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Manchester, UK - Yeshiva Lecturer in Court for Supplying Cocaine

Published on: January 9, 2009 12:14 PM
By: Manchester Evening News
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Manchester, UK - A lecturer has appeared in court charged with supplying cocaine.

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Baruch Chalomish, 54, of Upper Park Road, Salford, was arrested after a police raid at a flat in Shudehill.
It is alleged that officers seized cocaine worth £3,000, as well as £2,000 in cash and several items of drug paraphernalia.

Mr Chalomish has taught at Jewish places of study known as Yeshivas.

He pleaded not guilty and was granted bail with conditions to reappear on February 18 for committal to the crown court.

District judge Wendy Lloyd imposed a 7pm to 7am curfew and ordered him to surrender his passport and report three times a week to police in Salford.

Co-accused Nasir Abbas, also 54 and living in a flat in Shudehill, appeared separately. He was refused bail until the same date.



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1

 Jan 09, 2009 at 12:27 PM Anonymous Says:

wow wow wow

2

 Jan 09, 2009 at 12:26 PM Anonymous Says:

IF AND IF IF IF this is true this guy should go to jail for a long time. Lets not hear one person defend creeps that kill other people by supplying them with ILLEGAL DRUGS.

3

 Jan 09, 2009 at 12:30 PM Anonymous Says:

what subjects was he teaching

4

 Jan 09, 2009 at 12:35 PM Mandel Says:

This is crazy. There are some people who are really addicted. Why should they have to go to prison for a sickness?

5

 Jan 09, 2009 at 12:45 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
Mandel Says:

This is crazy. There are some people who are really addicted. Why should they have to go to prison for a sickness?

You have to try it first in order to become addicted

6

 Jan 09, 2009 at 12:43 PM Anonymous Says:

"Co-accused Nasir Abbas" ...

see what it takes for a yid and an arab to make sholom?

7

 Jan 09, 2009 at 12:40 PM Anonymous Says:

Chalomish lemaynoi moyim

8

 Jan 09, 2009 at 12:36 PM Anonymous Says:

If this is the man I know from my Yeshiva days in Manchester, then he was a tzadik of a yid, and this is totally out of character. I would let the smoke clear before drawing conclusions.

9

 Jan 09, 2009 at 12:58 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
Anonymous Says:

If this is the man I know from my Yeshiva days in Manchester, then he was a tzadik of a yid, and this is totally out of character. I would let the smoke clear before drawing conclusions.

GUESS U REALLY DIDNT KNOW HIM OR AS YOU SAID "WAS A TZADIK OF A YID" PAST TENSE

10

 Jan 09, 2009 at 12:56 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
Anonymous Says:

If this is the man I know from my Yeshiva days in Manchester, then he was a tzadik of a yid, and this is totally out of character. I would let the smoke clear before drawing conclusions.

Is this a vague attempt at sarcasm, with the 'smoke" comment?

11

 Jan 09, 2009 at 01:05 PM chumra Says:

so - no hechsger needed -taken trough the nose is not derech achila

12

 Jan 09, 2009 at 01:04 PM yossi Says:

Let's start all the 'kaf zechus' stuff OK ,,,, now

13

 Jan 09, 2009 at 01:25 PM The Truth Says:

He is not the sick one with an illness, he is the sick one giving everyone else he supplies the drugs to, the illness. That is why drug dealers go to prison. As for being addictive - people do it for the money - that is what he (and everyone else nowadays it seems) is addicted to - money.

14

 Jan 09, 2009 at 01:21 PM Anonymous Says:

To #4:
Suppling and using are not the same. Many suppliers won't touch the stuff.

15

 Jan 09, 2009 at 01:21 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #12  
yossi Says:

Let's start all the 'kaf zechus' stuff OK ,,,, now

What is with some of you commentators.

Innocent until proven guilty is even the refrain in the USA.

All of you wanting to tar and feather this guy before the evidence or facts are in are violating American jurispudence and more importantly our heilegeh Torah.

Shame on #2 and shame on you Yossi.

Yes, we must be more vigilant. We live in terrible times but just because of the Japan story but lets not become hysterical until we know the truth, the whole truth.

So help us all H-shem that we should know when to be mechabeid when to be choshed and when to be quiet.

