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Borough Park, NY - Chareidi Girl Molested On Way To School; Hikind: Kudos To Family For Reporting It to Law Enforcement; Hynes Speaks Out

Published on: December 11, 2008 01:56 PM
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Borough Park, NY - Last week, in the shadow of the Mumbai massacre, a significant battle in the ongoing war against sexual abuse in the Orthodox community was begun.

A Chasidic resident of Borough Park, beard, conservative clothes and all, lured early morning a Chasidic girl on her way to school into his home off the street in broad daylight under the pretext of needing some assistance.  He then proceeded to force and molest his victim, who is under the age of 13.

According to State Assemblyman Dov Hikind, who has championed the cause of abuse victims in recent months, the family first reported the incident to his office.  They then contacted four community rabbonim to ask whether they were halachically permitted to report the perpetrator to the authorities.  Three rabbonim allegedly said they didn’t want to get involved.  The fourth, in contrast, permitted them, and apparently strongly urged them to proceed.

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The family then reported the incident to the offices of Kings County DA Charles Hynes, which shortly ordered the arrest of the perpetrator.  The perpetrator has been Arrested and charged with Sexual Abuse in the Second Degree and Endangering the Welfare of a Child, and is awaiting trial.

VIN News praises the “heimishe” family, as Assemblyman Hikind describes them, for coming forward.  VIN News also gives high marks to the courageous, forward-thinking rabbi who allowed the incident’s reportage to the authorities.  Praises goes out once again to the courage of Assemblyman Hikind for publicizing the issue. And a special recognition needs to go out to Rabbi Yaakov Horowitz Menhal Of Yehsiva Darchai Noam In Monsey, NY who has been speaking out publicly on this subject for many years.

[Editors Note: For those who question why VosizNeias posts columns on the matter of abuse; our response is that discussing problems is the first step in solving them. In fact, Rabbi Yakov Horowitz addresses this very question in his column Why I Write Columns on Abuse which appears in this week’s issue  of The Jewish Press. His words speak for themselves—and for the editors of VosizNeias]
VIN News reminds its readers that this incident was perpetrated in the heart of Borough Park, in daylight hours, by a presentable, average-looking Chosid and community member—in contrast to the abuser stereotype of a sinister-looking stranger from the street.

Investigators believe there are more victims of the same perpetrator.  VIN News joins investigators’ call for victims and their families to come forward.  Abuse crimes may be reported to the offices of Assemblyman Hikind or DA Hynes.

In related news, DA Hynes denied charges by a victim’s father that Orthodox community leaders pressured him into lightening charges against his child’s abuser.  In a TV report last night by New York’s PIX 11, Hynes argued that he was working hard to prosecute abusers.  “There is a suspicion that the orthodox community will hide its sins,” he told an interviewer.  “I have not found that to be true.  They know that I am very, very aggressive on this stuff.”

However, in an anonymous interview in the same report, the victim’s father insisted that Hynes had been pressured into lessening charges against the accused perpetrator.  “I was actually forced to agree to that,” he said.  “The rabbis in the Jewish community tell the District Attorney, ‘Back off.’ “

Countered Hynes: “I have two signed statements from parents—they don’t want to put their kids through the torture of a trial.”  The report added that Hynes is pushing for a change in extradition laws with Israel to allow old flights from justice to be returned to American courts for trial.

Perhaps most significantly, the report mentioned that Hynes “would like to sign a memo of understanding” with Orthodox community leaders that they would turn over allegations of abuse to his office instead of trying to handle them within the community—similar to the 2002 agreement with the Catholic Church in the wake of its abusive-priests scandal.  VIN is unsure yet cautiously optimistic about this latter development.

See below WPIX TV Report



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1

 Dec 11, 2008 at 02:02 PM Anonymous Says:

maybe if they castrate him and then sowit on his farhead it will stop others from doing such disgusting acts!

2

 Dec 11, 2008 at 02:03 PM Anonymous Says:

Thank you Rabbi Rosenberg.You are a true mentch who wont stop to help these poor victims. Hatzlach Rabba

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 02:05 PM Anonymous Says:

may we bring this abuser to full justice and let him rot in jail!!!whoever dissagrees than or he doesnt have children or he is a molester himself!!!

4

 Dec 11, 2008 at 02:07 PM Anonymous Says:

umbelievale we just sit back as they destroy our young and innocent kids!!we want full justice

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 02:10 PM Anonymous Says:

The Rabbonim MUST wake up and realize that they are the "leaders" of our nation in this generation and if they don;t get involved and if they dont pursue the predators, then who will protect our children?? Our heilige neshamos?? I say to the Rabbonim, Stand up and fight the battle you are faced with!! Stop this "I dont want to get involved" because then waht are you? Why are you wearing an uphat and frak and speaking on shabbos, do we really need to hear the vort you think is so great or do we need you to protect our children. Enough already!! Do your Job!!

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 02:21 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

maybe if they castrate him and then sowit on his farhead it will stop others from doing such disgusting acts!

Great idea. Public humiliation. poor victims. Hynes was right - it kills a soul.

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 02:24 PM Anonymous Says:

The rabbanim don't care. They are afraid if a big donor gets caught they're pidyoines dry up

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 02:31 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #5  
Anonymous Says:

The Rabbonim MUST wake up and realize that they are the "leaders" of our nation in this generation and if they don;t get involved and if they dont pursue the predators, then who will protect our children?? Our heilige neshamos?? I say to the Rabbonim, Stand up and fight the battle you are faced with!! Stop this "I dont want to get involved" because then waht are you? Why are you wearing an uphat and frak and speaking on shabbos, do we really need to hear the vort you think is so great or do we need you to protect our children. Enough already!! Do your Job!!

#5 is right on the mark, these acts of molestation affect GENERATIONS, of our heilege neshomos, the one act that was done to this poor girl, will affect her, her entire life, it will effect her children and actualy she may never be able to put this behind her, and here we have 3 Rabbonim who dont want to get involved????!!! Then become plumbers or mechanics or janitors, why do we as a K'lal, need Rabbonim who refuse to fight for OUR neshomos? Ask yourself this question, its a good one! Rabbonim, are you embarrased to deal with these situations? Well, to Bad, you have a job to do and unfortunately this is a huge problem in our generation and so face it head on and investigate, educate yourselves in this matter, pursue the monsters who are destroying the very fabric of our people. These predators are truly murderes of the souls of our children. WAKE UP!! May Hashem help this girl get over this, may Hashem help all the victims. May the Ribono Shel Olam lift the Choshech off the eyes of the Rabbonim, to make a stand and pursue and protect. May Hashem cure these predators from their sickness and disease. May we see the coming of Mashiach in our days, today!!
But please, I beg of you, Rabbonim, we need you, stop hiding.

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 02:26 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

Thank you Rabbi Rosenberg.You are a true mentch who wont stop to help these poor victims. Hatzlach Rabba

to number 2: i think we understand what you mean, but, to quote your words " who wont stop to help" were a bad mistake. more like "he wont stop helping. sorry for the nitpicking but your words could be misunderstood.

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 02:44 PM Big Masmid Says:

Use my name and; Tell the three Ra-Bonim who could not get involved, to resign form their prestige's position, what a bunch of cowards, a parent with a HUGE problem calls for a Psak and all they can say I don't want to get involved??? this is sick.........A suggestion to Dov Hikind, we should have demonstrations in front of their Shull and home.

If this behavior is not stopped NOW, a time will soon come that we'll have to walk our children to and from school, will not be able to send a child to a grocery store even on the same block !!! this is no joke.

It great to know that Dov Hiking is on top of this situation and the madman who committed the Toavah is behind bars.

Lets Daven and ask Hashem for the immediate Geulah .
Thank you Dov and Nucham Rosenburg :)

If anybody knows who the three Ra-Bonim are please post their names.

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 02:42 PM Anonymous Says:

I'm not sure why the parents felt they had to ask a ruv if they could file a complaint? This is a criminal matter, no?

12

 Dec 11, 2008 at 02:41 PM eitza geber Says:

Talk to your children. Teach them to be aware

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 02:40 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
Anonymous Says:

#5 is right on the mark, these acts of molestation affect GENERATIONS, of our heilege neshomos, the one act that was done to this poor girl, will affect her, her entire life, it will effect her children and actualy she may never be able to put this behind her, and here we have 3 Rabbonim who dont want to get involved????!!! Then become plumbers or mechanics or janitors, why do we as a K'lal, need Rabbonim who refuse to fight for OUR neshomos? Ask yourself this question, its a good one! Rabbonim, are you embarrased to deal with these situations? Well, to Bad, you have a job to do and unfortunately this is a huge problem in our generation and so face it head on and investigate, educate yourselves in this matter, pursue the monsters who are destroying the very fabric of our people. These predators are truly murderes of the souls of our children. WAKE UP!! May Hashem help this girl get over this, may Hashem help all the victims. May the Ribono Shel Olam lift the Choshech off the eyes of the Rabbonim, to make a stand and pursue and protect. May Hashem cure these predators from their sickness and disease. May we see the coming of Mashiach in our days, today!!
But please, I beg of you, Rabbonim, we need you, stop hiding.

Did you look up the halochos of whether it is allowed to maasor these people. I am not saying that they didn't do wrong (the abusers) but maybe the rabbonim don't have the power to do what should be done. Nowadays; the klal decides what the Rabbonim should do instead of the Rabbonim taking a stand and leading. Both issues are sad, that we have abusers in our midst and that we have Rabbonim that are ineffectual.

