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New York - Orthodox Jewish Organization: No Pre-Nup, No Wedding, Says RCA

Published on: September 23, 2016 03:00 PM
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New York - Hoping to eliminate devastating difficulties in the divorce process, the Rabbinical Council of America has passed a resolution requiring all of its member rabbis to require the use of a halachic prenuptial agreements when they officiate at weddings.

The resolution was adopted Thursday by the membership of the RCA and was designed to prevent potential problems in cases where one spouse will not give or accept a get.

“We have seen over and over again that the existence of a halachic prenup dramatically changes the dynamics of contentious divorce cases and eliminates the risk that the get will be improperly used as a tool for leverage or extortion,” said Rabbi Shlomo Weissman, director of the Beth Din of America.

According to RCA president Rabbi Shalom Baum, having a prenuptial agreement in place has been an effective means to ensure that a get is issued and accepted in a timely and unconditional matter.  Making a halachic prenuptial agreement as mandatory as a kesuba to the marriage process will also eliminate any possible stigma or discomfort of asking a potential spouse to sign the legal agreement.

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Rabbi Mordechai Willig, a rosh yeshiva at Yeshiva University’s Rabbi Isaac Elchonon Theological Seminary and deputy av beis din at the Beth Din of America, drafted a halachic prenuptial agreement in 1993 in consultation with both legal and halachic experts in 1993.  That prenuptial agreement is widely used but RCA members are free to use any halachic prenuptial agreement that is endorsed by their rabbinical authorities.

Making a halachic prenuptial agreement part of the marriage process shifts the focus of the document from the couple to the rabbi and his professional standards, explained Rabbi Baum. 

“Supporting members of the community and relieving their distress are among the top priorities of rabbis,” observed Rabbi Mark Dratch, executive vice president of the RCA. “If the definition of a religious scholar is one who increases peace in the world (Berachot 64a), then rabbis must certainly step into the forefront when use of halachically acceptable tools are available to prevent the abuse of the vulnerable. Otherwise, we forfeit our claim to the title ‘rabbi.’”

The RCA is planning several initiatives that will help rabbis and community members better understand and implement the signing of prenuptial agreements.


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 Sep 23, 2016 at 04:15 PM Anonymous Says:

Pre-nups are potentially problematic. There are those who consider the entire subject taboo for halachic reasons. They are not looking for trouble, just to be consistent with halacha. Others find the RCA approved pre-nup inconsistent with halacha, In this regard, there are efforts underway to craft a pre-nup agreement that will be halachically approved by the mainstream poskim. If this can work, there will be something useful to work with. To compromise on halacha is never acceptable. That is why there are so many poskim from the mainstream community that dismiss the RCA as willing to allow their preferences, however laudable, to overrule halacha.

There are still questions about the use of the secular courts to enforce the pre-nup that is in turn obligating the get, whether this constitutes a forced get. The subject is way too complex to be covered adequately in media. There is an emotional side to the subject, and this tends to make people get radical and rash. I expect to see some such comments, and I hope those who wish to adopt such attitudes should realize that their desires do not necessarily create halacha in their favor.

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 Sep 23, 2016 at 04:35 PM Anonymous Says:

How does this solve the problem of a husband who refuses to give a get, whether with a prenup or without?!

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 Sep 23, 2016 at 04:48 PM judith Says:

A good step in the direction of equalizing the playing field

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 Sep 23, 2016 at 05:44 PM walkinsilence Says:

Who needs a Rabbi for Kiddushin?

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 Sep 23, 2016 at 06:24 PM Esther Says:

Interesting photo VIN.

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 Sep 24, 2016 at 01:56 PM Kotsker - Breslover Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

Pre-nups are potentially problematic. There are those who consider the entire subject taboo for halachic reasons. They are not looking for trouble, just to be consistent with halacha. Others find the RCA approved pre-nup inconsistent with halacha, In this regard, there are efforts underway to craft a pre-nup agreement that will be halachically approved by the mainstream poskim. If this can work, there will be something useful to work with. To compromise on halacha is never acceptable. That is why there are so many poskim from the mainstream community that dismiss the RCA as willing to allow their preferences, however laudable, to overrule halacha.

There are still questions about the use of the secular courts to enforce the pre-nup that is in turn obligating the get, whether this constitutes a forced get. The subject is way too complex to be covered adequately in media. There is an emotional side to the subject, and this tends to make people get radical and rash. I expect to see some such comments, and I hope those who wish to adopt such attitudes should realize that their desires do not necessarily create halacha in their favor.

You state a lot of things as facts, but you never back it up with references.
Who are your mainstream rabbis that don't respect the decisions of the RCA?

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 Sep 24, 2016 at 06:06 PM mitchmitch Says:

Next we will be seeing a "GET" being prepared before the wedinig so as not to have to do it afterwards...............

