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The Symbol of Hecher Tzdek under conservative Rabbi Morris Allen
Organizers of the initiative, known as Hechsher Tzedek, hope to use the grant money from the Nathan Cummings Foundation to kick-start the project. Specifically they hope to award the hechsher, a certification identifying kosher foods as having been ethically produced, to at least three companies by September 2009 and at least 15 by the middle of 2010.
Hechsher Tzedek was spearheaded by Minnesota Rabbi Morris Allen largely in response to allegations that surfaced about the treatment of workers at the Agriprocessors kosher meatpacking plant in Postville, Iowa. The initiative aims to certify kosher food producers who meet certain criteria relating to their treatment of workers and environmental sensitivity, among other factors.
According to its mission statement, the Nathan Cummings Foundation seeks "to build a socially and economically just society that values nature and protects the ecological balance for future generations; promotes humane health care; and fosters arts and culture that enriches communities."
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Dec 04, 2008 at 04:14 PM Anonymous Says:
orthodox jews should boycott anything with they're hechsher even it it has other respectable hechsheirim
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Dec 04, 2008 at 04:13 PM Yank Says:
You think people who cannot control themselves vis a vis what they eat, how they dress, what they watch and what they do...will care to eat a diet of foods that is certified by this Hechsher?
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Dec 04, 2008 at 04:20 PM DON'T WORRY Says:
All this hecsher will do is create more JOBS which is good with the econmy being in a slump. SOlets all apply to be masgichim for them and make a few BUCKS off them:) INSTEAD of getting carried away with all this BS:)
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Dec 04, 2008 at 04:25 PM Anonymous Says:
“ orthodox jews should boycott anything with they're hechsher even it it has other respectable hechsheirim ”
most kosher consumers are not orthodox so i don't think that will help any
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Dec 04, 2008 at 04:32 PM T S Says:
Nu. This organization will be only as strong as society lets it to be. If no one allows (let alone asks or pays for) its association, it will die on its own. And the founder will have gotten an abreviated version of what he wanted - money and "fame".
But if any company uses them, the ugliness and blame for spread of this weed is on their face and ground
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Dec 04, 2008 at 04:32 PM Anonymous Says:
“ All this hecsher will do is create more JOBS which is good with the econmy being in a slump. SOlets all apply to be masgichim for them and make a few BUCKS off them:) INSTEAD of getting carried away with all this BS:) ”
that must be what the "j" stands for on the hashgocho...jobs!! LOL
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Dec 04, 2008 at 04:29 PM Anonymous Says:
Why only food.
Why don't they start this hechsher with non food items. Then, after they cover other industries they should move to food. Seriously, can anyone tell me the logic of why it is worse to eat food that was not "ethically prepared" than wearing shoes that were not ethically made
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Dec 04, 2008 at 04:46 PM J is for Jobs Says:
“ that must be what the "j" stands for on the hashgocho...jobs!! LOL ”
Yeah, what the hell is the "J" for? It's certainly NOT for Jewish values!
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Dec 04, 2008 at 04:45 PM I second that Says:
I agree with #1, and I'll boycott.
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Dec 04, 2008 at 04:44 PM Shame on Conservative Jews Says:
#1 is absolutely correct. No matter what other supervision is on the project, no frum person should buy a product that has this ridiculous phony "hechshur" on it. The "Conservatives" also put a hechshur an same sex weddings and marriages, on desecrating Shabbat, and on swordfish. And they absolutely despise Torah Jews, the Torah, and G-d Himself. They feel that they are more "ethical" than G-d.
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Dec 04, 2008 at 04:47 PM Anonymous Says:
The largest percent of people who eat kosher are orthodox.... So with time the companies will realize that it is not cost effective to carry this hashgochoh .. It will fade by itself.
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Dec 04, 2008 at 05:08 PM Yid Says:
Yosef and his brothers (according to Chazal) had a disagreement about the proper way to conduct shcita, e.g., does the animal have to stop moving before we begin to tear it apart. Jewsih Halacha holds that we do NOT have to wait for the animal to stop moving.
