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Jerusalem - Legendary Kabbalist Warns Israeli Leaders Of Dire Consequences If it Backs Off Now From Destroying Hamas

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Rabbi Eliyahu Leon Levi recites Tikun Hatzot at the KotelRabbi Eliyahu Leon Levi recites Tikun Hatzot at the Kotel

Jerusalem - Speaking to a gathering of students Tuesday night, the elder Kabbalist, Rabbi Eliyahu Leon Levi of Bnei Brak, warned that the war against Hamas should not be taken lightly.

“The Hamas has long-range Grad missiles that are aimed at our country’s strategic facilities,” he stated. “The threat is a life and death danger for the people of Israel. Imagine the catastrophe if a nuclear facility was damaged, causing the release of radioactivity in the air. People must be awakened to the severity of the danger and the Israeli army must strike at the enemy with its full force, without any mercy and external considerations.”

On several occasions, Rabbi Leon tipped off the Israeli military about threats to the country’s security. Years ago, the kabbalist elder revealed the existence of an extensive network of underground tunnels both on the Egyptian-Gaza border and in the Gaza Strip. On another occasion, the Rabbi alerted Colonel Moti Yogev who in turn reported to the Israel Air Force of the approach of an enemy ship, stockpiled with arms and missiles, on the way to Gaza. The air force checked out the ship, and Rabbi Leon’s report was found to be accurate. The threat was dealt with. %ad%

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Rabbi Levy said that Gaza had become stockpiled with tens of thousands of missiles, like Lebanon. “Air force strikes are of limited effectiveness,” he declared. The Hamas has built a massive network of deep underground storage facilities, fortified with layers of concrete.” He said the missiles came from Iran, by way of Egypt. Once in Egypt, the missiles are transported by trucks to the border of Gaza, where they are smuggled into Gaza in small vehicles via a two-kilometer underground highway. “In this fashion,” he explained, “Hamas is being supplied with an unlimited arsenal of weapons and supplies. Only ground forces can destroy this secret supply route, by locating the tunnels and blowing them up, even if it means casualties to our troops. This ground operation has to be carried out now, before it is too late,” he warned.

To support his forecast, he reminded the gathering of a miracle during the first Gulf War, during a prayer gathering of hundreds in Herzliya, a short distance away from the central gas storage facility, Glilot. During the prayers, the Rabbi said he “received a spiritual fax,” that a rocket was on the way. In the words of Avraham Ben Shushan from Kiryat Arba who attended the prayer rally, “Rabbi Leon suddenly announced that a rocket was headed towards the area and that everyone should disperse and find cover.” Moments thereafter, the sirens sounded and a missile landed nearby. “They were aiming for the gas storage facility,” Rabbi Leon said, “But our prayers knocked the missile off course.”

In addition, he said, “You don’t have to be a prophet to see the increasing sympathy for Hamas on the part of the Arabs in Israel. Danger threatens us from without and within.”

Rabbi Leon said that every Jew had to enlist in the fight. “Those of us who are not in the army must become spiritual soldiers with the same day-and-night spirit of sacrifice and sense of duty as our boys in uniform. It is our prayers that give fuel to our fighter planes and tanks and direct our missiles on course.”

Rabbi Leon listed several spiritual offensives: In our battle against the Hamas, the Jewish people in Israel must unite by judging all Jews in a scale of merit, even blatant sinners. Even those who seem to transgress unwittingly out of compulsion, because of a lack of Jewish education and the cultural pollution of the times, we must view them with love and judge them favorably, the Rabbi urged.

He also called upon students to increase supplications for salvation, including the tearful nightly recital of “Tikun Hatzot,” the special midnight lament.

Especially important, he emphasized, was the upcoming “Shovavim” period, when for six weeks congregations will gather all over Israel for special prayers, called “Tikun HaYesod,” over sexual transgressions.