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 Sep 24, 2016 at 08:29 PM McDougL Says:

Reply to #5  
Esther Says:

Interesting photo VIN.

I hear,
Taka interesting photo

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 Sep 24, 2016 at 08:48 PM AuthenticSatmar Says:

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mitchmitch Says:

Next we will be seeing a "GET" being prepared before the wedinig so as not to have to do it afterwards...............

Such an idea was offered 250 years ago but ultimately rejected.

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 Sep 24, 2016 at 08:55 PM Shlomo-1 Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

Pre-nups are potentially problematic. There are those who consider the entire subject taboo for halachic reasons. They are not looking for trouble, just to be consistent with halacha. Others find the RCA approved pre-nup inconsistent with halacha, In this regard, there are efforts underway to craft a pre-nup agreement that will be halachically approved by the mainstream poskim. If this can work, there will be something useful to work with. To compromise on halacha is never acceptable. That is why there are so many poskim from the mainstream community that dismiss the RCA as willing to allow their preferences, however laudable, to overrule halacha.

There are still questions about the use of the secular courts to enforce the pre-nup that is in turn obligating the get, whether this constitutes a forced get. The subject is way too complex to be covered adequately in media. There is an emotional side to the subject, and this tends to make people get radical and rash. I expect to see some such comments, and I hope those who wish to adopt such attitudes should realize that their desires do not necessarily create halacha in their favor.

Who decides who is "the mainstream community?"
You can say that there are those that agree and those who don't agree with the RCA but to imply that those who do agree are outside of the mainstream is not proper.

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 Sep 24, 2016 at 09:47 PM Anonymous Says:

Nice...mixed up world...woman putting the ring on the mans finger...huh?
RCA.. does the woman give the kesuba to the man as well?
Just asking.....

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 Sep 24, 2016 at 09:57 PM Benny Says:

All due respect to Rabbi Weisman, but I would like to see the enforcement of big Poiskim like Rav Dovid Feinstein, Rav Nota Greenblat and Rav Dovid Cohen on it.

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 Sep 24, 2016 at 10:19 PM Anonymous Says:

Notice that the woman is putting the ring on the mans finger. Hmmmmm.

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 Sep 24, 2016 at 10:22 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
Kotsker - Breslover Says:

You state a lot of things as facts, but you never back it up with references.
Who are your mainstream rabbis that don't respect the decisions of the RCA?

Choose your poskim around the frum community in NY. Then ask them. The rejection of the RCA pre-nup is close to unanimous. You might include the major yeshivos. Ask the Roshei Yeshivos. Then go to the dayanim of the recognized batei din, Hisachdus, Karlsburg, Beis Yosef, Mechon Lehoroya, and others. Tally your results. Then report your findings here. Everyone I know has dealt with the subject with these multiple dayanim, and there is nary a trace of acceptance.

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 Sep 25, 2016 at 12:32 AM mutti Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

How does this solve the problem of a husband who refuses to give a get, whether with a prenup or without?!

it cant force the husband to give a get, but i believe it does bind him to financial obligations which are enforceable in court. these financial obligations tend to encourage the giving of the get, so the huband can be freed of them.

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 Sep 25, 2016 at 12:47 AM judith Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

How does this solve the problem of a husband who refuses to give a get, whether with a prenup or without?!

The prenup doesn't allow the secular court to force a get. It only requires a substantial amount of support to the estranged wife. Since the husband would likely not wish to pay the support, he would likely offer a get.

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 Sep 25, 2016 at 02:10 AM Kotsker - Breslover Says:

Reply to #13  
Anonymous Says:

Notice that the woman is putting the ring on the mans finger. Hmmmmm.

You do realize that picture was chosen by VIN. It has nothing to do with RCA.

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 Sep 25, 2016 at 03:45 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #12  
Benny Says:

All due respect to Rabbi Weisman, but I would like to see the enforcement of big Poiskim like Rav Dovid Feinstein, Rav Nota Greenblat and Rav Dovid Cohen on it.

So YOU have just decided who the big poskim are? Can you also solve other world problems like the Middle East, famine ....

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 Sep 25, 2016 at 07:20 AM HeshyEmes Says:

The RCA findings, tgatvthis prenup has been effective in forcing a man to give a get, is skewered by the test population. Someone who is the type to use the Get as a weapon is also not someone who would agree to sign this prenup. The results of the RCA experiment are therefore faulty.

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 Sep 25, 2016 at 03:43 AM Anonymous Says:

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Esther Says:

Interesting photo VIN.

VIN are smarter than you realised. One picture is worth a thousand words. Think a little.

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 Sep 25, 2016 at 03:14 PM It takes two Says:

Included in the prenup should be if a woman plays with visitation rights then she has to pay her husband as well. And playing includes when its dad's turn you can't all of a sudden decide that little fayige has a cold and can't come. If the women does that she pays for it just like dad pays if he is jerk and is a get refuser.

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