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 02:38 PM mendee Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

maybe if they castrate him and then sowit on his farhead it will stop others from doing such disgusting acts!

i agree with . 100%.i told my boys b/4 they went to camp , if they feel that someone is going 2 start with them .just tell them u have a crazy father he will tear u apart,

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 02:37 PM yossele Says:

Reply to #5  
Anonymous Says:

The Rabbonim MUST wake up and realize that they are the "leaders" of our nation in this generation and if they don;t get involved and if they dont pursue the predators, then who will protect our children?? Our heilige neshamos?? I say to the Rabbonim, Stand up and fight the battle you are faced with!! Stop this "I dont want to get involved" because then waht are you? Why are you wearing an uphat and frak and speaking on shabbos, do we really need to hear the vort you think is so great or do we need you to protect our children. Enough already!! Do your Job!!

Aderaba.
They are not "leaders" unless they lead.

The rov that encouraged the family to act is a leader.

Those Jews that "did not want to get involved" -- based on what are they called "rabbonim"?

It would have been more respectable for them to say "osur", than to ask to be left alone...

If they cannot lead left or right, they should step out of the way for those who can.

16

 Dec 11, 2008 at 02:36 PM Anonymous Says:

How about the Batei Dinim ?? Is there any way the Rabonim can crack down on those Corrupted Dayonim

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 02:33 PM Anonymous Says:

I know this is unrealistic ,but they should announce the names of the three "rabbonim" that didnt want to get involved.............

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 02:32 PM Simcha Says:

Why did they need to consult with rabbonim before calling the authorities. They should not have hesitated to call the police. What would have happened if the fourth Rav said he did not think it was appropriate to call the authorities? Would this have gone unreported?

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 02:48 PM Big Masmid Says:

Use my name and; Tell the three Ra-Bonim who could not get involved, to resign form their prestige's position, what a bunch of cowards, a parent with a HUGE problem calls for a Psak and all they can say I don't want to get involved??? this is sick.........A suggestion to Dov Hikind, we should have demonstrations in front of their Shull and home.

If this behavior is not stopped NOW, a time will soon come that we'll have to walk our children to and from school, will not be able to send a child to a grocery store even on the same block !!! this is no joke.

It great to know that Dov Hiking is on top of this situation and the madman who committed the Toavah is behind bars.

Lets Daven and ask Hashem for the immediate Geulah .
Thank you Dov and Nucham Rosenburg :)

If anybody knows who the three Ra-Bonim are please post their names.

20

 Dec 11, 2008 at 02:46 PM Anonymous Says:

1. Fact! Castration DOES NOT stop a molester. The crazed craving to molest is independent of the resultant stimulus. As in the case of last week, even a man in a wheelchair and half paralyzed (Mr. I.) is capable of the twisted control passion that infects a molester. Only the real high probability of hard and long jailtime, and the resultant abuse he will experience from fellow inmates, can deter them from acting on these devious desires.

2. Three in four rabbis when faced with making a halachic ruling in this regard failed to exhibit testicular fortitute and rule either way! Lord, me hopes it aint so. Perhaps we should start turning to the local Imams for spiritual guidance. TO WHOM CAN WE FRUM ERLICHER YIDDEN TURN TO. It might be more beneficial to our society to expose the names of the 3 feckle rabbis then to expose the name of this molester.

21

 Dec 11, 2008 at 03:18 PM DEEPTHINKER Says:

YOU'RE ALL RIGHT!

HE SHOULDN'T HAVE ASKED ANYONE. HE SHOULD HAVE KILLED HIM ON THE SPOT.

22

 Dec 11, 2008 at 03:18 PM jz Says:

Reply to #11  
Anonymous Says:

I'm not sure why the parents felt they had to ask a ruv if they could file a complaint? This is a criminal matter, no?

what kind of crazy parents have to get the OK from ANYONE to protect their children and get justice for
what any pervert of a monster might do or has done...

23

 Dec 11, 2008 at 03:18 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #13  
Anonymous Says:

Did you look up the halochos of whether it is allowed to maasor these people. I am not saying that they didn't do wrong (the abusers) but maybe the rabbonim don't have the power to do what should be done. Nowadays; the klal decides what the Rabbonim should do instead of the Rabbonim taking a stand and leading. Both issues are sad, that we have abusers in our midst and that we have Rabbonim that are ineffectual.

Sounds like you are one of the people who have reason to worry if victims of pedophiles start going to the police.

24

 Dec 11, 2008 at 03:17 PM Anonymous Says:

i cant believe what a sick world we live in

25

 Dec 11, 2008 at 03:21 PM rifki Says:

Reply to #18  
Simcha Says:

Why did they need to consult with rabbonim before calling the authorities. They should not have hesitated to call the police. What would have happened if the fourth Rav said he did not think it was appropriate to call the authorities? Would this have gone unreported?

and how many such horrific
acts have gone unpunished...
because these things have to be "hushed" up and not put
a blemish on the community???




26

 Dec 11, 2008 at 03:17 PM Anonymous Says:

Parents--wake up!! Tell your children not to go alone with any stranger no matter how frum they look

27

 Dec 11, 2008 at 03:13 PM Anonymous Says:

Child abuse of a sexual nature should be punishable by death. period. you destroy a life and the lives of generations to follow you dont deserve to live.

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 03:13 PM seichel brosh Says:

Why is the name and address not published so people can be careful
To the best of my knowledge he is not an ordinary chasidic man
unless there is more than one in the immediate area

30

 Dec 11, 2008 at 03:12 PM Anonymous Says:

I cannot understand why there was any delay whatsoever in notifying the authorities.
This is a clearcut case of a rodef, a pursuer, out to harm Jewish children. Delaying the matter only enables the perpetrator to discard evidence, such as bodily fluids.
Also, who knows who else might have been victimized in the interim?

It is beyond me as to why Hikind even paused to ask a shailah of no less than four supposed rabbinic leaders (3 of which are at best incompetent).

We as a community must demand better from our supposed leaders.

Also, we must teach our children rules of safety, such as never going to a stranger, or even to an acquaintance, out of the public eye. Teach them the laws of yichud, and teach them to trust their gut instinct and listen to their gut feelings.

Unfortunately, we cannot rely on some uncaring educators and rabbonim, otherwise they would have long ago created a curriculum to teach safety and made
it crystal clear to sexual predators that our community will do everything in its power to protect our children. [You'll notice such things do not occur in Italian neighborhoods--the perpetrator knows what would happen to him!]

We are living in a generation wherein leadership is weak to absent. This is but another sign of the pre-messianic era.

Hashem yarachem.

31

 Dec 11, 2008 at 03:09 PM jz Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

maybe if they castrate him and then sowit on his farhead it will stop others from doing such disgusting acts!

and this act isn't disgusting --
the one you mention.. why not do like in the good old days of the wild wild west... just Hang
Him High... and in the town square....

32

 Dec 11, 2008 at 03:32 PM fed up Says:

i respect daas torah and rabbonnim i just wanted to get that out in the open bfore my comment. I wonder if these same ("SO CALLED") rabbonnim would be asked to have a kibbud such as mesader kiddishin or brucher achrite or sandek would they say oh I DONT WANT TO GET INVOLVED?????????????? so its all BS we should just throw away the title in front of their names and they should sit in back of the shul which they dont deserve to be sitting in mizrach vant with a fancy leather chair......... its just crazy what the heck are they rabbonnim for if not for the klal............. we should lock this and all other sick pervs in jail and let them rot..... i just feel bad for the family of the perp they nebach suffer for no reason other than having a sick father/husband/zaide....

33

 Dec 11, 2008 at 03:29 PM Anonymous Says:

A name, picture, anyone?

34

 Dec 11, 2008 at 03:04 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #13  
Anonymous Says:

Did you look up the halochos of whether it is allowed to maasor these people. I am not saying that they didn't do wrong (the abusers) but maybe the rabbonim don't have the power to do what should be done. Nowadays; the klal decides what the Rabbonim should do instead of the Rabbonim taking a stand and leading. Both issues are sad, that we have abusers in our midst and that we have Rabbonim that are ineffectual.

"Did you look up the halochos of whether it is allowed to maasor these people"

If this happend to your kid, would you go ask a shaileh? It's because of idiots like you that we have so many problems.

These type of "people" are a menace to society, they should be publicly humiliated and thrown out of our community.


35

 Dec 11, 2008 at 03:36 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #27  
Anonymous Says:

Child abuse of a sexual nature should be punishable by death. period. you destroy a life and the lives of generations to follow you dont deserve to live.

Now u talkin'

36

 Dec 11, 2008 at 03:35 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #11  
Anonymous Says:

I'm not sure why the parents felt they had to ask a ruv if they could file a complaint? This is a criminal matter, no?

There are halachos. You can't just be a Massor... They showed a great example.

37

 Dec 11, 2008 at 03:34 PM a concerned yid Says:

I wish that you would publicize the names of the three "rabonim" who wouldnt get involved. Torah leaders should come out and punish these rabonim with the loss of thier kehila and any teaching positions they may have as they are now not trustworthy with children. apparently money or thier jobs are more important than halacha and protecting children. I beg for thier to be an easily accessable list of people who have targeted frum yidden before or that are part of the frum community so we can know where kids should avoid. Kudos to the Rav who stood up and encouraged these poor people to go to the police. If this is found to be true he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and put in chairem when he is released back into the public.

38

 Dec 11, 2008 at 03:02 PM hurt Says:

thak you reb nuchim
keep up the good work
dont let people with the hard hearts overtake you

39

 Dec 11, 2008 at 03:01 PM shteig Says:

Vayikra 19 : Lo sa'amod al dam reiacha - do not stand by and watch your neighbor's blood - not complicated. Straight pasok in chumash.