16

 Jan 09, 2009 at 01:20 PM Use Your Head Says:

Cocaine tihyeh lanu?

17

 Jan 09, 2009 at 01:11 PM Bugsy Siegel Says:

What is with the British Jews and cocaine? After all, what do you expect when you live in the cocaine capital of the world (London)?

18

 Jan 09, 2009 at 01:38 PM miami yid Says:

Reply to #17  
Bugsy Siegel Says:

What is with the British Jews and cocaine? After all, what do you expect when you live in the cocaine capital of the world (London)?

i'm sorry, but that would be miami.

19

 Jan 09, 2009 at 01:50 PM toirah's de ikkar Says:

hey man really dude whatever it takes 2 keep the bachurim into it maan

20

 Jan 09, 2009 at 01:48 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #18  
miami yid Says:

i'm sorry, but that would be miami.

You better be sorry because it's columbia

21

 Jan 09, 2009 at 02:25 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
Anonymous Says:

If this is the man I know from my Yeshiva days in Manchester, then he was a tzadik of a yid, and this is totally out of character. I would let the smoke clear before drawing conclusions.

Which Yeshiva did he teach...I spent two years there and I dont remember him...?

22

 Jan 09, 2009 at 02:48 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #4  
Mandel Says:

This is crazy. There are some people who are really addicted. Why should they have to go to prison for a sickness?

Addiction to SUPPLYING cocaine???
That is a new one.

23

 Jan 09, 2009 at 02:45 PM O not U, or is it OU Says:

Reply to #20  
Anonymous Says:

You better be sorry because it's columbia

I went to that university, and while there was (and still is) plenty of drug use there, I doubt it is the world's cocaine use capital.

Unless you're referring to the South American country, in which case...see my name...

(:-)

24

 Jan 09, 2009 at 02:45 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

what subjects was he teaching

Chemistry?

25

 Jan 09, 2009 at 02:55 PM Anonymous Says:

I've personally been told by a rov that one who supplies drugs to bochrim is a rodaif and should be reported to the police and the rov went so far as to say in front of his own bochrim that he would make the call to report to the police himself b'sha'as maiseh if he knew when and where it was happening.

26

 Jan 09, 2009 at 02:50 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

Is this a vague attempt at sarcasm, with the 'smoke" comment?

Cocaine is usually not smoked.

27

 Jan 09, 2009 at 03:11 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #17  
Bugsy Siegel Says:

What is with the British Jews and cocaine? After all, what do you expect when you live in the cocaine capital of the world (London)?

This was in Manchester- quite a distance and light years from London

28

 Jan 09, 2009 at 03:07 PM Anonymous Says:

I knew this man in yeshiva. Unfortunately when his first wife was niftar about 12 yrs ago he became very depressed. This does not mean he is guilty. The sheygetz could have used him unknowingly. This happens.

29

 Jan 09, 2009 at 03:01 PM Anonymous Says:

did he teach in yeshiva shaarei torah? that's on 40 upper park rd.

30

 Jan 09, 2009 at 03:32 PM Anonymous Says:

he taught in many schools, was a very caring and sweet man and good teacher, something must of happened that he ended up here. i know his wife passed away some years ago.

31

 Jan 09, 2009 at 03:45 PM Anonymous Says:

lets wait to hear the story...it could have been a set up

32

 Jan 09, 2009 at 03:43 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

Is this a vague attempt at sarcasm, with the 'smoke" comment?

Cocaine is not smoked. You should research facts before you make poor attempts at humor.

33

 Jan 09, 2009 at 04:03 PM Cynic Says:

Reply to #30  
Anonymous Says:

he taught in many schools, was a very caring and sweet man and good teacher, something must of happened that he ended up here. i know his wife passed away some years ago.

From a drug overdose?

34

 Jan 09, 2009 at 04:00 PM bigwheeel Says:

Reply to #4  
Mandel Says:

This is crazy. There are some people who are really addicted. Why should they have to go to prison for a sickness?

...If the sickness or illness doesn't affect (or pervert) other people, then, that person should not be imprisoned for being sick. But if it corrupts the moral and health of others, especially minors, they should be punished to the full extent of the law!!!

