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New York - Rabbi Yakov Horowitz: Why Avrohom Mondrowitz Must Be Extradited; "What I Would Tell the Judge"

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Avrohem Mondrovitz walking freely the streets of Jerusalem before he was arrest earlier this year by Israeli authority waiting his extradition to the USAvrohem Mondrovitz walking freely the streets of Jerusalem before he was arrest earlier this year by Israeli authority waiting his extradition to the US

New York - I do not anticipate receiving an invitation to address the Israeli judge presiding over Avrohom Mondrowitz’s extradition case. However, given the opportunity, here is what I would say:

Your Honor:

One of the great Torah sages of the 19th century famously stated that one of the main functions of a Rabbi is to advocate for and support the weakest members of his community. I respectfully suggest that our judicial system as well, has a similar mission – to provide a venue for the downtrodden individuals among us to be heard and fairly represented.

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I can think of no group of people who are more in need of rabbinic and judicial support, than child-abuse victims. For the vast majority of them were abused or neglected many, many times – first by the monsters who ravaged their innocence and cruelly stole their childhood, later inadvertently, by the adults in their lives who weren’t attuned to their silent cries for help while the abuse was taking place, and finally by those who passively or actively protected the abuser, rather than the victim, once the abuse became known.

On behalf of the hundreds of abuse victims that I have met and tried my very best to comfort and support over the years, I beg you to remove the legal barriers that stand between Avrohom Mondrowitz and his long overdue date with justice in America.

Mondrowitz cruelly abused and ruined the lives of many dozens, perhaps hundreds, of vulnerable children who came to him for counseling and support. I personally have met many of his victims, and know of at least one who committed suicide after years of a tortured existence. I know victims of his who became alcoholics, heroin and cocaine addicts, and those who are my age and unmarried – never becoming whole enough to love and be loved. My wife and I became grandparents eighteen months ago, and this evil monster robbed those victims of the joy of holding their own child.

Thankfully, I was never molested as a child. But I often think of how I could very well have been one of the kids who were ruthlessly sodomized by Mondrowitz. I lost my father before my fourth birthday, and due to my restless nature, was a very poor student in school. In short, I would have been a perfect candidate for an evil predator like Mondrowitz – who was a practicing social worker, when I was struggling in school as a teenager. Because I was spared that horrible fate, I feel all the more morally compelled to stand with his nameless, voiceless victims and advocate on their behalf.

I am far from an expert in legal matters. But, one human being to another, I plead with you to do everything in your power to see to it that his victims can finally gain a modicum of validation and support – seeing him stand before an American court of law and squarely face his crimes. This is where he committed his crimes and this is where he must face justice.

Two years ago, several months before the attempt was made to extradite Mondrowitz, I wrote a column in The Jewish Press  decrying the fact that he was permitted to live a peaceful life in Israel after the horrible crimes he committed. At that time the public at large was apathetic, as this case was under the radar of the average person on the street. Thankfully, the tide is turning and there is now a groundswell of support for his extradition. It is difficult to convey to you what a body blow it would be to the fragile emotional health of long-suffering abuse victims, to see this high-profile case fall into the win column for this monster, and the immoral people who are protecting him.

Word on the street is that there are powerful people backing Mondrowitz. Having him successfully avoid extradition will confirm that suspicion in the minds of many. It will also reinforce a horrific message – unfortunately the one that is prevalent – to the public at large and more specifically to abuse victims – that the blood of innocent children can be washed away if the molester knows the right people. Additionally, it will be a huge step backwards for those of us in the trenches, who are begging abuse victims to step forward, and assuring them that they will be taken seriously.

At the risk of overstepping my bounds, I appeal to you from the depths of my heart, not to be a party to yet another rape of his victims – and all the other abuse victims who are watching this case carefully – which offering Avrohom Mondrowitz shelter from justice would be.

Thank you for offering me the opportunity to address the court.

Rabbi Yakov Horowitz


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 Jan 01, 2009 at 02:42 PM Anonymous Says:

Very well said Rabbi Horowitz
A breath of fresh air in the frum world.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 02:41 PM Anonymous Says:

Thank you.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 02:37 PM Burach Says:

Rabbi, i have great respect for you , But i believe that you "may" be wrong on this one , and here is my reasoning

1. We as jews have halachas to follow , and hamoser yhudi byad nuchri is a issur that we need to keep in mind, when we feel that in a case like this that we can get a heter from rabonim - the question becomes , what will jail do ?

1. will jail just be punishment and revenge that the victims are seeking ?

2. is he still hurting children , if not, why jail him - is it for revenge ?
3. now that he has been outed and years have gone by , how would it help the victims to relive all they have been thru on the stand in court ? can you imagine the lawyers ripping them apart , as to how they have lived their lives untill now ?


so before we call for him to be bought back to face a trial here , lets take a breather and really think this thru .....

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 02:45 PM Gerrorist Says:

Rabbi yakkov, I'm speachless, could'nt have said it any better. did you send this letter to the supreme court in israel? if not please do so, I sent them my own letter some 2 weeks ago.
Kol Ha'kavod Rabbi,

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 02:36 PM Anonymous Says:

I think you are absolutelty right. I live in a ultra chasidish neighborhood where they are still protecting and covering up these child molesters. they want to save their family the shame. There was recently a case where a melamed had to leave his job after years of molesting kids and his wife and family still do not know about it. they only care about shame shame shame... Rabbi Horowitz can you please start a shame free program for all.. This is the #1 problem,

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 02:50 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Burach Says:

Rabbi, i have great respect for you , But i believe that you "may" be wrong on this one , and here is my reasoning

1. We as jews have halachas to follow , and hamoser yhudi byad nuchri is a issur that we need to keep in mind, when we feel that in a case like this that we can get a heter from rabonim - the question becomes , what will jail do ?

1. will jail just be punishment and revenge that the victims are seeking ?

2. is he still hurting children , if not, why jail him - is it for revenge ?
3. now that he has been outed and years have gone by , how would it help the victims to relive all they have been thru on the stand in court ? can you imagine the lawyers ripping them apart , as to how they have lived their lives untill now ?


so before we call for him to be bought back to face a trial here , lets take a breather and really think this thru .....

Lemaan Yisme'u Vyilmedu Velo Yozidu Oid. Enough of allowing our children to be korbonos

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 02:48 PM Anonymous Says:

I still don't get it. you maybe right emotionally. you are right. but the issue, according to micheal Lesher, is israeli legalities. An emotional plea is worthless in such a case.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 02:47 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Burach Says:

Rabbi, i have great respect for you , But i believe that you "may" be wrong on this one , and here is my reasoning

1. We as jews have halachas to follow , and hamoser yhudi byad nuchri is a issur that we need to keep in mind, when we feel that in a case like this that we can get a heter from rabonim - the question becomes , what will jail do ?

1. will jail just be punishment and revenge that the victims are seeking ?

2. is he still hurting children , if not, why jail him - is it for revenge ?
3. now that he has been outed and years have gone by , how would it help the victims to relive all they have been thru on the stand in court ? can you imagine the lawyers ripping them apart , as to how they have lived their lives untill now ?


so before we call for him to be bought back to face a trial here , lets take a breather and really think this thru .....

you said it man. bring him back for all the above reasons. and if it wont penetrate your head look at it this way. if i murdered your only son, ran off for 20 odd years do i have to stand trial? go ask your rebbe that.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 02:57 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

I still don't get it. you maybe right emotionally. you are right. but the issue, according to micheal Lesher, is israeli legalities. An emotional plea is worthless in such a case.

unless we are begging emotionaly that the justices not fall for the attempted bribery of folks like silbershteyn

10

 Jan 01, 2009 at 02:59 PM Anonymous Says:

leave this guy alone. twenty five yrs passed. let bygones be bygones. the chil hashem is unbelievable. everyone stop now.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 02:58 PM Anonymous Says:

Reb Yaakov,

Don't worry. There are very few fools running around like #3 and even fewer who have not figured out yet that they expose themselves as either pedophiles themselves or pedophile wannabees whenever they open their dirty mouths to protect known pedophiles under the cover of frumkiet and tzidkus.

The rest of us have figured these guys out already and are with you 101%.

Hatzlochh rabboh, Reb Yankel

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 02:58 PM mr.49er Says:

unfortunately like rabbi horowitz himself says at the beginning of the article, he'll never have the opportunity to address the judge. what a shame.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 02:56 PM Anonymous Says:

why he didn't come out with a public apology years ago or why he didn't contact his victims (those who havent commited suicide yet) to say i'm sorry is beyond comprehension. it would of saved us all this chillul hashem. perhaps it is all for the best. no we know that all the emperors (i.e. gidolim) have no clothes and havent got something else.....

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 02:56 PM Anonymous Says:

I don't agree with rabbi horowitz on much but this piece is terrific . it speaks from the heart and from the mind . I wonder though what does the halachah say regarding this . that's for sure that while his abuse of children was ongoing he had a din of rodef and one was obligated to stop him by all means even by killing him . but now that his abuse has supposdly stopped for many years is one even allowed to do hishtadlus to put him in jail for the sake of emotional healing of his victims . is this not mesirah ?

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 02:56 PM Anonymous Says:

I don't agree with rabbi horowitz on much but this piece is terrific . it speaks from the heart and from the mind . I wonder though what does the halachah say regarding this . that's for sure that while his abuse of children was ongoing he had a din of rodef and one was obligated to stop him by all means even by killing him . but now that his abuse has supposdly stopped for many years is one even allowed to do hishtadlus to put him in jail for the sake of emotional healing of his victims . is this not mesirah ?

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 02:53 PM Anonymous Says:

if anyone knows who is actively involved in protecting this minivil please put his name up here. oy lerosho oy lishcheino

17

 Jan 01, 2009 at 02:49 PM Anonymous Says:

what are reb yaakov's hours and how can i reach him.

18

 Jan 01, 2009 at 02:26 PM Anonymous Says:

well said, absolutely profound

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 03:01 PM Court Says:

Here is Israel's High Court, Public Affairs Department. Phone is 011-972-2-675-9612 and 011-972-2-675-9613. I believe their email address is: tlunotrasham@court.gov.il and the fax number is 011-972-2-651-3191.

21

 Jan 01, 2009 at 03:12 PM Anonymous Says:

Rabbi Horowitz:

This is dini nefushos and you are not entitle to pasken them. This belongs to our true gedolim and rabonim so please stay away.

Thanks

22

 Jan 01, 2009 at 02:27 PM Anonymous Says:

Didn't the kabbalist say we should have achdus even for the worst sinners?

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 03:33 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #22  
Anonymous Says:

Didn't the kabbalist say we should have achdus even for the worst sinners?

where are the roshei hayeshivos--regarding this kabbalist--and regarding this minivil-!!! why are they quiet !!!!

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 03:32 PM Gadolwannabe Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

leave this guy alone. twenty five yrs passed. let bygones be bygones. the chil hashem is unbelievable. everyone stop now.

That's right. Be more concerned about Chillul Hashem and mesiera and let the guilty get off without punishment.
You guys are living with a shtetel mentality. A shande far de goyim! Where are your human emotions of revenge, retribution and justice? Do you leave it all in Hashem's hands? My position is that this guy should be made to suffer for the rest of his life.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 03:26 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #21  
Anonymous Says:

Rabbi Horowitz:

This is dini nefushos and you are not entitle to pasken them. This belongs to our true gedolim and rabonim so please stay away.

Thanks

this is dinei nefashos. we cant have perverts calculating that they can screw kids then get away scott free. AND GIVEN THE FACT HE WAS CAUGHT LAST YEAR WITH KIDDY PORN OF CHILDREN BEING FORCED IN THIS ACT is enough for me to kill him and spare the caught the time and cost of a trial. lynch this animal and his protectors.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 03:24 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #22  
Anonymous Says:

Didn't the kabbalist say we should have achdus even for the worst sinners?

are u sick? u want achdus with this peice of tumo? achdus as in vehoiso l'ish echad perhaps? u blow me away with your stupidity. send your kids to play in his house for the sake of achdus, then call me.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 03:34 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #21  
Anonymous Says:

Rabbi Horowitz:

This is dini nefushos and you are not entitle to pasken them. This belongs to our true gedolim and rabonim so please stay away.

Thanks

Rav Elyashiv quoting the Rashba said it is a "tikkun olam" to turn molesters over to the authorities. Mondrowitz is the worst of the worst. Rabbi Avigdor Miller zt"l once called him the "Jewish Hitler". He sodomized perhaps hundreds of Jewish children and destroyed their lives. This man is a rotzeach, and yet you dare come on here and preach to Rabbi Horowitz? As a previous commenter wrote, had Mondrowitz murdered your son in this manner, would you be defending him? You are a classic chassid shoteh and if you are a rabbi, you would be termed a zaken mamreh and liable to death.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 03:42 PM M.E. Says:

Reply to #3  
Burach Says:

Rabbi, i have great respect for you , But i believe that you "may" be wrong on this one , and here is my reasoning

1. We as jews have halachas to follow , and hamoser yhudi byad nuchri is a issur that we need to keep in mind, when we feel that in a case like this that we can get a heter from rabonim - the question becomes , what will jail do ?

1. will jail just be punishment and revenge that the victims are seeking ?

2. is he still hurting children , if not, why jail him - is it for revenge ?
3. now that he has been outed and years have gone by , how would it help the victims to relive all they have been thru on the stand in court ? can you imagine the lawyers ripping them apart , as to how they have lived their lives untill now ?


so before we call for him to be bought back to face a trial here , lets take a breather and really think this thru .....

This guy should rot in jail so the next guy won't think he can get away with it.

Using your logic if Osama Bib Ladin promises and does indeed not kill anyone else should he not be punished for the thousands of people he killed before?

29

 Jan 01, 2009 at 03:41 PM Anonymous Says:

where ARE the selfproclaimed gedolim on the issue? If they think that mondrowitz deserves mercy let them put out a kol koire. Hmmmmm who is treif Lipa or Mondrowitz....or is it the bugs in the water. we have to consult penetration pinny on this one.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 03:42 PM Anonymous Says:

rabbi horowitz how many dayunim from the sanhedrin had to agree on a death sentence?

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 03:40 PM SHMIEL GLASSMAN Says:

REB YANKEL,
your letter is passionate & weel written, IS IT THE CORRECT TORAH RESPOSE?
There are 2 distinct issues here
1. safegaurding our children is priority #1
2. healing the victims emotionaly
i'm too young to know mondrowitz
my question is assuming "mondrowitz " is in israeli jail or assume clinicly he is NOT a threat at this time
what does the Torah allow you to do to a perpetrator to heal your emotional wounds ?
isnt that the key question?
id humbly suggest you show your letter to a godol that has the "plaitzus" & clinical knowledge (rav shmuel kaminetski shlita or rav matisyahu shlita)
then again you may have !

32

 Jan 01, 2009 at 03:45 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #24  
Gadolwannabe Says:

That's right. Be more concerned about Chillul Hashem and mesiera and let the guilty get off without punishment.
You guys are living with a shtetel mentality. A shande far de goyim! Where are your human emotions of revenge, retribution and justice? Do you leave it all in Hashem's hands? My position is that this guy should be made to suffer for the rest of his life.

well do you believe in hashem???
since when do believing jews take REVENGE!

33

 Jan 01, 2009 at 03:50 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #16  
Anonymous Says:

if anyone knows who is actively involved in protecting this minivil please put his name up here. oy lerosho oy lishcheino

Its the gerer dynasty and there selected bullvanes.

34

 Jan 01, 2009 at 04:03 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #30  
Anonymous Says:

rabbi horowitz how many dayunim from the sanhedrin had to agree on a death sentence?

Are you sure you need a Sanhedrin of 71? I thought a court of 12 was sufficient for capital offenses? Though, I'm sure if I know he would know it would necessarily be less than the full number of jurists deciding the case, in answer to your question.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 04:02 PM HALACHA Says:

I respect you very much Rabbi Horowitz for your opinions as an expert ....but when it comes to halacha i would like too see the opinion of the rabunim whom i ask all other choshen mishpot shalos ......

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 04:01 PM ML Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

leave this guy alone. twenty five yrs passed. let bygones be bygones. the chil hashem is unbelievable. everyone stop now.

To #3 and #10: The Chillel Hashem started when this chazer forced himself on these boys twenty five years ago. He was caught with kiddie porn on his computer 25 years later. So don't tell me that this man changed and that he's doesn't have the din of a rodef!!

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 04:00 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #21  
Anonymous Says:

Rabbi Horowitz:

This is dini nefushos and you are not entitle to pasken them. This belongs to our true gedolim and rabonim so please stay away.