40

 Dec 11, 2008 at 03:00 PM mendee Says:

Reply to #16  
Anonymous Says:

How about the Batei Dinim ?? Is there any way the Rabonim can crack down on those Corrupted Dayonim

the botea diniem are croupted , every posuk in parshas meshpotiem , they descreat they take bribery .4 cash or power a big giver pused them into it

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 02:58 PM Anonymous Says:

Look at Shaarei Teshuva it says very bad things about men who abuse little girls, kal vachomer little boys. The Rabbis need to understand that sexual abuse is taking place in the orthodox jewish community and if not stopped our children will be at risk for going off the derech, which is another problem facing the orthodox jewish community.


October 6, 2008

Monsey-based rabbi charged with sexually abusing girl for nearly a decade

Steve Lieberman
The Journal News

Federal agents today arrested a Monsey-based rabbi on accusations that he had sex with a female relative over the course of a decade, starting when she was 9 years old.

FBI agents arrested Rabbi Israel Weingarten, 58, at his Monsey home this morning on a grand jury indictment, according to the U.S. Attorney's Office in Brooklyn.

Weingarten is charged with five federal counts, accusing him of traveling around the world to have sex with the minor and avoid being charged.

The indictment charges him with two counts of knowingly and intentionally transporting a minor in foreign commerce with the intent to engage in a sexual activity. He also is charged with three counts of knowingly and intentionally traveling in foreign commerce for the purpose of engaging in a sexual act with a minor.

If convicted at trial, Weingarten faces an estimated prison term of 168 to 210 months in prison, according to the U.S. Attorney's Office.

Weingarten is accused of abusing the young girl on a weekly and sometimes daily basis in Belgium, Israel and the United States, according to documents filed with the U.S. District Court in Brooklyn.

The girl left her family and the Satmar Hasidic Jewish community in September 1999, when she was 18 years old, federal documents state.

Weingarten is accused of trying to kidnap her in 1999 from a family trying to protect her in England, according to the documents. He's accused of assaulting that rabbi and his wife, who were trying to protect the girl.

Weingarten, a married father of eight, teaches children for the Satmar Hasidic Jewish community, the documents said. He ran a Satmar school in Belgium and worked for religious elementary and secondary schools in Brooklyn.

U.S. Attorney Benton Campbell asked Judge Magistrate Joan M. Azrack to order Weingarten held without bail. In court papers, Campbell argued Weingarten was a flight risk and a danger to the witnesses and victim.

"He moved her to different countries in order to continue the abuse and to escape any threat that he would be apprehended as word of his abuse began to spread," Campbell wrote. "He has resorted to threats and violence to intimidate those who tried to protect the victim and other members of his family."

SOURCE: http://www.lohud.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081006/NEWS03/810060385

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 02:57 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #13  
Anonymous Says:

Did you look up the halochos of whether it is allowed to maasor these people. I am not saying that they didn't do wrong (the abusers) but maybe the rabbonim don't have the power to do what should be done. Nowadays; the klal decides what the Rabbonim should do instead of the Rabbonim taking a stand and leading. Both issues are sad, that we have abusers in our midst and that we have Rabbonim that are ineffectual.

GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK AND CORRUPT HEAD . THERE IS NO MASSERING INVOLVED WHEN WE ARE DEALING WITH MOLESTERS. Rav elyashiv among many other gedoley hador already pakened this.

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 02:55 PM Anonymous Says:

The only way to take care of this problem is to either create a VAAD of qualified rabanim who understand the issue and do what they must . Or simply put the names f the molesters on the internet for all to see.

44

 Dec 11, 2008 at 03:43 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #36  
Anonymous Says:

There are halachos. You can't just be a Massor... They showed a great example.

Go learn instead of hanging out here and showing for the world the Am HaAretz you are. 'Meseere' and its awful conotations are irrelevant in instances of redufo or pikuach nefesh. The advice or permission of a rabbi need not be saught. Only where the attacker is underage or otherwise not a baal daas need you ask a rov.

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 03:42 PM Anonymous Says:

#43 you are right. Just i think a vaad is a better idea.

46

 Dec 11, 2008 at 03:40 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #13  
Anonymous Says:

Did you look up the halochos of whether it is allowed to maasor these people. I am not saying that they didn't do wrong (the abusers) but maybe the rabbonim don't have the power to do what should be done. Nowadays; the klal decides what the Rabbonim should do instead of the Rabbonim taking a stand and leading. Both issues are sad, that we have abusers in our midst and that we have Rabbonim that are ineffectual.

YUTZ! Did you read "THEY DIDN'T WANT TO GET INVOLVED". They didn't say they will handle it...We are a Dor Yosum we need real Rabonim like Reb Yaakov Kaminetzky, Rem Aharon Kutler, Reb Moshe, The Real Satmar Rebbi ZT"L, etc...

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 03:40 PM Anonymous Says:

Publish the name and address of this molester so that we can ALL take "CARE" of him! You have to castrate him and cut off his hands, too!!

48

 Dec 11, 2008 at 03:40 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #30  
Anonymous Says:

I cannot understand why there was any delay whatsoever in notifying the authorities.
This is a clearcut case of a rodef, a pursuer, out to harm Jewish children. Delaying the matter only enables the perpetrator to discard evidence, such as bodily fluids.
Also, who knows who else might have been victimized in the interim?

It is beyond me as to why Hikind even paused to ask a shailah of no less than four supposed rabbinic leaders (3 of which are at best incompetent).

We as a community must demand better from our supposed leaders.

Also, we must teach our children rules of safety, such as never going to a stranger, or even to an acquaintance, out of the public eye. Teach them the laws of yichud, and teach them to trust their gut instinct and listen to their gut feelings.

Unfortunately, we cannot rely on some uncaring educators and rabbonim, otherwise they would have long ago created a curriculum to teach safety and made
it crystal clear to sexual predators that our community will do everything in its power to protect our children. [You'll notice such things do not occur in Italian neighborhoods--the perpetrator knows what would happen to him!]

We are living in a generation wherein leadership is weak to absent. This is but another sign of the pre-messianic era.

Hashem yarachem.

Sorry to burst your bubble but when Dr. Mondro... lived on 60th street he was molesting his italian neighbor's kids too.

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 03:38 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #17  
Anonymous Says:

I know this is unrealistic ,but they should announce the names of the three "rabbonim" that didnt want to get involved.............

no they shouldnt. if they dont know the halachos they are not permitted to answer. they show that even though it's not so respectful, they only answer to what they are clear in.

50

 Dec 11, 2008 at 03:37 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #15  
yossele Says:

Aderaba.
They are not "leaders" unless they lead.

The rov that encouraged the family to act is a leader.

Those Jews that "did not want to get involved" -- based on what are they called "rabbonim"?

It would have been more respectable for them to say "osur", than to ask to be left alone...

If they cannot lead left or right, they should step out of the way for those who can.

they didnt step into the way. someone asked them a shaila and they didnt know what to answer. rather keep quiet than say a wrong answer.

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 03:48 PM Kanoy Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

maybe if they castrate him and then sowit on his farhead it will stop others from doing such disgusting acts!

At the same time you are castrating the m'nuval who did this, it may be worthwhile to also castrate the
RAH BONNIM who told the parent's not to go to the authorities.

52

 Dec 11, 2008 at 03:47 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #43  
Anonymous Says:

The only way to take care of this problem is to either create a VAAD of qualified rabanim who understand the issue and do what they must . Or simply put the names f the molesters on the internet for all to see.

not only on the internet. we should post them together with those posters that are hung up, chinese auction, brichim haboim, hasnosos sefer torah, and all mikvahs yes mikvahs too because then ppl wont let them in where its very convenient for these animals.....

53

 Dec 11, 2008 at 03:56 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #45  
Anonymous Says:

#43 you are right. Just i think a vaad is a better idea.

and what credentials does thiss vaad have. and what powers? sorry, u r still living in lala land. we trusted chinuch in the hands of vaads and look where we stand today!

54

 Dec 11, 2008 at 03:56 PM Anonymous Says:

Expose the perpertrators!!!!! expose the rabbonim that want to protect the molestors

55

 Dec 11, 2008 at 03:55 PM THINK Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

may we bring this abuser to full justice and let him rot in jail!!!whoever dissagrees than or he doesnt have children or he is a molester himself!!!

Just imagine that it was your brother who did this would you still talk like this.

I also agree that we have to do something about this problem, but it has to be well thought out

56

 Dec 11, 2008 at 03:54 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #42  
Anonymous Says:

GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK AND CORRUPT HEAD . THERE IS NO MASSERING INVOLVED WHEN WE ARE DEALING WITH MOLESTERS. Rav elyashiv among many other gedoley hador already pakened this.

Rabbi Herschel Shcachter Shlita of the YU Kollel discusses the halcha with regard to this topic on numerous video taped shiurim available on the web. This gaon and ehrlicher yid knows the sources well and dissects the issue so well leaving few unanswered questions, if any.

57

 Dec 11, 2008 at 03:50 PM Joe Says:

Give me the guys name, and i would happily go and make sure he has no more yetzer no more.

58

 Dec 11, 2008 at 04:05 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #55  
THINK Says:

Just imagine that it was your brother who did this would you still talk like this.

I also agree that we have to do something about this problem, but it has to be well thought out

I agree....a well thought out life term in rikers is most apropriate. BUT it must be well thought out. BTW, what the h... is well thought out? suggestions please. and i told my brother once as a joke but i meant it too, that if he pulled this off on any kid even not my own, i will show up at his home with a rusty serated knife. Like the great philosipher Boog once said: No quarter for a molester, but a hind quarter on the coals.