“It is well known that our enemies arise against us due to our sins,” he reminded the crowd. “By each and every one of us doing deep, heartfelt repentance, we can uproot and cancel the harsh decree. Through fervently praying with all of our souls, begging G-d to forgive us for the sins which have brought this cruel enemy upon us, we can influence the situation on the ground. Just as the united prayers of the Jewish people have brought us rain, so too they can save us from the present danger.


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 Jan 01, 2009 at 01:26 PM Anonymous Says:

Well, go for it!

2

 Jan 01, 2009 at 01:23 PM Anonymous Says:

Wow Let's go fight

3

 Jan 01, 2009 at 01:30 PM Anonymous Says:

wow. i hope the IDF listens to this holy man.

4

 Jan 01, 2009 at 01:15 PM logic613 Says:

Outstanding and inspiring! Let's take his message and run with it!

5

 Jan 01, 2009 at 01:43 PM Anonymous Says:

Bush should talk to him maybe he knows where Bin Laden is?

6

 Jan 01, 2009 at 01:38 PM dreikup Says:

i'm not sure if this guy is holy or not but definetly he seems to know what he's talking about. the coming days will tell if he has it straight.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 01:38 PM robroy560 Says:

I don't follow the kabbalah, but this Rav is correct.

Interestingly, I cannot remember a war or military action (in recent times) were many different rabbis have given their opinion on the halacha. For instance, earlier this week 4 rabbis declared that the response to Hamas was appropriate even when civilians may be hit.

So in my lay person's mind, this tells me there is something really big going on here and we in Chutz L'Aretz cannot fully grasp it. Therefore we need to pay attention because the rabbeim in EY seem to be in tune with this situation.

Either way, go get them IDF! May the RSO grant you a victory.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 01:33 PM murray Says:

the likes of Olmert and company will Not, can not listen and obey-somehow their hearts have turned to stone.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 01:53 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #5  
Anonymous Says:

Bush should talk to him maybe he knows where Bin Laden is?

The way the war in Iraq went it looks like he spoke to him

10

 Jan 01, 2009 at 02:09 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
robroy560 Says:

I don't follow the kabbalah, but this Rav is correct.

Interestingly, I cannot remember a war or military action (in recent times) were many different rabbis have given their opinion on the halacha. For instance, earlier this week 4 rabbis declared that the response to Hamas was appropriate even when civilians may be hit.

So in my lay person's mind, this tells me there is something really big going on here and we in Chutz L'Aretz cannot fully grasp it. Therefore we need to pay attention because the rabbeim in EY seem to be in tune with this situation.

Either way, go get them IDF! May the RSO grant you a victory.

Which 4 Rabbi's

11

 Jan 01, 2009 at 02:05 PM Moshe B. Says:

Reply to #6  
dreikup Says:

i'm not sure if this guy is holy or not but definetly he seems to know what he's talking about. the coming days will tell if he has it straight.

Dreikup,you have a lot to learn! Who are you to speak of this Tzadik as "this guy"?

12

 Jan 01, 2009 at 02:36 PM Anonymous Says:

Hope you've been following the rhetoric from Egypt and France...There is NO TRUCE on the table...these countries feed it to the news and then the news decides to feed it back to the LEFTISTS and then Olmert and Barak cave IN...DON"T BELIEVE THE HYPE!!!

13

 Jan 01, 2009 at 02:39 PM ALLAN Says:

It sounds to me as though Rabbi Levy has contact with higher authority.....and taking his advise will only result in a better outcome for Israel's security.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 02:34 PM robroy560 Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

Which 4 Rabbi's

One was Rav Ovadia Yosef's eldest son. I can't remember if the post was on VIN or Arutz Sheva.

15

 Jan 01, 2009 at 02:46 PM murray Says:

Re-read the article twice-one thing continues to bother me;"spoke to a gathering of students"---With news and a Message of this nature- should be speaking to the whole (Jewish) World............or is it the job of the students (and apparently VIN{thanks}) to disseminate the message? Not to poke fun, but on a certain level, (lehavdil) it is like the space traveller who comes with an important message to the People of Earth, and instead of maybe landing in D.C, and telling the President, he lands in a remote field in New Mexico, and talks to the hicks.