Out of Kavod for the creatures of Hashem, if one wants to wait a few more moments before ripping them apart, what is the big deal?? (Less profit!!! OY!!)
And if one wants to make sure workers are treated properly, is there also harm in that??
If there wouldn't have been greed in the industry to begin with, we wouldn't be in this mess.....
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Dec 04, 2008 at 04:58 PM Anonymous Says:
Aside from supporting a Conservative Agenda, is there actually anything wrong with the actual Hashgacha?? And none of us do any business with non-frum Jews? Non-religious Israeli Contractors, etc., ?? Hypocricy??
If they want to go Lifnei Meshuras Hadin, and treat the animals better than actually required by Halacha, what exactly is wrong with that??
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Dec 04, 2008 at 04:55 PM Stam FYI Says:
J is for Justice, the english word for Tzedek
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Dec 04, 2008 at 05:26 PM Anonymous Says:
Nowhere do they say that the food has to be kosher for it to earn this "hechsher". Technichally it could be awarded to a company that cans ham, if they treat their pigs nicely. I wonder if there will be a michshol, someone would see this "hechsher" and think the food is kosher, when in fact it is chazzer treif? I think that would be highly unethical. They would not even earn their own "hechsher"
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Dec 04, 2008 at 05:17 PM Brooklyn caterer Says:
“ Why only food.
Why don't they start this hechsher with non food items. Then, after they cover other industries they should move to food. Seriously, can anyone tell me the logic of why it is worse to eat food that was not "ethically prepared" than wearing shoes that were not ethically made ”
hechsher tzek kosher is not worse then Rubashkin koshr. if u are a oichlei Rubashkin u will not have issue with hechsher tzedk. except for the fact that by eating hechsher tzedek u will know that there was no tzar balei chaim involved. I think its a wondeful idea. I will be sending them a nice donation iyh.
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Dec 04, 2008 at 05:36 PM Anonymous Says:
“ orthodox jews should boycott anything with they're hechsher even it it has other respectable hechsheirim ”
So if they "award" their symbol to Kedem you'll stop buying grape juice? They are doing this simply for PR. I doubt they are looking (at least for the moment) to charge for their certification and compete with the OUs of the world.
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Dec 04, 2008 at 06:02 PM Anonymous Says:
why didnt volover hechsher get it???
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Dec 04, 2008 at 05:42 PM Boycott Says:
I agree with poster #1. I will not but any product with that so called Hecsher on it.
Let them start with their own institutions.
Should JTS get a Hechsher? not if they teach that "gays" and woman can be "rabbis". They have moved away from respect for Halacha, and have joined the "Tikkun Olam" crowd which means any left wing values.
They will have to answer for the damage theycaused Klal Yisroel and the Rubashkins for their malshinus.
Boycott this joke of an organiztion.
They may give a "hechsher" but they are not "tzedek".
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Dec 04, 2008 at 06:09 PM chaim yankel Says:
“ hechsher tzek kosher is not worse then Rubashkin koshr. if u are a oichlei Rubashkin u will not have issue with hechsher tzedk. except for the fact that by eating hechsher tzedek u will know that there was no tzar balei chaim involved. I think its a wondeful idea. I will be sending them a nice donation iyh. ”
I will believe you when I will see a
canceled check
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Dec 04, 2008 at 06:06 PM murray Says:
“ All this hecsher will do is create more JOBS which is good with the econmy being in a slump. SOlets all apply to be masgichim for them and make a few BUCKS off them:) INSTEAD of getting carried away with all this BS:) ”
Does a masgiach for this company have to be shomer shabbos, shomer mitzvahs, and personally keep kosher, as in consuming only foods certified by a real hasgaha, not this joke outfit?
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Dec 04, 2008 at 06:16 PM Dag Says:
Lets not over react. What do I care if a Company wants the Hechser? It doesn't effect me. I think there is more of a reason to boycott Ben & Jerry's b/c of their liberal agenda
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Dec 04, 2008 at 06:23 PM Use Your Head Says:
All of you who have a problem with this hechsher are arrogant and narrow-minded. Who put you in charge? Are you perfect? Have you never committed a sin? Where do you come off appointing yourself the moral authority over everyone? Get a life. Worry about yourself and halevai we should all indeed be honest in our business dealings.