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 04:00 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #50  
Anonymous Says:

they didnt step into the way. someone asked them a shaila and they didnt know what to answer. rather keep quiet than say a wrong answer.

buddy your off your rocker the rabbonnim didnt say they dont know what to answer they said WE DONT WANT TO GET INVOLVED to me that means they know the real answer but they know what would happen if they did say go to the police so maybe you should join these so called rabbonnim and just stay away from the klal obviously they supposedly there for the klal TO GET INVOLVED otherwise they are all like the rest of us

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 04:00 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #50  
Anonymous Says:

they didnt step into the way. someone asked them a shaila and they didnt know what to answer. rather keep quiet than say a wrong answer.

big difference between refusing to rule and saying ich veis nisht

61

 Dec 11, 2008 at 03:59 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #13  
Anonymous Says:

Did you look up the halochos of whether it is allowed to maasor these people. I am not saying that they didn't do wrong (the abusers) but maybe the rabbonim don't have the power to do what should be done. Nowadays; the klal decides what the Rabbonim should do instead of the Rabbonim taking a stand and leading. Both issues are sad, that we have abusers in our midst and that we have Rabbonim that are ineffectual.

There is a reason why the people tell the rabbonim what to do, and the reason is this example right here!! Why should anyone listen to these 3 rabbonim again?? No, we tell them what to do now, because they have shown us that they dont have the Testical fortitude to stand up for what is right!! We need a leader in K'lal Yisroel, and we need our "leaders, rabbonim" to be Leaders, and that means to fight for what is right!! Being a Rav does not mean only settling neighborly disputes etc... it does not mean only telling the baalei baatim to turn off their cell phones, it means making right out of wrong, it means sometimes doing the uncomfortable thing, but at the end of the day it means always doing the right thing. If the Rabbonim are only concerned about protecting their own TUCHUS, then that is what they are, a peice if tuchus fleish. Shame on you, you 3 rabbonim, shame on you!!

62

 Dec 11, 2008 at 03:59 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #49  
Anonymous Says:

no they shouldnt. if they dont know the halachos they are not permitted to answer. they show that even though it's not so respectful, they only answer to what they are clear in.

had they answered "i dont know" then u have a point. BUT THEY SAID THEY DO NOT WANT TO GET INVOLVED. Hashem yeracheim aleinu. toothless dogs should be added to the end of the mesechte when the gemarah says that before moshiach PNEI HADOR K'PNEI HAKELEV.

63

 Dec 11, 2008 at 04:09 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #36  
Anonymous Says:

There are halachos. You can't just be a Massor... They showed a great example.

There is no more of an issue of mesira to report a pedophile who has abused a child to the police then there is an issue of mesira to call the fire department when there you see a house on fire.

Go get farfrumpt on your own cheshbon and make your own tzaros worse with your twisted agenda.

Leave the rest of klal yisroel out of you mishugasin.

64

 Dec 11, 2008 at 04:42 PM responsible??? Says:

If the 3 Rabeim are being paid out of community funds, especially, they should be RESPONSIBLE for the community. If someone else, Chas Vesholom, is molested, wouldn't it be on their heads?? Take THEM to court, or beis din???

65

 Dec 11, 2008 at 04:39 PM POWER UP Says:

i applaud those people for being enough strong and not tearing that person apart, and going to ask a psak from a rav, i would not be able to do that, i would rip him apart with my own hand, but we have to remember we dont own our kids, we are just the ''apetropes'' its gods children so we have to consult with a rav, and i am very excited to hear that there is still someone who is brave enough to tell the father to go to the autorities, b''h

66

 Dec 11, 2008 at 04:53 PM Anonymous Says:

Why no name and address? Aren't the rest of us entitled to protect our children until this guy is put away (hopefully forever)?

67

 Dec 11, 2008 at 04:48 PM Anonymous Says:

if this guy needs action, let him pay for it. and ask his rov for a heter.

68

 Dec 11, 2008 at 04:32 PM Anonymous Says:

Such a big problem, nebech. but also such a chilul Hashem. Maybe the only solution is to publicly and properly penalize a proven offender to scare away the ones who might be tempted, and realize they will suffer the same consequences.. Hashem yishmur.

69

 Dec 11, 2008 at 04:30 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #51  
Kanoy Says:

At the same time you are castrating the m'nuval who did this, it may be worthwhile to also castrate the
RAH BONNIM who told the parent's not to go to the authorities.

Sounds like it already was done to them.

70

 Dec 11, 2008 at 04:29 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #49  
Anonymous Says:

no they shouldnt. if they dont know the halachos they are not permitted to answer. they show that even though it's not so respectful, they only answer to what they are clear in.

If I read correctly the three did not say they COULD not get involved which could mean they felt they were not qualified to pasken. They said they WOULD not get involved which means they did not want to get involved.

Even if none of them was wualified to pasken, wouldn't any decent person say 'I am not qualified to decide this but I know how to reach rabbonim who are qualified, and I'd like to help you by calling one of them'?

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 04:29 PM Halachos??? Says:

why did the 3 Rabeim refuse to get involved? were they nogeiah b'davar?.... What are the applicable halachos, related to this case vis a vis being Mosser?? Would someone please post relevant Halachos.....
I would think, even in Halacha, protecting others from getting hurt would override the rights of the alleged perpetrator...

72

 Dec 11, 2008 at 04:54 PM Anonymous Says:

First of all, the parents who decided to go ahead with this deserve a lot of respect. It is not that easy in real life, the perpetrator's friends start a website all attesting to how great the guy is and since they are so brilliant they know that he could never have done such a thing. And there is pressure and he will start letting people know who his accuser is, they will not remain anonymous.
For those quoting Piskei Dinim on this website I don't think one should act just according to your quote of Rav Elyashiv the only smart and sensible thing is go to a Rav you respect and trust.
The problem begins when one approaches someone who seems good he is a communitty Rov and has a good reputation but who knew that he has no experience in these matters.
Perhaps the answer is to start a Vaad Raabonim of people who have experience in this matter and that will put a stop to some dumb answers as well as begin to restore some respect to the Raabonim

73

 Dec 11, 2008 at 05:13 PM Anonymous Says:

Its about time that we Klall Yisroel wake up and get rid of the imposters who claim they are "Daas Torah". #1 anyone who does not want to get involved should go to work in B&H Photo or for Power Sewer. #2 They have to know the actual halachas no balloney. #3 And not be afraid to carry out the halacha. Then maybe we can call them Daas Torah. Just because someone is born into the right family or he got the right job as a Maggid Shiur does not make him Daas Torah.

74

 Dec 11, 2008 at 05:15 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #72  
Anonymous Says:

First of all, the parents who decided to go ahead with this deserve a lot of respect. It is not that easy in real life, the perpetrator's friends start a website all attesting to how great the guy is and since they are so brilliant they know that he could never have done such a thing. And there is pressure and he will start letting people know who his accuser is, they will not remain anonymous.
For those quoting Piskei Dinim on this website I don't think one should act just according to your quote of Rav Elyashiv the only smart and sensible thing is go to a Rav you respect and trust.
The problem begins when one approaches someone who seems good he is a communitty Rov and has a good reputation but who knew that he has no experience in these matters.
Perhaps the answer is to start a Vaad Raabonim of people who have experience in this matter and that will put a stop to some dumb answers as well as begin to restore some respect to the Raabonim

"For those quoting Piskei Dinim on this website I don't think one should act just according to your quote of Rav Elyashiv the only smart and sensible thing is go to a Rav you respect and trust."

Who, as we now know, is three times more likely to not get involved than to help you.

Yasher Koach

75

 Dec 11, 2008 at 05:45 PM Anonymous Says:

I do not see why anyone would wait to go ask four rabbonim a shailo. There is NO shailo in this case. A girl was molested. That is a serious crime. This person represents a clear and present danger to children. Last time I checked, there were no detectives working for the rabbonim, and they do not have the means to punish such a menace. We live in a medina of chesed, where the pedophile will be arrested, where a judge will probably let him out on bail, and where the person can defend himself in a court of law.

Meanwhile, we have to do everything in our power to protect our children from possible harm. What would be the alternative? Not going to the authorities? We do not have the power or authority to deal with such a rodef outside of our legal system.

Anyone who would hesitate to go to the authorities is playing with the lives of our precious children.

It is quite obvious that at least 3 rabbonim in Boro Park are incapable or unwillingto be of help, even in such a clearcut case.

This should serve as a wake-up call to Yidden everywhere: protect your children, and if someone dares to harm them, go to the police immediately.

76

 Dec 11, 2008 at 05:36 PM Library Lover Says:

Its about time we give up on these so-called rabbonim who do NOTHING for the KLAL, and do EVERYTHING for themselves..I want the name of the Rav who said to GO to report on this guy, hes the only one I respect enough to ask ANYthing!!

77

 Dec 11, 2008 at 05:52 PM beryl Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

The rabbanim don't care. They are afraid if a big donor gets caught they're pidyoines dry up

You are right. They should publicize the name of the rabbis who said they dont want to get involved. They are as guilty as the perp. They should be driven out of our community for protecting a sexual abuser.Shame on them.

78

 Dec 11, 2008 at 05:22 PM WolfishMusings Says:

Personally, I can't fault a family who, in times of great emotional turmoil, decide to ask a halachic question. Whether or not you or I would have acted the same way is of no matter... people react in stressful situations in different ways. This family felt the need to consult a rav, and I will not fault them.

What I will fault, however, are the three who chose not to get involved. How could they not get involved?! How can you hold yourself out as someone to ask shailos to and then say "I don't want to get involved" when a tough one comes up? It's one thing to say "I don't know" or "I'll have to do some research and get back to you;" but it's altogether unacceptable to say "I don't want to get involved."

The Wolf

(NB: I will admit that there may be legitimate reasons to not want to get involved -- for example if the victim or perpetrator is a family member/close friend, etc. But I find it difficult to believe that this would apply to three different rabbanim.)

79

 Dec 11, 2008 at 05:21 PM Anonymous Says:

The three stooges (sorry if I insult Moe Larry and Curley) who call themselves Rabbi - who refused to get involves - are worse than the alleged perpetrator - he can claim a mental disorder - What can they claim? Besides apathy and ineptitude?

