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Lawrence, NY - Jewish Designer Sues Over Copycat House

Published on: July 7, 2016 10:20 PM
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Seth and Rivka Fortgang thought they were living in a unique dream house that was the creation of Rivka, an exterior and interior designer who copyrighted the architectural plans. (STEVEN STERN/HANDOUT)Seth and Rivka Fortgang thought they were living in a unique dream house that was the creation of Rivka, an exterior and interior designer who copyrighted the architectural plans. (STEVEN STERN/HANDOUT)

Lawrence, NY - A Five Towns designer who says that her copyrighted house plans were used without permission to build a nearly identical house in a neighboring village is suing the homeowners and their architects for copyright infringement.

Rivka Fortgang, CEO of Riki Fortgang Interior Designs, copyrighted the original architectural drawings for her Lawrence home built in 2005, as reported by the New York Post (http://goo.gl/ywglNZ).  The house, located south of Broadway on Auerbach Lane, is described in court papers as having a “visually distinctive and unique exterior stucco facade” and was copyrighted under the name “Fortgang Residence I.”

Mrs. Fortgang and her husband Seth are claiming that their plans were illegally accessed through the Village of Lawrence Building Department by Pereiras Architects Ubiquitous, a New Jersey based architecture firm, and Ari and Daniella Schwartz of Cedarhurst.  The plans were then reportedly incorporated into the blueprints for the Schwartz’s planned house on Villa Place, a Cedarhurst cul de sac located one mile away from the Fortgang residence.

Attorney Steven Stern sent a cease and desist letter on behalf of the Fortgangs to the Schwartzes on June 7th, saying that while their Villa Place home is still in the early stages of construction, it is almost a twin of the Fortgang house.
“There is no doubt that you have accessed and intentionally copied the plans of the Fortgang residence intending to create a replica of our clients’ home and distinctive exterior,” wrote Stern.

According to court papers, the Schwartzes agreed to amend the plans for the exterior of their home, but Stern said that the new plans incorporate only minimal changes, prompting the Fortgangs to file suit today in Long Island Federal Court against the Schwartzes, Pereiras Architects Ubiquitous and the Friedman Group LLC.

In the lawsuit, Mrs. Fortgang also claimed that the entire situation has tarnished both her business and her reputation.

The Fortgangs are suing for unspecified damages.

No comments on the matter were available from Stern, Pereiras Architects Ubiquitous or the Schwartz’s attorney, Daniel Schloss.


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 Jul 07, 2016 at 10:34 PM zooog Says:

I don't understand, these houses are only temporary

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 Jul 07, 2016 at 10:45 PM knowitall1 Says:

It is genaiva to steel another yids intellectual property as with steeling songs when copying music. It is possible the poor home owners had no idea but the architect's who sold the plans to those homeowners have to pay up, shame on them! Kudos to Ricky and Shabtai, go get em!!!!!!

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 Jul 07, 2016 at 10:47 PM Liepa Says:

Taake ah probblaim !!!

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 Jul 07, 2016 at 11:22 PM Gut Chodesh Says:

Oh come on stop being such a baby, Be happy you BH have a nice comfortable house to live in just let go & move on! & as for the Architects just take it as a compliment that someone liked your designs so much that went & copied it. It won't affect your Parnosseh just the opposite.

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 Jul 07, 2016 at 11:27 PM Anonymous Says:

Having done extensive research in this field, I can tell you that this is absolutely going nowhere. Unless the architect is the one suing. The architect of record is always the one holding the intellectual property and he has the right to reuse the plans at his discretion. The only way the homeowners can restrict the architect from prototyping the plans is if there was a specific agreement when they retained and contacted with the architect. Now, let's say it was someone else that copied the house, it would have to be an exact replica of the house or it would have to be a specific unique feature that was copied that hasn't been done before. That is extremely unlikely. If anyone looks at the two pictures posted, one can see neither. I would venture to say that the guy trying to copy did a pretty lousy job and has either accomplished to copy the "look" without copying the architectural plan totally messed up his "copy".

