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Kosher Shaver
After receiving the hechsher from the beis din, executives from Y. Rubin Shavers Ltd. 
, including CEO Yitzchak Katribs, paid a visit to Maran HaRav Eliashiv shlita at his home, where they received blessings for the welcome initiative aimed at preventing issurei deOraisa associated with standard shavers.
The company spent four years on development before the beard trimmer was able to meet the stringent halachic demands set. All of the trimmers underwent tests on non-Jews. Other devices were found to cut hair in a prohibited manner on certain parts of the face.
Following concerted efforts under the guidance of talmidei chachomim appointed by the beis din and in cooperation with a senior engineer and Yitzchak Katribs, the CEO and an expert on shaving devices, the company developed a trimmer with a special blade that undergoes improvement by an expert. The device was carefully checked and after meeting all of the strict halachic requirements was approved by the beis din.
The top device is the D4D trimmer, manufactured by US company Andis, the leader in the production of professional shaving devices, which are sold at authorized dealers.
The company is now working on a more advanced device, but since it is slated to be marketed in cooperation with one of the leading shaver companies the preparation period is longer, meaning the new trimmer will not be launched for at least a year.
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Dec 26, 2008 at 10:02 AM robroy560 Says:
Wahl makes something that looks the same... including the attachment shown in the picture.
Also, this is a little confusing. Was the issue with a beard trimmer or a shaver? I thought many of the actual electric shavers (Norelco, Braun, Panasonic, Remington, etc.) use multiple blades or heads and have no real halachic issues for those who shave their beards. I know a beard trimmer may have an issue.
I'm not a poseik halacha, so I'm already prepared to be ripped up by the self appointed gedolei hador who read this blog. In any event, I am curious about the issues here.
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Dec 26, 2008 at 09:55 AM john Says:
it is a step forward in the right direction hopefully one day the jewish people will have chanukah jewish pride and wont be ashamed to look like a real jew instead of a assimilated mix
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Dec 26, 2008 at 09:49 AM its me Says:
someone please explain to me what the hechsher is for? whats a hechsher doing on a shaver?
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Dec 26, 2008 at 10:16 AM Bearded one Says:
This is the most ridiculous thing I ever heard. If one is so makbid about this issue let him just grow a beard.
Now before a shidduch is made in addition to the color of your tablecloth they will want to know what brand of shaver you use. Have we all gone mad. How did our parents and grandparents survive without this mishigas .
What is next, kosher shoepolish or taking meiser from dogfood.
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Dec 26, 2008 at 10:14 AM Yossi G. Says:
< the company developed a trimmer with a special blade that undergoes improvement by an expert> What does that even mean? That's not asentance. No wonder poeple start to think that it's a scam for some company to make money!
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Dec 26, 2008 at 10:33 AM Anonymous Says:
“ This is the most ridiculous thing I ever heard. If one is so makbid about this issue let him just grow a beard.
Now before a shidduch is made in addition to the color of your tablecloth they will want to know what brand of shaver you use. Have we all gone mad. How did our parents and grandparents survive without this mishigas .
What is next, kosher shoepolish or taking meiser from dogfood. ”
Ah neiah meshigass. Soon you'll have a hecsher on mayim acharoinim....
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Dec 26, 2008 at 10:33 AM FarVustNisht Says:
“ someone please explain to me what the hechsher is for? whats a hechsher doing on a shaver?
”
Please explain to me why not? A shaver has very serious deOraisadic implications. Why shouldnt a Rov, who has done the necessary research endorse a product to the layman?
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Dec 26, 2008 at 10:30 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Wahl makes something that looks the same... including the attachment shown in the picture.
Also, this is a little confusing. Was the issue with a beard trimmer or a shaver? I thought many of the actual electric shavers (Norelco, Braun, Panasonic, Remington, etc.) use multiple blades or heads and have no real halachic issues for those who shave their beards. I know a beard trimmer may have an issue.
I'm not a poseik halacha, so I'm already prepared to be ripped up by the self appointed gedolei hador who read this blog. In any event, I am curious about the issues here. ”
Those brands don't have a hechsher so no one is making money we can't have that, can we? So we have to asser all the other ones now to be real frum I mean frumer than the gedolim YOU have to buy this shaver so the baal machshir can make a living so he has enough money to take this ben torah (that uses the mehadrin shaver)for his son in law
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Dec 26, 2008 at 10:24 AM Its you says Says:
“ someone please explain to me what the hechsher is for? whats a hechsher doing on a shaver?