80

 Dec 11, 2008 at 05:02 PM Anonymous Says:

The danger from a child molester in Boro Park, dressed in frum attire and living amongst our precious children, is much worse than a fire (number 63). These people are often incurable, and they molest hundreds if not thousands. He is an ongoing public menace and a danger to society more than a single fire. He can and will ruin lives, and cause untold damage.

As for the 3 stooges, Rabbi Larry, Rabby Curly, and Rabbi Mo, who did not want to get involved, reportedly, if there is any smidgen of truth to this these clowns should be eliminated from any matter involving children and the tzibbur, as it is clear that their selfish interests override not only the needs of the klal and common sense but also common decency.

81

 Dec 11, 2008 at 05:57 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #68  
Anonymous Says:

Such a big problem, nebech. but also such a chilul Hashem. Maybe the only solution is to publicly and properly penalize a proven offender to scare away the ones who might be tempted, and realize they will suffer the same consequences.. Hashem yishmur.

We should also penalize the three rabonim who refused to help the victim.

82

 Dec 11, 2008 at 06:11 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #13  
Anonymous Says:

Did you look up the halochos of whether it is allowed to maasor these people. I am not saying that they didn't do wrong (the abusers) but maybe the rabbonim don't have the power to do what should be done. Nowadays; the klal decides what the Rabbonim should do instead of the Rabbonim taking a stand and leading. Both issues are sad, that we have abusers in our midst and that we have Rabbonim that are ineffectual.

Sounds like these rabbis preside over a congregation full of sexual perverts.

83

 Dec 11, 2008 at 06:06 PM murray Says:

Reply to #64  
responsible??? Says:

If the 3 Rabeim are being paid out of community funds, especially, they should be RESPONSIBLE for the community. If someone else, Chas Vesholom, is molested, wouldn't it be on their heads?? Take THEM to court, or beis din???

I have a suspicion that these 3 "rabbis" are, or would be the first to object to objectionable billboards.

84

 Dec 11, 2008 at 06:03 PM Anonymous Says:

Thank you so much VIN news for this great service you are bringing to our community and looking out for the welfare of our children dont be deterred by the perverted sickos who will try to silence you my wish is their childrenbe molested and then let us see their response

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 06:03 PM Big Masmid Says:

we have to cool it Chevra, from the above posts it sounds like nobody should ever ask a Rav and thats not so. We have to investigate who the Three crooks sorry Ra-Bonim are and have them dismissed as leaders in the community.

86

 Dec 11, 2008 at 06:02 PM murray Says:

Reply to #20  
Anonymous Says:

1. Fact! Castration DOES NOT stop a molester. The crazed craving to molest is independent of the resultant stimulus. As in the case of last week, even a man in a wheelchair and half paralyzed (Mr. I.) is capable of the twisted control passion that infects a molester. Only the real high probability of hard and long jailtime, and the resultant abuse he will experience from fellow inmates, can deter them from acting on these devious desires.

2. Three in four rabbis when faced with making a halachic ruling in this regard failed to exhibit testicular fortitute and rule either way! Lord, me hopes it aint so. Perhaps we should start turning to the local Imams for spiritual guidance. TO WHOM CAN WE FRUM ERLICHER YIDDEN TURN TO. It might be more beneficial to our society to expose the names of the 3 feckle rabbis then to expose the name of this molester.

Why are you protecting this "Mr. I"- don't you see, you are part of the problem- Please NAME NAMES!

87

 Dec 11, 2008 at 06:01 PM The Truth Says:

Reply to #73  
Anonymous Says:

Its about time that we Klall Yisroel wake up and get rid of the imposters who claim they are "Daas Torah". #1 anyone who does not want to get involved should go to work in B&H Photo or for Power Sewer. #2 They have to know the actual halachas no balloney. #3 And not be afraid to carry out the halacha. Then maybe we can call them Daas Torah. Just because someone is born into the right family or he got the right job as a Maggid Shiur does not make him Daas Torah.

I agree with #73.

1. We need to remove this infection from our community.
2. We need real Daas Torah who know the halochos and are willing to pasken on such matters
3. Without 2, we are left to deal with it ourselves. Either our own HANDS (as some people above say they would do, or with our VOICES - going to the Authorities.

You can always find someone who will pasken the way you want - just ask enough people! If the fourth "Rav" who was asked refused to 'get involved', I'm sure Hikind would have gone to a 5th or 6th until someone was man enough to put his name to a psak.

88

 Dec 11, 2008 at 06:00 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #71  
Halachos??? Says:

why did the 3 Rabeim refuse to get involved? were they nogeiah b'davar?.... What are the applicable halachos, related to this case vis a vis being Mosser?? Would someone please post relevant Halachos.....
I would think, even in Halacha, protecting others from getting hurt would override the rights of the alleged perpetrator...

"why did the 3 Rabeim refuse to get involved? were they nogeiah b'davar?.... "

You might be much closer to the truth than you thought.

89

 Dec 11, 2008 at 06:39 PM Simple solution Says:

To all those quoting the 3 out of 4 uncaring rabbanim statistic and demanding the names of these inept apathetic "leaders," I have an important message.

Does each one of you have a rov? Does each one of you know at least one rov? If each of us were to ask our rov or ANY rov what HE would do in such a situation. Yes, a hypothetical but quite clear cut situation of someone molesting a Jewish child and we know who it is, then we could EASILY root out the evil from our midst. It is high time that we all demand an answer from our rabbis. Mee LaHashem Aylai. Are you on the side of our children, or on the side of the molesters (or our community image, or whatever).
Let us get a Koyl Koreh together saying what Rav Elyashiv said and Rav Shachter and the brave rabbi in this example. Let us ask all rabbis to sign. Then we can easily publish those who sign, as well as those who cruelly and callously refuse to sign. We can finally see if the rabbis care about anything else besides for Lipa Shmeltzer concerts.
I'm not predicting anything like 3 out of 4. I am just wondering what the truth is. I know this much. When Benzion Twersky was forced off the Task Force of Dov Hikind, how many rabbanim spoke up in defense and anger (ok, Rabbi Horowitz, of course, but that's it). When Nachum Rosenberg was violently attacked in England for trying to help publicize abuse, how many rabbanim defended him? None! And his life was threatened too. And when Dov Hikind exposes an epidemic in our community, how many rabbanim are even TALKING about it? Forget actually doing something, but even TALKING????
And when a rebby in a prominent yeshivah is convicted of endangering the welfare of a child following a plea deal, how many rabbis spoke out about it, or about the idiocy of parents still trusting their children to the yeshivah that covered up his molestation for decades. It is a chillul Hashem like someone else wrote that we have to look elsewhere for help for our children.

90

 Dec 11, 2008 at 07:16 PM Anonymous Says:

At least no one offered the phony excuse that prosecuting him will "hurt his parnosseh" or "make it impossible for his children to get a good shidduch", which is usually the excuses for doing nothing that are offered in such cases

91

 Dec 11, 2008 at 07:07 PM In defense of the Rabbanim Says:

Why is it different then when nobody got involved with all the kids who were molested in the Brooklyn Yeshivas discussed on Dov's show and the channel 11 report?

Some rabbanim said that it did not happen in their neighborhood so it was not their concern. Others said that the "owners" of the yeshivas were too powerful so they could not be taken on. In fact, in one case even Dov backed down as to not start a war in Williamsburg. In the case of Mondrowitz, the rabbanim all paskened it was mesirah and helped him run to Israel for 25 years. The rabbanim all still feel it is safe to go to yeshivas that have less safety protocols even than public schools. The Agudas Yisroel is only now saying that it is okay to fingerprint rebbeim, but they are not calling for mandated reporting in yeshivas.

So why is everyone so angry at these 3 rabbanim. They are simply following in the footsteps of all rabbanim in our community. They are doing what the Gedolim have been doing for years. Cover up the crimes of the so called "frum" child molester, and let the thousands of victims suffer. It is our mesorah. In fact, I would not be surprised if most rabbanim would be willing to sign onto a "Cherem" of the one Rov who took the victim's side because he was clearly going against "Real Daas Torah". In last year's Aguda Convention's keynote address, the Rov said that we should be sweeping this under the carpet and handling it internally. As for the case that had made the newspaper, he referred to it as the "one who slipped through our fingers."

And when Reb Dovid Cohen told someone to go to the police 20 years ago, he was attacked mercilessly by the members of the molester's community, called an anti-semite for trying to protect THEIR children.
So seriously, how can you blame these three stooges/rabbanim for just doing what they have been taught.

Our rabbanim are very good at showing how the Conservative and Reform rabbis have taken out whole chapters from the Torah.
In our generation, the Mitzvas of V'ahavtah Lreyacha Kamocha and Lo Saamod Al Dam Reyecha have been completely removed from our mesorah, as regards child sexual abuse. It simply does not apply anymore. Our rabbanim have rewritten the Torah. What's next, frum gay marriage?

92

 Dec 11, 2008 at 06:33 PM COMMON SENSE Says:

People who are afraid that going to the police in this kind of situation is Mesira have no idea what the Halocho is Mesirah is. There is no question that it is permissible to go to the police. In fact, the Torah's command, LO SAANOD AL DAM REYECHO may require that this be reported to the police because pedophiles are a constant danger to other children. Those who are worried about Mesirah are exactly what Chazal had in mind when they talked about a CHOSID SHOITEH.

93

 Dec 11, 2008 at 06:32 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #85  
Big Masmid Says:

we have to cool it Chevra, from the above posts it sounds like nobody should ever ask a Rav and thats not so. We have to investigate who the Three crooks sorry Ra-Bonim are and have them dismissed as leaders in the community.

you are right keep on asking any rabbi just to keep him or her busy

94

 Dec 11, 2008 at 06:31 PM Anonymous Says:

ANYONE who covers up or refused to confront a disgusting situation like this is AN ACCOMPLICE TO THE FACT!