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 Jul 07, 2016 at 11:28 PM Unlikely Says:

Reply to #2  
knowitall1 Says:

It is genaiva to steel another yids intellectual property as with steeling songs when copying music. It is possible the poor home owners had no idea but the architect's who sold the plans to those homeowners have to pay up, shame on them! Kudos to Ricky and Shabtai, go get em!!!!!!

There is no such think as intellectual property rights according to Halacha.

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 Jul 07, 2016 at 11:31 PM Ina Says:

I don't see anything extraordinary about this house. Looks similar to many others.

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 Jul 07, 2016 at 11:36 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
knowitall1 Says:

It is genaiva to steel another yids intellectual property as with steeling songs when copying music. It is possible the poor home owners had no idea but the architect's who sold the plans to those homeowners have to pay up, shame on them! Kudos to Ricky and Shabtai, go get em!!!!!!

I don't know that its "geniva" by any stretch for stealing a "design" thats dispalyed in public. Genivas das is only if sneakingly steal something thats not easily visbale. I am sorry but I don't think this constitutes geneva.

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 Jul 07, 2016 at 11:59 PM Reb Yid Says:

Reply to #2  
knowitall1 Says:

It is genaiva to steel another yids intellectual property as with steeling songs when copying music. It is possible the poor home owners had no idea but the architect's who sold the plans to those homeowners have to pay up, shame on them! Kudos to Ricky and Shabtai, go get em!!!!!!

They didn't copy anything. The difference between those two houses is significant. It's like saying my house is copied from yours because they both are colonials.

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 Jul 08, 2016 at 12:03 AM avigreen Says:

This lawsuit has no basis in Halacha, it's legal Geniva. I have every right to copy any house I like

12

 Jul 08, 2016 at 12:59 AM Eliwexler Says:

How far we have fallen... Try to even imagine what our grandparents who went through a Holocaust would say about such a childish thing...

13

 Jul 08, 2016 at 01:25 AM TalmidChuchem Says:

i copied the buckingham palace with no law suit

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 Jul 08, 2016 at 01:29 AM Anonymous Says:

When we have 60000 homeless people in New York City every night, many people will RESENT the pettiness and self importance of these people suing over nothing. This is how low some have sunk, it is so true that each generation is weaker than the one that came before.

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 Jul 08, 2016 at 01:30 AM PaulinSaudi Says:

I see no similarity in the design. I see a similarity in how someone painted and selected the exterior detailing (such as the doors and windows).

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 Jul 08, 2016 at 01:57 AM SIR78 Says:

Mrs. Fortgang claims her business and reputation have been tarnished?? Seriously??? How exactly??? How about just appreciating all you have and nonbeing so materialistic and egoistic.....somone built a house that looks like your? How does that effect your life. Pathetic.

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 Jul 08, 2016 at 02:04 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
knowitall1 Says:

It is genaiva to steel another yids intellectual property as with steeling songs when copying music. It is possible the poor home owners had no idea but the architect's who sold the plans to those homeowners have to pay up, shame on them! Kudos to Ricky and Shabtai, go get em!!!!!!

First learn how to spell before you tell them to get em...steal not steel.
Very nice yidden suing other yidden because nebech her house won't be original...oiy vus far a Tzuro dus is.. used to be imitation was the sincerest form of flattery... now G-D forbid...oiy where we stand in this sick gashmiosdig world that someone can't handle something as temporary as this..

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 Jul 08, 2016 at 02:07 AM Anonymous Says:

I hope she sleeps well at night...that's what happens when your mind is preoccupied with nonsense and your life is devoid of spirituality. Nebech.

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 Jul 08, 2016 at 02:11 AM Anonymous Says:

Neither house is pretty...rather dull.

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 Jul 08, 2016 at 05:46 AM Easygoing770 Says:

Lol. Why is this story news worthy?

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 Jul 08, 2016 at 07:16 AM LionofZion Says:

First World problems...

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 Jul 08, 2016 at 07:45 AM Anonymous Says:

why is this newsworthy???? kidding? the fact that someone can sue someone else for something so ridiculous is absolutely newsworthy.