35

 Jan 09, 2009 at 04:32 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #29  
Anonymous Says:

did he teach in yeshiva shaarei torah? that's on 40 upper park rd.

I remember when his wife died after a sudden illness a while back. Beautiful kids, and he seemed to be a true ehrliche yid. However the truth turns out to be, he is worthy of our duty to love a fellow yid, in good times and bad.

36

 Jan 09, 2009 at 05:49 PM Ehrliche Yid?? New Definition?? Says:

Reply to #35  
Anonymous Says:

I remember when his wife died after a sudden illness a while back. Beautiful kids, and he seemed to be a true ehrliche yid. However the truth turns out to be, he is worthy of our duty to love a fellow yid, in good times and bad.

#35. The same term , "Erliche Yid" was/is used over and over also regarding Rubashkin. Do Ehrliche Yidden deal drugs and/or commit document fraud, bank fraud, etc, ???
Maybe we need a new definition of "Ehrliche Yid".

37

 Jan 09, 2009 at 05:47 PM What to Do??? Says:

Reply to #35  
Anonymous Says:

I remember when his wife died after a sudden illness a while back. Beautiful kids, and he seemed to be a true ehrliche yid. However the truth turns out to be, he is worthy of our duty to love a fellow yid, in good times and bad.

#35 From what I understand, VeAhafta LeReiecha Kamocha only applies to someone who is your "Reiecha". Certain aveiros committed by a Yid (like being Mechalel Shabbas), disqualify one from consideration as a Reiecha and therefore one is not obligated to love him. Perhaps though, one can go beyond the letter of the law (lifnei meshuras hadin) and love him anyway, but it might not be required....

There is also the issue of protecting others-- Al Taamod as Dam Reiecha... and so turning him (and child molesters, etc.) in IS A HALACHIC REQUIREMENT and not just optional.... this is what I have been told.

At the minimum we can "dan lekav schus" like many on VIN do/did for Rubashkin... but not, for reasons not clear to me, to Madoff. To me, it's TOTALLY INCONSISTENT (and was/is done ostensibly because Madoff isn't as "frum" as Rubashkin.... Is this a valid reason to NOT dan l'kav schus on Madoff???)

Good Shabbas.... and for those of you reading this after Shabbas .... A Git Voch :>

38

 Jan 09, 2009 at 04:38 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #32  
Anonymous Says:

Cocaine is not smoked. You should research facts before you make poor attempts at humor.

Er..crack is smoked.....(buncha squares;)

39

 Jan 10, 2009 at 07:37 PM Bugsy Siegel Says:

Reply to #38  
Anonymous Says:

Er..crack is smoked.....(buncha squares;)

He is right. Crack cocaine is the smokable form. It is made by mixing cocaine with a base. Look it up on wikipedia if you like. Don't jump to conclusions guys, especially if you are not an expert in the subject matter.

40

 Jan 10, 2009 at 07:16 PM Anonymous Says:

"Charged with" doesn't mean he's guilty of it. Please give the man his "innocent until proven guilty." Why are you all so quick to condemn?

41

 Jan 10, 2009 at 06:59 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #37  
What to Do??? Says:

#35 From what I understand, VeAhafta LeReiecha Kamocha only applies to someone who is your "Reiecha". Certain aveiros committed by a Yid (like being Mechalel Shabbas), disqualify one from consideration as a Reiecha and therefore one is not obligated to love him. Perhaps though, one can go beyond the letter of the law (lifnei meshuras hadin) and love him anyway, but it might not be required....

There is also the issue of protecting others-- Al Taamod as Dam Reiecha... and so turning him (and child molesters, etc.) in IS A HALACHIC REQUIREMENT and not just optional.... this is what I have been told.

At the minimum we can "dan lekav schus" like many on VIN do/did for Rubashkin... but not, for reasons not clear to me, to Madoff. To me, it's TOTALLY INCONSISTENT (and was/is done ostensibly because Madoff isn't as "frum" as Rubashkin.... Is this a valid reason to NOT dan l'kav schus on Madoff???)

Good Shabbas.... and for those of you reading this after Shabbas .... A Git Voch :>

do some research before you make a bigger of yourself . Reiacha does not mean davka your friend .

