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A rally between Pro Israel and Pro Palestine has turned into a fistfight and police had to arrest a few participants
Miami Beach police said more than a thousand people gathered to demonstrate in a parking lot between the Holocaust Memorial and the Miami Beach Convention Center.
Demonstrators said the time has come for Israel and the U.S. to support a decisive effort to stop Hamas. Many said they want Israel to destroy Hamas.
The rally was organized by the group Shalom International. The group said it is planning several more protests around Florida.
The rally's organizer, Bob Kunst said "We've got to finally put our foot forward to stop terrorism around the world, so this message is as much for the Obama presidency as anybody not to switch course, you have to go after the very people who want to kill us."
VIN News has learned that police have arrested a few people from the Pro Israel rally and some pro Hamas supporters after a fist fight broke out between the two groups.
** UPDATE** 6:18 PM EST
3 pro Israel participants have been released and issued a disorderly conduct citation, and 11 pro Palestinian supporters are being held for aggravated assault.
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Jan 04, 2009 at 04:53 PM murray Says:
Who started the fight? Sounds to me that the police arrested some from both sides just to show "fairness" If the one side started the fighting ( Israeli, or the Palestinians), that's where the arrests should have been made. I hope there is good solid video available. We are a nation of laws- both sides have equal rights to voice their opinions, just keep your hands to yourself.
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Jan 04, 2009 at 06:25 PM booboo Says:
Wish I would have been there. Bring on those idiots, we'll show'em how a Jew fights in the name of Hashem!
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Jan 04, 2009 at 06:41 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Wish I would have been there. Bring on those idiots, we'll show'em how a Jew fights in the name of Hashem! ”
find out when the next rally will take place and attend. show everyone how you flex those muscles!!
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Jan 04, 2009 at 07:28 PM john Says:
it is time to destroy the precedent that went on in fort loauderdale you all better fight and get arrested if u must
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Jan 04, 2009 at 07:04 PM Anonymous Says:
We are not from Eisav. We do not fight with our hands to prove a point. We have the Torah which guides us.
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Jan 04, 2009 at 07:04 PM Levy Says:
My chaver and I went to the rally at the Miami Beach Convention Center/Holocaust Memorial parking lot. There were only Yidden there becuase the Palestinians shifted their rally to the Israel Consulate in Downtown Miami, fifteen minutes south. The Miami Beach rally was excellent and filled with achdus and shirim. There were lots of young and old Yidden. It was so hot that we were so dehydrated we went to lunch and then were too tired to go to the downtown rally where all the action was. I am sure there will be more chances next week. The arabs are becomeing very active so I am sure they will hold more protests and now there will be lots interest. Yeah !!! We will definately go and protest there and call the arabs out for sure. May HKBH give Israel strength and bless Israel with Peace !!! Amen ! The Guardian of Israel doesn't slumber or sleep !!! Remember that...
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Jan 04, 2009 at 08:11 PM murray Says:
“ it is time to destroy the precedent that went on in fort loauderdale you all better fight and get arrested if u must ”
Arrested?- bad, bad option, No Bail for any Jew with ties (or feelings for) the Jewish state= "Escape Risk"
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Jan 04, 2009 at 09:03 PM Anonymous Says:
Jews don't use hands or fists. if they do, there's something wrong with their judaism.
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Jan 04, 2009 at 08:47 PM Avrohom Abba Says:
The best way to intimidate these pro terrorist punks and show offs (oh look how religious I am to help Islam) and punks, is to take them on with cameras. Yes, cameras!
Every time there is a pro Palestinian, or pro Hamas, or pro terrorism group, the Jewish people show up with video cameras and regular cameras and we just take photos and videos all the time. Later, we will gather the shots and keep a record of who shows up where, so we know exactly who is doing this. THey act like they don't care but hundreds of pictures and video will definitely bother them plenty. The police and OTHER agencies will want very much to look over the pictures we will present them with. They will actually thank us a lot!
So, please allow me to repeat this...we show up armed with cameras for photos, and cameras for videos, not as a scare tactic, but for real, and later we give copies of the pics to the right people for the right reasons. Thank you.
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Jan 04, 2009 at 10:10 PM Anonymous Says:
In New York on Shabbos no less, there were Neturei Karta members protesting along with Arabs, holding onto signs. I guess some things are more important than Shabbos.
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Jan 04, 2009 at 10:51 PM Anonymous Says:
“ In New York on Shabbos no less, there were Neturei Karta members protesting along with Arabs, holding onto signs. I guess some things are more important than Shabbos. ”
i know i saw that. i was so shocked. the news said it was because they are against the state of israel. its still so wrong to show up on the arab side especially on shabbas. i couldnt believe it
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Jan 04, 2009 at 10:42 PM Vos Hakstu? Says:
“ Jews don't use hands or fists. if they do, there's something wrong with their judaism. ”
If you don use your fists to in a case of self defense there is something wrong with your Judaism and your manhood!