16

 Jan 01, 2009 at 02:26 PM Just thinking Says:

Rabbi Leon Levy vists the Syrian community in Brooklyn yearly and has many followers here.
He has a Yeshiva in Bnei Brak and is known for his Motze Shabat Shiur at the Kotel, which draws a nice crowd.

17

 Jan 01, 2009 at 02:26 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
dreikup Says:

i'm not sure if this guy is holy or not but definetly he seems to know what he's talking about. the coming days will tell if he has it straight.

Hey, this Holy man has Nothing to prove, as he has already proved himself accurate many times, and has a track record. Why should he just now start spouting off with a bunch of dribble? Trust him, take it to Heart, and most important - Act on it!
If the nuclear deterrent is compromised, forget about worrying about the radio-active fallout, Israel will not last long enough (c'v') to deal with the effects. Isreal's enemies are held at bay by the nukes.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 02:22 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
robroy560 Says:

I don't follow the kabbalah, but this Rav is correct.

Interestingly, I cannot remember a war or military action (in recent times) were many different rabbis have given their opinion on the halacha. For instance, earlier this week 4 rabbis declared that the response to Hamas was appropriate even when civilians may be hit.

So in my lay person's mind, this tells me there is something really big going on here and we in Chutz L'Aretz cannot fully grasp it. Therefore we need to pay attention because the rabbeim in EY seem to be in tune with this situation.

Either way, go get them IDF! May the RSO grant you a victory.

By the way its a machlokes haposkim some Rabbis are say it is a problem but who cares the leaders of a country have to do what they think is good bderech hateva isreal is not a theoracy its a democracy

19

 Jan 01, 2009 at 02:18 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
robroy560 Says:

I don't follow the kabbalah, but this Rav is correct.

Interestingly, I cannot remember a war or military action (in recent times) were many different rabbis have given their opinion on the halacha. For instance, earlier this week 4 rabbis declared that the response to Hamas was appropriate even when civilians may be hit.

So in my lay person's mind, this tells me there is something really big going on here and we in Chutz L'Aretz cannot fully grasp it. Therefore we need to pay attention because the rabbeim in EY seem to be in tune with this situation.

Either way, go get them IDF! May the RSO grant you a victory.

Can the Rabbis stick to torah & not get involved in military matters or foreign affairs, they look like the aytollahs in Iran

20

 Jan 01, 2009 at 02:27 PM dreikup Says:

Reply to #11  
Moshe B. Says:

Dreikup,you have a lot to learn! Who are you to speak of this Tzadik as "this guy"?

i never heard about him before.
please forgive me

21

 Jan 01, 2009 at 03:18 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
dreikup Says:

i'm not sure if this guy is holy or not but definetly he seems to know what he's talking about. the coming days will tell if he has it straight.

Even if this guy has been "right" before, do we really want the military planning its strategic operations on the basis of his "visions"

22

 Jan 01, 2009 at 03:19 PM anonymous Says:

why is it that none of the rosh hayeshivas--have any thing to say !!!!--our manhigim!!!

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 03:12 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #18  
Anonymous Says:

By the way its a machlokes haposkim some Rabbis are say it is a problem but who cares the leaders of a country have to do what they think is good bderech hateva isreal is not a theoracy its a democracy

may not be a Theocracy, but it is nowhere near a "classic" democracy, even the USA, which is closer than Israel is Not a true democracy (U>S. is a Republic); there is no word for Israel's (messed up)political situation, where you vote for Party Lists, etc. Olmert does what he thinks is best for Olmert- nobody would accuse Olmert of being altruistic-Please get real

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 03:51 PM michal Says:

Reply to #19  
Anonymous Says:

Can the Rabbis stick to torah & not get involved in military matters or foreign affairs, they look like the aytollahs in Iran

Oh, I see, so they should just do nothing, and just sit in their beis medrash and only being concerned with themselves, while yidden are being targeted by murderers. Yeah, that makes sense. Not!!!