42

 Jan 10, 2009 at 08:02 PM Anonymous Says:

I knew this man VERY well. I spent numerous hours in his home, I was good friends with one of the kids. I use the past tense because I moved out of England many years ago. I knew him as a fun, spontaneous loving father, and adoring husband. He unfortunately, as already commented went through a traumatic sudden loss of his beloved wife, an exceptional woman. He underwent a dramatic change emotionally almost immediately. I've always suspected him of suffering from severe depression. Trust me that Manchester is light years away from acknowledging that emotional health requires professional treatment.
I do not know what he has done and offer no opinion on his behaviour or acquaintances. I do not condone doing or dealing drugs but I will say one thing; He is an unfortunate soul who has suffered immensely and my heart goes out to him, and his children who have suffered enough for almost fifteen years.
My T'fillos will be for his three children that once again they be given the strength to deal with a public blow without any parental love or support. Your mother A"H and her firm Emuna is with you now.

43

 Jan 10, 2009 at 08:20 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #37  
What to Do??? Says:

#35 From what I understand, VeAhafta LeReiecha Kamocha only applies to someone who is your "Reiecha". Certain aveiros committed by a Yid (like being Mechalel Shabbas), disqualify one from consideration as a Reiecha and therefore one is not obligated to love him. Perhaps though, one can go beyond the letter of the law (lifnei meshuras hadin) and love him anyway, but it might not be required....

There is also the issue of protecting others-- Al Taamod as Dam Reiecha... and so turning him (and child molesters, etc.) in IS A HALACHIC REQUIREMENT and not just optional.... this is what I have been told.

At the minimum we can "dan lekav schus" like many on VIN do/did for Rubashkin... but not, for reasons not clear to me, to Madoff. To me, it's TOTALLY INCONSISTENT (and was/is done ostensibly because Madoff isn't as "frum" as Rubashkin.... Is this a valid reason to NOT dan l'kav schus on Madoff???)

Good Shabbas.... and for those of you reading this after Shabbas .... A Git Voch :>

Reiecha - hmmm - makes me wonder what you think of yourself.
As far as I know, most of us have our own sins that we do and therefore cannot compare ourselves to others and say I am better than him.....

44

 Jan 10, 2009 at 09:04 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #39  
Bugsy Siegel Says:

He is right. Crack cocaine is the smokable form. It is made by mixing cocaine with a base. Look it up on wikipedia if you like. Don't jump to conclusions guys, especially if you are not an expert in the subject matter.

As post #26 wrote, cocaine is USUALLY not smoked.

45

 Jan 10, 2009 at 09:06 PM Parent Says:

My son is in Yeshiva in Manchester, But WHICH yeshiva did this guy teach in?

46

 Jan 10, 2009 at 09:35 PM Anonymous Says:

As an addiction professional, let me chime in with some info.

Cocaine can be ingested in several ways. It can be used intravenously (IV) by injection. It can be taken as powder and snorted through the nose. It can also be smoked. Crack is the version of it that is combined with a base (alkali), but it can be smoked without the base combination. The reason that some prefer to smoke it is because the “hit” comes sooner because of quicker absorption and it reaches the brain faster.

I had a neighbor a block away who was a known drug dealer. I asked a Dayan whether there was a heter to report him to authorities. The answer – it’s a mitzvah. For that matter, he said that according to halacha, I would be permitted to murder him, which would also be a mitzvah, but that this is only not recommended because the secular law would be more conservative about that.

As for the “sick” aspect, this pertains to the drug use. I actually prefer when the addicts I treat have legal problems and are facing charges in secular court. This provides the leverage needed to keep them in treatment. My effort is to have the treatment mandated by the court, and that this substitutes for the other consequences (jail). One can treat drug addiction. One cannot treat drug dealing. That is a crime, and the dealer is a rodeif in every sense. Let him sit. I pay very little attention to the depression issue, though he deserves whatever treatment for that is available. But this is not a reason to exonerate him from the charges of drug dealing, potentially causing danger and death to countless people.

47

 Jan 11, 2009 at 12:31 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #15  
Anonymous Says:

What is with some of you commentators.

Innocent until proven guilty is even the refrain in the USA.