Thanks

y ou want gedolim? we only have ketanim when it comes to this particular issue. u want /abbonim? gives us some of the rabbonim you think we should approach and we will follow through and let u know what they say. give us your address so we can send you the results

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 03:59 PM esther Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

leave this guy alone. twenty five yrs passed. let bygones be bygones. the chil hashem is unbelievable. everyone stop now.

you don't think leaving him alone is a tremendous c"h?how do you think it looks to yidden who are not "ultra ortodox that segments of our community continously cover up for these behaimas.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 03:58 PM Yakov Horowitz; Monsey NY Says:

For those concerned with the 'mesira' factor ....

Let's be clear about this. We are not proposing sending him to jail in Iraq or the former Soviet Union where he will be tortured. We are talking about him standing before a fair, American court, where he can be represented by a lawyer (and I'm sure people will start collecting for his "pidyon shevuim" if it ever gets to court.)

Don't his victims deserve at least the opportunity to see some form of justice meted out to him?

40

 Jan 01, 2009 at 03:56 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #17  
Anonymous Says:

what are reb yaakov's hours and how can i reach him.



You can reach Rabbi Horowitz through the following phone numbers.

Yeshiva Darchei Noam
4 Widman Court
Spring Valley, NY 10977
845-352-7100 ext 100

Project YES
1404 Coney Island Avenue
Brooklyn, NY 11230
718-758-3131

The Center For Jewish Family Life
56 Briarcliff Drive
Monsey, NY 10952

You can also check out his website:
www.rabbihorowitz.com

bracha v'hatzlacha!
may we only hear good news!

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 04:14 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Burach Says:

Rabbi, i have great respect for you , But i believe that you "may" be wrong on this one , and here is my reasoning

1. We as jews have halachas to follow , and hamoser yhudi byad nuchri is a issur that we need to keep in mind, when we feel that in a case like this that we can get a heter from rabonim - the question becomes , what will jail do ?

1. will jail just be punishment and revenge that the victims are seeking ?

2. is he still hurting children , if not, why jail him - is it for revenge ?
3. now that he has been outed and years have gone by , how would it help the victims to relive all they have been thru on the stand in court ? can you imagine the lawyers ripping them apart , as to how they have lived their lives untill now ?


so before we call for him to be bought back to face a trial here , lets take a breather and really think this thru .....

I assume that u or none of ur loved ones were molested ..but speak to someone who was molested and than u could post ur deroshes...

42

 Jan 01, 2009 at 04:13 PM Anonymous Says:

To Rav Horowitz: You are the Gadol of our dor!

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 03:55 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #32  
Anonymous Says:

well do you believe in hashem???
since when do believing jews take REVENGE!

did the torah not condone the action of a goial hadom?

ever heard of arba misis bais din?

so can i rape your child and scream at you that you are not yiddish for seeking justice?

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 03:48 PM Anonymous Says:

Avremil, you had 25 years to right the wrongs you commited against defenseless children who turned to you for healing. Now your coming back to the us of a. let your old buddies from 51st street gerrer shtible bring you kosher food in rikers while you await your painful fate at the hands of big papa jackson in the shower room. come home avremil, we miss you. been waitin a quarter of a century to see you on your knees begging for your life and being ignored. you ignored the whimpiring of your victims imploring you to stop, you messed up scores of innocent kids, jewish and not. now its time for an eye for an eye and a bleep for a bleep. if ever there was a need for a necessary evil it is this. Come home Herr Doktor Avremil, your ship has come in. your victims have grown up and the fear and trauma has matured into anger and a need for justice.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 03:44 PM Victim of Herr Dokter Mondrowitz Says:

Reply to #21  
Anonymous Says:

Rabbi Horowitz:

This is dini nefushos and you are not entitle to pasken them. This belongs to our true gedolim and rabonim so please stay away.

Thanks

Who are the true "Gedoilim"???
The senile rav of ger, Rav meir (voves) zilberstein of ger? the same one that i spoke to when I found out he wants to have mondrowitz released from prison to house arrest in the rav's house, and his response to me was "Get Over IT" ... are you kidding me? after what this "Dokter Mengela" did to me, and all this rav can think of was HERR DOKTER'S almost 100 year old father that will die of agmas nefesh!! Shame on you!! how about the hundreds of kids who have died at his alter, the second this filthy pig put his chazer fees on them, thats who the rav should have worried for.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 03:43 PM Anonymous Says:

Avrohom Ovinu begged Hashem to save Sidome who were alot worse than these guys. When did jews become prosequters?

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 03:47 PM DizzyIzzy Says:

Reply to #14  
Anonymous Says:

I don't agree with rabbi horowitz on much but this piece is terrific . it speaks from the heart and from the mind . I wonder though what does the halachah say regarding this . that's for sure that while his abuse of children was ongoing he had a din of rodef and one was obligated to stop him by all means even by killing him . but now that his abuse has supposdly stopped for many years is one even allowed to do hishtadlus to put him in jail for the sake of emotional healing of his victims . is this not mesirah ?

How dare you, you phony waste of yeshiva tuition!!

You're not wondering about what halachah says. If you were, you'd call your local Orthodox rabbi.

No. You're trying to create doubt about Rabbi Horowitz's Halachic credibility by publicly polluting the matter with your cowardly, talmudic thumb-twisting.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 04:31 PM no reason to be silent anymore, enough is enough!!! Says:

Reply to #41  
Anonymous Says:

I assume that u or none of ur loved ones were molested ..but speak to someone who was molested and than u could post ur deroshes...

yes, y dont u speak to someone that has been molested, then all those that are so against them being being jailed will most def. have a different attitude.

my husband was molested as a teenager by one of his "rebbes" u have no idea how this has affected him and myself years and years later, the nightmares that still come up so very often, the depression that can just pop up, the anger...........it is something that will NEVER EVER go away, it will be with him for the rest of his life!!

so all u ignorant people who think it goes away with time think again, and to see this "rebbe" walking the streets without shame while his rabbi backs him again again is shameful beyond words.
so dont judge anyone if u or a loved one has not been molested

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 04:26 PM Yakov Horowitz; Monsey NY Says:

#17: I'm sorry, but I did not see your request when I posted my comment.

I designated an hour each evening where I can be directly reached without any barriers. (The numbers listed in #40 are all correct, but the people manning the phones there will give you this information)

The number is 845-825-6600; hours are posted on my website here.

http://www.rabbihorowitz.com/PYes/ArticleDetails.cfm?Book_ID=1096&ThisGroup_ID=271&Type=Article&SID=2

I ask you to please read the "Answers About Questions" column (you can find it using the link above) before you call. It allows me to help you much better.

I look forward to speaking with you and assisting you any way can.

Yakov

PS I a finding this system of taking calls from people very effective. (and I get lots of calls from VIN readers:)

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 04:24 PM kugelman Says:

You are directly on target!

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 04:32 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #34  
Anonymous Says:

Are you sure you need a Sanhedrin of 71? I thought a court of 12 was sufficient for capital offenses? Though, I'm sure if I know he would know it would necessarily be less than the full number of jurists deciding the case, in answer to your question.

We don't wait for a senhedrin or even a bais din of three to kill a rodaif.

One who does so is a chosid shoiteh.

Or in this case, a Gerrer chosid shoiteh.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 04:32 PM Yakov Horowitz; Monsey NY Says:

One more point:

We find that the Torah made allowances for 1) a relative of a murdered person 2) when the killing was accidental to kill the murderer if he did not take things seriously and go to galus.

How about the murdered person HIMSELF (trust me, sodomizing an innocent child is as close to murder as you can get.) getting justice from one who did it B'MAYZID (on purpose)???

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 04:35 PM glatekup Says:

I am sure that reb yaakov horowitz has consulted with rabbonim before he prepared this letter. He has "siyata dishmaya" and hopefully here too. This letter should be sent to the gerrer rebbe and his chassidim who are using all the influence they have in order to stop the extradition. It will not help, but at least we can say"yadainu lo shofoch hadam hazeh". I would love to face this monster in court. No court room would be big enough for this case.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 04:55 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #46  
Anonymous Says:

Avrohom Ovinu begged Hashem to save Sidome who were alot worse than these guys. When did jews become prosequters?

Yes, this is worse than Sodom. This monster is a threat to all Jewish children. You don't understand this pathological illness. He must be locked up for the rest of his life.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 05:20 PM a jewish mother Says:

Reply to #52  
Yakov Horowitz; Monsey NY Says:

One more point:

We find that the Torah made allowances for 1) a relative of a murdered person 2) when the killing was accidental to kill the murderer if he did not take things seriously and go to galus.

How about the murdered person HIMSELF (trust me, sodomizing an innocent child is as close to murder as you can get.) getting justice from one who did it B'MAYZID (on purpose)???

Rabbi Horowitz Iknow you know but apparently there are alot of shoitas out there-the devestatin to the victims is immeasurable .My husband works works at a frum drug rehab and many of the clients were molested by "frum people".What will it take for us all to deal with this and stop burying our collective head in the sand?

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 05:03 PM roses Says:

Reply to #17  
Anonymous Says:

what are reb yaakov's hours and how can i reach him.

I checked the website for you. Here is how to reach him: Hatzlachah

Yeshiva Darchei Noam
4 Widman Court
Spring Valley, NY 10977
845-352-7100 ext 100

Project YES
1404 Coney Island Avenue
Brooklyn, NY 11230
718-758-3131

The Center For Jewish Family Life
56 Briarcliff Drive
Monsey, NY 10952

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 05:03 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #46  
Anonymous Says:

Avrohom Ovinu begged Hashem to save Sidome who were alot worse than these guys. When did jews become prosequters?

OK, let's not prosecute anyone. Let's let all criminals out of jail. After all, there are almost no criminals in jail who are worse than the people in Sdom.
And by the way, let's do the same with Nazi war criminals. Where were you when the Nazis were tried in Nuremberg and then hung . You should have begged that they also be released. And what about the Nazi war crimnals who are still being sought? Leave them alone. After all, they are very old and it has been more than 63 years since they committed their crimes.

OK, I'll stop the sarcasm. The problem with this comment is that the blogger is an AM HA'ARETZ. He has no understanding whatsoever as to what Avrohom Ovinmu's plea about Sdom was all about. Do some learning, look at the Meforshim and maybe you'll learn something and then you could make intelligent comments.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 05:59 PM Anonymous Says:

rabbi horowitz you are naive and I don't think you should do deeni nfushos... us system vs. iraqi are system is courupt polard yochiach... do I need to say more???

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 05:57 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #57  
Anonymous Says:

OK, let's not prosecute anyone. Let's let all criminals out of jail. After all, there are almost no criminals in jail who are worse than the people in Sdom.
And by the way, let's do the same with Nazi war criminals. Where were you when the Nazis were tried in Nuremberg and then hung . You should have begged that they also be released. And what about the Nazi war crimnals who are still being sought? Leave them alone. After all, they are very old and it has been more than 63 years since they committed their crimes.

OK, I'll stop the sarcasm. The problem with this comment is that the blogger is an AM HA'ARETZ. He has no understanding whatsoever as to what Avrohom Ovinmu's plea about Sdom was all about. Do some learning, look at the Meforshim and maybe you'll learn something and then you could make intelligent comments.

Exactly. anyone care to ask his grandparents to get over the holocaust. If you are looking for a true godol b'yisroel to ask regarding this minuval call barakat the new mayor of yerushalayim. roundly endorsed by ger inc

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 06:51 PM Anonymous Says:

Here are my thoughts:

Mondrowitz, and anyone else who is accused of such a heinous, disgusting, and terroristic crime should face the courts and meet the consequences that are their due. But we need to examine why.

Revenge – nope. The Torah is specific about the issur of lo sikom. We do not have that option.

Therapeutic benefit for the victim – not this either. Mental health professionals are nearly unanimous in the opinion that the molester’s imprisonment or even death penalty (if there is one) does not result in the victim faring better. The trauma that was suffered remains regardless of the molester’s address or life status.

Prevention of further offenses – yes. There is nothing as reliable as prison to keep molesters away from our children. And there is no guarantee that any treatment, teshuvah, or ‘spiritual growth” can safely protect future victims. Offenders repeat their offenses, especially where they lack the value systems that keep them from violating others’ privacy. Offenders repeat offenses, especially where the problem is of an addictive nature. The alcoholic with 25 years of sobriety still has no business risking entering a bar.

Deterrent – this is debatable. Will locking up Mondrowitz stop another molester from continuing his escapades, all the while believing that he can avoid getting caught? Good question, and I do not give this deterrent issue much faith.

Breaking the system – yes. We must absolutely crush the system that allows every Rav and politically connected askan the ability to protect criminals by taking responsibility for them. It is great to have people with connections, but the level to which this is abused is worthy of mention in the Guiness Book of World records.

Setting a precedent – yes. It is high time that we get to observe crime meet its consequence. We all need to observe the process and learn how to use the “system” that can work. This is not chilul Hashem any more. It is now Kiddush Hashem. We are recognizing that there are those among us who deserve negative consequences, and we are allowing justice to happen. We need to be consistent in holding ourselves responsible for ill behavior just as we expect others to be held responsible for theirs.

Perhaps if we excluded the rhetoric in the comments, as Rabbi Horowitz did so well in his letter/article, we could keep the focus on those aspects of the issue that are important.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 06:49 PM awsome person Says:

Reply to #44  
Anonymous Says:

Avremil, you had 25 years to right the wrongs you commited against defenseless children who turned to you for healing. Now your coming back to the us of a. let your old buddies from 51st street gerrer shtible bring you kosher food in rikers while you await your painful fate at the hands of big papa jackson in the shower room. come home avremil, we miss you. been waitin a quarter of a century to see you on your knees begging for your life and being ignored. you ignored the whimpiring of your victims imploring you to stop, you messed up scores of innocent kids, jewish and not. now its time for an eye for an eye and a bleep for a bleep. if ever there was a need for a necessary evil it is this. Come home Herr Doktor Avremil, your ship has come in. your victims have grown up and the fear and trauma has matured into anger and a need for justice.

you are 100% rite, i can not agree with you more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 06:48 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #27  
Anonymous Says:

Rav Elyashiv quoting the Rashba said it is a "tikkun olam" to turn molesters over to the authorities. Mondrowitz is the worst of the worst. Rabbi Avigdor Miller zt"l once called him the "Jewish Hitler". He sodomized perhaps hundreds of Jewish children and destroyed their lives. This man is a rotzeach, and yet you dare come on here and preach to Rabbi Horowitz? As a previous commenter wrote, had Mondrowitz murdered your son in this manner, would you be defending him? You are a classic chassid shoteh and if you are a rabbi, you would be termed a zaken mamreh and liable to death.

Well said.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 06:48 PM Cheskel Says:

Reply to #3  
Burach Says:

Rabbi, i have great respect for you , But i believe that you "may" be wrong on this one , and here is my reasoning

1. We as jews have halachas to follow , and hamoser yhudi byad nuchri is a issur that we need to keep in mind, when we feel that in a case like this that we can get a heter from rabonim - the question becomes , what will jail do ?

1. will jail just be punishment and revenge that the victims are seeking ?

2. is he still hurting children , if not, why jail him - is it for revenge ?
3. now that he has been outed and years have gone by , how would it help the victims to relive all they have been thru on the stand in court ? can you imagine the lawyers ripping them apart , as to how they have lived their lives untill now ?


so before we call for him to be bought back to face a trial here , lets take a breather and really think this thru .....


You HIT the nail on the head and you seem to be the most level headed commentator of all. It is straight to the point.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 07:02 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Burach Says:

Rabbi, i have great respect for you , But i believe that you "may" be wrong on this one , and here is my reasoning

1. We as jews have halachas to follow , and hamoser yhudi byad nuchri is a issur that we need to keep in mind, when we feel that in a case like this that we can get a heter from rabonim - the question becomes , what will jail do ?

1. will jail just be punishment and revenge that the victims are seeking ?

2. is he still hurting children , if not, why jail him - is it for revenge ?
3. now that he has been outed and years have gone by , how would it help the victims to relive all they have been thru on the stand in court ? can you imagine the lawyers ripping them apart , as to how they have lived their lives untill now ?


so before we call for him to be bought back to face a trial here , lets take a breather and really think this thru .....

You sound like an apikores. Ounishing someone has nothing to do with revenge. There are laws. There are halochos which as a jew you must obey wether you like it or not.

There are procedures on how to deal with these issues. there are many halochos which I will not go into since I am not the vebbeh rebbeh.


Like others have stated many times in the past, if you love these rapist, molestors and all the other ilk and evils that lie amongst our neighborhoods how about inviting them into your own home and when they rape your daughter or molest one of your children then come back to this blog and lets see if you still have the same opinion. Rachmanus is a great middah but not when someone has hurt HUNDREDS of people. Mondrowitz is one of the worst monsters and was even talked about on Americas most wanted. In order to even get on the show "Americas most wanted" you have to be one big low life and the crimes have to be proven to even be mentioned on the show.

Mondrowitz is a monster from what victims have described on radio, internet and other talk shows that talked about the monster.