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Dec 04, 2008 at 06:29 PM Anonymous Says:
“ The largest percent of people who eat kosher are orthodox.... So with time the companies will realize that it is not cost effective to carry this hashgochoh .. It will fade by itself. ”
dream on . where are you getting your statistics from?
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Dec 04, 2008 at 06:35 PM Anonymous Says:
“ hechsher tzek kosher is not worse then Rubashkin koshr. if u are a oichlei Rubashkin u will not have issue with hechsher tzedk. except for the fact that by eating hechsher tzedek u will know that there was no tzar balei chaim involved. I think its a wondeful idea. I will be sending them a nice donation iyh. ”
I also just sent them a nice donation . I`ts about time this is taking off . Who needs Rubashkin kosher when we have tzedek kosher .
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Dec 04, 2008 at 06:49 PM Anonymous Says:
“ hechsher tzek kosher is not worse then Rubashkin koshr. if u are a oichlei Rubashkin u will not have issue with hechsher tzedk. except for the fact that by eating hechsher tzedek u will know that there was no tzar balei chaim involved. I think its a wondeful idea. I will be sending them a nice donation iyh. ”
I would suggest that you send them a donation right away , while you still have cash, because I fear your catering business in Brooklyn is going to dry up once your customers find out your food is NOT Certified
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Dec 04, 2008 at 07:02 PM Anonymous Says:
“ orthodox jews should boycott anything with they're hechsher even it it has other respectable hechsheirim ”
My initial reaction was, "Who cares. Live and let live. Let then do as they please, it does not affect us."
However, this "Hashgocho" over the years will begin to gain credibility in the eyes on the less informed, resulting in people eating treifos thinking it is kosher.
So, bottom line, I have to reluctantly agree with you. BOYCOTT
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Dec 04, 2008 at 07:48 PM AuthenticSatmar Says:
What is ethical about calling it a hechsher? I have no problem if someone wants to open his books to an independent association and then publicize its results. In fact, there are already hundreds of such certifications available. By them calling it a hechsher and implying that without it its not "kosher" that in itself is unethical.
The conservative movement is not based on torah values any longer. Why they even call themselves jews is beyond me. There is no difference between a conservative jew and a goy. As long as they live morally correct - to their ruler, then its ok.
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Dec 04, 2008 at 07:41 PM Anonymous Says:
Who gets to define what is ethical and what is not? Are they hiring "ethics experts"? Is there a guide to ethics for them to adhere to, like Torah is the guide for Kosher?
And who will be the mashgichim? Spies from PETA? Union thugs? Conservative rabbis who were fired?
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Dec 04, 2008 at 07:41 PM Leon from bensonhurst Says:
“ orthodox jews should boycott anything with they're hechsher even it it has other respectable hechsheirim ”
Don't all of u understand that these animals are fighting Shekita and kashrus and the TORAH way of life and our Rabbonim don't say one word about it just like in Europe. With all that is happening in the world today it is time that they make a stand. And squash this 'kashrut org.' And the frauds that support and run this org.
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Dec 04, 2008 at 07:14 PM j for justice Says:
for those that claim we are narrow minded please to your research before calling on us as narrow minded.
hechsher tzedek is going to be based on the conservative kashrus not according to the torah laws.
how dare you come on here to compliment a movement that demands animal treatment but also will bring jews like you too go againsts the torah values
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Dec 04, 2008 at 07:13 PM abe Says:
I WILL PERSONALLY BOYCOTT any company that has this so called "Hekhsher".
Why? Because it is built on a lie. Not just a lie, a lie that spilled the 'blood' of others. In order to create their new thing they helped destroy a company and a community, repeating false, unproven allegations. As you can see in this very article itself. They state that they were founded "largely in response to allegations that surfaced about the treatment of workers at the Agriprocessors ".
The allegations of "mistreatment of workers" has never been shown to have any truth to it whatsoever. What HAS been shown is that ICE gave cruel and inhuman punishment to Central American workers they arrested. But what does it matter, now they can go and build a Hekhsher biz.