”
Its for the mashgiach to make a buck. Now you will pay more money for an inferior product.
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Dec 26, 2008 at 10:39 AM GREAT IDEA Says:
I think that this is a great idea, finally a shaver thats halachically good lchol hadais!!
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Dec 26, 2008 at 10:37 AM Anonymous Says:
I believe Rabbi Abadi from Lakewood /yerushalyim says there are no problems with electric shavers as long as it has a screen. PERIOD!
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Dec 26, 2008 at 10:35 AM Anonymous Says:
if you can get a hechsher on a cell phone, garbage bags, detergent, napkins, diapers then whats wrong with a shaver having a hechsher. Im selling homes with a hechsher . stating price 699k. Buy before the new year and receive a free kosher shaver .
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Dec 26, 2008 at 11:10 AM Anonymous Says:
“ if you can get a hechsher on a cell phone, garbage bags, detergent, napkins, diapers then whats wrong with a shaver having a hechsher. Im selling homes with a hechsher . stating price 699k. Buy before the new year and receive a free kosher shaver . ”
You forgot bathroom tissue. No, I'm not kidding. A few years back we rented an apartment in Israel from a mehadrin min hamehadrin couple. The package of bathroom tissue they left next to the commode for our use had a very mehudar hechsher.
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Dec 26, 2008 at 11:09 AM Anonymous Says:
“ it is a step forward in the right direction hopefully one day the jewish people will have chanukah jewish pride and wont be ashamed to look like a real jew instead of a assimilated mix ”
What do you mean "look like a real jew". Does that mean anyone who shaves is not "real jew". Your ignorance and intolerance of klal yisroel and the 95% of yidden who do not wear beards is frightening. Equally frightening is that intelligent engineers and Rabbonim would we wasting so much time, money and intellectual resources on such nareshkeit when there are such urgent needs that go unmet. Why not help with medical research, the needs of the disabled etc. rather than such an absurd focu on a an electric shaver
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Dec 26, 2008 at 11:07 AM Anonymous Says:
Did you know that even the biggest rabbi in "kaabolah" the "ramaa miponah" did not have a beard!!!
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Dec 26, 2008 at 11:04 AM The Truth Says:
“ I think that this is a great idea, finally a shaver thats halachically good lchol hadais!! ”
I think you will be mistaken - not ALL poskim give their hechsher to anything. I know a posek who when asked about the 'kashrus' of an electric shaver said (something like), 'I think you should ask another posek for this shaila' - he does not allow any electric shaver at all, and did not want to give this person a psak (no shaving bichlal) to someone who is going to use some form of electric shaver.
You will never find a shaver or a food - not even water(!) that EVERYONE will agree on.
Although looking at the picture, it seems that it is not actually a shaver, but a beard trimmer. I never knew there was ever a problem with a beard trimmer.
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Dec 26, 2008 at 10:51 AM Anonymous Says:
“ if you can get a hechsher on a cell phone, garbage bags, detergent, napkins, diapers then whats wrong with a shaver having a hechsher. Im selling homes with a hechsher . stating price 699k. Buy before the new year and receive a free kosher shaver . ”
You are making letzonis out of a serious issue. Now that there is a kosher shaver on the market many bearded ones will be able to shave.
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Dec 26, 2008 at 10:48 AM shimi Says:
Does it also say on the box that this shaver is ossur (for the beard) accodrding to Rabbanim Elyashiv, Kanievsky, Steinman and Wosner?
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Dec 26, 2008 at 11:26 AM The issue Says:
Just to explain.
There are Deorasis that are involved if a person would shave with a machine that works like a razor blade. What they are producing is a shaver that would eliminate the problem of using a razor. This is alot diffrent than having a Hecsher on toilet paper and on Detergent, The ISSUR of shaving with a razor is very stingent and they are creating a product that would avoid this problem.
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Dec 26, 2008 at 11:45 AM Anonymous Says:
After my entire adult of using an electric razor I tried the Gillette Fusion and raboisie there is no better and safer shave.
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Dec 26, 2008 at 11:40 AM Zanvel de traiger Says:
“ Did you know that even the biggest rabbi in "kaabolah" the "ramaa miponah" did not have a beard!!! ”
YES you right, but is was the wife...