95

 Dec 11, 2008 at 06:27 PM Anonymous Says:

ITS SICK AND GETTING SICKER OUT THERE DOV KEEP UP UR GREAT WORK

96

 Dec 11, 2008 at 07:35 PM Anonymous Says:

can someone at least name the bum ho commited the crime. the fact that he was arrested makes it public record. let the public know who the sicko is we have to kids away from

97

 Dec 11, 2008 at 07:42 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #53  
Anonymous Says:

and what credentials does thiss vaad have. and what powers? sorry, u r still living in lala land. we trusted chinuch in the hands of vaads and look where we stand today!

we never had a vadd strictly for abuse of this type . we had rabonim who were contacted and shoved it under the rug.
We need a VAAD consisting of doctors lawyers and rabonim who are qualified to handle this .

98

 Dec 11, 2008 at 07:39 PM ProudJew Says:

Reply to #57  
Joe Says:

Give me the guys name, and i would happily go and make sure he has no more yetzer no more.

Wanna team up with me ? Let me know.

99

 Dec 11, 2008 at 06:37 PM Anonymous Says:

This infuriates me to no end. I was told weeks ago that there is a disabled man on 46th St (I am deliberately omitting the avenues) who offers girls money for sex, and calls in young girls "to help him" and when I told this person to report it to Dov Hikind, she said "Shomrim is aware of it" and she did nothing more about it. I "wonder" if this is the same pervert.........

100

 Dec 11, 2008 at 08:00 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #90  
Anonymous Says:

At least no one offered the phony excuse that prosecuting him will "hurt his parnosseh" or "make it impossible for his children to get a good shidduch", which is usually the excuses for doing nothing that are offered in such cases

yeah. perhaps we can call this progress.

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 07:59 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #89  
Simple solution Says:

To all those quoting the 3 out of 4 uncaring rabbanim statistic and demanding the names of these inept apathetic "leaders," I have an important message.

Does each one of you have a rov? Does each one of you know at least one rov? If each of us were to ask our rov or ANY rov what HE would do in such a situation. Yes, a hypothetical but quite clear cut situation of someone molesting a Jewish child and we know who it is, then we could EASILY root out the evil from our midst. It is high time that we all demand an answer from our rabbis. Mee LaHashem Aylai. Are you on the side of our children, or on the side of the molesters (or our community image, or whatever).
Let us get a Koyl Koreh together saying what Rav Elyashiv said and Rav Shachter and the brave rabbi in this example. Let us ask all rabbis to sign. Then we can easily publish those who sign, as well as those who cruelly and callously refuse to sign. We can finally see if the rabbis care about anything else besides for Lipa Shmeltzer concerts.
I'm not predicting anything like 3 out of 4. I am just wondering what the truth is. I know this much. When Benzion Twersky was forced off the Task Force of Dov Hikind, how many rabbanim spoke up in defense and anger (ok, Rabbi Horowitz, of course, but that's it). When Nachum Rosenberg was violently attacked in England for trying to help publicize abuse, how many rabbanim defended him? None! And his life was threatened too. And when Dov Hikind exposes an epidemic in our community, how many rabbanim are even TALKING about it? Forget actually doing something, but even TALKING????
And when a rebby in a prominent yeshivah is convicted of endangering the welfare of a child following a plea deal, how many rabbis spoke out about it, or about the idiocy of parents still trusting their children to the yeshivah that covered up his molestation for decades. It is a chillul Hashem like someone else wrote that we have to look elsewhere for help for our children.

Brilliantly written. We might get a handfull of rabbis on board thru cash payouts (Illinois style) and outright blackmail. Other then that don't expect more then a mizimon (3) who are ehrlich enough to sign. And then watch the hundreds of fakers sign a kol koreh against this cause.

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 07:58 PM blondi Says:

bh the parents had the presence of mind to go to a 4th rav...may he be blessed for his correct and righteous guidance..hope the young girl will make a full recovery and the molester will get his just punishment speedily.(look into oj simpson case) Patience

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 07:51 PM unique says Says:

Hello ALL 93 comments....I want to raise a point that I don't see anyone even heading in this direction,,,,I agree 1000 precent that this person did a out rages
Disgusting thing,,,but this guy is a nebuch a sick man,,,that needs help..he might have a big family that we all have to feel bad for them..."Maybe" he deserves another chance in life??I think we should all think in for a second what his pooor wife is going through now?? ((I am not a child molester)) I just felt that one person should raise this point also

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 08:30 PM Anonymous Says:

You are all Posul Ledus. Your entire Haredi kahal falls under the concept of:
חרש שוטה וקטן
(Heiresh, Shoteh and Katan)

You need a Ruv to tell you to protect your children? The only question is whether or not you take the law into your own hands or let the DA prosecute. Your Ruvs have been protecting the Kulkos for years.

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 08:55 PM Anonymous Says:

Just read what Rabbi Horowitz wrote a few weeks ago about molestors

It is difficult to describe the sickening, gut-wrenching sensation I experience when I get phone calls from parents whose children were sexually abused or from adults who have carried the horrible scars of childhood abuse for decades, often shredding their relationships and ruining their lives. And, I am sad to report that those calls are getting more frequent as time goes on.

If your children are married and out of your home, feel free to join those who blame these stories on “Anti-Semitic, goyishe newspapers,” and “Self-hating-Jews-who-love-to-bash-charedim.” Or, you can join those who would rather stay clueless and say things like, “Wow, did you hear that story? Please pass the salt.” You can also trust the ‘leaders’ who tell you not to worry about this since there are only an infinitesimal number of frum pedophiles. But, if you are a parent still entrusted with the care of your children, please read the non-airbrushed story in the secular newspapers and be frightened. Very, very frightened.

I suggest that you develop a mental image of a deranged frum adult walking around your neighborhood with pruning shears viciously cutting off the index fingers of any children that he can get his hands on. Then imagine seeing hundreds of frum kids walking around with bloody bandages around their hands. Are you sufficiently terrified now? Well, that is a tamed down version of how I see things as far as the abuse/molestation issue is concerned. Because these evil monsters that molest our innocent children and the soulless, immoral people who cover for them are cutting out the very neshomos of the poor kids whose lives they ruin.

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 08:50 PM Anonymous Says:

why doesn't someone go to Rov Elyoshiv and/or Rov Chaim Kanievsky or anyone big enough that EVERYONE will listen to and get a final psak once and for all. then nobody has to ask these questions each time......they will hopefully say to turn them in or get rid of them some other way as they are destroying our KEDUSHA! and the abusers, knowing that they will be dead if they get caught will hopefully be a little more scared.

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 08:22 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #103  
unique says Says:

Hello ALL 93 comments....I want to raise a point that I don't see anyone even heading in this direction,,,,I agree 1000 precent that this person did a out rages
Disgusting thing,,,but this guy is a nebuch a sick man,,,that needs help..he might have a big family that we all have to feel bad for them..."Maybe" he deserves another chance in life??I think we should all think in for a second what his pooor wife is going through now?? ((I am not a child molester)) I just felt that one person should raise this point also

What about all the murderers, rapists and robbers. Do you know how bad their wives and families feel. For the sake of their families, let's let them all go and send them to doctors.

Yes, the man is sick, but we know from studies that people like this can never be cured. Yes, we should pity his wife, but we should be most concerned with out children

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 08:19 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #103  
unique says Says:

Hello ALL 93 comments....I want to raise a point that I don't see anyone even heading in this direction,,,,I agree 1000 precent that this person did a out rages
Disgusting thing,,,but this guy is a nebuch a sick man,,,that needs help..he might have a big family that we all have to feel bad for them..."Maybe" he deserves another chance in life??I think we should all think in for a second what his pooor wife is going through now?? ((I am not a child molester)) I just felt that one person should raise this point also

i knew it. these weirdo sickos were gonna make a debut here sooner or later.

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 08:19 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #103  
unique says Says:

Hello ALL 93 comments....I want to raise a point that I don't see anyone even heading in this direction,,,,I agree 1000 precent that this person did a out rages
Disgusting thing,,,but this guy is a nebuch a sick man,,,that needs help..he might have a big family that we all have to feel bad for them..."Maybe" he deserves another chance in life??I think we should all think in for a second what his pooor wife is going through now?? ((I am not a child molester)) I just felt that one person should raise this point also

To 103.........would you say the same thing if it was your own daughter?

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 08:19 PM Anonymous Says:

One part of the news story seems to have escaped people. This is the allegation that District Attorney Hynes was pressured by someone in the community to downgrade the charge to Sexual Abuse in the Second Degree. Although DA Hynes denied this, it is clearly true.
The facts of this case constitute the crime of Sexual Abuse in the FIRST degree, yet the DA charges SECOND degree. One major difference between first degree and second degree is that first degree carries a MANDATORY prison sentence. Second Degree is not mandatory imprisonment. Sentence is discretionary with the Judge, who could even sentence him to probation. Another major difference is that First Degree Sexual Abuse carries a maximum sentence of 15 years in prison with no parole. Second Degree sexual abuse can be as little as probation and a ,maximum of 2 1/3 to 7 years (meaning he will be eligible for parole in 2 1/3 years, IF he gets the maximum sentence.
It is obvious that somebody put pressure on the DA to downgrade the charge so that this monster will not face mandatory imprisonment. IT IS OUTRAGEOUS.
We, the members of the community should embark on a massive letter writing campaign to the DA to upgrade the charge to FIRST degree sexual abuse. The DA has to present this case to a Grand Jury to get an indictment. He should be urged very strongly to seek an indictment for FIRST degree sexual abuse.