LISTEN HERE any Jewish companies: I, and thousands of other frum people, will not buy product that is paying protection money to a sham Hekhsher mafia who have been created out of thin air based on libel, destruction and falsehood. Period.
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Dec 04, 2008 at 08:36 PM Anonymous Says:
Why is there so much hatred of such a wonderful effort to elevate kashruth after the damage done by the ongoing chilul hashem playing out in Iowa; over the long term, this new venture could displace so called volover hechsher as the "gold standard"
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Dec 04, 2008 at 09:19 PM Anonymous Says:
can we eat from a hechsher that the supervisors arent shomer shabbos?
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Dec 04, 2008 at 09:17 PM Saychel Says:
“ Why only food.
Why don't they start this hechsher with non food items. Then, after they cover other industries they should move to food. Seriously, can anyone tell me the logic of why it is worse to eat food that was not "ethically prepared" than wearing shoes that were not ethically made ”
#7 has got it right PERIOD.
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Dec 04, 2008 at 09:45 PM Anonymous Says:
“ can we eat from a hechsher that the supervisors arent shomer shabbos? ”
What does "shomer shabbos" have to do with the quality of the hashgacha.....too many cases of an ultra-frum, super shomer shabbos mashgiach sitting in a corner of a food processing plant with his nose buried in his sefer while all sorts of treifus are being brought into the plant...I'd rather have an eagle eye mashgiach even if he is not sitting at the Rebbi's tisch singing Zmirot
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Dec 04, 2008 at 09:36 PM Anonymous Says:
I don't know why we have to care about how animals are treated and for that matter how we treat workers. We don't care how we treat each other so why should we care about animals and goyim.
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Dec 04, 2008 at 09:42 PM reality Says:
“ The largest percent of people who eat kosher are orthodox.... So with time the companies will realize that it is not cost effective to carry this hashgochoh .. It will fade by itself. ”
You live in fantasy world! Come out of your cave & look around reality the smallest percent who eats kosher is frum people so check out your facts.before you make up your own facts
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Dec 04, 2008 at 08:56 PM igood Says:
“ All this hecsher will do is create more JOBS which is good with the econmy being in a slump. SOlets all apply to be masgichim for them and make a few BUCKS off them:) INSTEAD of getting carried away with all this BS:) ”
Please send me info where to apply I'm ready to work
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Dec 04, 2008 at 10:24 PM CyberCynic Says:
“ #1 is absolutely correct. No matter what other supervision is on the project, no frum person should buy a product that has this ridiculous phony "hechshur" on it. The "Conservatives" also put a hechshur an same sex weddings and marriages, on desecrating Shabbat, and on swordfish. And they absolutely despise Torah Jews, the Torah, and G-d Himself. They feel that they are more "ethical" than G-d. ”
"Torah Jews" such as yourself spew so much hatred, arrogance and disdain for anyone who does not conform to what you consider to be authentic Judaism that it's no surprise to find Klal Yisroel in such a sorry, fractious state. If all your Torah learning and practice accomplishes is to instill you with a superiority complex, it's time you reevaluate what you've been taught. Stop hating on fellow Jews, OK?
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Dec 04, 2008 at 11:42 PM Kashrus Pro Says:
“ What does "shomer shabbos" have to do with the quality of the hashgacha.....too many cases of an ultra-frum, super shomer shabbos mashgiach sitting in a corner of a food processing plant with his nose buried in his sefer while all sorts of treifus are being brought into the plant...I'd rather have an eagle eye mashgiach even if he is not sitting at the Rebbi's tisch singing Zmirot ”
What a stupid remark?!?!
If the mashgiach is not shomer shabbos the hasgocha is WORTHLESS even if he is numero uno for all other hashgocha qualities.
When someone is nebach not frum, we dont say "he doesnt keep kosher." We say, "He isnt Shomer Shabbos."
Shmiras Shabbos is the mark what we are "tested" on if we are frum or not.
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Dec 04, 2008 at 11:39 PM Anonymous Says:
“ why didnt volover hechsher get it??? ”
Leave the Voliver Ruv Shlita out of this. He nebach buried a son this week!