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Dec 26, 2008 at 11:39 AM Anonymous Says:
Its final. THE WORLD HAS GONE INSANE. One rabbi says something and we all follow, like lambs going to slaughter. The heimishe olim has gone mad. Whatever any racketeer says is taken as gospel. Our individual thought process is out the window. I hate to think of whats next. This is almost like Jim Jones in Jamestown.
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Dec 26, 2008 at 11:37 AM Anonymous Says:
“ it is a step forward in the right direction hopefully one day the jewish people will have chanukah jewish pride and wont be ashamed to look like a real jew instead of a assimilated mix ”
Are you aware that not all rishonim had beards?
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Dec 26, 2008 at 11:37 AM Anonymous Says:
“ Did you know that even the biggest rabbi in "kaabolah" the "ramaa miponah" did not have a beard!!! ”
I am afraid that you are confused with his Rabitzan.
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Dec 26, 2008 at 11:59 AM Anonymous Says:
“ I am afraid that you are confused with his Rabitzan. ”
You are making letzonis out of a very serious mitzvah.
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Dec 26, 2008 at 11:54 AM Anonymous Says:
What ever happened to asking your LOR what brand or model is OK to use?
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Dec 26, 2008 at 12:52 PM robroy560 Says:
“ I believe Rabbi Abadi from Lakewood /yerushalyim says there are no problems with electric shavers as long as it has a screen. PERIOD! ”
Yes, this what a rebbe (resident of Lakewood) told our 9th grade shiur almost 20 years ago. He had a full beard because that was his minhag, but all of my classmates shaved their faces (we were all from M/O homes).
I also know some people allow disposable shavers as long as they have at least two blades. Today 3 & 4 blades are very common. Personally I don't use them because my rechargeble electric is more cost effective.
like my wet-dry Panasonic. Multiple blades and a screen. Plus you can use it with shave lotion or soap. You can rinse it clean and shave in the shower too.
To the poster who wrote about a hechsher on toilet paper, that is the funniest thing I heard of - even better than the kosher L'Pesach mineral water I found in Whole Foods.
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Dec 26, 2008 at 12:24 PM The Truth Says:
“ You are making letzonis out of a very serious mitzvah. ”
You are right - it is now a MITZVAH to buy & use this rabbinically approved shaver.
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Dec 26, 2008 at 12:54 PM Anonymous Says:
“ it is a step forward in the right direction hopefully one day the jewish people will have chanukah jewish pride and wont be ashamed to look like a real jew instead of a assimilated mix ”
Maybe Jewish pride will be extended into the area of names, and we won't see so much goyish associated names like Mathew, and John, John.
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Dec 26, 2008 at 12:34 PM To Bearded one #4: Says:
“ This is the most ridiculous thing I ever heard. If one is so makbid about this issue let him just grow a beard.
Now before a shidduch is made in addition to the color of your tablecloth they will want to know what brand of shaver you use. Have we all gone mad. How did our parents and grandparents survive without this mishigas .
What is next, kosher shoepolish or taking meiser from dogfood. ”
Thank you for making me laugh so hard! A freilichen Chanukah.
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Dec 26, 2008 at 12:21 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Did you know that even the biggest rabbi in "kaabolah" the "ramaa miponah" did not have a beard!!! ”
and back then they did not have cars. so what are you trying to say.
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Dec 26, 2008 at 12:17 PM Anonymous Says:
“ I think that this is a great idea, finally a shaver thats halachically good lchol hadais!! ”
and what did you use ontill now being that you care so much?
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Dec 26, 2008 at 12:17 PM Anonymous Says:
“ What ever happened to asking your LOR what brand or model is OK to use? ”
You dont need LOR, Ask the BUZZ.
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Dec 26, 2008 at 12:16 PM Anonymous Says:
“ What ever happened to asking your LOR what brand or model is OK to use? ”
L O R, ma zeh ?
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Dec 26, 2008 at 12:14 PM Askipeh Hanidreses Says:
Its sad to see so many litzoness of a serious issue. Those who think that the best of the current shavers are still only bedievediga shavers are trying to come up with a more lecatchilladiga one. Instead of saying "wow", we'll be better Yiden, we hear all kinds of letzoness, with one even suggesting that individual thought comes before the daas HaRabonim. Sorry, we have a Torah and we follow our gedoilim. Not everything is a buisiness and not every chumre is to be belittled.