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Jan 04, 2009 at 10:40 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Jews don't use hands or fists. if they do, there's something wrong with their judaism. ”
Yeah, I heard there was something wrong with the Judaism of Dovid Hamelech. Mistam he was a tzioni. He lived in Isreal, fought in the army of Shaul Hamelech, and he even used a MOGEN DOVID like they have on the tzioni flag.
And don't get me started on that no good son of his and that "sefer" shir hashirim he wrote.
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Jan 04, 2009 at 10:53 PM mnb Says:
I agree wholeheartedly with number 5. With fists is not the way to fight if fighting in the name of Hashem you are.
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Jan 04, 2009 at 11:03 PM mnb Says:
To number 13- Who are you to compare this dor to that of Dovid Hamelech. Oh, yiridas hadoros doesn't apply by you.
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Jan 04, 2009 at 10:59 PM Anonymous Says:
“ i know i saw that. i was so shocked. the news said it was because they are against the state of israel. its still so wrong to show up on the arab side especially on shabbas. i couldnt believe it ”
And carrying the signs, too! On Shabbos?!!?!?!
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Jan 04, 2009 at 11:29 PM Chanukah Fighting.... Says:
“ I agree wholeheartedly with number 5. With fists is not the way to fight if fighting in the name of Hashem you are. ”
The Chashmonaim FOUGHT TO VICTORY against the syrian-greeks; Dovid Hamelech, Moshe Rabeinu, Yehoshua, Shimshon Hagibor -- all fought (when necessary).So did Shimon and Levi -- to stick up for their Sister Dina and Avraham to save Lot. People REALLY need to learn more Nach-which are FULL of war stories- AND STOP perpetuating the STEREOTYPE of the Ghetto Jew who cannot fight C"V. GO ISRAEL!!!!!
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Jan 04, 2009 at 11:27 PM Anonymous Says:
No fists, No Fighting??
No where does it say not to protect oneself - Judaism does not have a concept of turn the other cheek. And the Gmara is clear - we are NOT to actively attack non-jews - it is a mistranslation to accept that we should not defend ourselves.
If someone comes to kill you - you are obliged to try and kill him!!!
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Jan 04, 2009 at 11:57 PM Anonymous Says:
“ And carrying the signs, too! On Shabbos?!!?!?! ”
Hey, encouraging the enemies of klal yisroel is bad enough. I can't believe they would go so far as to use the Manhattan eruv.
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Jan 05, 2009 at 03:28 AM Anonymous Says:
everybody stay home and say tehillim or learn TALMIDEI CHACHAMIM MARBIM SHALOM BEOLOM" not old grannys or young jewish activist in a rally that doesnt help anyway
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Jan 05, 2009 at 01:45 AM Anonymous Says:
We have to get our elected officials to investigate the rally organizers if they are supporting terror illigaly ie funding terror organizations.
Durring the crownhights riots the chabad rebbe told told us to focus on our strength of complaining to officials rather than using our hands. He quated the posuk "hacol col yakov, vhayodayim yidai Eisov".
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Jan 05, 2009 at 01:17 AM Anonymous Says:
“ The best way to intimidate these pro terrorist punks and show offs (oh look how religious I am to help Islam) and punks, is to take them on with cameras. Yes, cameras!
Every time there is a pro Palestinian, or pro Hamas, or pro terrorism group, the Jewish people show up with video cameras and regular cameras and we just take photos and videos all the time. Later, we will gather the shots and keep a record of who shows up where, so we know exactly who is doing this. THey act like they don't care but hundreds of pictures and video will definitely bother them plenty. The police and OTHER agencies will want very much to look over the pictures we will present them with. They will actually thank us a lot!
So, please allow me to repeat this...we show up armed with cameras for photos, and cameras for videos, not as a scare tactic, but for real, and later we give copies of the pics to the right people for the right reasons. Thank you. ”
very good point!! it certainly cannot hurt and most likely will help.
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Jan 05, 2009 at 01:03 AM Israelmyhome Says:
“ Hey, encouraging the enemies of klal yisroel is bad enough. I can't believe they would go so far as to use the Manhattan eruv. ”
i think it was in DC though
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Jan 05, 2009 at 07:53 AM Anonymous Says:
another good reason to have camaras at those arabs rallys
if one of those run for president of america we will be able to look up his history
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Jan 05, 2009 at 10:24 AM murray Says:
“ another good reason to have camaras at those arabs rallys
if one of those run for president of america we will be able to look up his history ”
Obama's history stinks. McCains history is sterling..............so much for importance of history.