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Dec 04, 2008 at 10:51 PM Anonymous Says:
“ hechsher tzek kosher is not worse then Rubashkin koshr. if u are a oichlei Rubashkin u will not have issue with hechsher tzedk. except for the fact that by eating hechsher tzedek u will know that there was no tzar balei chaim involved. I think its a wondeful idea. I will be sending them a nice donation iyh. ”
As a truly frum and not farfrumpt person, I would choose a product with Hechsher Tzedek's seal over one that doesn't have it (assuming the basic Hechsher on the products are the same).
Why not support companies that respect the tzelem elokim of their employees, and that are not involved in gezel and other dishonesty?
Let's not forget, even Yom Kippur is not mechaper for Chilllul Hashem; I'd be happy to avoid supporting companies that cause it.
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Dec 05, 2008 at 12:01 AM Anonymous Says:
“ What a stupid remark?!?!
If the mashgiach is not shomer shabbos the hasgocha is WORTHLESS even if he is numero uno for all other hashgocha qualities.
When someone is nebach not frum, we dont say "he doesnt keep kosher." We say, "He isnt Shomer Shabbos."
Shmiras Shabbos is the mark what we are "tested" on if we are frum or not. ”
shmiras shabbos does NOT tell us about ones frumpkiet. And ones frumpkiet does NOT tell us about ones shmiras shabbos . the posuk says v`shamri bnei yisrael es hashabos . it say aything about frumkiet . read your chumash for a change
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Dec 05, 2008 at 01:24 AM Toras Moshe Emes Says:
Let us make no mistake about the MESSAGE behind this entire "hechsher tzedek" thing in the Perversative Movement: to imply that frum Jews are NOT just. In other words, they are saying that the hechsher tzedek is necessary because religious Jews while overly obsessed with the minutia of what they eat have no regard for their fellow human beings. Therefore they -- unlike the orthodox -- who DO care about human beings NEED to come in and supervise via hechsher tzeddek.
IF their sole concern was the welfare of workers, they'd have been demanding this "hechsher tzeddek" for YEARS by now, especially on those nice designer clothes they wear which are made by child labor in third world sweatshops, if not at least on the working conditions at Perdue Farms or Tyson Foods or whatever other trief they eat.
But they don't, do they? No. Their sole target are products already under kosher supervision, again, to imply that religious jews don't give a wit about ethics.
In simple English, if you support products carrying this hechsher, you are giving support to those who's only wish is to denigrate religious Jews.
I therefore will boycott and urge others to boycott any product carrying this "hechsher" and will similarly urge any legitimate kosher supervisory agency to withdraw ITS hechsher from any product that also carries this "hechsher tzedek."
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Dec 05, 2008 at 12:57 AM Anonymous Says:
Can they be sued if they give a hechsher to a product that is not kosher?
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Dec 05, 2008 at 12:25 AM mnuez Says:
Have you been to shul on yom Kippur? Did you hear the Haftorah leined where Yishayah is told to shout like a shofar what he hears mipi hagvurah? If you have then you know that this hechsher is completely unnecessary and even silly. What's important to Hakadosh Baruch Hu isn't "worker's rights" or any other such nonsense but rather fasting, inui nefesh and - through deep devening - achieving a "closeness to God".
Now these farshtunkeneh Conservatives come along with their "worker's rights" issues. Feh! I've been to shul on Yom Kippur. I know what's important.
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Dec 05, 2008 at 01:44 AM Moshe Says:
I would like to see all of the hasgochas get together and refuse 2 certify any company that puts this label on there product. This is a serious CANCER !!! All frum yidden must fight this.
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Dec 05, 2008 at 10:23 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Let us make no mistake about the MESSAGE behind this entire "hechsher tzedek" thing in the Perversative Movement: to imply that frum Jews are NOT just. In other words, they are saying that the hechsher tzedek is necessary because religious Jews while overly obsessed with the minutia of what they eat have no regard for their fellow human beings. Therefore they -- unlike the orthodox -- who DO care about human beings NEED to come in and supervise via hechsher tzeddek.