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 Jul 08, 2016 at 09:50 AM bennyt Says:

When people in the 5-Towns are busy with issues like this, is it any wonder why Mashiach isn't here yet?

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 Jul 08, 2016 at 09:56 AM HolyMordy Says:

לא תחמוד בית רעיך

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 Jul 08, 2016 at 10:11 AM sane Says:

Apparently, these people did not learn the lesson of the Meraglim. Chazal say that since the people cried and complained for no reason, G-d will given them a reason to cry in the future. Such repulsive vanity!

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 Jul 08, 2016 at 10:14 AM Mikey Says:

Reply to #23  
bennyt Says:

When people in the 5-Towns are busy with issues like this, is it any wonder why Mashiach isn't here yet?

Cause in Brooklyn or Lakewood they aren't?

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 Jul 08, 2016 at 10:17 AM chachom Says:

I actually saw the same house in Lakewood last week.

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 Jul 08, 2016 at 10:30 AM kenyaninwhitehouse Says:

Rich people's problems, and I am struggling here making ends meat.

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 Jul 08, 2016 at 10:45 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #23  
bennyt Says:

When people in the 5-Towns are busy with issues like this, is it any wonder why Mashiach isn't here yet?

No wonder at all. Would you come to this mess if you were him?

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 Jul 08, 2016 at 10:44 AM chicagomaven Says:

Reply to #7  
Ina Says:

I don't see anything extraordinary about this house. Looks similar to many others.

How can you say that? Of course they are exactly the same. They both have a roof and front door and windows. :)

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 Jul 08, 2016 at 10:52 AM Anonymous Says:

Typical MCMANSIONS nothing special, sorry to disappoint the owners of both. I'm not impressed.

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 Jul 08, 2016 at 10:57 AM LionofZion Says:

First World problems...

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 Jul 08, 2016 at 11:27 AM ActualJew Says:

i only read this story to see why so many are commenting. this seems bizarre. tempest in a teapot.

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 Jul 08, 2016 at 08:32 AM MarkTwain2 Says:

Wow, 21 comments. We should add an architecture lawsuit to stories about Yeshiva boys not being told they need to work after marriage and not ask for any money, that there are sufficient knowledgeable female teachers to staff our girls schools and seminaries and that no male teachers should be accepted and that its ok to have flaws and we shouldn't go branding everyone left and right. Then, these more important issues will draw more comments and discussion and thereby hopefully trigger a popular movement for change.

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 Jul 08, 2016 at 12:26 PM jason Says:

In the US we live with copyright infringement laws. This protects people's proffesional hard work they may have put in many years to achieve. This also applies to architecture and structures.

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 Jul 08, 2016 at 12:39 PM Ari Says:

If I was the guy being sued, I would immediately be mazmin them to bais din for going to arkaos, and have them put in cherem.

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 Jul 08, 2016 at 01:27 PM Liepa Says:

Reply to #28  
kenyaninwhitehouse Says:

Rich people's problems, and I am struggling here making ends meat.

Ends rarely meat !

38

 Jul 08, 2016 at 02:38 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #9  
Reb Yid Says:

They didn't copy anything. The difference between those two houses is significant. It's like saying my house is copied from yours because they both are colonials.

I agree there is too many difference such as thee Porches and the side roofs of the house. I can't stand people who think they have to have total exclusive on something that is not. I can tell stories of what has happen to me because of such little minded people.I know people who will by a Continental if the neighbours have a Cadillac or a Mercedes if the neighbours have both Continentals and Cadillacs. Who cares. The reason being they want to knock everybodys' eyes out and if somebody has something similar it take them out of that category.