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Jan 05, 2009 at 11:51 AM simon Says:
today at 12.30 dov hikind will be heading a gathering to show our support for eretz yisroel whoever can come please do so at 1st av & 47 st hoping to see a great turnout
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Jan 05, 2009 at 12:43 PM Anonymous Says:
“ everybody stay home and say tehillim or learn TALMIDEI CHACHAMIM MARBIM SHALOM BEOLOM" not old grannys or young jewish activist in a rally that doesnt help anyway ”
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Today at 11:51 AM simon Says:
today at 12.30 dov hikind will be heading a gathering to show our support for eretz yisroel whoever can come please do so at 1st av & 47 st hoping to see a great turnout
oich mir achuchem
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Jan 05, 2009 at 03:35 PM k Says:
Having been at both rallies, let me just say, organization is important to stay on track. Those that want to pursue their own agenda and let the other side "aggessive " behavior come out, dont use us to pursue your outcomes! The other side seems to be getting more media savey. This time they had several large American flags. There also was a clergy like individual going among them to keep them calm, when tensions would flair.I was grateful the media concentrated on their agressivness. We send a loud statement by showing up in numbers. Dont scare our members away by making this into, lets let it show how agressive they can be, type of rally. As I saw in the City of Miami, you can not count on the police to be pro active. There was more they could have done to keep things from escalating. But that is another topic. We just cant count on that and have to have a common agenda, not a rally to bring out the "worst" in the other side. We are there to make a statement, show our support of Israel, America, and our fight against the "beasts". Stand strong, stand united, behave in a way that shows our inherent goodness, have Hashem on our side, and may Israel complete its mission soon and all of its citizens live a life of calm.
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Jan 05, 2009 at 05:26 PM armyboy Says:
i was there the entire time and the truth is that its very important for all jews and other pro israel people to show up because at one point we were very well out numbered and it kinda made us look weak as a nation who should all stand together!!!
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Jan 05, 2009 at 05:13 PM Cindy Says:
“ Who started the fight? Sounds to me that the police arrested some from both sides just to show "fairness" If the one side started the fighting ( Israeli, or the Palestinians), that's where the arrests should have been made. I hope there is good solid video available. We are a nation of laws- both sides have equal rights to voice their opinions, just keep your hands to yourself. ”
I was there. The Palestinian supporters kept crossing the street to start with the Israeli supporters. Initially the police simply escorted them back. The police would not allow the Israeli supporters to so much as set foot in the street. The Palestinian supporters became more and more violent each time they came over. All Israel supporters were acting on the defense including my 69 year old father who was called a "fucking Jew", given the finger and spat at by a drive by. When he slapped the man, HE was arrested and the anti-semite was allowed to press charges. The biased behavior of the Miami Police was apparent until the Palestinian supporters began attacking them as well! A little taste of what Israelis go through daily...
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Jan 05, 2009 at 07:23 PM Anonymous Says:
“ very good point!! it certainly cannot hurt and most likely will help. ”
and what are you going to do with the pictures of the neturei karta that show up in solidarity of their muslim brothers ?
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Jan 06, 2009 at 12:02 AM Anonymous Says:
“ it is time to destroy the precedent that went on in fort loauderdale you all better fight and get arrested if u must ”
Unfortunately if we advocate the denial of free speech for one group, it will eventually be used only against Jews. That's what happens when Jews rely on secular governmants and secular laws. Jews have one protector. If we forget about him, the entire Israeli army cannot help us. If you want proof, go to Ashkelon.
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Jan 06, 2009 at 12:07 AM Anonymous Says:
“ The Chashmonaim FOUGHT TO VICTORY against the syrian-greeks; Dovid Hamelech, Moshe Rabeinu, Yehoshua, Shimshon Hagibor -- all fought (when necessary).So did Shimon and Levi -- to stick up for their Sister Dina and Avraham to save Lot. People REALLY need to learn more Nach-which are FULL of war stories- AND STOP perpetuating the STEREOTYPE of the Ghetto Jew who cannot fight C"V. GO ISRAEL!!!!! ”
I whole heartedly agree. People need to learn Tanach with the meforshim or they will be as misguided as you are.
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Jan 06, 2009 at 12:05 AM Anonymous Says:
“ i know i saw that. i was so shocked. the news said it was because they are against the state of israel. its still so wrong to show up on the arab side especially on shabbas. i couldnt believe it ”
Don' try to make them look like shkutzim. Just for the record, they usually have mechitzas (police barricades) around them. The barracides are ten tefuchim tall and the signs are not muktsa so from a Shabbos point of view it was not assur. Political acumen is another story....