What does it take for you to just admit that some people belong behind bars for life?

And what is this stupidity that you always mention that it has been 20 years or so since the crimes were commited so therfore you give up on getting the monster?

According to your warped logic we should not go after nazis since it's 60 years. Oh, lets just give up on getting criminals?

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 06:42 PM cool person Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

leave this guy alone. twenty five yrs passed. let bygones be bygones. the chil hashem is unbelievable. everyone stop now.

do the crime, pay the time

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 06:42 PM Anonymous Says:

Rabbi Horowitz has long been an advocate and a true help for children with emotional needs. Unlike Mondrowitz who preyed on these children when ever he could. This has been said many times. If your son was murdered by Mondrowitz, would you forget? This is emotional murder. This isn't hearsay evidence. The molested will come forward. If prosecuting a Yid is a chilul hashem, then we should protest against Madoffs prosecution too.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 06:39 PM Anonymous Says:

My reply to Burach.

Burach Says:
Rabbi, i have great respect for you, But I believe that you "may" be wrong on this one , and here is my reasoning
1. We as jews have halachas to follow , and hamoser yhudi byad nuchri is a issur that we need to keep in mind, when we feel that in a case like this that we can get a heter from rabonim - the question becomes , what will jail do ?

Response:
a) Halacha??!! That is what is meant being a “רשע ברשות התורה”. When the “תנאים and אמוראים were to live today, they would’ve given him “מכות מרדות” and would’ve made sure “"שתצא נפשו, and “THAT” would have been the הלכה.
b) Jail would give him a minute taste of what he did to all those children.

Burach Says:
1. Will jail just be punishment and revenge that the victims are seeking?

Response:
Let me repeat: Jail would give him a small taste of what he did to all those children, and It will also help the victims psychologically knowing that their abuser has gotten some punishment.

Burach Says:
2. is he still hurting children, if not, why jail him - is it for revenge?

Response:
I already addressed the issue of jail, and it doesn’t make a difference if he is still hurting children; it’s about what he did before.

Burach Says:
3. Now that he has been ousted and years have gone by, how would it help the victims to relive all they have been thru on the stand in court? Can you imagine the lawyers ripping them apart, as to how they have lived their lives until now?

Response:
That will be upon the victims to decide.

Burach Says:
So before we call for him to be bought back to face a trial here, let’s take a breather and really think this thru .....

Response:
And what I think is, that misguided רחמנות is אכזריות, and having any mercy on this man is the biggest cruelty.

And to all those you yell, חילול השם!, let me remind them, that the biggest חילול השם is when other Jews see that nothing was done, and nothing is being done to a child “killer”. Yes, he is a child killer. And if this would’ve happened to your child, your tone would’ve been different.

And for those who yell, אברהם אבינו! He was מתפלל for סדום even thou they were רשעים! I can only say: please check your facts. He was only מתפלל, because maybe there were some צדיקים, and he was concerned האף תספה צדיק עם רשע.

רחמנות is a nice trait, but let’s keep it in perspective.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 06:35 PM glatekup Says:

Reply to #59  
Anonymous Says:

Exactly. anyone care to ask his grandparents to get over the holocaust. If you are looking for a true godol b'yisroel to ask regarding this minuval call barakat the new mayor of yerushalayim. roundly endorsed by ger inc

It is not really the rebbe's doing. Litzman is to blame for that(at least that is what the rebbe claims). A bunch of BULVANS.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 06:32 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #58  
Anonymous Says:

rabbi horowitz you are naive and I don't think you should do deeni nfushos... us system vs. iraqi are system is courupt polard yochiach... do I need to say more???

The Jewish Lew is: when someone is a danger for the neighborhood we "have to give him over the court of the GENTILES" (taashbatz book #2 chapter 26.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 06:29 PM Anonymous Says:

Pinchos needed 'permission' first? What about Shimon and Levy? Where is your Torah?

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 06:27 PM The Truth Says:

Reply to #23  
Anonymous Says:

where are the roshei hayeshivos--regarding this kabbalist--and regarding this minivil-!!! why are they quiet !!!!

The Roshei Yeshivos are quiet because they are NOT suppose to get involved in community matters, they are to lead the Yeshivos. The Gedolim (not that I know who they are anymore) are the ones who are suppose to lead the community / Klal Yisroel, along with the poskim who are qualified for paskening. It is not for me to say which classification Rabbi Horowitz falls into, but he would get my vote.
This (and all the other) molester should be brought to justice. 25 years means nothing without justice / teshuva.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 06:23 PM Anonymous Says:

BS"D

If the bulvonim from the self appointed mishmeres hatznius in Y-m,. Beitar and Ramat Beit Shimush Beis would meet this Mondrodreck in the alley behind some mikveh, they'd be doing a great service and it would be a kappore for their harassment of innocent people. They could bring along a few bottles of acid, gasoline, and a lighter.

One can but hope...

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 06:19 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
Anonymous Says:

Lemaan Yisme'u Vyilmedu Velo Yozidu Oid. Enough of allowing our children to be korbonos

Wrong! That's not the point: we have to stick to the issue, everybody agrees that if someone is a RODEF than we have to stop them with all means, and it's not MESIRAH, but the question in this case is if he is still a dang for the security?!

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 07:07 PM seicheldig geredt Says:

Rabbi Horowitz, I commend you for your Seichel Hayushor the way you approach all your topics in general and in partcular this topic of child molestation, this should be a lesson to all trumpet type of so called askunim with hotlines, publication and other FEIFERS. This is a topic that some K'NOCKERS took too graphical and at the same time used it to bash the Rabbonim. I am convinced that if you walk in to any Rav with your approach on this subject they will all be ready to work with you, no one wants to work with askonim that use this topic for publicity and to get people that get their un- tzniusdige' sippuk from this Inyun.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 07:38 PM bambu4642 Says:

Reply to #61  
awsome person Says:

you are 100% rite, i can not agree with you more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I love you. Finally, someone tells it like it is

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 07:19 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Burach Says:

Rabbi, i have great respect for you , But i believe that you "may" be wrong on this one , and here is my reasoning

1. We as jews have halachas to follow , and hamoser yhudi byad nuchri is a issur that we need to keep in mind, when we feel that in a case like this that we can get a heter from rabonim - the question becomes , what will jail do ?

1. will jail just be punishment and revenge that the victims are seeking ?

2. is he still hurting children , if not, why jail him - is it for revenge ?
3. now that he has been outed and years have gone by , how would it help the victims to relive all they have been thru on the stand in court ? can you imagine the lawyers ripping them apart , as to how they have lived their lives untill now ?


so before we call for him to be bought back to face a trial here , lets take a breather and really think this thru .....

It may and should prevent other MONSTER to do that. And they should be protected by their fellow jews. The ones that need to be protected are our precious and innocent kids.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 07:16 PM David Says:

Reply to #39  
Yakov Horowitz; Monsey NY Says:

For those concerned with the 'mesira' factor ....

Let's be clear about this. We are not proposing sending him to jail in Iraq or the former Soviet Union where he will be tortured. We are talking about him standing before a fair, American court, where he can be represented by a lawyer (and I'm sure people will start collecting for his "pidyon shevuim" if it ever gets to court.)

Don't his victims deserve at least the opportunity to see some form of justice meted out to him?

Rabbi Horowitz,
We are not questioning youre feeling. as a matter of fact we all feel the same about this menivil.
But remember, Klal Yisroel has a Torah, and just about always, " Das Torah, is not Das Bal Habayis"
So the question still stands, did you consult a das Torah on your very good and honorable arguement ???
Remember ? Loi Sikoim ! Veloi Sitor !!

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 07:53 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #21  
Anonymous Says:

Rabbi Horowitz:

This is dini nefushos and you are not entitle to pasken them. This belongs to our true gedolim and rabonim so please stay away.

Thanks

R Horowitz,
I very much respect your mehalach in life and what you are trying to achieve. That being said you are not a posik. Emotionally I agree with you 100 precent. I would even say to kill him in the most painful way possible. Unfortunatly this is not up to us. It is a pure halachic question.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 07:52 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #77  
David Says:

Rabbi Horowitz,
We are not questioning youre feeling. as a matter of fact we all feel the same about this menivil.
But remember, Klal Yisroel has a Torah, and just about always, " Das Torah, is not Das Bal Habayis"
So the question still stands, did you consult a das Torah on your very good and honorable arguement ???
Remember ? Loi Sikoim ! Veloi Sitor !!

David,

Is Rav Elyashiv a big enough Gadol B'Torah for you? Is the Rashba? Where's the shayla????

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 08:23 PM Common ¢ Says:

Reply to #79  
Anonymous Says:

David,

Is Rav Elyashiv a big enough Gadol B'Torah for you? Is the Rashba? Where's the shayla????

Dass Torah?? What exactly is it, and who has it? Are you to decide who has Das Torah? If I’ll tell you I know of Rabonim who don’t want to come out in the open and agree with R’ Horowitz because they will not be listened to anyway, would you accept it as Das Torah, or you would give me excuses for why it’s not Das Torah?
Now to my point:
WHEN THE TORAH SAYS THAT MISHKAV ZOCHOR IS PUNISHABLE BY DEATH, IS THAT CONSIDERED DAS TORAH????? OR DO WE NEED SOMEONE WITH A LONG WHITE BEARD AND A KAFTAN, OR STROKOS??

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 08:08 PM Eli Says:

I was one of the many Mondrowitz victims.I am Married with Children.Most of the readers do not understand the pain,anger,and lack of trust that I grew up with due to my molestation.I am sure it has to do with the fact that I am A sex & crack addict.No amount of punishment in this world would be enough for the damage this man caused.But we are not here to punish people it is not our job.We are here and obligated to protect our children.If anyone protects A child molestor in our midst he is just as guilty.There is no shame in being molested.we were innocent kids that were robbed of a innocent life.Its about time we blow this open in our community so we can stop this ugly perpetual cycle.May hashem bring the gulah & healing to all of us.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 08:52 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #60  
Anonymous Says:

Here are my thoughts:

Mondrowitz, and anyone else who is accused of such a heinous, disgusting, and terroristic crime should face the courts and meet the consequences that are their due. But we need to examine why.

Revenge – nope. The Torah is specific about the issur of lo sikom. We do not have that option.

Therapeutic benefit for the victim – not this either. Mental health professionals are nearly unanimous in the opinion that the molester’s imprisonment or even death penalty (if there is one) does not result in the victim faring better. The trauma that was suffered remains regardless of the molester’s address or life status.

Prevention of further offenses – yes. There is nothing as reliable as prison to keep molesters away from our children. And there is no guarantee that any treatment, teshuvah, or ‘spiritual growth” can safely protect future victims. Offenders repeat their offenses, especially where they lack the value systems that keep them from violating others’ privacy. Offenders repeat offenses, especially where the problem is of an addictive nature. The alcoholic with 25 years of sobriety still has no business risking entering a bar.

Deterrent – this is debatable. Will locking up Mondrowitz stop another molester from continuing his escapades, all the while believing that he can avoid getting caught? Good question, and I do not give this deterrent issue much faith.

Breaking the system – yes. We must absolutely crush the system that allows every Rav and politically connected askan the ability to protect criminals by taking responsibility for them. It is great to have people with connections, but the level to which this is abused is worthy of mention in the Guiness Book of World records.

Setting a precedent – yes. It is high time that we get to observe crime meet its consequence. We all need to observe the process and learn how to use the “system” that can work. This is not chilul Hashem any more. It is now Kiddush Hashem. We are recognizing that there are those among us who deserve negative consequences, and we are allowing justice to happen. We need to be consistent in holding ourselves responsible for ill behavior just as we expect others to be held responsible for theirs.

Perhaps if we excluded the rhetoric in the comments, as Rabbi Horowitz did so well in his letter/article, we could keep the focus on those aspects of the issue that are important.

#60
You say: Perhaps if we excluded the rhetoric in the comments......
Unfortunately, some people write ignorant comments, and make our torah look like a haven for child molesters, by pointing out that we are not being permitted to do anything because the GEDOLIM (?) aren’t doing anything. This evokes that kind of response by normal people. This is the way normal people converse; that sometimes they are sarcastic. Don’t for a moment believe that by conversing in only a delicate fashion that you will change opinions. Some people never change what they believed when they were kids; I would say most are like that. So maybe some sarcastic response will help them jolt out of their coma.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 08:48 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #32  
Anonymous Says:

well do you believe in hashem???
since when do believing jews take REVENGE!

Do you say Sh'foich Chamoscho on Pesach?

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 09:03 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #77  
David Says:

Rabbi Horowitz,
We are not questioning youre feeling. as a matter of fact we all feel the same about this menivil.
But remember, Klal Yisroel has a Torah, and just about always, " Das Torah, is not Das Bal Habayis"
So the question still stands, did you consult a das Torah on your very good and honorable arguement ???
Remember ? Loi Sikoim ! Veloi Sitor !!

Loi Tirtzach!

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 08:47 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #30  
Anonymous Says:

rabbi horowitz how many dayunim from the sanhedrin had to agree on a death sentence?

Good question. Did Mondorwitz ask a Shailah before he molested the boys?

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 08:43 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #81  
Eli Says:

I was one of the many Mondrowitz victims.I am Married with Children.Most of the readers do not understand the pain,anger,and lack of trust that I grew up with due to my molestation.I am sure it has to do with the fact that I am A sex & crack addict.No amount of punishment in this world would be enough for the damage this man caused.But we are not here to punish people it is not our job.We are here and obligated to protect our children.If anyone protects A child molestor in our midst he is just as guilty.There is no shame in being molested.we were innocent kids that were robbed of a innocent life.Its about time we blow this open in our community so we can stop this ugly perpetual cycle.May hashem bring the gulah & healing to all of us.

Eli,

May Hashem give you the strength to preservere and overcome. Like you said, only someone who has been victimized by a child molester, knows what you're going through. Chazak Veematz!

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 08:43 PM bigwheeel Says:

Reply to #3  
Burach Says:

Rabbi, i have great respect for you , But i believe that you "may" be wrong on this one , and here is my reasoning

1. We as jews have halachas to follow , and hamoser yhudi byad nuchri is a issur that we need to keep in mind, when we feel that in a case like this that we can get a heter from rabonim - the question becomes , what will jail do ?

1. will jail just be punishment and revenge that the victims are seeking ?

2. is he still hurting children , if not, why jail him - is it for revenge ?
3. now that he has been outed and years have gone by , how would it help the victims to relive all they have been thru on the stand in court ? can you imagine the lawyers ripping them apart , as to how they have lived their lives untill now ?


so before we call for him to be bought back to face a trial here , lets take a breather and really think this thru .....

...He has a din of "Rodef". (Haymish geredt. Er hot a din fin a roydef!!!) What about all the lives that he ruined! Mm"n. (No matter how, from what angle you approach this question) Is he sick, let him come back here and get treatment. (not before his crimes are enumerated in open Court. At least his victims can have closure! Besides, it's been proven,statistically, that --- offenders have an extremely (almost 100%) high rate of recidivism!!!

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 09:16 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #84  
Anonymous Says:

Loi Tirtzach!

Loi Saamod Al Dam Reecha

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 08:32 PM Common ¢ Says:

Reply to #21  
Anonymous Says:

Rabbi Horowitz:

This is dini nefushos and you are not entitle to pasken them. This belongs to our true gedolim and rabonim so please stay away.

Thanks

WHAT NONSENSE!
Why is it permitted to “rodef a mosur”? Because he handed a Jew to the goyim who will sodomize him or kill him, right?
Then this is exactly what Mandarovitz did!!!!!!!! So why aren’t we permitted to “rodef” him???

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 09:16 PM Professional Says:

The poignant comments by "Eli" (number 81) should leave us all speechless.
When predators sexually molest children, the damage is often lifelong. Those of us who have evaluated and tried to help these victims realize that. The fact that photos and videos of children being raped were found on Mondrowitz's personal computer indicates that he is the same depraved individual that he was decades ago. He clearly poses a constant danger to children everywhere.

There is a tremendous chillul Hashem in preventing justice from being served and harboring such an evil person in the State of Israel. What message does this send to the world? If it was certain that he would receive the death penalty (as he deserves, al pi halacha) or if he were to serve a 25 year sentence without parole in an Israeli penitentiary, that would still not be sufficient in this case, as the non-Jewish courts have requested his extradition to stand trial for sexual molestation of minors, Jewish and non-Jewish.

Rubashkin cannot get out of jail, in part, because the judge feels that were Rubashkin to flee to Israel, he might find a safe haven there. That upsets our community. But harboring a sex fiend is okay?

And people continue to protect pedophiles, exposing hundreds if not thousands of our children to these vicious predators, who destroy the lives not only of their victims but often of the children of the victims, thus affecting thousands?

And people decline to listen to Rav Elyashiv shlita and Rav Avigdor Miller ztl, who called Mondrowitz a "Jewish Hitler" for having destroyed so many Jewish lives?