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 Jul 08, 2016 at 02:58 PM Moishe_Mechel Says:

Reply to #2  
knowitall1 Says:

It is genaiva to steel another yids intellectual property as with steeling songs when copying music. It is possible the poor home owners had no idea but the architect's who sold the plans to those homeowners have to pay up, shame on them! Kudos to Ricky and Shabtai, go get em!!!!!!

u obviously know these pathetic lowlifes & r licking their ____. business tarnished? now it is! who wants to deal with such an aloof scoundrel that's giving 5towns a bad name

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 Jul 08, 2016 at 03:01 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
knowitall1 Says:

It is genaiva to steel another yids intellectual property as with steeling songs when copying music. It is possible the poor home owners had no idea but the architect's who sold the plans to those homeowners have to pay up, shame on them! Kudos to Ricky and Shabtai, go get em!!!!!!

Are you nuts?! Why should these people care if the front of their home isn't THE ONLY ONE LIKE IT IN THE WORLD?! That's called being Overly involved in the luxuries of this temporary world and excessively caring about showing off. No way for a frum Jew to conduct themselves!

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 Jul 08, 2016 at 03:03 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Liepa Says:

Taake ah probblaim !!!

Money is something Hashem gives people to test them on how they're going to use it,,,,for tzedakah and helping others, or to show off their wealth. It's clear what's going on here unfortunately.

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 Jul 08, 2016 at 03:05 PM It's not even beautiful! Says:

Reply to #5  
Anonymous Says:

Having done extensive research in this field, I can tell you that this is absolutely going nowhere. Unless the architect is the one suing. The architect of record is always the one holding the intellectual property and he has the right to reuse the plans at his discretion. The only way the homeowners can restrict the architect from prototyping the plans is if there was a specific agreement when they retained and contacted with the architect. Now, let's say it was someone else that copied the house, it would have to be an exact replica of the house or it would have to be a specific unique feature that was copied that hasn't been done before. That is extremely unlikely. If anyone looks at the two pictures posted, one can see neither. I would venture to say that the guy trying to copy did a pretty lousy job and has either accomplished to copy the "look" without copying the architectural plan totally messed up his "copy".

What's so nice about the exterior of the house, that there's an argument about anyone wanting to copy it?!

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 Jul 08, 2016 at 03:06 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
knowitall1 Says:

It is genaiva to steel another yids intellectual property as with steeling songs when copying music. It is possible the poor home owners had no idea but the architect's who sold the plans to those homeowners have to pay up, shame on them! Kudos to Ricky and Shabtai, go get em!!!!!!

This is a perfect example of people who don't deserve the wealth they were blessed with!

45

 Jul 08, 2016 at 03:07 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Ina Says:

I don't see anything extraordinary about this house. Looks similar to many others.

And I don't see anything beautiful about it either, do you?

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 Jul 08, 2016 at 03:08 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
knowitall1 Says:

It is genaiva to steel another yids intellectual property as with steeling songs when copying music. It is possible the poor home owners had no idea but the architect's who sold the plans to those homeowners have to pay up, shame on them! Kudos to Ricky and Shabtai, go get em!!!!!!

So if these frumme Yidden think they're right, why didn't they go to beis din instead of making a chillul Hashem by going to the secular courts and forcing this publicity?

47

 Jul 08, 2016 at 03:11 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #16  
SIR78 Says:

Mrs. Fortgang claims her business and reputation have been tarnished?? Seriously??? How exactly??? How about just appreciating all you have and nonbeing so materialistic and egoistic.....somone built a house that looks like your? How does that effect your life. Pathetic.

To the contrary, she's probably hoping is will bring her much needed publicly and more business to her company! I think she should be boycotted for publicizing this nonsense so the goyish world can look and say, "look at the rich Jews and what they're fighting about!"

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 Jul 08, 2016 at 03:12 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #17  
Anonymous Says:

First learn how to spell before you tell them to get em...steal not steel.
Very nice yidden suing other yidden because nebech her house won't be original...oiy vus far a Tzuro dus is.. used to be imitation was the sincerest form of flattery... now G-D forbid...oiy where we stand in this sick gashmiosdig world that someone can't handle something as temporary as this..

Well said!

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 Jul 08, 2016 at 03:33 PM heyward Says:

They don't look similar at all. what problems these lunatics have.....