The DA should be told in no uncertain terms that we want ourcommunity, and especially out children, protected. It should be made to clear to the DA that whatever "Macher" or political friend who put pressure on the DA to reduce the charge does not represent the community. We should remind him that we have more votes than the "Macher" or the DA's political buddy and, if he does not do what's right, we will remember it when DA Hynes is up for re-election.

A massive letter-writing campaign should be undertaken. People should write FORCEFULLY, but RESPECTFULLY. Write to
Hon. Charles J. Hynes
District Attorney, Kings County
350 Jay Street
Brooklyn, NY 11201

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 08:15 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #97  
Anonymous Says:

we never had a vadd strictly for abuse of this type . we had rabonim who were contacted and shoved it under the rug.
We need a VAAD consisting of doctors lawyers and rabonim who are qualified to handle this .

arent police and prosecutors sufficiently "dualified"? Why complicate the process for the victim when the molester has an advantage with age and character etc?

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 09:31 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #48  
Anonymous Says:

Sorry to burst your bubble but when Dr. Mondro... lived on 60th street he was molesting his italian neighbor's kids too.

and the Italian neighbors were the ones that reported him...

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 09:23 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #29  
seichel brosh Says:

Why is the name and address not published so people can be careful
To the best of my knowledge he is not an ordinary chasidic man
unless there is more than one in the immediate area

YES I AGREE TELL EVERYONE WHO THIS NUT IS SO WE CAN WARN OUR KIDS TO STAY AWAY FROM HIM

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 09:50 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #110  
Anonymous Says:

One part of the news story seems to have escaped people. This is the allegation that District Attorney Hynes was pressured by someone in the community to downgrade the charge to Sexual Abuse in the Second Degree. Although DA Hynes denied this, it is clearly true.
The facts of this case constitute the crime of Sexual Abuse in the FIRST degree, yet the DA charges SECOND degree. One major difference between first degree and second degree is that first degree carries a MANDATORY prison sentence. Second Degree is not mandatory imprisonment. Sentence is discretionary with the Judge, who could even sentence him to probation. Another major difference is that First Degree Sexual Abuse carries a maximum sentence of 15 years in prison with no parole. Second Degree sexual abuse can be as little as probation and a ,maximum of 2 1/3 to 7 years (meaning he will be eligible for parole in 2 1/3 years, IF he gets the maximum sentence.
It is obvious that somebody put pressure on the DA to downgrade the charge so that this monster will not face mandatory imprisonment. IT IS OUTRAGEOUS.
We, the members of the community should embark on a massive letter writing campaign to the DA to upgrade the charge to FIRST degree sexual abuse. The DA has to present this case to a Grand Jury to get an indictment. He should be urged very strongly to seek an indictment for FIRST degree sexual abuse.

The DA should be told in no uncertain terms that we want ourcommunity, and especially out children, protected. It should be made to clear to the DA that whatever "Macher" or political friend who put pressure on the DA to reduce the charge does not represent the community. We should remind him that we have more votes than the "Macher" or the DA's political buddy and, if he does not do what's right, we will remember it when DA Hynes is up for re-election.

A massive letter-writing campaign should be undertaken. People should write FORCEFULLY, but RESPECTFULLY. Write to
Hon. Charles J. Hynes
District Attorney, Kings County
350 Jay Street
Brooklyn, NY 11201

Good point. Hynes is under the spell of a few Taliban-goons who portray themselves as reps of our communities. We have to tell him that it is Rosenberg, Hikind, UOJ, VIN news and the new Jewish Victim's organization who truly represent our information.

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 09:49 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #109  
Anonymous Says:

To 103.........would you say the same thing if it was your own daughter?

The vaad harabonim of baltimore stated that you must report someone even it can couse shame to the family of the molester. And who cared about Nuchem Rosenberg's family?! huh? He only spoke about abuse, and look how they tore him and his family down. And about the molester, you even thought a second before you commented?! Let the molesters think about their family before they act. If they cant think about their families we cant either.

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 09:59 PM Noclue Says:

Hynes cannot make a deal with "leaders of the orthodox community," because, unlike the Catholic church or Archdiocese, there is no such legal entity. Further, any so called leaders are merely leaders of some people who choose to follow them. They are not official representatives of Orthodox Jews and thus are not authorized to speak for anybody but themselves, or perhaps the organizations who employ them.

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 10:31 PM Anonymous Says:

Im sick of this hiding and covering of rabbis up
lock them up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
forget causes shame to the family, imagine the horror they are putting these victims through

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 10:09 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #115  
Anonymous Says:

The vaad harabonim of baltimore stated that you must report someone even it can couse shame to the family of the molester. And who cared about Nuchem Rosenberg's family?! huh? He only spoke about abuse, and look how they tore him and his family down. And about the molester, you even thought a second before you commented?! Let the molesters think about their family before they act. If they cant think about their families we cant either.

Baltimore. There is great town to use as an example of rabbinic leadership in fighting sexual abuse. Right.

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 10:06 PM Anonymous Says:

to #109 my comment was for #109

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 11:14 PM Anonymous Says:

Lets learn from Megan's law which states that you must make public all child molesters and where they live. We must do this too. Its time to get these sickos out of their hiding places and expose them. How many more kids will be molested and their lives ruined until we decide to really address the issue. Lets leave the Rabbonim out of this since they choose not to get involved.

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 11:09 PM Anonymous Says:

Sure we have to daven for shamirah and we HAVE TO DEMAND THAT OUR STREETS SHALL GET MORE POLICE or else we shall create a task force to patrol our streets. Hashem Yrachem Vyishmor Amen.

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 11:02 PM are u jewish Says:

Reply to #117  
Anonymous Says:

Im sick of this hiding and covering of rabbis up
lock them up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
forget causes shame to the family, imagine the horror they are putting these victims through

since when did evryone here become rabbonim and decide that mesira is permissible just cause it sounds bad to you there is something called daas torah and halacha that orthodox jews follow it is NOT made by feelings never period and writing against rabbonim who decide something is not called listening to rabbanim its called doimg what you want and if the rav thinks the same good if not no jewish people dont just do what they want no matter how they feel also all the hotheads who want to castrate live youre life by halacha dont quote from philosphers about punishment we have a torah that says what to do one thing is certain molestation is not common among the chassidim so dont make it sounds like it is always happening think to youreself how many cases do you know of prob. less than 5 and evryone knows the same 5 bec. it is written about everywhere dont worry so much you guys make it sound like it happens every day

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 10:54 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #103  
unique says Says:

Hello ALL 93 comments....I want to raise a point that I don't see anyone even heading in this direction,,,,I agree 1000 precent that this person did a out rages
Disgusting thing,,,but this guy is a nebuch a sick man,,,that needs help..he might have a big family that we all have to feel bad for them..."Maybe" he deserves another chance in life??I think we should all think in for a second what his pooor wife is going through now?? ((I am not a child molester)) I just felt that one person should raise this point also

Another chance?! what?! A chance to do what?! To molest your child, ch"v?

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 11:34 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #122  
are u jewish Says:

since when did evryone here become rabbonim and decide that mesira is permissible just cause it sounds bad to you there is something called daas torah and halacha that orthodox jews follow it is NOT made by feelings never period and writing against rabbonim who decide something is not called listening to rabbanim its called doimg what you want and if the rav thinks the same good if not no jewish people dont just do what they want no matter how they feel also all the hotheads who want to castrate live youre life by halacha dont quote from philosphers about punishment we have a torah that says what to do one thing is certain molestation is not common among the chassidim so dont make it sounds like it is always happening think to youreself how many cases do you know of prob. less than 5 and evryone knows the same 5 bec. it is written about everywhere dont worry so much you guys make it sound like it happens every day

When did you become a Posek and decide thatr this is Mesira. It is not Mesira. It is a question of Lo Samod Al Dam Rayecho.

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 11:33 PM Baltimore Rabbanim Says:

Just because we covered up for Mattis Weinberg (the Rosh yeshiva's grandson) for decades of molestation and then for Moshe Eiseman, the mashgiach of Ner Yisroel, molesting bochurim for years, and Rabbi Efraim Shapiro, does not mean that we are not hard at work protecting the kinderlach of Baltimore. We protect them from those terrible people at the Baltimore Jewish Times (Rav Hynamin assured it from being bought by frum Jews because it exposed sexual abuse, and we are constantly attacking The Awareness Center for exposing sexual abuse in our community. What more do you want us to do, invite Rabbi Margolis to town to start a branch of Torah Tmimah???

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 Dec 11, 2008 at 11:49 PM yisrael chaim ben dov ber halevi Says:

Reply to #70  
Anonymous Says:

If I read correctly the three did not say they COULD not get involved which could mean they felt they were not qualified to pasken. They said they WOULD not get involved which means they did not want to get involved.

Even if none of them was wualified to pasken, wouldn't any decent person say 'I am not qualified to decide this but I know how to reach rabbonim who are qualified, and I'd like to help you by calling one of them'?

The most probable reason why they "couldn't" get involved is that they didn't want what happend to Rav Twersky and his family, to happen to them. We have to put a stop to this, we are the kohanim of the world , we must set an example. These. Evil people ar ruining our chidren- our most presicous treasures!! In regards to them asking a sheila , what do you want from them this is how they were raised , me personaly? I would be at the guys house with a baseball bat,
Not that , that is nessecaraly the right thing to do An but I wouldn't be able to control myself from ripping his head off

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 Dec 12, 2008 at 12:16 AM Deep Thinker Says:

It"s a chov kadosh a holy torah duty of anyone reading this story to respond. The more comments posted the more "popular"this story will become and only then can we hope that the "right people" will see that this is not goning away. It came out from under the rug with a grand enterance and is with us to stay if we won't confront it. Lo Tamod Al Dam Reache - post comments, and let's be mechazek ztadikim like Rabbi Rosenberg shelita.hashem yarich yumov.

