Beit Shemesh, Israel – Growing tensions between ultra-Orthodox and religious residents in the town of Beit Shemesh, near Jerusalem, have escalated into violence as three teen girls were beaten up by haredim who claimed they were “immodestly” dressed.
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The incident was the last in a series of reported attacks by members of the Haredi Community faction on their religious neighbors, prompted by the latter’s’ alleged “promiscuity” and negative influence on haredi children.
According to reports, the three 15-year-old girls went for a walk on Shabbat passing through the haredi neighborhood. At some point they noticed that they were being followed by several men. A Few minutes later the men entered one of the buildings and then came back outside accompanied by dozens of people who then stormed the girls.
They kicked them until they fell on the ground, and started hitting them and throwing eggs at them while shouting, “Nazis, get out of here.”
Two of the girls managed to escape, while the third got away only after a passerby protested the attack and drew the attention of the crowd. A haredi woman from one of the nearby buildings hid the girl at her apartment and later helped her sneak outside covered in a long haredi-style robe.
The police were called to the place only after the incident had already been over and the attackers long gone.
“My daughter was completely hysterical,” said the girl’s father. “She came home all beaten up and filthy.” He added that he was shocked to discover that the attack was not perpetuated by “bored deprived youth but by adults over 40.
“They kept shouting that girls and boys walking together is promiscuity that spoils their children, but the girls were no way near any boys and the three of them were modestly dressed,” he claimed.
Meanwhile the members of the Haredi Community stream in Beit Shemesh present a different version for the state of affairs in town. Moshe, a haredi resident, said that young religious boys and girls often pass through the haredi neighborhood together, and that on occasion yeshiva students have to “drive them away by force.”
“Boys and girls laughing together is forbidden. This shouldn’t happen in a secular neighborhood, let alone an ultra-Orthodox one,” Moshe stated.
Following the recent weeks’ events, members of the Zionist religious community have approached the mayor and their local council representatives and have also filed a complaint with the police.
Meanwhile, negotiations have also been ongoing between members of both publics in an effort to reach an understanding that would enable coexistence in the mixed town.
Hashem Yiracheim
The attackers need to be found and prosecuted. Rabbinic leadership needs to condem this is the loudest terms. Call thme what they are, Criminals and Rashaim
Can we all assume the people who beat the girls were women, not men? After all, haredi men would not touch girls.
And then you wonder why Moshiach can’t come!!
If I would’ve been a chiloni I would’ve believed this blown up report and I would’ve been scared of frum people and do not be suprised if you see the hate to frum people go UP UP UP
Welcome to the Talibanization of Judaism, so sad…
First the disgusting comments on Mattisyahu (see earlier articles), Lipa ban, etc. etc. the list is endless. Whatever happened to Ahavas Yisroel? To the Taliban Muslims posing as Frum Jews, you can catch more bees with honey.
On a side note, something I have always wondered of frum men who beat women that they are not related to; if these “Men” (more like cowards) were so “frum” how could they touch the girls that they were beating? What heter is there? Did they set aside their hands before Shabbos for the purpose of beating little girls, or does that only work with muktzeh not shomer negiah?
Just wondering….
I’m afraid this is just the beginning and it won’t be taken seriously until R”L these “Women-On-The-Mind” Chareidim are exposed to what they really are.
If our leadership do not go out and publicly denounce such occurrences, then we are to blame!!!!!!!!!!!!
From now on we should throw these Yiddisha Neshamas some potato kuggel and chulent. Perhaps throw them some love. Hurting people is not yidishkeit.
At some point they noticed that they were being followed by several men. A Few minutes later the men entered one of the buildings and then came back outside accompanied by dozens of people who then stormed the girls.
They kicked them until they fell on the ground, and started hitting them and throwing eggs at them while shouting, “Nazis, get out of here.”
Folllowed by men, that is the biggest violation of tznius, in the Talmud it is stated Remove your feet from before Gehinom, refering to following ladies.
Kicking/hitting ladies is also a violation of tznius, calling Nazis is a violation of Judism, besides it belittles the nazis.
Rebuke must be given beloshon rako, nicely & quietly, it is totaly forbiden to hit someone for violating the Torah, maybe the person doesn’t know or understand, or has another interpretation than yours,to hit someone is baal toisif,unlessa shlliach Beis Din .
The amount of violations the attacker violated, way out number anything these poor girls could have violated. On top of the chilul Hashem which only miso [ death is mechaper].
Please get yourselves jobs, instead of claiming benifits & that you are learning all day, your actions are proof you are far from bnei torah, you are bored people who have almost no income causing poor Shalom Bayis, & you are fullfilling your arrousment on poor young girls in the name of Torah Bnei Torah, let me say Loi Zocho Naasis loi sam hamoves, you are masmeilim boh.
You have to do tshuva, & let me question who’s actions are much more like the nazis?
BTW, I am all fore Tznius, but you people are violators of tznius & all torah values as mentioned above. If there are problems your ways will only worsen them.
Perhaps part of the reason for the violence is because the boys themselves may have the tayva to do these things and hold themselves back. This causes a tremendous surge of negitive energy when they see others getting away with this.
The Charedim need to take a long hard look at their need to control women., and their fear of women.
That is their issue.
I just have another question .What happens if some of the friends and relatives of the fifteen year old girls decide that the Charedim need a taste of their own medicine and set up a “mishmeret neged alimut” . Physical violence can go both ways. Notice several men were following three girls but still needed more help to somp the three girls. The police don’t act against the charedim because they riot when one of their violent criminals are arrested. There will soon be no choice.
all in the name of religion..these fanatics will go beat up three young girls..they need to prosecuted and their names made public
The girl who was beaten up was a Frum girl who goes to a good Frum school that does not compromise on Tznius in any way, shape, or form. She and her friends were walking from one Frum neighborhood to another, via an Israeli Chareidi neighborhood, when they were attacked by the individuals in question. I know the family involved, and there is no excuse whatsoever for what happened.
an RBS resident
Can the girls families beat these cahreidimup for stealing from the government (not working and using social services), and for touching their girls?