All of you wanting to tar and feather this guy before the evidence or facts are in are violating American jurispudence and more importantly our heilegeh Torah.

Shame on #2 and shame on you Yossi.

Yes, we must be more vigilant. We live in terrible times but just because of the Japan story but lets not become hysterical until we know the truth, the whole truth.

So help us all H-shem that we should know when to be mechabeid when to be choshed and when to be quiet.

Very well said!! BTW even if he is guilty we should still have rachmanus on any yid who is that sick!!

48

 Jan 11, 2009 at 12:16 AM bigwheeel Says:

Reply to #46  
Anonymous Says:

As an addiction professional, let me chime in with some info.

Cocaine can be ingested in several ways. It can be used intravenously (IV) by injection. It can be taken as powder and snorted through the nose. It can also be smoked. Crack is the version of it that is combined with a base (alkali), but it can be smoked without the base combination. The reason that some prefer to smoke it is because the “hit” comes sooner because of quicker absorption and it reaches the brain faster.

I had a neighbor a block away who was a known drug dealer. I asked a Dayan whether there was a heter to report him to authorities. The answer – it’s a mitzvah. For that matter, he said that according to halacha, I would be permitted to murder him, which would also be a mitzvah, but that this is only not recommended because the secular law would be more conservative about that.

As for the “sick” aspect, this pertains to the drug use. I actually prefer when the addicts I treat have legal problems and are facing charges in secular court. This provides the leverage needed to keep them in treatment. My effort is to have the treatment mandated by the court, and that this substitutes for the other consequences (jail). One can treat drug addiction. One cannot treat drug dealing. That is a crime, and the dealer is a rodeif in every sense. Let him sit. I pay very little attention to the depression issue, though he deserves whatever treatment for that is available. But this is not a reason to exonerate him from the charges of drug dealing, potentially causing danger and death to countless people.

...I'm only commenting on the First line in the second paragraph of your post. ..."It can be used intravenously (IV) by injection". That's [almost] like saying "It's deja vue all over again" (A redundancy, attributed, variously to Leo Du Rocher or Yogi Berra)!!!

49

 Jan 11, 2009 at 12:35 AM bigwheeel Says:

Reply to #46  
Anonymous Says:

As an addiction professional, let me chime in with some info.

Cocaine can be ingested in several ways. It can be used intravenously (IV) by injection. It can be taken as powder and snorted through the nose. It can also be smoked. Crack is the version of it that is combined with a base (alkali), but it can be smoked without the base combination. The reason that some prefer to smoke it is because the “hit” comes sooner because of quicker absorption and it reaches the brain faster.

I had a neighbor a block away who was a known drug dealer. I asked a Dayan whether there was a heter to report him to authorities. The answer – it’s a mitzvah. For that matter, he said that according to halacha, I would be permitted to murder him, which would also be a mitzvah, but that this is only not recommended because the secular law would be more conservative about that.

As for the “sick” aspect, this pertains to the drug use. I actually prefer when the addicts I treat have legal problems and are facing charges in secular court. This provides the leverage needed to keep them in treatment. My effort is to have the treatment mandated by the court, and that this substitutes for the other consequences (jail). One can treat drug addiction. One cannot treat drug dealing. That is a crime, and the dealer is a rodeif in every sense. Let him sit. I pay very little attention to the depression issue, though he deserves whatever treatment for that is available. But this is not a reason to exonerate him from the charges of drug dealing, potentially causing danger and death to countless people.

Just to elaborate on what you're saying in the Third paragraph. Maimonides,The Ramba"m states; הרודף מצילין אותו בנפשו Meaning that anyone who jeopardizes individual or public safety is considered (through Moral Equivalence, which is not a negative concept in and of itself) a "Rodef", or "Pursuer", who pursues with the intent to do bodily harm. Should be stopped at any cost, including killing him. Of course, in Modern times, when we have an established Justice system, the proper thing to do, is reporting to the authorities!!!

50

 Jan 11, 2009 at 05:26 AM Hashem Yeracheim Says:

It does not say anywhere in this news item that he is even accused of supplying or notifying any students that he was in the possession of this substance. Please read it again. He is being accused of possession. which is currently illegal. Possession does not make a person a rodef. Supplying, or even encouraging cocaine use, would probably qualify on some level.