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Dec 26, 2008 at 01:37 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Its sad to see so many litzoness of a serious issue. Those who think that the best of the current shavers are still only bedievediga shavers are trying to come up with a more lecatchilladiga one. Instead of saying "wow", we'll be better Yiden, we hear all kinds of letzoness, with one even suggesting that individual thought comes before the daas HaRabonim. Sorry, we have a Torah and we follow our gedoilim. Not everything is a buisiness and not every chumre is to be belittled. ”
"Not evething is a business". What do you think this new shaver is, Are they going to give them away for free. Wake up and smell the coffee. Its all a racket.
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Dec 26, 2008 at 01:35 PM Anonymous Says:
i hate how they make it that if u have the shaver with a hechcher that makes u a better jew, that's the last thing that makes u a better jew. thins that count are how u treat a fellow jew, business, etc not a shaver!!
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Dec 26, 2008 at 01:41 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Its sad to see so many litzoness of a serious issue. Those who think that the best of the current shavers are still only bedievediga shavers are trying to come up with a more lecatchilladiga one. Instead of saying "wow", we'll be better Yiden, we hear all kinds of letzoness, with one even suggesting that individual thought comes before the daas HaRabonim. Sorry, we have a Torah and we follow our gedoilim. Not everything is a buisiness and not every chumre is to be belittled. ”
Using this shaver, is that one of the 613 or is it the 614th.
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Dec 26, 2008 at 10:56 AM Anonymous Says:
Yes, the article was VERY poorly written, obviously by someone who is not fluent in English.
But that does not mean the product or the concept is useless.
There ARE people who do not hold from using the shavers currently on the market. Despite the multiple blade idea, many of the newer shavers have screens which actually cut as you move them across the face. Others cut below the skin surface, which is how they get that "super smooth" face.
Many rabbonim hold that no matter the equipment, if the cut is below the skin's outer surface it is ossur anyway.
They feel that the cutting action, like a scissor, must be above the skin's surface. This elimimates almost every modern shaver on the market today.
And, yes, there are people who are very pakpid, but can't grow beards for a few reasons, either skin conditions, or other reasons important to them, but they look for a halachic way to remove their beards.
Many are using a regular haircutting machine, using the #1 or #0 blades/attachments.
This may offer a more convenient method for these people.
But, to satisfy these people, we would certainly need a Heimish hashgacha.
This is not a joke, and is not just a money making thing. It is important to many people's lives.
I know of one man who is a baal teshuva, and is now Chassidish. He would certainly prefer to grow a beard, but he is a surgeon, and the hospital where he has had privileges for 15 years, and has built a practice, will not allow a surgeon with a beard!
So, he has used a regular barber's hair cutting machine, with the removeable heads, and uses the #1 head.
So, don't laugh at every product with a hechsher, just because you don't see the need for it.
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Dec 26, 2008 at 01:53 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Yes, the article was VERY poorly written, obviously by someone who is not fluent in English.
But that does not mean the product or the concept is useless.
There ARE people who do not hold from using the shavers currently on the market. Despite the multiple blade idea, many of the newer shavers have screens which actually cut as you move them across the face. Others cut below the skin surface, which is how they get that "super smooth" face.
Many rabbonim hold that no matter the equipment, if the cut is below the skin's outer surface it is ossur anyway.
They feel that the cutting action, like a scissor, must be above the skin's surface. This elimimates almost every modern shaver on the market today.
And, yes, there are people who are very pakpid, but can't grow beards for a few reasons, either skin conditions, or other reasons important to them, but they look for a halachic way to remove their beards.
Many are using a regular haircutting machine, using the #1 or #0 blades/attachments.
This may offer a more convenient method for these people.
But, to satisfy these people, we would certainly need a Heimish hashgacha.
This is not a joke, and is not just a money making thing. It is important to many people's lives.
I know of one man who is a baal teshuva, and is now Chassidish. He would certainly prefer to grow a beard, but he is a surgeon, and the hospital where he has had privileges for 15 years, and has built a practice, will not allow a surgeon with a beard!
So, he has used a regular barber's hair cutting machine, with the removeable heads, and uses the #1 head.
So, don't laugh at every product with a hechsher, just because you don't see the need for it. ”
You and youre way of thinking are part of the problem, not the solution.