IF their sole concern was the welfare of workers, they'd have been demanding this "hechsher tzeddek" for YEARS by now, especially on those nice designer clothes they wear which are made by child labor in third world sweatshops, if not at least on the working conditions at Perdue Farms or Tyson Foods or whatever other trief they eat.
But they don't, do they? No. Their sole target are products already under kosher supervision, again, to imply that religious jews don't give a wit about ethics.
In simple English, if you support products carrying this hechsher, you are giving support to those who's only wish is to denigrate religious Jews.
I therefore will boycott and urge others to boycott any product carrying this "hechsher" and will similarly urge any legitimate kosher supervisory agency to withdraw ITS hechsher from any product that also carries this "hechsher tzedek." ”
Torah:
You didn't answer the question you raised: whether religious Jews are "overly obsessed with the minutia of what they eat have no regard for their fellow human beings"?
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Dec 05, 2008 at 12:00 PM CR Says:
This is simply not worth getting bent out of shape over. The C movement gets a grant from a left-leaning group devoted to environmental protection, worker "rights" and the "arts". I see this as a signal that H-Tz will be but a niche, marginal certification applied only to a few product lines in the "Wild Harvest" section of your supermarket or otherwise appearing at Whole Paycheck (formerly known as Bled and Suck Us).
Despite all the hype this will never be a mainstream mark like the O-U, Kof-K or similar.
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Dec 05, 2008 at 01:06 PM Anonymous Says:
“ I would like to see all of the hasgochas get together and refuse 2 certify any company that puts this label on there product. This is a serious CANCER !!! All frum yidden must fight this. ”
it aint ginna happen budy because people are finally realising that e need someone to supervise the humanr aspect in slaughter houses as well as other working areas . . Thanx to Rubashkin for making us aware of how serious this problem actually is .
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Dec 05, 2008 at 01:00 PM Anonymous Says:
“ I don't know why we have to care about how animals are treated and for that matter how we treat workers. We don't care how we treat each other so why should we care about animals and goyim. ”
u have a very good point . However maybe just maybe if we teach ourself and our children to care about our workers and about our anmimals and teach them hilchos tzar ballei cham then maybe it would rub off a bit on us and we will hopefully treat our neighbors and friends like we should .
And this is where tzedek comes in . Just because the truth hurts does not mean you have to kill the messenger .
A person can take good and bad from any situation . You dont have to agree with the hashkafoss of the modernortho or conservatives yet u can still-learn from someone like Mrs Samuals who is a goy nonethe less. Dont kill the messenger just take the good and apply!
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Dec 05, 2008 at 03:11 PM Anonymous Says:
“ u have a very good point . However maybe just maybe if we teach ourself and our children to care about our workers and about our anmimals and teach them hilchos tzar ballei cham then maybe it would rub off a bit on us and we will hopefully treat our neighbors and friends like we should .
And this is where tzedek comes in . Just because the truth hurts does not mean you have to kill the messenger .
A person can take good and bad from any situation . You dont have to agree with the hashkafoss of the modernortho or conservatives yet u can still-learn from someone like Mrs Samuals who is a goy nonethe less. Dont kill the messenger just take the good and apply! ”
excellent point . Im assuming you are referring to the india attack where the women, a goy, saved moshele?
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Dec 05, 2008 at 02:34 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Aside from supporting a Conservative Agenda, is there actually anything wrong with the actual Hashgacha?? And none of us do any business with non-frum Jews? Non-religious Israeli Contractors, etc., ?? Hypocricy??
If they want to go Lifnei Meshuras Hadin, and treat the animals better than actually required by Halacha, what exactly is wrong with that?? ”
What is wrong with that is that this so-called rabbi together with his organization are at the forefront in destroying Agriprocessors and its owners. If they totally disregard so many other mitzvos in the Torah, it is obvious that they are doing this just for their own recognition. They are celebrating the Rubashkins' demise!! We should not be supporting ANYTHING they do.