What a disgrace.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 09:26 PM Professional Says:

It is also time that parents teach their children basic rules of safety, many of which are taught in public schools but somehow neglected in our yeshivas.

1) No one should touch a child in the bathing suit area. If anyone does, the child should know to immediately let a female adult know, and to let their parents know as soon as possible.

2) Children should not be taught to mindlessly think everything negative is loshon hora. They need to be told by their parents that they can and should tell their parents anything that makes them feel uncomfortable.

3) Parents should debrief each and every child every day after school--"How was your day?" etc.

4) Parents need to be alert to changes in personality of a child. A previously happy child who becomes somber warrants immediate investigation.

5) Children often know more than they say--If a child tries to avoid a certain bus driver or the gym teacher or a certain rebbe, try to find out why--and do not make that child stay with that person.

6) Teach children to trust their gut feelings, their instincts, and if something does not feel right, to let Mommy or Tatte (Daddy) know right away.

Many of these basic principles are taught in public schools but in too many of our yeshivas common sense is not very common anymore, and the parent-child bond has become worthless--replaced by a doctrine of blind obedience bordering on the deification of the rebbes, menahel, and rosh yeshiva.

There is great danger in severing the parent-child bond and fostering extreme loyalty only to the child's rebbe.

And there is great danger when we as a community lose our rational thought and become prey to those who exploit our kindness--from Madoff to Mondrowitz.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 09:19 PM Shaul in Monsey Says:

My thoughts on the pederast are well documented on this blog. As a baal habos, I feel justified in suggesting to those that feel seeking daas torah as to how to proceed regarding the extradition and prosecution of the pedophile - lgabei this inyan, daas torah (whoever that may be today) has LOST its collective chezkas kashrus.

For far too long too many 'daas torah' swept this issue under the rug, dismissing the heilige korbonos of this rapist with the mere sweep of a hand.

Accordingly, I feel fully justified, regardless of what any 'rav' says, in supporting the victims, and seeking a full and complete prosecution of the sodomite - and would do so regardless of any psak issued to the contrary.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 09:58 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #60  
Anonymous Says:

Here are my thoughts:

Mondrowitz, and anyone else who is accused of such a heinous, disgusting, and terroristic crime should face the courts and meet the consequences that are their due. But we need to examine why.

Revenge – nope. The Torah is specific about the issur of lo sikom. We do not have that option.

Therapeutic benefit for the victim – not this either. Mental health professionals are nearly unanimous in the opinion that the molester’s imprisonment or even death penalty (if there is one) does not result in the victim faring better. The trauma that was suffered remains regardless of the molester’s address or life status.

Prevention of further offenses – yes. There is nothing as reliable as prison to keep molesters away from our children. And there is no guarantee that any treatment, teshuvah, or ‘spiritual growth” can safely protect future victims. Offenders repeat their offenses, especially where they lack the value systems that keep them from violating others’ privacy. Offenders repeat offenses, especially where the problem is of an addictive nature. The alcoholic with 25 years of sobriety still has no business risking entering a bar.

Deterrent – this is debatable. Will locking up Mondrowitz stop another molester from continuing his escapades, all the while believing that he can avoid getting caught? Good question, and I do not give this deterrent issue much faith.

Breaking the system – yes. We must absolutely crush the system that allows every Rav and politically connected askan the ability to protect criminals by taking responsibility for them. It is great to have people with connections, but the level to which this is abused is worthy of mention in the Guiness Book of World records.

Setting a precedent – yes. It is high time that we get to observe crime meet its consequence. We all need to observe the process and learn how to use the “system” that can work. This is not chilul Hashem any more. It is now Kiddush Hashem. We are recognizing that there are those among us who deserve negative consequences, and we are allowing justice to happen. We need to be consistent in holding ourselves responsible for ill behavior just as we expect others to be held responsible for theirs.

Perhaps if we excluded the rhetoric in the comments, as Rabbi Horowitz did so well in his letter/article, we could keep the focus on those aspects of the issue that are important.

WRONG on the first point. Any bar daas with some torah knowledge knows that nekoma applies to monetary issues ONLY. The rishonim and poskim are unanimous on this point. Otherwise, great post my friend.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 10:12 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

leave this guy alone. twenty five yrs passed. let bygones be bygones. the chil hashem is unbelievable. everyone stop now.

that is what you say now, until it is YOur immediate family or unless it was YOU who was victimized! don't talk until you have experienced something or spoken with the victims and felt their unbelievable sorrow!

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 10:28 PM Clarity Says:

Reply to #88  
Anonymous Says:

Loi Saamod Al Dam Reecha

Just to clarify: I was poster #84 and when I said Loi Tirtzach, I was referring to the molestor/murderer.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 10:48 PM Anonymous Says:

Psak from Rav Elyashiv 1/1/09 - 9:38 PM
steve

BiSiyata D'Shmaya,? The Fast of Asara B'Teves, 5764
To my dear friend...HaGaon Rav Shraga Feivel Cohen... I received your letter in [good] time but I was unable to respond until I reached "a day on which the rabbinical students are weak." The essence of the question: A person knows someone who is abusing a boy or a girl sexually, and the case is such that we are incapable of restraining him 'from continuing his evil deeds, is it permitted to inform an official of the government about this? Here is the language of the Rashba in his Teshuvos, Vol. III §393: My view is that if the witnesses are found to be credible by the chosen judges, [those judges] are authorized to impose a monetary penalty or a physical punishment, however they see fit. This preserves the world, for if you will keep strictly to the laws fixed in the Torah and not punish except where the Torah has punished, we will confront a destroyed world. Thus will people breach the world's [most fundamental] safeguards and thus will the world become devastated. And [we find precedents in that sages] have already instituted penalties for striking one's fellow...In each and every locale, [the rabbinical authorities] exercise their judicial powers to safeguard the generation, and so has it been done in each and every generation and in each and every place where they saw that the hour called for this... [See, for example, Sanhedrin 58b in regard to Rav Huna]...Therefore, these chosen judges that did this, if they saw a need of the hour for the betterment of the province, then they acted legally. This Is true all the more so If there is a governmental authorization [for their actions], similar to the case of R' Elazar Bar R' Shimon in Bava Metzia 83b.

From the Rashba's words, we learn that in a matter that entails tikkun haolam (the betterment of the world), the Sages of the Jewish people in every generation are empowered to institute a safeguard and stand in the breach, even where there is no authorization from the government.

Now, from what the Ritva writes (to Bava Metzia 84b) it appears that this [power] is [due solely to] the authorization of the government. This is his language there: He said to them, "Arrest him!" Now, that which [R' Elazar bar R' Shimon] exercised judicial power [in this way] without witnesses or forewarning, and not In the era of the Sanhedrin [which is forbidden]; It is different here, because he was [acting as] an agent of the king, and It is part of the laws of kingship [as opposed to the laws of a Sanhedrin] to executea person without witnesses and forewarning to correct the world punitively, as it Is stated regarding [King] David who executed the Ger Amalekl [without witnesses, forewarning or the deliberation of a Sanhedrin}, and the agent of a King is the same as him [i.e. similarly empowered}. But according to what was said [above], in a case that entails tikkun haolam, governmental authorization is not necessary.

However, all of this, to permit notifying the government, is only where it is clear that he participated in the crime. It is in this case that there is an issue of tikkun haolam. But where there is not even circumstantial evidence (raglayim /adavar), but only some impression [that he is guilty], then not only is there no issue of tikkun hao/am, but [to the contrary] there is heres hao/am (ruination of the world) here. And it is possible that because of a certain bitterness that a student feels toward the teacher and makes a false accusation against him or because of [someone's] delusion, a person [i.e. the accused] will be put into a situation in which his death will be preferable to his life. And it will be through no fault of his own, and [in that case], I see no permit in the matter.

And with this I remain your friend seeking the welfare of your distinguished person of Torah,

Yosef Shalom Elyashiv

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 10:51 PM Anonymous Says:

Seeing how many people there are out to block any and all efforts to block access of pedophiles to our children and to discourage others from starting is very disheartening.

I have never met one person who objects to Monrowitz being returned to the US to stand trial who wasn't himself the type I'd be afraid to allow near my grandchildren. They each have their own 'issues' r"l. They should all be zocheh to a refuah shelaimah. I am just so sad to see how many people like this there are in klal yisroel. What kind of society will we be leaving to our grandchildren??? One in which sexual molestation of young children is forgivable but protecting our children from them by having the courts remove them from society is forbidden? Gevalt. Is this what galus has done to us? Will we soon be enacting into law our emulation of sedoim by punishing the victim and rewarding the assailant?

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 10:44 PM Anonymous Says:

may the curse of kayin befall this molester and all those working on his behalf. as to those carpetsweeper rabbonim, may you only know our pain for the rest of your lives.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 10:41 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #93  
Shaul in Monsey Says:

My thoughts on the pederast are well documented on this blog. As a baal habos, I feel justified in suggesting to those that feel seeking daas torah as to how to proceed regarding the extradition and prosecution of the pedophile - lgabei this inyan, daas torah (whoever that may be today) has LOST its collective chezkas kashrus.

For far too long too many 'daas torah' swept this issue under the rug, dismissing the heilige korbonos of this rapist with the mere sweep of a hand.

Accordingly, I feel fully justified, regardless of what any 'rav' says, in supporting the victims, and seeking a full and complete prosecution of the sodomite - and would do so regardless of any psak issued to the contrary.

show me a godol and i'll show you either a molester or an enabler. the 3 are synonomous today. and if mondrowitz gets off the hook thanks to the gedolim of yesterday and today, i will kiss this religion goodbye.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 10:36 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #86  
Anonymous Says:

Eli,

May Hashem give you the strength to preservere and overcome. Like you said, only someone who has been victimized by a child molester, knows what you're going through. Chazak Veematz!

HANG IN THERE ELI!

I too am a victim of him. i too have a loving innocent family suffering for mondrowitz's sins commited on me. Take heart in the grassroots groundswell of support building among laymen and a very select group of rabbonim. we might never heal completely but we can grow with the help of available community supports like rabbi horowitz. closure and validation appears now to be a clear possibility. but regardless, we must pull together and support eachother through the resultant behavioral anomalies that being a victim creates. you might want to get in touch with the attorney michael lesher (who is working free on this case - he isn't even a trial attorney) a tzaddik of a man and a great mentch. he might be able to facilitate for you meeting other victims of mondrowitz like me. He took my testimony and signed for me a letter promising to keep the info confidential. As for the drug and sex addiction, know that it is a common reaction to your horrible experiences as a youth. Ben Zion Twersky, who has a office on 18th avenue in boro park is a caring ear for such situations. I learnt to trust him and confide my inner feelings and life secrets. Call him. He has seen and heard it all and will treat you with respect and dignity no matter where you have gone with your painful life. Hang in there brother. I wish we can all sit down together and give and get strength from eachother. yevarechecha hashem v'yishmerecha! Love you brother, i know and feel your pain. Call these 2 angles. do it for your kids, and for caring folks like me. AND DONT FORGET TO CONTACT REB YAAKOV HOROWITZ. No better shoulder to cry on.

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 11:09 PM Anonymous Says:

Yaakov Litzman Member Of Israel's Knesset Blocking The Extradition Of Avrohom Mondrowitz

Particulars
Date of Birth: 02/09/1948
Place of Birth: Germany
Residence: Jerusalem
Family Status: Married
Number of Children: 5
Education: High School, Yeshiva
Contact Telephone: 02-6408008
Telephone # 2: 02-6408009
Fax: 02-6753730
Email:
ylitzman@knesset.gov.il
Languages: English, Yiddish

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 11:14 PM Sherree Says:

If we don't know what to say to the courts on our own, we should take Reb Yankie's article and fax it or email to the American and Israeli court systems as listed above.

Kol Hakavod Reb Yankie for this great letter, and once again I suggest that this be the basis for a petition that all should sign. We should easily get thousands of signatures to show not only the court systems but all those who would defend and protect ANY MOLESTER instead of protect and defend an innocent soul/child.

Anyone who doubts the authority of the righteous to turn this monster or any other monster over to the appropriate authorities should review Rav Eliashuv's psak and a psak given by Rabbi Moshe Sternbuch
......- In response to the question as to whether a rabbi must be called, he said that the key issue is to ascertain whether the child is in danger or will be in danger. If it is obvious that that is the case - either because of one's direct knowledge or a responsible person has informed you of that fact - the police should be called.

Talking to others who have discussed the issue with him, they noted that Rav Sternbuch's focus is on the issue of harm to the child. When they told him about other poskim who have focused on "is the particular act truly sexual contact, or has the perpetrator promised to stop, or if the perpetrator agrees to be supervised" he got furious and said these approaches are nonsense. He is fully aware that therapy is not very successful and that the perpetrator is likely to repeat the crime.

Bottom line: If a child is in danger of being molested - the police need to be called. If there is any uncertainty - either regarding the facts or the seriousness of the incident - an experienced rabbi or professional should be consulted. However if it is clear that children are in danger of being molested - a rabbi does not have to be consulted. Rav Sternbuch concluded, "Let the molester rot in jail." (http://daattorah.blogspot.com/2008/06/rav-moshe-sternbuch-shlita-guidelines.html)

Understand this, everyone has something on everyone else. There is a reason why Rabbonim are not agreeing to pronounce that people should go to the police with their information. Notice, however that no one is standing up and proclaiming that NO ONE SHOULD DARE GO TO THE POLICE with this information. If you go to a RAV they say they don't want to get involved and they don't want to be asked the sheilah, go to someone else.

What does this tell you. No one wants to take responsibility but yet, no one is saying that it is not "mutar" to go to the police. The ones who are yelling and screaming are the ones who have something to lose, the ones who have something to hide. The fact that they are protecting the molesters in their midst. The fact that they know that they have perpetrators in their own daled amos and they have allowed children to be harmed and have done nothing about it. The fact that they are basically looking the other way or are in essence accomplices to the crimes. How could they possibly direct others to go to the police when they are as guilty as the molester themselves?

It is only a true tzadik with clean hands and a clear conscience that can direct victims of abuse to stand up for themselves and to help others. It is only someone with a true heart and a pure soul who is a true oved Hashem who worries about the victims and the potential of future victims.

We all know from the current news what greed can do to people and our community was not immune. Our community is caught up through greed in this issue as well. We are bought and sold according to who we support and what issues we are promoting. If the molesters have enough money behind them the Rabbonim are not going to turn them over because they fear losing financial support for their institutions. It has nothing to do with being masser, that is just a cover up for the truth.

Again read the psakim from those who don't have their hands in the money pot!

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 Jan 01, 2009 at 11:41 PM Anonymous Says:

It is truly interesting that from all of the comments on this blog, the majority of the pro-extradition group are shrill screaming and whining and almost all the anti-extradition comments appear to be thought out rational opinions.
That aside, it seems that he is still a threat to society and should be locked up.
The teshuva from R' Elyashiv is not totally relevant. He is addressing people like myself who used to think that it seems that punishment is wrong in judaism except according to strict guidelines which do not exist in this case (eidim and hasro'oh). After seeing this tesguva I see my mistake. However, each case is still individual and must be dealt with accordingly.
BTW what has Mondrowitz (feh) been doing the past 25 years? Has he had a job in social work?

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 12:05 AM Sherree Says:

The only reason why one would seem to be "shrill screaming or whining" is because those who keep denying the truth seem to be "deaf, dumb and blind" and the only way left to reach them is by screaming from the rooftops at the top of our lungs!!!!!! Everything else was already tried and ignored.

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 12:22 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #104  
Anonymous Says:

It is truly interesting that from all of the comments on this blog, the majority of the pro-extradition group are shrill screaming and whining and almost all the anti-extradition comments appear to be thought out rational opinions.
That aside, it seems that he is still a threat to society and should be locked up.
The teshuva from R' Elyashiv is not totally relevant. He is addressing people like myself who used to think that it seems that punishment is wrong in judaism except according to strict guidelines which do not exist in this case (eidim and hasro'oh). After seeing this tesguva I see my mistake. However, each case is still individual and must be dealt with accordingly.
BTW what has Mondrowitz (feh) been doing the past 25 years? Has he had a job in social work?

he taught young adults in a universaty in yerushalayim until attorney michael lesher raised hell and he had to stop.

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 07:33 AM Gluteus Maximus Says:

Reply to #105  
Sherree Says:

The only reason why one would seem to be "shrill screaming or whining" is because those who keep denying the truth seem to be "deaf, dumb and blind" and the only way left to reach them is by screaming from the rooftops at the top of our lungs!!!!!! Everything else was already tried and ignored.