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 04:03 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #22  
anonymous Says:

why is it that none of the rosh hayeshivas--have any thing to say !!!!--our manhigim!!!

The Chabad Rebbe used to quote the halacha that when dealing with a border attack all must go all out ie michalel shabbos etc... because if they can take an inch they will want more. He also said that its never too late too fix a mistake of giving back land ie by taking it back, although its going to be alot harder.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 04:11 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

Which 4 Rabbi's

- Rabbi Yaakov Yosef (eldest son of former Chief Sephardic Rabbi Ovadiah Yosef)
- Rabbi Dov Lior, chief rabbi of Kiryas Arba - Chevron and member of the Supreme Rabbinical Court
- Rabbi Shalom Dov Wolpe (Chabad)
- Rabbi Meir Mazuz (Posek, Rosh Yeshiva Kisei Rachamim, member of Moetzet Chachmei HaTorah)

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 04:10 PM Anonymous Says:

maybe he knows where OSAMA IS I WOULD LOOK IN THE LAKE WOOD BETH HAMEDRASH HE WOULD BLEND RIGHT IN

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 04:06 PM booboo Says:

Rav Lau said many months ago that the IDF should flatten Gaza. The Israeli gov't is only doing now because its to the political benefit of Kadima and Bush & Obama have no power at this moment.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 04:16 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #19  
Anonymous Says:

Can the Rabbis stick to torah & not get involved in military matters or foreign affairs, they look like the aytollahs in Iran

They ARE sticking to Torah. Halacha goes beyond kashrus of Pizza...

30

 Jan 01, 2009 at 04:05 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #19  
Anonymous Says:

Can the Rabbis stick to torah & not get involved in military matters or foreign affairs, they look like the aytollahs in Iran

don't you understand that he takes the info from the Torah,
where everything is written in it.
you just need to have a pure soul like he does to see it.

31

 Jan 01, 2009 at 03:54 PM Anonymous Says:

"Bush should talk to him maybe he knows where Bin Laden is?"
First of all he could get his information form torah (ruach hakodesh) but even if he were a prophet he only knows what is relvealed to him. anyhow hashem should put in the mind of the isreali gov. to do the right thing also the soldior should put on tiffilin the lubavicher Rebbe explained that that put fear in the enemy of the Yiddin
may we merit to see moshiach speedly.

32

 Jan 01, 2009 at 04:31 PM Anonymous Says:

YOU GUYS are in dream world. I dont follow these kabbalist characters. The bones that come to America take your money like a gypsy. When Israel will stop drafting women and stop gay parades maybe G-d will listen.

33

 Jan 01, 2009 at 04:16 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #19  
Anonymous Says:

Can the Rabbis stick to torah & not get involved in military matters or foreign affairs, they look like the aytollahs in Iran

They ARE sticking to Torah. Halacha goes beyond kashrus of Pizza...

34

 Jan 01, 2009 at 04:43 PM Anonymous Says:

25 years ago my friend was paralized, he went to this rav in a wheel chair and came out walking - this is first hand info, he still walks (25 years later).

this rav is for real!!

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 06:48 PM Happy Says:

Reply to #25  
Anonymous Says:

The Chabad Rebbe used to quote the halacha that when dealing with a border attack all must go all out ie michalel shabbos etc... because if they can take an inch they will want more. He also said that its never too late too fix a mistake of giving back land ie by taking it back, although its going to be alot harder.