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Dec 05, 2008 at 03:41 PM Anonymous Says:
“ What is wrong with that is that this so-called rabbi together with his organization are at the forefront in destroying Agriprocessors and its owners. If they totally disregard so many other mitzvos in the Torah, it is obvious that they are doing this just for their own recognition. They are celebrating the Rubashkins' demise!! We should not be supporting ANYTHING they do. ”
The one and only person to bring down The rubashkin is none other then SM Rubashkim himself along with his cronies and greed. Also involved in their demise is weismandel and the ou. If the ou would have put their foot down years ago they would still be in buiss. today but they were too bling because they get millions from the rubashkin every year
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Dec 06, 2008 at 05:30 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Don't all of u understand that these animals are fighting Shekita and kashrus and the TORAH way of life and our Rabbonim don't say one word about it just like in Europe. With all that is happening in the world today it is time that they make a stand. And squash this 'kashrut org.' And the frauds that support and run this org. ”
Who are you to call other Jews "animals"?!!!??? Why do you have such sinas chinam? Please let me know what organizations you support so that I can boycott them!!!
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Dec 06, 2008 at 05:28 PM Anonymous Says:
“ The largest percent of people who eat kosher are orthodox.... So with time the companies will realize that it is not cost effective to carry this hashgochoh .. It will fade by itself. ”
Speaking of percentages, you are 100% wrong! There are currently no more than 1 million frum Jews in this country (out of a U.S. population of about 300 million). If they were the only ones who were buying kosher products, then it makes NO financial sense for a company to contract with O-U or other hashgacha companies. Other people who buy kosher------- traditional Jews, vegetarians, Seventh-Day Adventists, Moslems, those with food allergies to milk, pork, or shellfish, or people who simply believe that kosher is healthier. Also, a lot of prisons (especially in NY) buy kosher products to serve to inmates who claim to be Jewish (that's a story for another day!!). This is information that I have received directly from OU mashgichim and from Rabbis who work in prisons.
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Dec 06, 2008 at 06:08 PM Roshi Says:
Both the Satmar rebbe 'ZL, and the Lubavitcher rebbe 'ZL would have no tolerance for the hateful language being used against fellow Yiddim who might feel strongly about worker and animal rights and perhaps not have your passion for people like the Rubashkins whose behavior is the real chilul hashem
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Dec 06, 2008 at 08:27 PM bigwheeel Says:
The problem with the Hekhsher Tzedek seal, sponsored by the Conservative movement, is, that it purports to be all-inclusive. And the Halachic part as interpreted [and practiced] by the Conservative movement is problematic for Orthodox Jewish consumers!!!!!!!!
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Dec 06, 2008 at 08:36 PM bigwheeel Says:
“ Have you been to shul on yom Kippur? Did you hear the Haftorah leined where Yishayah is told to shout like a shofar what he hears mipi hagvurah? If you have then you know that this hechsher is completely unnecessary and even silly. What's important to Hakadosh Baruch Hu isn't "worker's rights" or any other such nonsense but rather fasting, inui nefesh and - through deep devening - achieving a "closeness to God".
Now these farshtunkeneh Conservatives come along with their "worker's rights" issues. Feh! I've been to shul on Yom Kippur. I know what's important.
”
Even in your cynicism you don't come across sounding good!!!!!!!!!!!
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Dec 07, 2008 at 03:50 PM Roshi Says:
“ Even in your cynicism you don't come across sounding good!!!!!!!!!!! ”
The only thing that is "Fashtunkanah"
is your hatred of anyone in klas yisroel who might not agree with your warped view of the what is important....Yom kippur teaches us that Hashem loves all yiddin, even conservatives who rightfully value the quality of lives of others more than making a buck
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Dec 07, 2008 at 10:42 PM bigwheeel Says:
“ The only thing that is "Fashtunkanah"
is your hatred of anyone in klas yisroel who might not agree with your warped view of the what is important....Yom kippur teaches us that Hashem loves all yiddin, even conservatives who rightfully value the quality of lives of others more than making a buck
”
First of all, your response should be to # 47. You have your Numbers mixed up. I never used or implied the word "Farshtunkeneh". Besides, you have to be blind, deaf or dumb or all of the above not to realize that #47 is being cynical. Also, I'm afraid, (despite the fact you think of yourself as "sophisticated" (a/o to the Chassidic zhlobs) your English comprehension leaves a lot to be desired!!!!