Shree, you have passionately brought this issue up and I admire your courage...others should listen

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 07:00 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #24  
Gadolwannabe Says:

That's right. Be more concerned about Chillul Hashem and mesiera and let the guilty get off without punishment.
You guys are living with a shtetel mentality. A shande far de goyim! Where are your human emotions of revenge, retribution and justice? Do you leave it all in Hashem's hands? My position is that this guy should be made to suffer for the rest of his life.

u need to be more careful how u refrence to hashem and his abilities. ur crossing the line and should be off limits on this blog. go write in the atheistic times herald record blog.

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 06:42 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #52  
Yakov Horowitz; Monsey NY Says:

One more point:

We find that the Torah made allowances for 1) a relative of a murdered person 2) when the killing was accidental to kill the murderer if he did not take things seriously and go to galus.

How about the murdered person HIMSELF (trust me, sodomizing an innocent child is as close to murder as you can get.) getting justice from one who did it B'MAYZID (on purpose)???

Rabbi Horowitz,

A goel hadam cannot kill one who murdered b'maizid. It would not be an adequate kaporo; only teshuva and misas beis din. I don't know what type of kaporo a civil court trial would be.

It seems here the benefit of extradition and trial, is to stop and prevent future pervs from thinking they can get away with it.

In terms of victims feeling that justice was served, could that be accomplished in E.Y.?

Just wondering if there is some way to accomplish this without the tremendouse chillul hashem. The public will throw all rabbis who deal with kids - including yourself - in with the numerous priests in the catholic scandal that fed and continues to feed the newspapers. It must somehow be made clear that this is an extreme exeption. If it is not an exeption.....!!!!!

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 03:44 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #104  
Anonymous Says:

It is truly interesting that from all of the comments on this blog, the majority of the pro-extradition group are shrill screaming and whining and almost all the anti-extradition comments appear to be thought out rational opinions.
That aside, it seems that he is still a threat to society and should be locked up.
The teshuva from R' Elyashiv is not totally relevant. He is addressing people like myself who used to think that it seems that punishment is wrong in judaism except according to strict guidelines which do not exist in this case (eidim and hasro'oh). After seeing this tesguva I see my mistake. However, each case is still individual and must be dealt with accordingly.
BTW what has Mondrowitz (feh) been doing the past 25 years? Has he had a job in social work?

I find it amusing that a dumbkopf like you feels important enough to be the arbiter or reason and rational arguments. What is rational about saying that we should leave Mondrowitz alone because it happened twenty five years ago, and bygones should be bygones? It is you and your ilk that are the cause of the spiritual decay of our society. You decide which Rov is Daas Torah and which is not, which Rov is naive and which one is wise. Please step on a claymore and/or a bouncing betty.

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 03:27 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #58  
Anonymous Says:

rabbi horowitz you are naive and I don't think you should do deeni nfushos... us system vs. iraqi are system is courupt polard yochiach... do I need to say more???

Thank you for your unintelligible post where you managed to malign someone who does a tremendous amount of good for the frum community, while making your rishus behind a self righteous mask of caring about Halacha. Why is R' Horowitz naive? Because he is repulsed by an animal like Mondrowitz? The fact that Pollard is jailed for reasons that don't satisfy you has no bearing on this case at all. Your sole purpose in this world is to be a human mine sweeper. I hope you accomplish your purpose quickly.

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 01:22 AM Common ¢ Says:

Reply to #104  
Anonymous Says:

It is truly interesting that from all of the comments on this blog, the majority of the pro-extradition group are shrill screaming and whining and almost all the anti-extradition comments appear to be thought out rational opinions.
That aside, it seems that he is still a threat to society and should be locked up.
The teshuva from R' Elyashiv is not totally relevant. He is addressing people like myself who used to think that it seems that punishment is wrong in judaism except according to strict guidelines which do not exist in this case (eidim and hasro'oh). After seeing this tesguva I see my mistake. However, each case is still individual and must be dealt with accordingly.
BTW what has Mondrowitz (feh) been doing the past 25 years? Has he had a job in social work?

How interesting…… but I do see it reverse.
Those for anti-extradition seem to be a little naïve, to say the least, and when having a discussion that requires common sense; it is quite annoying to see the עם חכם respond in such a way.
Look at your own response.
If you have ever learned some גמרא you would know how חז"ל punished people for acts that “they” saw fit to be punished, and were not concerned with לאתקום or רחמנות. It doesn’t take intellect to say: what about the הלכה? But it does take intelligence and cleverness to understand what Hashem would really want from us in this situation. So I don’t see the “thought out rational opinions” of the anti-extraditionists.
Maybe you could enlighten me with some good solid well thought out rational קשיות against extradition? So far I have seen nothing here in this blog.

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 08:01 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Burach Says:

Rabbi, i have great respect for you , But i believe that you "may" be wrong on this one , and here is my reasoning

1. We as jews have halachas to follow , and hamoser yhudi byad nuchri is a issur that we need to keep in mind, when we feel that in a case like this that we can get a heter from rabonim - the question becomes , what will jail do ?

1. will jail just be punishment and revenge that the victims are seeking ?

2. is he still hurting children , if not, why jail him - is it for revenge ?
3. now that he has been outed and years have gone by , how would it help the victims to relive all they have been thru on the stand in court ? can you imagine the lawyers ripping them apart , as to how they have lived their lives untill now ?


so before we call for him to be bought back to face a trial here , lets take a breather and really think this thru .....

All phony excuses to keep covering up for the molesters. Shame on you.

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 08:10 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

leave this guy alone. twenty five yrs passed. let bygones be bygones. the chil hashem is unbelievable. everyone stop now.

Yes, the chillul Hashem springing from this matter is unbelievable -- but NOT because this distasteful business is finally out in the open because the victims cry out for justice. The chillul Hashem is ALL the fault of the evil Mondrowitz, his corrupt family protecting him, all of the other corrupt people who have protected him, like the Gerrorists, and the fools on this board and other forums who pretend to be learned and who sling around terms like "moser," "Chilul Hashem" [supposedly to even talk about this case], "his family will be shamed" and "loshen hara" to try and let this monster and others in similar cases, like Kolko, deface and defame the Torah by hiding behind it like weasels instead of coming out and facing their well-deserved punishments.

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 08:49 AM I HAVE ONE QUESTION Says:


can anyone who is denial here about the importance of molesters going to jail tell me what it would take for u to open ur eyes and see whats going on?
if one of ur kids and grandkids will be c"v molested or raped would u still be so against it? or one of your grandkids perhaps?
i have a close family member that was molested by a trusted person in the yeshivah system, no words can describe the pain that is still going on many years later, it is pure luck that he still keeps shabbos because to him the religion is not worth much when rabbis have no problem backing the molesters and the rapists.

it is people like you that that i pity, by denying it, it doesnt make it go away just enables more and more kids to go thru this hell
SHAME ON YOU!!!!

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 09:11 AM Anonymous Says:

In every generation in Jewish history we face a cycle of new challenges and new issues.
We correct old issues and solve old problems.

in the 40's -50's we faced issues of Shmiras Shabbos and Kasherous
In the 60's -70's intermarriage began to rear it's ugly head Rabbonim at the time tried to keep it under wraps but it expoloded.

In the 80's The Bal teshuvah Movement took hold and everyday brings back many of the "Nidchey Yisroel" and began to put the brakes on this problem.

Now we face drugs and other social problems allways kept quiet in the past.
B'H we apapt and we now have programs in place to deal with present issues.

Today we face new issues and challanges.
Child Molestation in Yeshivos and the Frum world is now out in the open.

Clear heads like Rabbi Horowitz, Rabbi Pelcowitz and Rabbi Twerski will deal with these issues in a sensible moral way within the parameters of Halacha, Civil Law and the laws of general decency.

We teach our children not to talk to strangers Not to accept rides from strangers. The public should be made aware of this issue of Molestors among us for the purpose of protecting our children from these costumed predators these bearded predators are like Joh Wyane Gacey who dressed up as a clown to lure children so to we have among us horrible people dressed as Rabbis. We must educate our innocent children and protect them from this sickly perversion.

We do have have worthy experts and advocates in our community:

Imagine a victim of an accident is being tended by Hatzolah a mob forms at the scene with everybody screaming giving thier two cents on how to treat and transport the victim.

We have worthy experts like Rabbi Horowitz with regard to the molestation problem. A lynch mob is not dignified and will not solve anything. Let the experts do thier job with dignity. Let the law take hold and bring these criminals to justice. Perhaps the victims will have the chance to face thier tormentors in thier vulnerable position as is a comforting healing for Holocaust victims. Let the the victims heal with DIGNITY as best as they can. May Hashem Yiborach bring them the Nechamah and Peace that they so need.

Good Shabbos

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 09:05 AM Sherree Says:

Reply to #107  
Gluteus Maximus Says:

Shree, you have passionately brought this issue up and I admire your courage...others should listen

THAT is NOT funny...you are making a joke of a serious issue!

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 09:18 AM Anonymous Says:

It's unbeleivable the SICKNESS of all these miguided defenders and excusers
I think they are worse than Mondrowitz who has an uncontrolable sickness taivah
what's their excuse????? to defend this animal and let him go unpunished.
It's mind boggling how many twisted minds there are amongst us - I just hope it's just a few crazies and secret pedophiles making alot of noise.
But where are the Rabbonim on this ??????????? The silence is defening.
Lipa concerts is an issue and this is not worth making a stand ?????
No wonder these animlas have always felt secure doing their dastard deeds.
Hashem Yerachem!!!!!!!!

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 09:24 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #113  
Anonymous Says:

All phony excuses to keep covering up for the molesters. Shame on you.

Your reasoning is the same reasoning that Nazi's use when they are caught in thier 90's.

Do you think Nazis should get a free pass just because they can't hurt anybody anymore. Got defeated, Were able to hide all of these years and are now too feeble and too old to kill and torment?

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 09:23 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

leave this guy alone. twenty five yrs passed. let bygones be bygones. the chil hashem is unbelievable. everyone stop now.

"leave this guy alone. twenty five yrs passed. let bygones be bygones. the chil hashem is unbelievable. everyone stop now."


What would you do if it was your son? Would you just say "let it go"?

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 09:30 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #108  
Anonymous Says:

u need to be more careful how u refrence to hashem and his abilities. ur crossing the line and should be off limits on this blog. go write in the atheistic times herald record blog.

What this poster has written in perfectly within the realm of frum hashkofa. If u got sick with cancer woill u stay in bed relying on hashem or go to a doctor and do hishtadlus?

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 09:35 AM Anonymous Says:

you guys are lowlifes!!! maybe when you get to gehinom youll run an article for all your readers on what goes on up there so they know what to expect

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 09:33 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #109  
Anonymous Says:

Rabbi Horowitz,

A goel hadam cannot kill one who murdered b'maizid. It would not be an adequate kaporo; only teshuva and misas beis din. I don't know what type of kaporo a civil court trial would be.

It seems here the benefit of extradition and trial, is to stop and prevent future pervs from thinking they can get away with it.

In terms of victims feeling that justice was served, could that be accomplished in E.Y.?

Just wondering if there is some way to accomplish this without the tremendouse chillul hashem. The public will throw all rabbis who deal with kids - including yourself - in with the numerous priests in the catholic scandal that fed and continues to feed the newspapers. It must somehow be made clear that this is an extreme exeption. If it is not an exeption.....!!!!!

right now all frum jews are painted as molesters or enablers since we have refused to deal with the problem at let molesters run amuck for as long as 40 plus years. any counterforce action on our part to deal with this in an agressive manner would effect a KIDDUSH HASHEM when our kinderlach as well as the goyim see we adhere to uvearta hara mekirbecha

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 09:44 AM learned man Says:

it says in tanach that he should be brought back and see if he does it again. visit the inequity upon the children

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 09:50 AM Yudel Says:

A rodeif must be given over to authorities.

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 10:10 AM Anonymous Says:

Dear Rabbi Horowitz:

I would like to ask you a question. Is pedophilia a sickness or a crime

If it's a crime then you are right that Mondrowitz should be extradited and punished.

But, if its a sickness, you should make sure that he gets medical help and not seek revenge. By putting him away you will do no good for his victims except, satisfying their urge for revenge, noting more, and in the same time while the aggressor suffers himself from his illness you are hurting him even more by incarcerating him which does no good to anyone. I don’t thing this is the Torah way of handling this issue. We should rather concentrate on getting these sick people real help.

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 10:59 AM yiddishe bubby Says:

Reply to #37  
Anonymous Says:

y ou want gedolim? we only have ketanim when it comes to this particular issue. u want /abbonim? gives us some of the rabbonim you think we should approach and we will follow through and let u know what they say. give us your address so we can send you the results

I agree 100% we are drowning and we do not have the gedolim to save us particularly in this big tsorah. Thank you R. Horowitz, for being one of the spokespeople that we need very badly, yes generations are lost because of monsters such as mondorowitz.

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 10:10 AM Anonymous Says:

I dont understand how someone can say that Reb YH is on target on this one. I do respect his work and he does wonderful things helping ppl who suffer, and Ill be the first one to admit that we need more ppl like him, but that doesnt give him the right to pasken halacha issues, we have a torah for that and we have rabonnim for that, and we should leave it up to them, its not for us to decide if he needs to go in jail or not, yes with our minds and emotions we will all say let him be in jail for the rest of his life, but muse we never forget that yidden have a torah and we can never move away from the torah way, I also dont like the idea when ppl say and yell, hey he never did tshuva we found KP on his computer,oh yes I knwo its bad to have something like that, but that doesnt harm anyone only himself and his sick mind and thats between him and hashem, thats no prove that he didnt do tshuva, I have one question and I didnt get a answer so far, where were all this ppl for the last 20 years, we have lots of erliche yidden and how come not one of them came out and are backing REb YH and saying he should be in jail,so I guess there is more to the story then most of the readers on VIN know,just remember yidden have to forgive sometimes no matter how hard it is

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 11:56 AM Anonymous Says:

To #128 "I dont understand how someone can say that Reb YH is on target on this one etc."
At least he is DOING something instead of just ignoring this major issue.
Is it better to hide your head like an ostrich and have "no comment" ??????
Az es tut vei shreit men.
Let the Rabbonim at least SAY something even if it's "Let him go he has suffered enough or it's a Chillul Hashem to talk about this blah blah etc"
I doubt any real godol would EVER say the above, but by being QUIET they allow for all these idiots to interpret that as if they want to give him a free pass etc.
Sickening.

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 11:53 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #128  
Anonymous Says:

I dont understand how someone can say that Reb YH is on target on this one. I do respect his work and he does wonderful things helping ppl who suffer, and Ill be the first one to admit that we need more ppl like him, but that doesnt give him the right to pasken halacha issues, we have a torah for that and we have rabonnim for that, and we should leave it up to them, its not for us to decide if he needs to go in jail or not, yes with our minds and emotions we will all say let him be in jail for the rest of his life, but muse we never forget that yidden have a torah and we can never move away from the torah way, I also dont like the idea when ppl say and yell, hey he never did tshuva we found KP on his computer,oh yes I knwo its bad to have something like that, but that doesnt harm anyone only himself and his sick mind and thats between him and hashem, thats no prove that he didnt do tshuva, I have one question and I didnt get a answer so far, where were all this ppl for the last 20 years, we have lots of erliche yidden and how come not one of them came out and are backing REb YH and saying he should be in jail,so I guess there is more to the story then most of the readers on VIN know,just remember yidden have to forgive sometimes no matter how hard it is

"I knwo its bad to have something like that, but that doesnt harm anyone only himself and his sick mind and thats between him and hashem, thats no prove that he didnt do tshuva"

Teshuvah:
1. Confession
2. Mechila

the victims are waiting

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 11:53 AM Leah W. Says:

After reading all these posts from various people, i went back and reread Rabbi Horowitz's letter. i have not found that he paskined any shaylos. the authorities already know of the case, so who exactly is he informing. also, the extridition is already in progress, Rabbi Horowitz just wants it to progress without anymore hickups.

also, to comment #104, i think it's insane for you to read shrillness etc. from these comments. yes, the tone is well understood from word stucture and phrasiology, but that isn't shrillness. i personally read it as PAIN, FEAR, and HELPLESSNESS that is exploding off the page by people in the kind of situation that (b"h) you obviously never experienced. to victims of this heinous act, it probably feels like they're helpless kids again, powerless to stop those protecting their tormentor. a little compassion (and less glibness) on your part would not be remiss.

good shabbos and may Hashem grant every victim of molestation the strength and fortitude to live complete, happy lives.

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 11:33 AM brain Says:

Reply to #3  
Burach Says:

Rabbi, i have great respect for you , But i believe that you "may" be wrong on this one , and here is my reasoning

1. We as jews have halachas to follow , and hamoser yhudi byad nuchri is a issur that we need to keep in mind, when we feel that in a case like this that we can get a heter from rabonim - the question becomes , what will jail do ?

1. will jail just be punishment and revenge that the victims are seeking ?