This Rabbi may be a holy person, but using a negative approach, telling people that these things happen as a result of their sins, is not the way to go. what attrached me to the Chabad movement was that the Chabad Rabbi had a positive approach. Instead of talking about sins, He said when you do more mitzvos, and follow the Torah's way, it will help the situation in Israel. In addition, the Chabbad Rabbi continueosly warned about these unfortuate sitiations for over 40 years. when israel negotiates with the enemy these are the results we get. furtheremore, He said that it also affects the entire worlds (hence terrorism became a global issue, it's not just
Israel's problem anymore). Many top Israeli leaders visited the Rabbi, and each and every one of them was clearly warned about these unfortuate results of negotiations with the enemy (e.g., camp David, Oslo, etc.). We should all pray that Israel's leaders will finally admit that the disengagement was a terrible mistake, which is affecting us all. Let's all realize that that every corner of Israel is a FRONT LINE for the jewish people around the world. Let's pray for them. Let's pray that the Israeli leaders will open their eyes and see that enough is enough. they shouldn't just cover the cavity with filling. it's time for a deep root canal. " and root canals are costly, but you know that it's worth it in the long run. May we merit to see moshiach, the ultimate leader of israel who will FORSURE resolve this conflict for good. amen
P.S. we will then truly enjoy a good falafel in Jerusalem, without worrying of getting grilled by a suicide bomber.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 06:22 PM kosher Says:

Response to 19. I'm not sure that I agree with the premise that rabonim should stick to torah. However I think we can all agree that they should only make declarations and form opnions when both sides of a given issue has been presented to them and they have had a chance to consult da'as torah after hearing all pertinent information. In cases involving national security issues it doesn't seem to me, that this process is followed. Rather its more of a knee-jerk conservative right-wing leaning instinct, coupled with a rolling of the eyes and advising people to pray(which is always the thing to do)....

37

 Jan 01, 2009 at 07:27 PM seen it all Says:

Reply to #27  
Anonymous Says:

maybe he knows where OSAMA IS I WOULD LOOK IN THE LAKE WOOD BETH HAMEDRASH HE WOULD BLEND RIGHT IN

How lovely, EY is engaged in a life & death battle with terrorists, yesterday was the shloshim for 6 yidden HY"D murdered by islamic terrorists, and you have nothing better to do then to shtech lakewood. I'm not a big fan of theirs, but your post was disgusting. For your own sake, say tehillim and beg Hashem to forgive you for your moment of insanity.

38

 Jan 01, 2009 at 07:22 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #19  
Anonymous Says:

Can the Rabbis stick to torah & not get involved in military matters or foreign affairs, they look like the aytollahs in Iran

Obviously, you don't understand what Torah means. Torah encompasses all aspects of life. Therefore, people steeped in Torah have as much insight into political matters as anyone else

39

 Jan 01, 2009 at 08:08 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #38  
Anonymous Says:

Obviously, you don't understand what Torah means. Torah encompasses all aspects of life. Therefore, people steeped in Torah have as much insight into political matters as anyone else

They are entitled to their "opinions" but when they start acting as fortune tellers claiming that hashem sent them a vision regarding military strategy, those opinions should be given about as much value as mine to the Generals. If they want to get of the beis medrash and involved in military matters, they should stop claiming that yeshiva bochurim should be exmept from the draft so that others can go fight the battles for them. That is the real chilul hashem.

40

 Jan 01, 2009 at 08:04 PM tochlis Says:

Reply to #29  
Anonymous Says:

They ARE sticking to Torah. Halacha goes beyond kashrus of Pizza...

Bush gave the ok and signed a bill last month to sell 1000 bunker busters to israel. And the Israelis use it now to destroy the bunkers in gaza. So what are you talking about? Bush gave an ok on this war a long time ago don't you think?

41

 Jan 01, 2009 at 10:01 PM Anonymous Says:

anyone know how to contact Rabbi Leon Levi?

42

 Jan 01, 2009 at 09:52 PM Anonymous Says:

Tomim tihyeh I'm HaShem elokecho. besides most talmidei chachomim were not against oslo or disengagement. newpaper editorials are not daas torah from talmidei chachomim just grepsen from leydigeyahs. Anyone who has any information to the contrary (and don't quote chabad-i said talmid chochom) please post them.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 09:50 PM jew in Florida Says:

I actually met Rav Leon, 25 years ago. I sat with him for a few minutes.His father, was a well learned rabbi / kabbalist. They originate from Turky. I spoke with him , and he taked a genuine interest in his fellow jews. He prays alot, and has been known to help people.