51

 Jul 08, 2016 at 06:00 PM StevenWright Says:

A jury should award this cry baby a box of tissues......

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 Jul 08, 2016 at 06:25 PM Anonymous Says:

I would venture to say that most of the people commenting on this story have at least one ArtScroll book. Open one up and look at the strongly worded copyright statement in the front. They have copyrighted everything—the layout, the style, the punctuation, etc. No one would be so foolish as to challenge that company; after all, it is well-known and probably has a lot of very good lawyers who specialize in intellectual property laws.

What most people have failed to realize is that intellectual property law applies to everyone, not just to companies you admire. If it is determined that the second family used copyrighted architectural plans in order to build their own house, then the house designer should get damages.

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 Jul 09, 2016 at 05:48 PM Mayer Says:

Reply to #16  
SIR78 Says:

Mrs. Fortgang claims her business and reputation have been tarnished?? Seriously??? How exactly??? How about just appreciating all you have and nonbeing so materialistic and egoistic.....somone built a house that looks like your? How does that effect your life. Pathetic.

She is right. Her stupid petty behaviour has greatly tarnished her reputation. She shows herself to be a pathetic individual with nothing between her ears.

54

 Jul 09, 2016 at 10:24 PM Noochie Says:

I don't think I've ever seen VIN commenters react b'kol echod like this ever before: feh.

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 Jul 10, 2016 at 12:56 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
Unlikely Says:

There is no such think as intellectual property rights according to Halacha.

no one is planning to sue under halacha, and you obviously are a shoitah who never heard of gnaivas da'as.

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 Jul 10, 2016 at 12:57 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
Anonymous Says:

I don't know that its "geniva" by any stretch for stealing a "design" thats dispalyed in public. Genivas das is only if sneakingly steal something thats not easily visbale. I am sorry but I don't think this constitutes geneva.

are you a posek, by any chance? because you surely aren't an English teacher with your ridiculous spelling....

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 Jul 10, 2016 at 01:00 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #28  
kenyaninwhitehouse Says:

Rich people's problems, and I am struggling here making ends meat.

if you can turn ends into meat, you should have no problem making a living

58

 Jul 10, 2016 at 01:01 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #31  
Anonymous Says:

Typical MCMANSIONS nothing special, sorry to disappoint the owners of both. I'm not impressed.

oh, ANONYMOUS is not impressed! you are right to apologize thinking you disappointed the owners, since your opinion is so important to them@

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 Jul 10, 2016 at 01:03 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #36  
Ari Says:

If I was the guy being sued, I would immediately be mazmin them to bais din for going to arkaos, and have them put in cherem.

you are obviously naive about borei dinim today, and you probably don't have enough money to buy a cherem decision from the besdin anyway,

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 Jul 10, 2016 at 01:04 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #38  
Anonymous Says:

I agree there is too many difference such as thee Porches and the side roofs of the house. I can't stand people who think they have to have total exclusive on something that is not. I can tell stories of what has happen to me because of such little minded people.I know people who will by a Continental if the neighbours have a Cadillac or a Mercedes if the neighbours have both Continentals and Cadillacs. Who cares. The reason being they want to knock everybodys' eyes out and if somebody has something similar it take them out of that category.

were you home-schooled? or are a recent immigrant?

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 Jul 10, 2016 at 01:06 PM Anonymous Says:

no one asked you to, or wanted you to...

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 Jul 10, 2016 at 01:08 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #46  
Anonymous Says:

So if these frumme Yidden think they're right, why didn't they go to beis din instead of making a chillul Hashem by going to the secular courts and forcing this publicity?

because as corrupt as secular courts are, botei dinim are ten times worse.

I speak from experience, having had to buy a decision from more than one besdin, and being outbid and losing the cases on others.