One more point. there are bochurim that are addicted to controlled substances, and a sensitive Rabbi may have picked up on it. there is a method of detoxing that uses the idea of de-sensitization. In order to do this, there would have to be some of the substance available.

As a person who suffered terrible depression after an abusive marriage, I can say that there was a point where I understood why people use drugs and alcohol. I had access to excellent therapy, and any antidepressant on the market. They didn't help. I was in deep, deep emotional pain, and griefstricken over the loss of my dreams,and riddled with self-recrimination and guilt. It took an incredibly strong and emotionally open Rav, and years of supportive counseling for me to re-group enough to get back on my feet.

If, as his friends say here, he is an intellingent, caring man... what he needs now is for those very friends to contact him, and find out what the story is. Give your friend a chance to tell his side... if you want the Ribono Shel Olam to hear your side.

51

 Jan 11, 2009 at 05:24 AM zev from manchester Says:

Idon't know the fellow concerned,but Ido happen to know that there is a growing drug problem in the Jewish areas of Manchester for some time now,particularly cannabis(pot)

52

 Jan 11, 2009 at 02:53 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #42  
Anonymous Says:

I knew this man VERY well. I spent numerous hours in his home, I was good friends with one of the kids. I use the past tense because I moved out of England many years ago. I knew him as a fun, spontaneous loving father, and adoring husband. He unfortunately, as already commented went through a traumatic sudden loss of his beloved wife, an exceptional woman. He underwent a dramatic change emotionally almost immediately. I've always suspected him of suffering from severe depression. Trust me that Manchester is light years away from acknowledging that emotional health requires professional treatment.
I do not know what he has done and offer no opinion on his behaviour or acquaintances. I do not condone doing or dealing drugs but I will say one thing; He is an unfortunate soul who has suffered immensely and my heart goes out to him, and his children who have suffered enough for almost fifteen years.
My T'fillos will be for his three children that once again they be given the strength to deal with a public blow without any parental love or support. Your mother A"H and her firm Emuna is with you now.

They may have no parental support but they have a LOT of family and friend support. The family is working hard and intensely behind the scenes to see what can be done to help Boruch. Certain members of the family are busy day and night and they would appreciate this Loshon Horah about him would be stopped. He has NOT been proven to be a supplier. This is, at this stage, merely supposition on behalf of the police. Think about what you are saying before blasting him with accusations that are unproven.

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 Jan 11, 2009 at 08:09 AM zev from manchester Says:

I found out that he didn't teach in yeshiva,but in the Jewish day school,now known as Yesoiday Hatorah,what you in USA may call a yeshiva,but what we call a school.The have also raided a number of so called "cannabis farms"in the predominantly Jewish area of Prestwich,some were next door Jewish neighbors who were unaware of what was going on next door,the Manchester Jewish Telegraph reported on Friday that a lot of this cannabis is sold to local Jewish youth!Hashem yerachem.

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 Jan 11, 2009 at 09:37 AM Anonymous Says:

To #48 – yes, the line was a redundancy. I used it to insure that the reader who may not understand the term intravenous had another chance to understand through use of the word injection. At least my double talk was not conveying conflicting thoughts. And my sources credit Yogi Berra.

To #47, you have expressed my statement in your own words, and you did this well. While halacha has no problem with eliminating the rodeif, secular law has its issues with this. So reporting this is the preferred intervention. In this instance, the Assistant District Attorney who was in charge of drug offenses in the area was someone who was frum. He had been working at trying to get this dealer for years. As things went, the dealer left town, and the word on the street is that he has entered more legitimate business ventures. Frankly, I do not trust that, but he is no longer in town, and I have not spent much time in trying to trace his whereabouts.

55

 Jan 11, 2009 at 11:31 AM Mark Says:

I heard someone had a grudge against him so tried to get him into trouble. What evidence is there of any wrongdoing? None!

56

 Jan 11, 2009 at 12:28 PM Manchester Local Says:

I have lived in Manchester for years and can vouch that he is an ehrliche guy. His late wife, a true Tzadekes was niftar some years ago after a lengthy illness. It is not for us to jump in and judge him. He is innocent until proven otherwise and cetainly we need to dan lechaf zechus. Finally in terms of the rodeif issue there is absolutely no implication he supplied drugs at all, certainly not to Yidden - in fact this apartment where he was caught is not within or even particularly close to the 'Jewish neighborhoods of Manchester.