44

 Jan 01, 2009 at 11:09 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #37  
seen it all Says:

How lovely, EY is engaged in a life & death battle with terrorists, yesterday was the shloshim for 6 yidden HY"D murdered by islamic terrorists, and you have nothing better to do then to shtech lakewood. I'm not a big fan of theirs, but your post was disgusting. For your own sake, say tehillim and beg Hashem to forgive you for your moment of insanity.

Why are you taking it so personally? The quip was not meant as a shtech to lakewood per se, the poster could have used any yeshiva climate to stick Bin Laden into.
And it's true.
if bin laden changes his l'vush to any targeted Yeshivish or Chasidish group, and sits down and shuckles in front of a sefer, will anyone know the difference?

45

 Jan 01, 2009 at 11:07 PM Fortune Says:

Reply to #16  
Just thinking Says:

Rabbi Leon Levy vists the Syrian community in Brooklyn yearly and has many followers here.
He has a Yeshiva in Bnei Brak and is known for his Motze Shabat Shiur at the Kotel, which draws a nice crowd.

Rabbi Levy's son is married to a Syrian girl from Broklyn. He is a Chazan at the Safra Shul in NYC, and I saw the Rabbi at a wedding. He is the REAL TZADIK.Please listen to all his words carefully. He will guide us through these difficult times. This is only the beginning of the rough road for AM YISRAEL. Mashiach will arrive soon. Rav Levy knows this too. Prepare my brothers and sisters.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 10:41 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #32  
Anonymous Says:

YOU GUYS are in dream world. I dont follow these kabbalist characters. The bones that come to America take your money like a gypsy. When Israel will stop drafting women and stop gay parades maybe G-d will listen.

what bone and what jypsies are talking about. i dont understand what your trying to say . please explain yourself
better.


















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 Jan 02, 2009 at 03:27 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #32  
Anonymous Says:

YOU GUYS are in dream world. I dont follow these kabbalist characters. The bones that come to America take your money like a gypsy. When Israel will stop drafting women and stop gay parades maybe G-d will listen.

You don't need to believe him, but at the end of the day he is asking us to do better and to be better yidden. It doesn't matter who is saying those words. They should always be listened to.

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 03:23 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #15  
murray Says:

Re-read the article twice-one thing continues to bother me;"spoke to a gathering of students"---With news and a Message of this nature- should be speaking to the whole (Jewish) World............or is it the job of the students (and apparently VIN{thanks}) to disseminate the message? Not to poke fun, but on a certain level, (lehavdil) it is like the space traveller who comes with an important message to the People of Earth, and instead of maybe landing in D.C, and telling the President, he lands in a remote field in New Mexico, and talks to the hicks.

I don't find it the least bit strange that he was addressing a group of students. I am sure that prior to that gathering he had already informed the government. It seems from what he spoke about that his point was to encourage people to do teshuvah and other tikkunim. I think that young people such as students need to hear this more than anyone.

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 01:59 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #42  
Anonymous Says:

Tomim tihyeh I'm HaShem elokecho. besides most talmidei chachomim were not against oslo or disengagement. newpaper editorials are not daas torah from talmidei chachomim just grepsen from leydigeyahs. Anyone who has any information to the contrary (and don't quote chabad-i said talmid chochom) please post them.

Your last ignorant and disgusting remark about talmidei chacham does not deserve a reply, but I will reply just for the others reading the comments.
Don't you realize the so called talmidei chachamim you are looking up to (which to have a mchutzif talmid like you must be real mcharchei riv) which were not against oslo as you say, were totally and completelly wrong!!!
So obviously "your" -(I am stressing "your" to distinguish from real) talmidei chachamim are obviously not using daas torah because torah is emes and not wrong.
Whereas the rebbe which has not zigzaged once but rather for over 20 years went on record in a very clear way and said that compromises and giving back territory will be a sakanah for am yisrael was exactly right!!!!.
You tell me who followed the real daas torah?