There is something mentally wrong with you if you have to beat up on children. Perhaps Israel should adopt a welfare to work program. They can channel their energy by serving in the army. Next time you feel the need to beat a religious Zionist girl, you can beat an arab who wants to kill all Jews – from the pork eating irreligious kibbutznik to the rosh hayeshiva. Or, maybe you can work in construction instead of having Arabs take jobs “Jews don’t want.” I hear a hammer beats a nail nicely into a board of wood.
I don’t see how a person could believe this. Do you really think Hareidi men would, because of a tznius issue, violate the most basic rules of tznius? Come on, I hope you’re smarter than that! You should listen to the real story before commenting here, I’m sure there’s something more behind it, or this article is simply blown up!
The men who chase these women are illiterate fools who enjoy hitting women. They enjoy touching women and causing them pain, and watching them suffer. They are sick, sick, sick. Why do the rabbonim permit this sick behavior? Maybe some of them are sick too ?/????? Goodbye Hareidim; I have had enough.
Moishe: Do you really believe what you say, and if so, are you suggesting that the proper punishment for such a chilul hashem is beating…perhaps if they laugh too loud, a communal “stoning” of the offendors would be more appropriate. I respect VIN for publishing this story, but at times, I worry about the implications of allowing postings such as yours to have visibility.
Boys and girls laughing together is forbidden. This shouldn’t happen in a secular neighborhood, let alone an ultra-Orthodox one,
There are so many Anglos there we were thinking of moving there when we make Aliyah next year. Now I’m not so sure I want to live in a place where people behave like that. My condolences to the victims. It’s disgusting!
#3,#18
While it would seem hypocritical for them to touching the women it happens fairly often (a few times a year that we hear about it).
These charedis should be treated like the thugs they are. They should be arrested and put in jail with the other violent criminals. There is nothing that separates them from ordinary violent criminals. i dont care how frum or how much they daven etc. Nothing will changer until someone is actually killed. And it WILL happen. Once they get away with this and they will, they will become more brazen.
No statement from a mayor, police official, councilman etc.
Very believeable.
Read this story and the next story about Gur in Ashdod – now you can understand why the frei may resent the chareidim.
You see? There should be seperate sidewalks in all the charaidi neighborhoods. At least then the girls would only have been beaten by other women and would have had a fighting chance.
I think A.D.H.D. is a character trait in the chasidish community. Put them all on ritallin
Good thing Mondrowitz is locked up. He might be out there beating up non-tziniusdig boys.
to #3
are you serous? these pigs are hypocrits. they are bullies, cowards and have no worry about beating girls. shame on all of them. one sure way to turn the world against frummers.
somethings wrong here they are allowed to touch girls vs just looking
i called a contact ib beit shemesh this morning , it seems there was some provocation but this was done by a few nuts , the problem is that the leadership is apprehensive about condemming the attack for fear “that you’re sticking up for them ” & youre ok with the “matzav”
overall no one agrees with these tactics ,& the kehilla would dump these guys in a second the problem is that they have normal families & wifes & they cant be put in the street
entrapment…send some girls dressed in denim skirts — what they call “immodest” and have them followed by a team of guys ready to arrest the attackers…..but warn everyone a week before that they may be arrested. “we dont punish unless we warn”
THIS IS A TOUGH SUBJECT TO DISCUSS AMONG INTERNET VISITORS, BUT I’LL GIVE IT MY BEST EFFORT.
Did it ever occur to you that a woman who goes into a Hareidi neighborhood is viewed as an attacker?–A terrorist. Strange idea for most of you, isn’t it.
So, I’ll make it easier to understand. Suppose, these scantily-dressed teens took a stroll in an Arab villiage. How long would they last? Would they come out alive?
Taliban?–Sort of. If by Talban you mean that they take religious standards seriously and they don’t want their children exposed to the aggressively-promiscuous ways of Israeli secular society.
you have to hear two sides before judging, I don’t believe a word of this story, there is definitely much more to it.
No. 39 sure changes the picture a little..
to #39 – your story is complete rubbish. I know the families involved and in no way did that happen…………………………….on a different note – how can a rock knock off a shtreimel?
Why don’d those charedim close them self in a getto so they will not see and hear any thing from the outside. It is a free country and people are allowed at least to walk around. If they don’t like it stay at home.Those girl did not cross your property it is thier too.
Obviously these teens came to instigate. had they been ignored they would’ve never returned.
If the story is true and they through stones, that could not just be ignored.
I can only imagine the traffic of these instigators next shabbos. This time it will not only be 16 year olds.
Can’t they get a heter to use machine guns on Shabbos? Why stop at beatings? Let them implement a final solution for wayward teens.
This obbsession with tsenius is not only about mens primeval fear of women,but also the shallowness of judging “books by their cover”not looking deeper into the person,those girls may have had great middos,for instance but these people are only looking for the negative in people not the good,and then they wonder why the charedim are scorned,a few bad ones give them all a bad name.So stop this insane conformism and superficiality otherwise your way of life will be completely doomed and stop being so afraid of feminine beauty ,its also a gift from God don’t need to cover it over all the time.
The real conflict in the middle east is not over land or water but over gender politics,its about time Arab and Jewish men stopped treating their woman like children,telling them what to wear ect.They must realise that women are FREE!