshuva who have a secular education under their belts. And even if they

And you are dreaming big time.!
We have thousands of successful millionaires...frum from birth,who happen to have brains, worth more than what YOU thik is so vital to make it in this world!

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 Apr 27, 2016 at 04:25 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
Butterfly Says:

People: This is not funny! I recently went to a dr.'s office and while in the waiting room, a Chassidishe young man came in with his mother. The appt. was for him. The nurse brought him the paperwork to fill out. He could not fill it out. He handed it to his mother and asked her to do it for him. She did so and he signed it. If this is what our community is coming to, then this generation will need to take classes at night in English both written and oral. It is not just for work. You need it for day to day living!!

Live and let live.
There are choices. People can ALWAYS LEARN.if they choose not to,what business is it of yours?
Why do u care if he cant sign his name? If he doesn't care, why do you.

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 Apr 28, 2016 at 12:15 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #15  
Anonymous Says:

And you are dreaming big time.!
We have thousands of successful millionaires...frum from birth,who happen to have brains, worth more than what YOU thik is so vital to make it in this world!

Yes, and I specifically said that those who are successful had frum or even non frum role models to teach them how to succeed in the world. I firmly believe that these successful people all had educated role models who believed in education. Nowhere did I say that frum from birth people don't have brains. But I do believe that if these young people remain provincial all their lives, and don't get an education, those brains are wasted. Look at the difference between the boys and girls in shidduchim. The girls are all so classy and bright while the boys don't know what to do. It's because the girls are getting the education in order to support the boys. Crazy.

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