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 09:01 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #40  
tochlis Says:

Bush gave the ok and signed a bill last month to sell 1000 bunker busters to israel. And the Israelis use it now to destroy the bunkers in gaza. So what are you talking about? Bush gave an ok on this war a long time ago don't you think?

More than giving an "OK"- probably told them that the window of opportunity was closing................as in Jan 20th

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 09:20 AM Anonymous Says:

i think israel is doind this now so when the hit iran they wont have to deal hamas at the same time.

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 09:16 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #49  
Anonymous Says:

Your last ignorant and disgusting remark about talmidei chacham does not deserve a reply, but I will reply just for the others reading the comments.
Don't you realize the so called talmidei chachamim you are looking up to (which to have a mchutzif talmid like you must be real mcharchei riv) which were not against oslo as you say, were totally and completelly wrong!!!
So obviously "your" -(I am stressing "your" to distinguish from real) talmidei chachamim are obviously not using daas torah because torah is emes and not wrong.
Whereas the rebbe which has not zigzaged once but rather for over 20 years went on record in a very clear way and said that compromises and giving back territory will be a sakanah for am yisrael was exactly right!!!!.
You tell me who followed the real daas torah?

Every rosh yeshiva from Rav Shach ztz"l to Rav YD Soloveitchik ztz"l held that giving away land or not is a matter to be left to those in charge of the country's security. It it would save lives, it is OK, if not, it is not OK. It is up to the generals of the IDF to decide what would be better for security and there is no issur on trading land for security if it done in a way that really enhances security, not in the way it was done by Rabin & Peres (and their frum coalition partners).

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 09:15 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #49  
Anonymous Says:

Your last ignorant and disgusting remark about talmidei chacham does not deserve a reply, but I will reply just for the others reading the comments.
Don't you realize the so called talmidei chachamim you are looking up to (which to have a mchutzif talmid like you must be real mcharchei riv) which were not against oslo as you say, were totally and completelly wrong!!!
So obviously "your" -(I am stressing "your" to distinguish from real) talmidei chachamim are obviously not using daas torah because torah is emes and not wrong.
Whereas the rebbe which has not zigzaged once but rather for over 20 years went on record in a very clear way and said that compromises and giving back territory will be a sakanah for am yisrael was exactly right!!!!.
You tell me who followed the real daas torah?

If my rebbeim are responsible for my deeds you are on a truly difficult path. The chabadsker ignoramous becomes responsible for the drugs in Crown Heights, the machlokes macher Berel Lazar and his messiros, the Avoda Zoro perpetrated in his name and lots of other stuff. And you are the chabadsker chossid. Imagine what the misnaged thinks of him.

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 09:59 AM Anonymous Says:

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Anonymous Says:

Every rosh yeshiva from Rav Shach ztz"l to Rav YD Soloveitchik ztz"l held that giving away land or not is a matter to be left to those in charge of the country's security. It it would save lives, it is OK, if not, it is not OK. It is up to the generals of the IDF to decide what would be better for security and there is no issur on trading land for security if it done in a way that really enhances security, not in the way it was done by Rabin & Peres (and their frum coalition partners).

Of course. That was the rebbes point. He has had conversations with hundreds of generals including sharon, rabin et al, and clearly heard from them this sakanah.
(Before they turned poligticians....)
So based on a halacha in hilchos shabbas that says when goyim come to your border "even if they come al iskei kash yotzim lamilchmah afilu b'shabbos.
The rebbes point was not as nationalistic in the sense that you shouldn't give an inch from israel sovereign, rather it is clear that every compromise emboldens the terroriists and brings more sakanah.
The gadlus of a gadol such as the rebbe is to see these things from daas torah ahead of time, as everything is in Torah.

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 01:26 PM Anonymous Says:

#1 Try sticking to the facts. He didn't speak to HUNDREDS of generals. You reduce the rebbe ztz"l to a myth by making such claims.