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 Jul 10, 2016 at 01:09 PM Anonymous Says:

really? because you haven't heard the same conversations in Boro Park or Flatbush or Queens? You must be going to Masbia in those other boroughs to miss those conversations,

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 Jul 10, 2016 at 01:16 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #52  
Anonymous Says:

I would venture to say that most of the people commenting on this story have at least one ArtScroll book. Open one up and look at the strongly worded copyright statement in the front. They have copyrighted everything—the layout, the style, the punctuation, etc. No one would be so foolish as to challenge that company; after all, it is well-known and probably has a lot of very good lawyers who specialize in intellectual property laws.

What most people have failed to realize is that intellectual property law applies to everyone, not just to companies you admire. If it is determined that the second family used copyrighted architectural plans in order to build their own house, then the house designer should get damages.

and what exactly would those damages be?

It's not enough to be guilty, but you must prove damages. And if you think Artscroll has bulletproof protection for "style" and "Punctuation", you are a simpleton and a dunce. Let other sforim start ending shacharis mincha and maariv with question marks and exclamation points not to run afoul of Artscroll's mighty copyrights on punctuation!

what a shoitah you must be!

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 Jul 10, 2016 at 07:46 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #64  
Anonymous Says:

and what exactly would those damages be?

It's not enough to be guilty, but you must prove damages. And if you think Artscroll has bulletproof protection for "style" and "Punctuation", you are a simpleton and a dunce. Let other sforim start ending shacharis mincha and maariv with question marks and exclamation points not to run afoul of Artscroll's mighty copyrights on punctuation!

what a shoitah you must be!

Wow, you can't make an argument without ad hominem attacks!

Look carefully at ArtScroll's copyright statement—they clearly mention punctuation!

If you are so sure of yourself, go ahead and publish something that ArtScroll has already done. Good luck (I hope you lose).

As far as this story is, the damages would be payment for use of those blueprints (whatever the going rate), plus legal costs to pursue this. Architects don't work for free. The court can also issue a fine. You can't just steal someone's work (although maybe you are of the type who thinks that secular laws are optional, I wouldn't doubt).

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 Jul 11, 2016 at 08:48 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #52  
Anonymous Says:

I would venture to say that most of the people commenting on this story have at least one ArtScroll book. Open one up and look at the strongly worded copyright statement in the front. They have copyrighted everything—the layout, the style, the punctuation, etc. No one would be so foolish as to challenge that company; after all, it is well-known and probably has a lot of very good lawyers who specialize in intellectual property laws.

What most people have failed to realize is that intellectual property law applies to everyone, not just to companies you admire. If it is determined that the second family used copyrighted architectural plans in order to build their own house, then the house designer should get damages.

what a ridiculous comment! And how foolish you must be to be scared by it!

what in the world would Artscroll sue for if someone did "violate" its warning? and what makes you think they have a team of lawyers just waiting to pounce?

You, sir, are extremely gullible.

I should also point out that any siddur or chumash Artscroll puts out is hardly "intellectual property". and what damages do you think the house designer incurred that (s)he should be reimbursed for? Just give me a ballpark idea of the amount and what those damages are?

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 Jul 11, 2016 at 08:55 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #65  
Anonymous Says:

Wow, you can't make an argument without ad hominem attacks!

Look carefully at ArtScroll's copyright statement—they clearly mention punctuation!

If you are so sure of yourself, go ahead and publish something that ArtScroll has already done. Good luck (I hope you lose).

As far as this story is, the damages would be payment for use of those blueprints (whatever the going rate), plus legal costs to pursue this. Architects don't work for free. The court can also issue a fine. You can't just steal someone's work (although maybe you are of the type who thinks that secular laws are optional, I wouldn't doubt).

first of all, I didn't make an argument by ad hominem: I made my argument by facts. My ad hominem additions were just comments on how ignorant you are,

Because they "clearly mention punctuation" does not mean they have any ability whatsoever to prosecute that and win. A siddur has certain punctuation that does not in any way belong to Artscroll, and they would not incur any damages even if they did have any rights to punctuation of a siddur or chumash.

payment for the use of blueprints would be zero, since no one is claiming that blueprints were stolen or used.

And you apparently do not even know that in America, legal costs are not reimbursible unless they are clearly agreed to in a contract, which did not exist here. America is one of the only countries that does NOT include winner's legal costs reimbursement in most cases.