2. is he still hurting children , if not, why jail him - is it for revenge ?
3. now that he has been outed and years have gone by , how would it help the victims to relive all they have been thru on the stand in court ? can you imagine the lawyers ripping them apart , as to how they have lived their lives untill now ?


so before we call for him to be bought back to face a trial here , lets take a breather and really think this thru .....

You might have a point in everything you are saying, but he should be jailed as a sign to future criminals who will feel that they can commit the horrific act and run off to jail under all your theories that sound nice but in reality will hurt future children

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 12:08 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #128  
Anonymous Says:

I dont understand how someone can say that Reb YH is on target on this one. I do respect his work and he does wonderful things helping ppl who suffer, and Ill be the first one to admit that we need more ppl like him, but that doesnt give him the right to pasken halacha issues, we have a torah for that and we have rabonnim for that, and we should leave it up to them, its not for us to decide if he needs to go in jail or not, yes with our minds and emotions we will all say let him be in jail for the rest of his life, but muse we never forget that yidden have a torah and we can never move away from the torah way, I also dont like the idea when ppl say and yell, hey he never did tshuva we found KP on his computer,oh yes I knwo its bad to have something like that, but that doesnt harm anyone only himself and his sick mind and thats between him and hashem, thats no prove that he didnt do tshuva, I have one question and I didnt get a answer so far, where were all this ppl for the last 20 years, we have lots of erliche yidden and how come not one of them came out and are backing REb YH and saying he should be in jail,so I guess there is more to the story then most of the readers on VIN know,just remember yidden have to forgive sometimes no matter how hard it is

victims and advocates have benn working on this for years while u were blissfully ignorant of this rampant problem. BTW surprise surprise, this IS the torah way. but thickheaded ignoramis like u wont realize it if it slapped u in the face,

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 12:16 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

I still don't get it. you maybe right emotionally. you are right. but the issue, according to micheal Lesher, is israeli legalities. An emotional plea is worthless in such a case.

Not true.

Israeli government virtually "worships" public opinion especially if it's form the US.

They even let their own people get killed every day because of stupidly worrying about public opinion of "what will the world say".

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 11:12 AM esther Says:

Reply to #126  
Anonymous Says:

Dear Rabbi Horowitz:

I would like to ask you a question. Is pedophilia a sickness or a crime

If it's a crime then you are right that Mondrowitz should be extradited and punished.

But, if its a sickness, you should make sure that he gets medical help and not seek revenge. By putting him away you will do no good for his victims except, satisfying their urge for revenge, noting more, and in the same time while the aggressor suffers himself from his illness you are hurting him even more by incarcerating him which does no good to anyone. I don’t thing this is the Torah way of handling this issue. We should rather concentrate on getting these sick people real help.

mondoritz is not so sick that he did't know to terrify his victims into secrecy or to flee the u.s. when he was about to be caught.if he really couldn't stop himself he should have blown his brains out before he touched the first child.avramil, it's never too late. i'llbuy you the bullets. it would be a big kovod for me.

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 12:30 PM "cure?" Nareshkeiten Says:

Reply to #14  
Anonymous Says:

I don't agree with rabbi horowitz on much but this piece is terrific . it speaks from the heart and from the mind . I wonder though what does the halachah say regarding this . that's for sure that while his abuse of children was ongoing he had a din of rodef and one was obligated to stop him by all means even by killing him . but now that his abuse has supposdly stopped for many years is one even allowed to do hishtadlus to put him in jail for the sake of emotional healing of his victims . is this not mesirah ?

Anyone who thinks "he stopped" does not know the aleph beis of this sickness.

Magen Law exists because these people never ever get cured.

We can't argue about this over "cholent" this is not a "debate" this is a scientific fact that these kinds of people NEVER EVER stop.

They can't stop it a sickness they can't control.

This is a scientific fact.

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 12:26 PM On YOUR Cheshbon Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

leave this guy alone. twenty five yrs passed. let bygones be bygones. the chil hashem is unbelievable. everyone stop now.

"Leave him alone?"

On who's Cheshbon?

On your Cheshbon?

Why don't YOU send him all your children and grandchildren, brothers and sisters - he "needs" them?

Send him all your children to "play" with.

And then talk like that "leave him alone".

Meshugener!

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 12:23 PM former cop Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

leave this guy alone. twenty five yrs passed. let bygones be bygones. the chil hashem is unbelievable. everyone stop now.

there is no excuse for these types pof crimes. After 25 years many of the victims still suffer. Child molesters no pardon no peace!!

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 12:22 PM Anonymous Says:

He should be extradited and punished because the victims will not have any closure if JUSTICE is not done and we as frum jews can not allow anyone to attack innocent people just because they claim they are frum. there has been enough chillul hashem amongst our brethren

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 12:39 PM Child Molester = Child (nefesh) KILLER Says:

Reply to #21  
Anonymous Says:

Rabbi Horowitz:

This is dini nefushos and you are not entitle to pasken them. This belongs to our true gedolim and rabonim so please stay away.

Thanks

You are wrong!

The opposite is true!

It's Diney Nefohos of Yehoreg Veal Yaavor - that which he is doing to the Children.

This is called Giloy Aroyos and the din is Yehareg Veal Yaavor - this means that what he doing is worse than killing Yidden because a Yid needs to Kill himself in order not to transgress the sins which he does with children.

Anyone who asks such a Shaalah to a Rav is making the Rav Guilty in Diney Nefoshos because it makes it the RAV'S FAULT that he did not darshen these Halochos Berabim so that no one should even be so stupid to ever ask such a ridiculous question because it is a Davar Barur that for Pikuach Nefesh of THOUSANDS of Jewish Children - there is no question that he must be "turned in" and stopped.

OCH and VEY to a Rav that they come to ask him such a Shala, because that means HE (the Rav) is guilty of not having made it clear before hand - as the Halacha is in Shulchan Aruch about anyone who asks a Rav a Shaalah if he can be Mechalel Shabbos for Pikuach Nefesh.

It is PIKUACH NEFESH to have this "child killer" who Kills the children Beolam Hazeh and Beolam Habah - makes the children loose both olomos - to have this "child nefesh killer" put away and stopped.

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 12:38 PM Shaul in Monsey Says:

The rape of our youth by an animal who used the Torah as a screen behind which he hid the most obscene and deviant acts of violence against those that trusted him by virtue of his alleged rabbinic and professional authority should repulse every single Jew of every single stripe and color. Period. Imagine using the holy parchment of the Torah, with the heilige loshon hakodesh forming beautiful columns, and using that as a screen to hide behind while our youth were being raped. That is exactly what this animal did.

It doesn't matter if this happened 20 years ago or 20 minutes ago. That we abandoned the victims of this man in favor of protecting and providing a safe haven for the pederast all these years justifies completely why we reman in golus. That there is even one proponent of granting the sodomite any type of pardon, will indeed insure that we remain in golus, no matter how many blatt daf yomi we learn and how many tomchei shabbos boxes get delivered.

It is disgraceful to even suggest that this animal, may the name Mondrowitz be erased from the annals of Judaic history, did teshuva. He could klap al cheit daily till he dies. Has he admitted his sins? NO. Has he removed himself from his taivos? NO. Has he sought mechila from every single victim for every single act of rape, sodomy and aggression? ABSOLUTELY NOT. Teshuva? Don't be ridiculous.

Therefore, I say to anyone reading this, if you are in favor of protecting this rapist, if you believe he should not be extradited, if you believe he deserves the benefit of the doubt, I say to you, you are an enemy of Klal Yisroel. You could shukle all day davening, you could learn daf yomi, you could be the frummest of the frum. And if you on top of all that support MONSTEROWITZ, then it is all hevel havalim.

To the victims, make no mistake, it is the minority fools of our religion that do not support you. We will no longer allow Torah-true values to be twisted and perverted at your expense. We don't need rabbonim to support us when we know what is right any more so than we need a rav to tell us chazer is treif.

We know that this was swept under the rug for far too long. We know we turned our backs on you. We know we drove you to drugs as an outlet when we offered no shoulder. We are sorry. We can't change the past. But today we stand with you. Today we admire your courage, we support your efforts. The animal that gave you zero consideration as a human being, let alone as a tyireh yid, gets zero consideration from us.

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 12:41 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #22  
Anonymous Says:

Didn't the kabbalist say we should have achdus even for the worst sinners?

Yes,

We can and should visit him in jail and send him candy in jail but in jail he must be.

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 12:46 PM Did you forget? Says:

Reply to #84  
Anonymous Says:

Loi Tirtzach!

The Aseres Hadibros also says:

Loy Sinaf

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 01:19 PM You are Out of Your Mind! Says:

Reply to #128  
Anonymous Says:

I dont understand how someone can say that Reb YH is on target on this one. I do respect his work and he does wonderful things helping ppl who suffer, and Ill be the first one to admit that we need more ppl like him, but that doesnt give him the right to pasken halacha issues, we have a torah for that and we have rabonnim for that, and we should leave it up to them, its not for us to decide if he needs to go in jail or not, yes with our minds and emotions we will all say let him be in jail for the rest of his life, but muse we never forget that yidden have a torah and we can never move away from the torah way, I also dont like the idea when ppl say and yell, hey he never did tshuva we found KP on his computer,oh yes I knwo its bad to have something like that, but that doesnt harm anyone only himself and his sick mind and thats between him and hashem, thats no prove that he didnt do tshuva, I have one question and I didnt get a answer so far, where were all this ppl for the last 20 years, we have lots of erliche yidden and how come not one of them came out and are backing REb YH and saying he should be in jail,so I guess there is more to the story then most of the readers on VIN know,just remember yidden have to forgive sometimes no matter how hard it is

What are you Hakin a Chinik with "Teshuva" and "Forgiveness"?????

Do you know what you are talking about?

Obviously you don't know that every Molester is no different than an uncontrollable meshugener in a Meshugaim-house.

There are places for the CRIMINALLY-INSANE.

If someone is criminally insane - i.e. he is serial Killer who has killed and continues to Kill daily (which is what molesters do to the nefesh and guf of a yid) then we lock them up and throw away they key.

If you like, go ahead and "forgive" every serial-murderer. I don't care if you "forgive him" as long as he remains locked up and you throw away the key so his continues killing spree is stopped.

Remember the reality that this is an extremely serious sickness for which there is no cure and it never ever stops - not until he is locked up.

He physically can't stop - this is like a running locomotive WITHOUT BREAKS!

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 01:17 PM Anonymous Says:

very well. Good job Rabbi.

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 01:12 PM SCIENCE - Are Molesters "curable"? Says:

Reply to #126  
Anonymous Says:

Dear Rabbi Horowitz:

I would like to ask you a question. Is pedophilia a sickness or a crime

If it's a crime then you are right that Mondrowitz should be extradited and punished.

But, if its a sickness, you should make sure that he gets medical help and not seek revenge. By putting him away you will do no good for his victims except, satisfying their urge for revenge, noting more, and in the same time while the aggressor suffers himself from his illness you are hurting him even more by incarcerating him which does no good to anyone. I don’t thing this is the Torah way of handling this issue. We should rather concentrate on getting these sick people real help.

It's a both a sickness and a crime.

But there is no cure.

Even Cancer has some cure rate but Molesters have ZERO cure rate - they can't stop for any length of time, except very briefly.

Even if they are castrated they still don't stop - this is SCIENCE not "opinion" - this fact.

When you lock him up, it's your choice to call it "punishment" or call it "medicine".

The only medicine that stops molesters is to lock them up and throw away they key. This is the only "medicine" that is effective.

All other medications (even castration, physically or chemical-castration) has been scientifically proven to NOT stop molesters.

They find "other ways" to continue to molest and to continue their abuse.

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 01:10 PM Anonymous Says:

To # 84 “ Loi Tirtzach! ”
How about "U'viarto Haro Mikirbecho" ?????
It's just amazing how immature and just plain stupid some people are.


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 Jan 02, 2009 at 01:35 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #147  
Anonymous Says:

To # 84 “ Loi Tirtzach! ”
How about "U'viarto Haro Mikirbecho" ?????
It's just amazing how immature and just plain stupid some people are.


What makes you so sure these people defending Mondrowitz are immature and stupid?

Sounds more like they are resho'im.

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 02:13 PM Molesters Says:

Reply to #148  
Anonymous Says:

What makes you so sure these people defending Mondrowitz are immature and stupid?

Sounds more like they are resho'im.

Most likely they are themselves, Molesters

They have to protect Mondrowitz in order to save their own skin, because the enablers and protectors, will be discovered and exposed, next!

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 02:17 PM Why Deffend this Minivel? Says:

The only reason anyone can want to defend such a dangerous and such and evil person to keep him out of Jail, is only because those who are defending him are just as guilty or even more guilty than Mondrowitz is.

Next time you hear "someone Big" advocating not to report abuse - know who he really is - there is "good reason" (Vehamevin Yavin) why he wants to protect the Minivil.

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 01:31 PM Estee Says:

Reply to #141  
Shaul in Monsey Says:

The rape of our youth by an animal who used the Torah as a screen behind which he hid the most obscene and deviant acts of violence against those that trusted him by virtue of his alleged rabbinic and professional authority should repulse every single Jew of every single stripe and color. Period. Imagine using the holy parchment of the Torah, with the heilige loshon hakodesh forming beautiful columns, and using that as a screen to hide behind while our youth were being raped. That is exactly what this animal did.

It doesn't matter if this happened 20 years ago or 20 minutes ago. That we abandoned the victims of this man in favor of protecting and providing a safe haven for the pederast all these years justifies completely why we reman in golus. That there is even one proponent of granting the sodomite any type of pardon, will indeed insure that we remain in golus, no matter how many blatt daf yomi we learn and how many tomchei shabbos boxes get delivered.

It is disgraceful to even suggest that this animal, may the name Mondrowitz be erased from the annals of Judaic history, did teshuva. He could klap al cheit daily till he dies. Has he admitted his sins? NO. Has he removed himself from his taivos? NO. Has he sought mechila from every single victim for every single act of rape, sodomy and aggression? ABSOLUTELY NOT. Teshuva? Don't be ridiculous.

Therefore, I say to anyone reading this, if you are in favor of protecting this rapist, if you believe he should not be extradited, if you believe he deserves the benefit of the doubt, I say to you, you are an enemy of Klal Yisroel. You could shukle all day davening, you could learn daf yomi, you could be the frummest of the frum. And if you on top of all that support MONSTEROWITZ, then it is all hevel havalim.

To the victims, make no mistake, it is the minority fools of our religion that do not support you. We will no longer allow Torah-true values to be twisted and perverted at your expense. We don't need rabbonim to support us when we know what is right any more so than we need a rav to tell us chazer is treif.

We know that this was swept under the rug for far too long. We know we turned our backs on you. We know we drove you to drugs as an outlet when we offered no shoulder. We are sorry. We can't change the past. But today we stand with you. Today we admire your courage, we support your efforts. The animal that gave you zero consideration as a human being, let alone as a tyireh yid, gets zero consideration from us.

Wow. You actually wrote an intelligent paragraph. Bravo.

Until reading VIN, I have never heard of this monster but I am beyond shocked and appalled that he isn't locked up in solitary confinement. Where is the community???? All the rabbis, community leaders, member of community should be protesting in the street to get this evil excuse for a human back here. He deserves the death penalty. What a sick individual. And to all those that excuse him go get yourself so medication; you need it.

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 02:02 PM Enabelers = Molesters Says:

Reply to #148  
Anonymous Says:

What makes you so sure these people defending Mondrowitz are immature and stupid?

Sounds more like they are resho'im.

Chances are that all the "Molester-Enablers" and their protectors-cover_up'ers" and so called "Big Ones" who think they are "The Leaders" of the people, yet they shamelessly advocate not reporting Molesters - the real reason why they protect the molesters, is most likely because:

They are Molesters themselves!!!

So they know they will be next, if they don't "protect the other molester"!!!!

Anyone who wants to hang up a "Big Red Flag" that he, himself, may actually be a potential Molesters, HIMSELF, should advocate not sending these people to Jail and by their advocacy, we can already "understand", why they are doing it? Because they are most likely just as guilty THEMSELVES (of the same or similar crimes).