#2 The Rebbe ztz"l died over ten years ago (Eleven? Twelve?) and was out of action for the last years of his life due to a stroke. What he held twenty years ago means nothing today. The entire situation has changed.

#3 Even when he first voiced his opinion it was in disagreement with everyone from Rav Shach ztz"l to Rav Soloveitchik ztz"l.

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 Jan 03, 2009 at 10:19 PM Anonymous Says:

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Anonymous Says:

#1 Try sticking to the facts. He didn't speak to HUNDREDS of generals. You reduce the rebbe ztz"l to a myth by making such claims.

#2 The Rebbe ztz"l died over ten years ago (Eleven? Twelve?) and was out of action for the last years of his life due to a stroke. What he held twenty years ago means nothing today. The entire situation has changed.

#3 Even when he first voiced his opinion it was in disagreement with everyone from Rav Shach ztz"l to Rav Soloveitchik ztz"l.

#55
1) OK. To be precise, Hundreds of experts which include tens of generals and tens of cols. & liutenants. Tens of intelligence officers. etc. etc. (Begin, Shazar, Sharon, Netanyahu, Rabin, Shamir, are the first famous ones that come to mind. and they came in their different posisitons ie. commadners, UN reps...
With nights long of yechidus till the early hours of the morning with concern for klal yisrael. It is a davar mfursim and milse diavide ligluye and no point arguing.
2)Things changed?? doesnt seem that way to me. It looks like "been there done that" and de ja vu with Gaza.
As mentioned before the Rebbe based this on a halacha in Shulchan aruch hilchos Shabbos. That concept and scenario that the "enemy being allowed to get closer to our border" remains exactly the same. Torah doesnt change as the scenario that the halacha is based on is exactly the same.

3) Precisely its a raaya listor. Don't you see since then, the Rebbe's daas Torah, as he applied the halacha from shabbos was exactly on the mark.
So I wouldn't mention names of others that you might not have understood or for whatever reason did not have the clarity of daas Torah at the time.

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 Jan 04, 2009 at 12:57 AM Anonymous Says:

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Anonymous Says:

#55
1) OK. To be precise, Hundreds of experts which include tens of generals and tens of cols. & liutenants. Tens of intelligence officers. etc. etc. (Begin, Shazar, Sharon, Netanyahu, Rabin, Shamir, are the first famous ones that come to mind. and they came in their different posisitons ie. commadners, UN reps...
With nights long of yechidus till the early hours of the morning with concern for klal yisrael. It is a davar mfursim and milse diavide ligluye and no point arguing.
2)Things changed?? doesnt seem that way to me. It looks like "been there done that" and de ja vu with Gaza.
As mentioned before the Rebbe based this on a halacha in Shulchan aruch hilchos Shabbos. That concept and scenario that the "enemy being allowed to get closer to our border" remains exactly the same. Torah doesnt change as the scenario that the halacha is based on is exactly the same.

3) Precisely its a raaya listor. Don't you see since then, the Rebbe's daas Torah, as he applied the halacha from shabbos was exactly on the mark.
So I wouldn't mention names of others that you might not have understood or for whatever reason did not have the clarity of daas Torah at the time.

#1 A slightly less wild claim, but wild nontheless.

#2 Did you really ask what has changed in the last twenty years? Was Hamas capable of shelling Be'er Sheva twenty years ago? Was Hezbollah the defacto ruler of Lebanon twenty years ago? Had Gaza been evacuated twenty years ago? The situation has changed in too many ways to mention.

# 3 You might believe only the Rebbe ztz"l understood the matzav. I doubt you'll find many others (outside of chabad) who think so.

Either way, he and the roshai yeshivos with whom he disagreed twenty years ago are no longer alive. We have to follow the instructions of today's gedolai yisroel. Asher yoruchah.

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 Aug 15, 2014 at 02:40 PM charliehall Says:

If this charedi rabbi is so concerned, he should tell charedim to join the IDF. Otherwise, stop playing with the lives of other Jews.

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