Be grateful that I wasn't harder on you regarding your ignorance about virtually every point you made.

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 Jul 11, 2016 at 09:05 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #46  
Anonymous Says:

So if these frumme Yidden think they're right, why didn't they go to beis din instead of making a chillul Hashem by going to the secular courts and forcing this publicity?

probably because they have been to besdin before about business matters and saw how ignorant they were about business and, more importantly, how corrupt they were,

If over forty years of doing business, I have bveen to besdin often, as plaintiff and defendant. In NYC, Monsey and Lakewood there are perhaps three honest botei dinim. the many others I ahave been to required that pay the dayanim large amounts of money to win, which I did, and won, and when I was outbid by my opponent, I lost. I learned to consider it a cost of doing business, and beg my friends and family to never agree to go to besdin. the Mafia will give you more justic e than a besdin.

It is one of the most disgusting things that the frum, no, Chassidishe community that make up these botei dinim are so completely dishonest. Please be aware that this is not my opinion, but my own actual experience. the lawyers for besdin (I forget what they are called) often actually tell you this is an expense you have to be ready to pay when you first retain with them.

It is simply an incredible Chilul Hashem.

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 Jul 15, 2016 at 07:39 AM honestyisbest Says:

Reply to #5  
Anonymous Says:

Having done extensive research in this field, I can tell you that this is absolutely going nowhere. Unless the architect is the one suing. The architect of record is always the one holding the intellectual property and he has the right to reuse the plans at his discretion. The only way the homeowners can restrict the architect from prototyping the plans is if there was a specific agreement when they retained and contacted with the architect. Now, let's say it was someone else that copied the house, it would have to be an exact replica of the house or it would have to be a specific unique feature that was copied that hasn't been done before. That is extremely unlikely. If anyone looks at the two pictures posted, one can see neither. I would venture to say that the guy trying to copy did a pretty lousy job and has either accomplished to copy the "look" without copying the architectural plan totally messed up his "copy".

How do you know its not an exact replica of the house -both inside and out ? And why would they need to access the blueprints of the house if they were just similar looking - you obviously comment and just speculate on your knowledge without knowing anything

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 Jul 15, 2016 at 07:43 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #53  
Mayer Says:

She is right. Her stupid petty behaviour has greatly tarnished her reputation. She shows herself to be a pathetic individual with nothing between her ears.

Oh right - just let frum people go around stealing things that don't belong to them. what does it say about frum yidden who are her neighbors and go to the village department to get blueprints of the plans that don't belong to them and without their permission. Do you really think these people weren't warned before the lawsuit ? They obviously think they are above the law! Typical frum mentality - this is a great lesson for all frum yidden that think they can access anything they want and are above the law. Your ignorance is beyond astounding when you don't know any details about law, lawsuits, or how the legal system works

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 Jul 15, 2016 at 07:44 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #27  
chachom Says:

I actually saw the same house in Lakewood last week.

Funny - ur comment is beyond pathetic

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 Jul 15, 2016 at 07:45 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
Unlikely Says:

There is no such think as intellectual property rights according to Halacha.

And where did you learn this bit of genius - sitting in your house all day commenting online?

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 Jul 15, 2016 at 07:48 AM Anonymous Says:

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Moishe_Mechel Says:

u obviously know these pathetic lowlifes & r licking their ____. business tarnished? now it is! who wants to deal with such an aloof scoundrel that's giving 5towns a bad name

You must be on the side of people that steal!!! wow says a lot about your values ! and you claim to be an observant jew? you obviously would also go down to the building department and steal a set of architectural plans that don't belong to you - and do you really think these people weren't warned for months about the lawsuit? Your ignorance is beyond astounding - you see what you want to see- get your facts straight- these people were warned since August 2015- what does that say about these frum jews that steal? first they stole, then they were warned ? and now they have to be sued? wow - you must think you are above the law? i bet you steal from the government too! you must lie on your tax returns, section8....etc. since you clearly don't anything about geneva

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