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 01:47 PM Trying to play devil's advocate Says:

I'll try to play devil's advocate. I know some will try to squash my words with such comments as "he has some issues" or "he is a pedophile himself", but insult me as much as you want, I'll say what needs to be said anyway. First off I think that Reb Yankel is a rare and special person and emotionally I'm with him all the way. Having said that, I wish to dispel some myths reported here. People say that he has a din rodef; says who? Is he presently a rodef? The psak of Harav Elyashiv is clearly for someone who is presently a rodef. That he hasn't molested for the last twenty five years, doesn't it tell you anything? It was reported that when he was arrested a year ago they found kiddie porn on his computer. My question is, is it true, or someone just said so? Can anyone please tell us from a responsible source if it is really true? If true then the whole picture changes, but I still insist that it might be a made up story. Now if this sick person should be extradited or be sent to jail for Jackson to kill him is totally not my department and neither is it IMO Rabbi Horowitz's department. This has to come from a true "daas Torah". Yes "daas Torah" still exists even if so many shrill screamers continue to mock ALL Rabbonim. I for one will not join this bandwagon to hell, and will clearly state my position. My opinion is that because he was a monster then, that doesn't mean that he is a monster now, he might very well have done teshuvah, and yes teshuvah even helps when someone has killed someone. That he didn't apologize to his victims yet, does strike strongly against him, but playing devil's advocate it can also be explained that he was afraid of confronting his victims who might tape him confessing, or that he was a fugitive, so how should he contact his victims, by mail?, telephone? I know many won't like my post, but I don't care because I was taught that the Torah has all the answers and "daas baal habayis is hepech daas Torah". Trying to paint the Gerer Rebbe and Rabbi Silverstein as some idiots doesn't fly with me. They probably know more then us. I would recommend that Rabbi Horowitz talk to them and ask them what they think, not what was reported here, which is mere hearsay. Finally to the victims I know that you will be very upset at me, and it is very understandable and therefore I'll accept it, but you too need to think, as hard as it is, along the lines of the Torah. Is it revenge which you want? Revenge is not Torahdig, we ask Hashem to take revenge for us. Is it to stop him from molesting again, then the question remains, will he really molest again? And if it is to stop others, then the question is will it really stop others? Even if it will, then only a “daas Torah” can make such a decision, to jail him and get him killed there, because it will deter others. This crime against children has been done since world creation. Do we have any teshuvas from the last thousand years? The answer is “no”, which means that it was always taken care locally. To, now in the year 5769 to bring it to the world at large, when we know what great Chilul Hashem will happen, and for what gain? Only a Gadol can answer this question, not me and not you.

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 02:19 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #149  
Molesters Says:

Most likely they are themselves, Molesters

They have to protect Mondrowitz in order to save their own skin, because the enablers and protectors, will be discovered and exposed, next!

can you imagine once he is brought back and the justice process starts, how many previously molested children will suddenly find the courage and voice to speak out against all molesters. that is why he has defenders still today and why some gedolim with bones in the closet or bones in relatives closets are trying to sabotage this process. wonder what is in litzman's closet and in some other gerrer closets.

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 03:03 PM Anonymous Says:

It seems like you are saying that all you have to do make amends is to say 'sorry' and not do it again for 25 years. That is a ridiculous position.

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 02:49 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #153  
Trying to play devil's advocate Says:

I'll try to play devil's advocate. I know some will try to squash my words with such comments as "he has some issues" or "he is a pedophile himself", but insult me as much as you want, I'll say what needs to be said anyway. First off I think that Reb Yankel is a rare and special person and emotionally I'm with him all the way. Having said that, I wish to dispel some myths reported here. People say that he has a din rodef; says who? Is he presently a rodef? The psak of Harav Elyashiv is clearly for someone who is presently a rodef. That he hasn't molested for the last twenty five years, doesn't it tell you anything? It was reported that when he was arrested a year ago they found kiddie porn on his computer. My question is, is it true, or someone just said so? Can anyone please tell us from a responsible source if it is really true? If true then the whole picture changes, but I still insist that it might be a made up story. Now if this sick person should be extradited or be sent to jail for Jackson to kill him is totally not my department and neither is it IMO Rabbi Horowitz's department. This has to come from a true "daas Torah". Yes "daas Torah" still exists even if so many shrill screamers continue to mock ALL Rabbonim. I for one will not join this bandwagon to hell, and will clearly state my position. My opinion is that because he was a monster then, that doesn't mean that he is a monster now, he might very well have done teshuvah, and yes teshuvah even helps when someone has killed someone. That he didn't apologize to his victims yet, does strike strongly against him, but playing devil's advocate it can also be explained that he was afraid of confronting his victims who might tape him confessing, or that he was a fugitive, so how should he contact his victims, by mail?, telephone? I know many won't like my post, but I don't care because I was taught that the Torah has all the answers and "daas baal habayis is hepech daas Torah". Trying to paint the Gerer Rebbe and Rabbi Silverstein as some idiots doesn't fly with me. They probably know more then us. I would recommend that Rabbi Horowitz talk to them and ask them what they think, not what was reported here, which is mere hearsay. Finally to the victims I know that you will be very upset at me, and it is very understandable and therefore I'll accept it, but you too need to think, as hard as it is, along the lines of the Torah. Is it revenge which you want? Revenge is not Torahdig, we ask Hashem to take revenge for us. Is it to stop him from molesting again, then the question remains, will he really molest again? And if it is to stop others, then the question is will it really stop others? Even if it will, then only a “daas Torah” can make such a decision, to jail him and get him killed there, because it will deter others. This crime against children has been done since world creation. Do we have any teshuvas from the last thousand years? The answer is “no”, which means that it was always taken care locally. To, now in the year 5769 to bring it to the world at large, when we know what great Chilul Hashem will happen, and for what gain? Only a Gadol can answer this question, not me and not you.

Go ask the Gerrer Rebbe for his daas toirah.

# 150 said all there is to say about you and the rest ot the Margo's of the world.

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 03:18 PM Anonymous Says:

How stupid to say, '' he hasn't done it for 25 years." Of course, he has! Only you won't hear about it for another 30 years until these newest victims have grown to become adults!

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 02:34 PM Anonymous Says:

Having said that, I wish to dispel some myths reported here. People say that he has a din rodef; says who? Is he presently a rodef? The psak of Harav Elyashiv is clearly for someone who is presently a rodef. That he hasn't molested for the last twenty five years, doesn't it tell you anything?

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hasn't been caught molesting in the last 25 years. It is even easier to get away with molesting in Eretz Yisroel. Some people never get caught. The yeshiva principal who molested me and many of my friends was never caught - does that mean he never molested me?

Please.....

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 03:22 PM He is NOW a Rodef Says:

Reply to #153  
Trying to play devil's advocate Says:

I'll try to play devil's advocate. I know some will try to squash my words with such comments as "he has some issues" or "he is a pedophile himself", but insult me as much as you want, I'll say what needs to be said anyway. First off I think that Reb Yankel is a rare and special person and emotionally I'm with him all the way. Having said that, I wish to dispel some myths reported here. People say that he has a din rodef; says who? Is he presently a rodef? The psak of Harav Elyashiv is clearly for someone who is presently a rodef. That he hasn't molested for the last twenty five years, doesn't it tell you anything? It was reported that when he was arrested a year ago they found kiddie porn on his computer. My question is, is it true, or someone just said so? Can anyone please tell us from a responsible source if it is really true? If true then the whole picture changes, but I still insist that it might be a made up story. Now if this sick person should be extradited or be sent to jail for Jackson to kill him is totally not my department and neither is it IMO Rabbi Horowitz's department. This has to come from a true "daas Torah". Yes "daas Torah" still exists even if so many shrill screamers continue to mock ALL Rabbonim. I for one will not join this bandwagon to hell, and will clearly state my position. My opinion is that because he was a monster then, that doesn't mean that he is a monster now, he might very well have done teshuvah, and yes teshuvah even helps when someone has killed someone. That he didn't apologize to his victims yet, does strike strongly against him, but playing devil's advocate it can also be explained that he was afraid of confronting his victims who might tape him confessing, or that he was a fugitive, so how should he contact his victims, by mail?, telephone? I know many won't like my post, but I don't care because I was taught that the Torah has all the answers and "daas baal habayis is hepech daas Torah". Trying to paint the Gerer Rebbe and Rabbi Silverstein as some idiots doesn't fly with me. They probably know more then us. I would recommend that Rabbi Horowitz talk to them and ask them what they think, not what was reported here, which is mere hearsay. Finally to the victims I know that you will be very upset at me, and it is very understandable and therefore I'll accept it, but you too need to think, as hard as it is, along the lines of the Torah. Is it revenge which you want? Revenge is not Torahdig, we ask Hashem to take revenge for us. Is it to stop him from molesting again, then the question remains, will he really molest again? And if it is to stop others, then the question is will it really stop others? Even if it will, then only a “daas Torah” can make such a decision, to jail him and get him killed there, because it will deter others. This crime against children has been done since world creation. Do we have any teshuvas from the last thousand years? The answer is “no”, which means that it was always taken care locally. To, now in the year 5769 to bring it to the world at large, when we know what great Chilul Hashem will happen, and for what gain? Only a Gadol can answer this question, not me and not you.

We know 100% for sure that he is currently still a Rodef because it is a scientific fact and a CHZAKA that these people NEVER get cured.

Loy Rainu Eina Raya to prove in Beis Din that someone was Mezaneh with an Eishes Ish, you don't have to physically see the ugly physical act it's self - Chazaka is enough.

The "proof" that Pinchas had, when he Killed Zimri, was a very big Miracle, but such "proof" is not required al pi din because Chazaka is enough.

Virtualy all Molesters Molest several hundred times before they are caught even once so for every reported case there is several hundred unreported ones before that.

What this means is that it's the "quite before the storm".

When you are right in the EYE of a Hurricane it is very quite inside but the Chazaka is that such sic peoples nature NEVER EVER EVER EVER changes.

You are betting against nature.

It's just impossible for such people to stop.

The CHZAKA al pi Torah can't be a stronger Chazaka.

Al Pi Torah we give SKILA based only on CHZAKA.

Chazaka means that Torah says that based on Chazaka it is NOT a sofek but rather that based on Chazaka:

"WE KNOW FOR SURE"

What the fact is 100% for sure, based on time proven Chazaka with no exceptions at all - such molesters NEVER, ever, EVER, stop.

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 03:20 PM Mental Health Truth Says:

I would like to point out something.
I do not know his (personal) story.
The facts are he caused untold heartache to countless innocent neshomos.
I know of some of them.
some killed themselves.
Many went "off the derech".
others became offenders too.
and still others were zoche to get real help, and rebuild.
Generations of Klal yisroel were affected by this man's actions.
Lives were lost.
Lives were prevented.
Abuse continued.
LO SA'AMOD AL DAM REYACHA is not just a nice idea.
It's a Lav D'oraisa.

P.S. I do believe that a child molester can be rehabilitated.
Halacha is eternal.
Teshuva: Viduy, charata, Kabbala al ha-assid.
AFTER he asks mechila from his victims. And makes restitution (don't ask me how... maybe the treif meat man has an idea?)
and suffers the humility and shame that he has caused to so many innocent neshamalach.

Then he can say viduy to Hashem.
And BEGIN to have charata.
And then, maybe then there can be a successful Kabbala al Ha-assid, between him and God.

Tzion B'mishpat Tipadeh, V'shaveha Bitzdaka.

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 03:47 PM Born in the U.S.A. Says:

I seriously think the U.S.... who knows how to prosecute repetitious, adult pedophiles... should offer up Jonathan Pollard who they think belongs in prison... in exchange for this piece of work!

Pollard can be subject to Israeli Justice, in exchange for the Doctor being subject to American Justice!
We live in a fair country... Everybody here is supposed to get a fair trial. He should never have gotten past security on way from chicago to our Holy Land.

FYI
his neighbors in Yerushalayim do not trust him. I do have rachmanus on his kids. I taught his daughter in Yerushalayim, when I gave a model lesson in Seminary. She wasn't benefitting by having her father around. She had no friends.

that was 22 years ago.
Genug Shoin.

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 03:52 PM Put YOUR OWN Children where your mouth is Says:

to # 160
I believe the following story is told about the Chofetz Chaim:

He came in to a town where no one knew who he was and someone walked over to him to ask him if he can SHECHT for him.

The Chofetz Chaim asked him, how do you know you can trust me as a trustworthy Jew?

The other answered that he look like a Kosher Yid who can be trusted.

A Moment later the Chofetz Chaim asked him if he can lend him a sum of money.

The other answered "But I don't even know you so do I know I can trust you that you will repay?"

The Chofetz Chaim answered:

A Monet ago you trusted me to Shecht for you....but now (put your money where your mouth is) you are not so sure you are comfortable trusting me to lend me a few dollars?

The same i say to you - all of you who believe he did teshuva.

STOP FOOLING YOURSELF because you REALLY don't believe (emunah?) that.

Proof is you will not send your own wife to him for "consultation" not your children for counseling or baby-sitting by Mondrowitz.

Stop being such hypocrites if deep down you know you are dead scared of this Monster and you have no "emuna" in him at ll, whatsoever.

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 Jan 03, 2009 at 05:45 PM lawyeer Says:

dont extidite him...just bring him here...we knows what to do

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 Jan 02, 2009 at 04:52 PM Chutzpa Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

leave this guy alone. twenty five yrs passed. let bygones be bygones. the chil hashem is unbelievable. everyone stop now.

Please tell this comment to those whom he has hurt and had their lives ruined because of him and others who continue to molest young children in our communities. I believe that everyone should see what happens when they harm kids in this way. Let the rapists and molesters and those who protect them know that these acts will no longer be tolerated. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

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 Jan 03, 2009 at 07:03 PM Many will hate me for this Says:

Pedophilia, or all other sexual perversions and horrific acts, may be sick things to do, but they are not a disease. They are bad behaviors. They are criminal behaviors. BUT THEY ARE BEHAVIORS!

The worse behaviors as well as bad habits are able to stop. A man CAN stop dommitting ANY crime, or ANY bad behavior.

A man is capable of doing teshuva and following through with it.

The fact that many have claimed to have done teshuva and slipped back into their old behaviors is no different than the one who promised to stop eating port, and keeps slipping back into the behavior.

The only difference is that we see this bahavior as sooooo grooosssss, that we assume the man who does it must be SICK!

But, though we use the word "Sick" to describe the behavior, IT IS STILL ONLY A BEHAVIOR, and can be stopped.

Just as the alcholic CAN stop drinking, and the heroin addict CAN stop using, so the child molester CAN stop molesting, and the rapist CAN stop raping.

I have worked with people in the past who have worked hard at stopping ALL of the above behaviors AND WERE ABLE TO STOP.... PERMANENTLY.

No, I am not saying this man did teshuva. How would I know?
No, I am not saying this man stopped. How would I know?
But, Yes, I am saying it can be done.

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 Jan 03, 2009 at 06:37 PM Anonymous Says:

come on already,
does anyone really believe that he didnt mess up alot of people's lives?

168

 Jan 03, 2009 at 07:28 PM Anonymous Says:

The fact that individuals will not trust him, and will not want their kids around him, does not make it the "right thing to do" to torture the many today.

I too would be VERY reluctanct to allow him near my kids. But, I would still fight for his right to make a new life for himself without being tortured today for what he did years ago.

Of course if he were to do it again..... I have a rusty spoon here .....

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 Jan 03, 2009 at 07:25 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #167  
Anonymous Says:

come on already,
does anyone really believe that he didnt mess up alot of people's lives?

Of course he messed up lives.

Just like someone who did other atrocious crimes in the past, messed up people's lives.
Most criminal behavior is made criminal because it messed up other people's lives.

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 Jan 03, 2009 at 08:00 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #165  
Many will hate me for this Says:

Pedophilia, or all other sexual perversions and horrific acts, may be sick things to do, but they are not a disease. They are bad behaviors. They are criminal behaviors. BUT THEY ARE BEHAVIORS!

The worse behaviors as well as bad habits are able to stop. A man CAN stop dommitting ANY crime, or ANY bad behavior.

A man is capable of doing teshuva and following through with it.

The fact that many have claimed to have done teshuva and slipped back into their old behaviors is no different than the one who promised to stop eating port, and keeps slipping back into the behavior.

The only difference is that we see this bahavior as sooooo grooosssss, that we assume the man who does it must be SICK!

But, though we use the word "Sick" to describe the behavior, IT IS STILL ONLY A BEHAVIOR, and can be stopped.

Just as the alcholic CAN stop drinking, and the heroin addict CAN stop using, so the child molester CAN stop molesting, and the rapist CAN stop raping.

I have worked with people in the past who have worked hard at stopping ALL of the above behaviors AND WERE ABLE TO STOP.... PERMANENTLY.

No, I am not saying this man did teshuva. How would I know?
No, I am not saying this man stopped. How would I know?
But, Yes, I am saying it can be done.

Assuming he hasn't done it in 25 years, which is highly unlikely, given that the way he was caught 1 year ago was with child pornography, don't you think the reason for not doing it would be because of the danger of getting caught? Or perhaps the fact that once people knew what he was they wouldn't give him the opportunity to do so again? To me that all adds up to a reason to jail child molesters - to give possible new ones a reason not to do it!

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 Jan 03, 2009 at 07:38 PM Moshe Says:

Reply to #3  
Burach Says:

Rabbi, i have great respect for you , But i believe that you "may" be wrong on this one , and here is my reasoning

1. We as jews have halachas to follow , and hamoser yhudi byad nuchri is a issur that we need to keep in mind, when we feel that in a case like this that we can get a heter from rabonim - the question becomes , what will jail do ?