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Dec 26, 2008 at 02:50 PM Wondering Says:
“ Using this shaver, is that one of the 613 or is it the 614th. ”
It is 615, since Thou Shalt not go to Concerts is 614 (sic)
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Dec 27, 2008 at 07:29 PM jomadar Says:
hahaha #20 i did the exact thing you did it was the best shave of my life not one cut todays gillets are extreemly good with a regular shaving machine i had pain in my neck area after shaving with a gillet i cant praise it enough raboisay lets stop all this nonsense time has come to get real and not live in a fantasy of our own
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Dec 27, 2008 at 06:58 PM Anonymous Says:
If you follow the Tzemach Tesedek of Chabad who was a great Jewish Leader and a great Mekubal, this is a issur doraisah.
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Dec 27, 2008 at 09:03 PM Anonymous Says:
There is a long standing machlokes between R' Moshe Feinstein ZT'L and the Gedolei Haposkim of Eretz Yisroel about the use of shavers, although R' Dovid Feinstein SHLITA told me that his father would not have permitted the use of many of the shavers on the market today. This shaver is designed to satisfy the views of the Gedolei Eretz Yisroel. What isn't clear to me is how this shaver is different from other Andis trimmer products that I have been told were permitted by the Poskim in Eretz Yisroel? Is it that they went through the formal process of getting a hechsher? This is a dovor chomur and not something to be made fun of.
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Dec 27, 2008 at 09:03 PM chosid Says:
You will NEVER get all poskim to agree on..anything I think.
Using this as an example, the heiliger Tzemach Tzedek paskened that all forms of trimming and cutting (the beard), regardless how they are done, are ossur doraisa al pi halacha. Certainly a Lubavitcher is obligated in this and it is at least a hanhaga tova and a positive chumra to take on for everyone else where possible.
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Dec 27, 2008 at 08:45 PM to mr. guilty conscious Says:
“ What do you mean "look like a real jew". Does that mean anyone who shaves is not "real jew". Your ignorance and intolerance of klal yisroel and the 95% of yidden who do not wear beards is frightening. Equally frightening is that intelligent engineers and Rabbonim would we wasting so much time, money and intellectual resources on such nareshkeit when there are such urgent needs that go unmet. Why not help with medical research, the needs of the disabled etc. rather than such an absurd focu on a an electric shaver ”
The fact that you got so upset at reading this and not bothering to pay attention to his words leave me to the impression that you don't have "the looks of a real jew" which is what he wrote. for sure clean shaven jews are as real as us with beards, but when you shave your beard it's hard to see that you arre proud of the "jewish look".
Try and imagine Moshe Rabainu, or Yehuda hanmacabee or Yochanan kohen gadol etc. etc. w/o a beard.
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Dec 27, 2008 at 08:42 PM mordy Says:
People in the world look for way to be more comfortable in their life. This is a very comfortable way to shave. One needs to think if in the time of the Tanayim and Amoroyim they would have apreciated a new shaver to use. Perhaps they were proud of their beard as a way to receives blessing from above, and for rabbinic stature.
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Dec 27, 2008 at 10:48 PM Shaul in Monsey Says:
This is exactly why the song I wanna be a rebbe is made - and hits such a sore nerve. Because while allegedly so called rabbonim are busy with this, and even busier calculating the revenue this will generate, the real issues get ignored. Mondrowitz is a fugitive for 20 years? Who cares, lets find a shaver we can bilk these poor slobs with.
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Dec 28, 2008 at 10:43 AM Anonymous Says:
What people do in the privicy of their own bathroom is nobodys business but their own. Everyone is entitled to do as they feel is correct.
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Dec 28, 2008 at 11:14 AM Anonymous Says:
“ What people do in the privicy of their own bathroom is nobodys business but their own. Everyone is entitled to do as they feel is correct. ”
Watch you back. The shatchen migh have installed a web cam in your bathroom and its ous shidach.
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Dec 28, 2008 at 02:43 PM chakira Says:
This is a great development. Because of the well known איסור to grow a beard in חוץ לארץ, many Jews like the Ramah MiFano and Ramhal needed to go through great trouble to remove their beard in a permissible fashion. Thankfully, the גדולי א"י have been mezakeh us people in America who cannot grow beards with this wonderful invention.
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Dec 28, 2008 at 02:48 PM Anonymous Says:
A neia mishigas....When will it end, when there is no gelt left in the heimisha community?
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Dec 28, 2008 at 03:25 PM michal Says:
“ You are making letzonis out of a serious issue. Now that there is a kosher shaver on the market many bearded ones will be able to shave. ”
Chas v'shalom. Men should not touch their beard. A beard brings mazal.