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 Dec 12, 2008 at 01:29 AM UOJ Says:

Rabosay, I hate to say I told you so. But its not too late, all is not lost. Rise up and demand leadership from any and all Rabbanim who still have a shred of integrity and courage to do the right thing. If there are still those Rabbanim who wish to protect our image rather than the safety of our children, lets expose them. They need to find another line of work. Just because someone knows a little how to learn, does not mean he is ehrlich. Reb
Chaim Soloveitchik Z"TL said that the whole job description of a rav is someone who must stick up for the unprotected and rescue the opressed from his tormentor. To come to the aid of the victim who has nobody to stand up for him. Show me a rov who will do that today, and I will show you a man who follows Dov Hikind's lead.

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 Dec 12, 2008 at 01:24 AM Moishele Holtzberg Says:

I feel so sorry for the little girl, but B"H she still has parents who look after her and don't let people hurt her. I wish more people in Klal Yisroel would care enough about their children to do the same. Who will look after me, now that my parents were taken away by Hashem. Do I have to trust the Rabbanim who protect those who molest little Jewish children? It's a scary "Oylam Hatoyrah" to be growing up in. I know my parents would want the Rabbanim to look after me and to keep the "frum" child molesters away from me, but who will do it? Who will speak out against the molester of the little girl from Boro Park? Who will speak out against the Yeshivas that continue to deny that there are molesters among us? Who will publicly state that Jewish children's blood is not cheap any more, and that we will protect them from evil?

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 Dec 12, 2008 at 03:12 AM Moshe Chaim Says:

In a free country where jews are not persecuted their is no problem in handing over a jewish crook to yhe authorities. This is not Mesira.
(Being a sexual perpetrator is also a RODEF!)

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 Dec 12, 2008 at 08:32 AM Anonymous Says:

I find it amazing that in 130 comments no one has yet tried to understand why the 3 rabonim didnt want to get involved. I asked my rov this morning and he said that there have been so many cases that he knows of where this type of allegation was made as a way of destroying another person and was totally false, that unless he knew the family well and spoke to the doctor that examined the victim, he wouldnt get involved either. There is also a concern that people that commit such crimes get beaten or killed in jail and the rabbis arent sure that they are allowed to help a yid (despicable and hateworthy as may be)be put in that position.

Just a thought, maybe the rabbonim arent evil.

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 Dec 12, 2008 at 09:13 AM Anonymous Says:

Hasidic girl molested by 59-year-old
A 59-year-old man lured a 13-year-old girl to his Brooklyn home where he exposed himself to her and rubbed her breast, the Brooklyn District Attorney's office said.

Arye Ickovits, a Hasidic Jew, of Boro Park, told the girl on Nov. 24 he needed help, a spokesman said. Ickovits uses a walker.

The girl told her mother about her ordeal. But relatives waited four days before reporting the attack to cops, seeking rabbinical approval from neighborhood religious leaders about speaking to investigators, the spokesman said.

Members of the NYPD Brooklyn Child Abuse Squad were then shown a picture of Ickovits snapped by the girl's mother on a cell phone.

Ickovits was arrested on Dec. 3 and later released on $5,000 bail.

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 Dec 12, 2008 at 09:25 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #122  
are u jewish Says:

since when did evryone here become rabbonim and decide that mesira is permissible just cause it sounds bad to you there is something called daas torah and halacha that orthodox jews follow it is NOT made by feelings never period and writing against rabbonim who decide something is not called listening to rabbanim its called doimg what you want and if the rav thinks the same good if not no jewish people dont just do what they want no matter how they feel also all the hotheads who want to castrate live youre life by halacha dont quote from philosphers about punishment we have a torah that says what to do one thing is certain molestation is not common among the chassidim so dont make it sounds like it is always happening think to youreself how many cases do you know of prob. less than 5 and evryone knows the same 5 bec. it is written about everywhere dont worry so much you guys make it sound like it happens every day

just keep your head in the sand. u only know 5 cases, did u ask the professionals that deal with this on a daily bases? do i need to tell u what i know? never mind u will never get it in your head.

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 Dec 12, 2008 at 10:10 AM Anonymous Says:

If you are going to publish names of perpetrators(alleged) then
Yeshiva University and Chareidi perpetrators should get equal treatment--
name this alleged abuser and name Parsippany hospital chareidi thief.

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 Dec 12, 2008 at 10:47 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #131  
Anonymous Says:

I find it amazing that in 130 comments no one has yet tried to understand why the 3 rabonim didnt want to get involved. I asked my rov this morning and he said that there have been so many cases that he knows of where this type of allegation was made as a way of destroying another person and was totally false, that unless he knew the family well and spoke to the doctor that examined the victim, he wouldnt get involved either. There is also a concern that people that commit such crimes get beaten or killed in jail and the rabbis arent sure that they are allowed to help a yid (despicable and hateworthy as may be)be put in that position.

Just a thought, maybe the rabbonim arent evil.

Then your rov is a liar trying to keep things buried for another fifty years.

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 Dec 12, 2008 at 11:22 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #32  
fed up Says:

i respect daas torah and rabbonnim i just wanted to get that out in the open bfore my comment. I wonder if these same ("SO CALLED") rabbonnim would be asked to have a kibbud such as mesader kiddishin or brucher achrite or sandek would they say oh I DONT WANT TO GET INVOLVED?????????????? so its all BS we should just throw away the title in front of their names and they should sit in back of the shul which they dont deserve to be sitting in mizrach vant with a fancy leather chair......... its just crazy what the heck are they rabbonnim for if not for the klal............. we should lock this and all other sick pervs in jail and let them rot..... i just feel bad for the family of the perp they nebach suffer for no reason other than having a sick father/husband/zaide....

I REMEMBER A CHOSHEVER ROV WHO WAS ROBBED HE DID NOT GO TO A DIN TORAH HE CALLED THE POLICE. WHEN IT HAPPENS TO YOU YOU DON'T HESITATE.

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 Dec 12, 2008 at 11:56 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #131  
Anonymous Says:

I find it amazing that in 130 comments no one has yet tried to understand why the 3 rabonim didnt want to get involved. I asked my rov this morning and he said that there have been so many cases that he knows of where this type of allegation was made as a way of destroying another person and was totally false, that unless he knew the family well and spoke to the doctor that examined the victim, he wouldnt get involved either. There is also a concern that people that commit such crimes get beaten or killed in jail and the rabbis arent sure that they are allowed to help a yid (despicable and hateworthy as may be)be put in that position.

Just a thought, maybe the rabbonim arent evil.

Well, ask your rov how well the system worked when it was handeled internally...

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 Dec 12, 2008 at 03:48 PM Anonymous Says:

its discusting that some rabbis try to hide this problem they should have this guy thrown out of boropark show his picture to eveybody and tell them this is the one of 200 more and track down one by one and get them out of boro park so our kids can walk around like normal people without any worries you guys are blaming on the parents all they did is send their child to school and the orgenazations that are soposed to protect our kids and rabbis are to guide us are putting us in the ground and starting with kids we need to stand in front of his persons house and get him to move to belvue mental instutution so that he cant hurt your child or grandchild or wife or anybodyelse
the rabbis should focus on this rather focus on lipa or problems that they will los money on the reason the dont want to focus on this is because there is no moneyto be made therabbi that gave a ok to go to the police i apploud you good job and the rabbis that didnt let them go to attharity i think it has to hit home in order for you to understand i belive if it would happen to your own child you would go to the atheity and if not then you no good for nothing because your big beard and chassidm are more important then anything else like the welfare of your child i think the only way this will stop is if we will tackle 1 by 1 and get them out of here dont cover it up its not fare for our kids

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 Dec 13, 2008 at 02:05 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #131  
Anonymous Says:

I find it amazing that in 130 comments no one has yet tried to understand why the 3 rabonim didnt want to get involved. I asked my rov this morning and he said that there have been so many cases that he knows of where this type of allegation was made as a way of destroying another person and was totally false, that unless he knew the family well and spoke to the doctor that examined the victim, he wouldnt get involved either. There is also a concern that people that commit such crimes get beaten or killed in jail and the rabbis arent sure that they are allowed to help a yid (despicable and hateworthy as may be)be put in that position.

Just a thought, maybe the rabbonim arent evil.

maybe these sickos should be
"beaten and killed" and maybe these rabbonim should get a new career... like being politicans and not having to committ to anything valuable and important

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 Dec 13, 2008 at 08:52 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #131  
Anonymous Says:

I find it amazing that in 130 comments no one has yet tried to understand why the 3 rabonim didnt want to get involved. I asked my rov this morning and he said that there have been so many cases that he knows of where this type of allegation was made as a way of destroying another person and was totally false, that unless he knew the family well and spoke to the doctor that examined the victim, he wouldnt get involved either. There is also a concern that people that commit such crimes get beaten or killed in jail and the rabbis arent sure that they are allowed to help a yid (despicable and hateworthy as may be)be put in that position.

Just a thought, maybe the rabbonim arent evil.

I find it amazing that when they confine a child molestor to a state hospital they let him have access to the internet, even if it is only to read VIN!

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 Dec 13, 2008 at 09:09 PM Anonymous Says:

I do understand that some rabbis get threatened. Its a fact. They should report it so the abusers will know that they can't threaten them. It's about time the rabbis show their true power and 'stand up' for yiddishkeit.

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 Dec 13, 2008 at 08:57 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #134  
Anonymous Says:

If you are going to publish names of perpetrators(alleged) then
Yeshiva University and Chareidi perpetrators should get equal treatment--
name this alleged abuser and name Parsippany hospital chareidi thief.

They do get equal treatment.

Or have you forgotten the NCSY scandal?

They buried their heads just as equally as the charaidi rabbonim have done!

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