1. will jail just be punishment and revenge that the victims are seeking ?

2. is he still hurting children , if not, why jail him - is it for revenge ?
3. now that he has been outed and years have gone by , how would it help the victims to relive all they have been thru on the stand in court ? can you imagine the lawyers ripping them apart , as to how they have lived their lives untill now ?


so before we call for him to be bought back to face a trial here , lets take a breather and really think this thru .....

1. As for what jail will do, jail prevents other people from doing similar things. If they know that they can hide behind their communities and use halacha to be a naval birshus hatorah without the threat of going to jail or being prosecuted in beis din, there is little to give them pause before abusing children, thus creating serious sakanas nefashos for those children who will be abused in the future. Furthermore, since when does punishment equal revenge? Historically, when beis din had power, if they knew that someone was doing something deplorable, but the requirements weren't met to prosecute him in beis din, there was always the kupah, where they had reshus to kill him if necessary (not to say this was done often). Was that power revenge? NO - it was the concept of justice. Beis din was given the power to administer justice where the torah didn't have a straightforward remedy. Now that beis din does not have that power, what alternative is there?

2. Who knows if he is still hurting children? The point is, once someone has a chazaka that he has in the past, how can you possibly assume that he won't do it again - especially with the type of behavior that comes from a permanent sickness. You don't grow out of being a pedophile anymore than you grow out of being a thief or a murderer. Should we let everyone out of prison just because they aren't killing, raping and stealing as we speak??

3. Why don't you leave it to the Victims to decide if they want a trial rather than letting the person who ruined their lives and the lives of their families walk free?

Finally, as for taking a breather and "thinking it through," perhaps 30 years has been enough time.

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 Jan 03, 2009 at 07:38 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #167  
Anonymous Says:

come on already,
does anyone really believe that he didnt mess up alot of people's lives?

Those who say he didn't mess up anyone's life can't admit to themselves how badly they are messing up other people's lives by doing the same thing he did.

They want to make it sound like molestation is no worse than parking at an expired meter so when they get caught everyone will say it is no big deal, charge him $35 and let him go.

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 Jan 03, 2009 at 08:30 PM Anonymous Says:

He most probably did commit these crimes in israel too. rumors have been around that he did. We will only know 25 years or so after the crime when the children grow and overcome part of the trauma and fear. That is what happened to me, and i'm hell bent on getting him back here.

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 Jan 03, 2009 at 08:41 PM Mental Health Truth Says:

Reply to #162  
Put YOUR OWN Children where your mouth is Says:

to # 160
I believe the following story is told about the Chofetz Chaim:

He came in to a town where no one knew who he was and someone walked over to him to ask him if he can SHECHT for him.

The Chofetz Chaim asked him, how do you know you can trust me as a trustworthy Jew?

The other answered that he look like a Kosher Yid who can be trusted.

A Moment later the Chofetz Chaim asked him if he can lend him a sum of money.

The other answered "But I don't even know you so do I know I can trust you that you will repay?"

The Chofetz Chaim answered:

A Monet ago you trusted me to Shecht for you....but now (put your money where your mouth is) you are not so sure you are comfortable trusting me to lend me a few dollars?

The same i say to you - all of you who believe he did teshuva.

STOP FOOLING YOURSELF because you REALLY don't believe (emunah?) that.

Proof is you will not send your own wife to him for "consultation" not your children for counseling or baby-sitting by Mondrowitz.

Stop being such hypocrites if deep down you know you are dead scared of this Monster and you have no "emuna" in him at ll, whatsoever.

I did not say he did teshuva.

I said,
"AFTER he asks mechila from his victims. And makes restitution (don't ask me how... maybe the treif meat man has an idea?)


and SUFFERS THE HUMILITY and shame that he has caused to so many innocent neshamalach.

Then he can say viduy to Hashem.
And BEGIN to have charata.
And then, maybe then there can be a successful Kabbala al Ha-assid, BETWEEN HIM AND G-D"

that means lots and lots of therapy, after he admits the crime, does the time, and makes restitution.

and I did say, I am clueless to how he can possibly make restitution for causing kids to kill themselves. OR for making a generation of young men feel so powerless that their lives became meaningless.

I am just trying to say that there are people who can do teshuva. We shouldn't lump the victims in the same category as the aggressors. That's why I posted, as did someone else, that there is a possibility for someone who was messed up to get help.

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 Jan 03, 2009 at 08:40 PM Moshe Says:

Reply to #31  
SHMIEL GLASSMAN Says:

REB YANKEL,
your letter is passionate & weel written, IS IT THE CORRECT TORAH RESPOSE?
There are 2 distinct issues here
1. safegaurding our children is priority #1
2. healing the victims emotionaly
i'm too young to know mondrowitz
my question is assuming "mondrowitz " is in israeli jail or assume clinicly he is NOT a threat at this time
what does the Torah allow you to do to a perpetrator to heal your emotional wounds ?
isnt that the key question?
id humbly suggest you show your letter to a godol that has the "plaitzus" & clinical knowledge (rav shmuel kaminetski shlita or rav matisyahu shlita)
then again you may have !

1. I agree with you that safeguarding our children is priority 1, and showing present and future child rapists that they will not be protected by our community, but will face the same consequences as everyone else, is our most powerful deterrent and crucial to safeguarding our children.
2. While there is precedent in the Torah for the healing of emotional wounds, such as the concept of goel hadam, which, mind you, is for a SHOGEG, I will grant that goel hadam is a specific remedy for a specific case. But at the same time, lo sikom v'lo sitor is also not universally applicable. If it were, it would contradict the concept of goel hadam, or for that matter any punishment, or beis din's power to deal punishment that isn't written in the Torah for the sake of administering justice and protecting people. Further, nekama would be raping Mondrowitz - not applying to him a law that existed before he committed the crime, instituted for the purpose of preventing that crime. Institutional punishment is not nekama - it's justice, and if it happens to give some comfort to the victims, worse things have happened. As for justice not being a jewish concept, Avinu Malkeinu, Nekom L'EINEINU Nikmas Dam Avodecho Hashafuch. Is that nekama we seek, or justice?

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 Jan 03, 2009 at 08:26 PM Anonymous Says:

Do his wife and kids support him? Where can I get information on what he did or lists of pedohphiles to know who to stay away from.

Hatzlocho to all his victims. May Hashem be with you.

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 Jan 03, 2009 at 08:25 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #168  
Anonymous Says:

The fact that individuals will not trust him, and will not want their kids around him, does not make it the "right thing to do" to torture the many today.

I too would be VERY reluctanct to allow him near my kids. But, I would still fight for his right to make a new life for himself without being tortured today for what he did years ago.

Of course if he were to do it again..... I have a rusty spoon here .....

but if he would do it again why wont u say maybe he will do teshuva this time?

your logic is ilogical and childish. Teshuva requires confession and reparations/apologies to your victims.

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 Jan 03, 2009 at 08:47 PM Anonymous Says:

There are almost 200 comments, so I suppose this is a personal issue for many. But I wonder if punishing one molester will actually be a deterrent to other molester/would-be molesters?

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 Jan 03, 2009 at 10:12 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #179  
Anonymous Says:

There are almost 200 comments, so I suppose this is a personal issue for many. But I wonder if punishing one molester will actually be a deterrent to other molester/would-be molesters?

A law is only effective to the extent it can be enforced. To refuse to punish child rape is to effectively allow it. Institutionally accepted child rape is a personal issue for everyone belonging to that institution. Why don't you keep wondering whether punishing child rapists actually deters child rape until it becomes a personal issue for you.

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 Jan 03, 2009 at 10:47 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #179  
Anonymous Says:

There are almost 200 comments, so I suppose this is a personal issue for many. But I wonder if punishing one molester will actually be a deterrent to other molester/would-be molesters?

Every molester caught by authorities can use this defense.

Every thief can claim this defense. Why is israel killing hamas terrorists?

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 Jan 03, 2009 at 10:44 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #176  
Anonymous Says:

Do his wife and kids support him? Where can I get information on what he did or lists of pedohphiles to know who to stay away from.

Hatzlocho to all his victims. May Hashem be with you.

his wife told ABC news via phone last year that the accusations are 25 years old, they are to quote her "old stuff", she had at least suspected what was going on according to 1 victim.

For a list of alleged offenders see theawarenesscenter dot com

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 Jan 03, 2009 at 11:26 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #153  
Trying to play devil's advocate Says:

I'll try to play devil's advocate. I know some will try to squash my words with such comments as "he has some issues" or "he is a pedophile himself", but insult me as much as you want, I'll say what needs to be said anyway. First off I think that Reb Yankel is a rare and special person and emotionally I'm with him all the way. Having said that, I wish to dispel some myths reported here. People say that he has a din rodef; says who? Is he presently a rodef? The psak of Harav Elyashiv is clearly for someone who is presently a rodef. That he hasn't molested for the last twenty five years, doesn't it tell you anything? It was reported that when he was arrested a year ago they found kiddie porn on his computer. My question is, is it true, or someone just said so? Can anyone please tell us from a responsible source if it is really true? If true then the whole picture changes, but I still insist that it might be a made up story. Now if this sick person should be extradited or be sent to jail for Jackson to kill him is totally not my department and neither is it IMO Rabbi Horowitz's department. This has to come from a true "daas Torah". Yes "daas Torah" still exists even if so many shrill screamers continue to mock ALL Rabbonim. I for one will not join this bandwagon to hell, and will clearly state my position. My opinion is that because he was a monster then, that doesn't mean that he is a monster now, he might very well have done teshuvah, and yes teshuvah even helps when someone has killed someone. That he didn't apologize to his victims yet, does strike strongly against him, but playing devil's advocate it can also be explained that he was afraid of confronting his victims who might tape him confessing, or that he was a fugitive, so how should he contact his victims, by mail?, telephone? I know many won't like my post, but I don't care because I was taught that the Torah has all the answers and "daas baal habayis is hepech daas Torah". Trying to paint the Gerer Rebbe and Rabbi Silverstein as some idiots doesn't fly with me. They probably know more then us. I would recommend that Rabbi Horowitz talk to them and ask them what they think, not what was reported here, which is mere hearsay. Finally to the victims I know that you will be very upset at me, and it is very understandable and therefore I'll accept it, but you too need to think, as hard as it is, along the lines of the Torah. Is it revenge which you want? Revenge is not Torahdig, we ask Hashem to take revenge for us. Is it to stop him from molesting again, then the question remains, will he really molest again? And if it is to stop others, then the question is will it really stop others? Even if it will, then only a “daas Torah” can make such a decision, to jail him and get him killed there, because it will deter others. This crime against children has been done since world creation. Do we have any teshuvas from the last thousand years? The answer is “no”, which means that it was always taken care locally. To, now in the year 5769 to bring it to the world at large, when we know what great Chilul Hashem will happen, and for what gain? Only a Gadol can answer this question, not me and not you.

Pure BS. Not the devil's advocate. more like the devil himself.

The police stated at a press conference after his arrest last year that the KP was found on his PC and on external storage. It was reported at the time in the papers and is part and parcel of the prosecutors 'Tik'.
Nekoma is not torahdik in regard to dinei momonis NOT to Nefashos.
No one ever said teshuva was easy. He was not in hiding. The press and those who wanted to know always had his address in jerusalem. He did not phone any victims nor send shlichim/askonim to help heal his victims.
If monstrowitz really felt his life is now in danger would he not have others ask mechila in his name? The fact that an admission might be used against him in court does not mean he can do teshuva in any other way. your rationalizations are similar to the ones he used to justify what he was doing 20-30 years ago.
Yes, i beleive u have issues and are dead scared u or a relative is next on the lynch list.
a molester who no longer molests goes scott free? and a murderer thief too? only a diseased mind would think like you. can u imagine what those contemplating molesting kids would think if your twisted logic prevailed in society.

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 Jan 04, 2009 at 12:13 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #165  
Many will hate me for this Says:

Pedophilia, or all other sexual perversions and horrific acts, may be sick things to do, but they are not a disease. They are bad behaviors. They are criminal behaviors. BUT THEY ARE BEHAVIORS!

The worse behaviors as well as bad habits are able to stop. A man CAN stop dommitting ANY crime, or ANY bad behavior.

A man is capable of doing teshuva and following through with it.

The fact that many have claimed to have done teshuva and slipped back into their old behaviors is no different than the one who promised to stop eating port, and keeps slipping back into the behavior.

The only difference is that we see this bahavior as sooooo grooosssss, that we assume the man who does it must be SICK!

But, though we use the word "Sick" to describe the behavior, IT IS STILL ONLY A BEHAVIOR, and can be stopped.

Just as the alcholic CAN stop drinking, and the heroin addict CAN stop using, so the child molester CAN stop molesting, and the rapist CAN stop raping.

I have worked with people in the past who have worked hard at stopping ALL of the above behaviors AND WERE ABLE TO STOP.... PERMANENTLY.

No, I am not saying this man did teshuva. How would I know?
No, I am not saying this man stopped. How would I know?
But, Yes, I am saying it can be done.

You are wrong.

It is an official psychiatric medical disease and there is no cure.

Pedophilia is an official disorder listed by the American Psychiatric Association.

Just remember that there is no cure for this. That means "once a pedophile, always a pedophile. They never change.

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 Jan 04, 2009 at 03:39 AM A Yid Who Thought it Through! Says:

Reply to #3  
Burach Says:

Rabbi, i have great respect for you , But i believe that you "may" be wrong on this one , and here is my reasoning

1. We as jews have halachas to follow , and hamoser yhudi byad nuchri is a issur that we need to keep in mind, when we feel that in a case like this that we can get a heter from rabonim - the question becomes , what will jail do ?

1. will jail just be punishment and revenge that the victims are seeking ?

2. is he still hurting children , if not, why jail him - is it for revenge ?
3. now that he has been outed and years have gone by , how would it help the victims to relive all they have been thru on the stand in court ? can you imagine the lawyers ripping them apart , as to how they have lived their lives untill now ?


so before we call for him to be bought back to face a trial here , lets take a breather and really think this thru .....

To Whom It May Concern:

This man, a so called rabbi, has been living a wonderful life in Eretz Yisroel for over 25 years!
It time for him to be brought to justice. I love when people use the Torah to support and back things that are totally against the Torah.
You write about Halacha. Do you know how many issurim this beast violated when he violated these young boys?
What good does it for the victims to incarcerate this so called rabbi? Firstly, not only does it help the victims it helps all of us, especially in this case FRUM Yidden!
These victims might be able to finally have peace and closure to such a horrific event in their life. Jail will not take away nor forgive this beast for his actions, however it will ensure that he does not enjoy the wonderful life he is been living. How can this so call therapist try to have reflection while having the liberty to walk the streets of the holly city of Yerushalayim? Dot you realize how he ruined people’s life? Maybe you don’t see it because the results are not physical but quite emotional. True, none of his victims are missing a limb, but the damage is done. Let me remind you that he was quite physical with these boys. WAKE UP!
As for the rest of us, throwing this monster in jail not only takes one monster out of our society and makes our streets, shuls, yeshivas safer. It very hard to accept and believe that some one whom dresses the part and knows how to act like one of us is truly a deviant monster, trying to hurt the guarantors that Jewish life will prevail, our children! It is a sad reality, one that can bring tears to your eyes. However, it is a reminder to other members of our community whom may have such ill desires that we the Frum, Torah community will not tolerate such behavior, and will not let hide among us while others in our sacred community suffer!
Sending Mondrowitz is the only thing to do. I thought this all through-have you?

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 Jan 04, 2009 at 10:21 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #58  
Anonymous Says:

rabbi horowitz you are naive and I don't think you should do deeni nfushos... us system vs. iraqi are system is courupt polard yochiach... do I need to say more???

Bringing up Pollard is very interesting in this case, and very inteligent. Just in the wrong direction.

Did you ever wonder why Pollard is not being pardoned and got such a stiff sentence (other then anti-semitism)?

The thing that makes the Pollard case different, as much as we hate to admit it, is:

The strong ties Jews have with each other and our homeland.

If a black person was shown to have molested hundreds of black children, do you think black people would come to his defense the way you are on this message board?

Our government knows that in order to deter Jews spying for Israel, they need a stronger deterrent that any other nationality, because we put the laws of our land secondary to the Torah.

We are the only nationality that does that, for better or worse.

The fact that ANYBODY on this board is sticking up for a molester - and is using the Torah as their source, is PROVING our government right.

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 Jan 04, 2009 at 11:27 AM Anonymous Says:

"Come on, you have nothing to be afraid of. I love you more than anyone else."

Those were the words A. Mondrowitz told me when he began molesting me.....and those are the words i tell him now that he is expressing fear to coming home to stand trial. What was good for a young preteen is good for a 60 year old now.

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