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 Jan 11, 2009 at 12:57 PM Anonymous Says:

It wasn't a lengthy illness. It was brief and cruel and killed her in 3 weeks from diagnosis.
I am convinced his problems started after he lost his wife. She was his rock. Until you have gone a mile in his shoes, no one should judge. He needs the family's support now, not judgment and harsh words.

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 Jan 11, 2009 at 04:44 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #25  
Anonymous Says:

I've personally been told by a rov that one who supplies drugs to bochrim is a rodaif and should be reported to the police and the rov went so far as to say in front of his own bochrim that he would make the call to report to the police himself b'sha'as maiseh if he knew when and where it was happening.

100% agree, but this guy is accused- not more. so don't label him as a rodef.

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 Jan 11, 2009 at 04:54 PM Anonymous Says:

Iknow him thru and thru. I ahve no doubt he was 'set up' by someone with a grudge. Maybe you 'Ta lmidei Chachomim' who have spoken about 'roidef' etc would like to tal;k a little about 'malshinim'. To all those who are so quick to talk about him as if already proven guilty, here's a sobering thought for you: 'be'midda she'odom moided...'

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 Jan 11, 2009 at 04:35 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

IF AND IF IF IF this is true this guy should go to jail for a long time. Lets not hear one person defend creeps that kill other people by supplying them with ILLEGAL DRUGS.

and IF it's not true, will you please say something nice!!

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 Jan 11, 2009 at 04:34 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

wow wow wow

You guys need 2 lessons:
1.learn how to read!- the article says 'it is ALLEGED'- so don't read it wrongly!
2. 'don le'kaf zechus'!!

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 Jan 11, 2009 at 09:39 PM bigwheeel Says:

Reply to #59  
Anonymous Says:

Iknow him thru and thru. I ahve no doubt he was 'set up' by someone with a grudge. Maybe you 'Ta lmidei Chachomim' who have spoken about 'roidef' etc would like to tal;k a little about 'malshinim'. To all those who are so quick to talk about him as if already proven guilty, here's a sobering thought for you: 'be'midda she'odom moided...'

The discussion about the term "Rodeif" was in reference to the therapist who mentioned that there was a Drug Dealer in his neighborhood a few years back. That label was not applied at all to the current case, which is, as you say only "Alleged", etc. !!!

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 Jan 12, 2009 at 06:28 AM Anonymous Says:

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Anonymous Says:

If this is the man I know from my Yeshiva days in Manchester, then he was a tzadik of a yid, and this is totally out of character. I would let the smoke clear before drawing conclusions.

Agree with you 100%. This is a Talmid Chochom muflag and a tzadik who has suffered much in his life. I do not believe the accusations at all. Remember that under the law in England and most of the civilised western world one is INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY!

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 Jan 12, 2009 at 04:40 AM Anonymous Says:

lets hope this 'not yet proven' story, will wake up Manchester to what is really happening to our future generation, and stop askonim burying their heads in the sand!!!

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 Jan 12, 2009 at 07:43 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #36  
Ehrliche Yid?? New Definition?? Says:

#35. The same term , "Erliche Yid" was/is used over and over also regarding Rubashkin. Do Ehrliche Yidden deal drugs and/or commit document fraud, bank fraud, etc, ???
Maybe we need a new definition of "Ehrliche Yid".

you certainly don't pass the description of ehrliche yied, whereas we can give him the benefit of doubt, as even the court hasn't ruled him guilty, you surely are guilty of enjoying another yieds downfall, and not being open to other ways of looking on this story.

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 Jan 12, 2009 at 07:36 PM anonymous Says:

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Anonymous Says:

GUESS U REALLY DIDNT KNOW HIM OR AS YOU SAID "WAS A TZADIK OF A YID" PAST TENSE

really? what about innocent until proven guilty? look at the diff, he was granted bail, the other one not, there must be a difference between the two! I don't know him, but i do know it takes nothing to incriminate others, so i hope that when you will be in trouble, others won't jump as quickly to conclusions as you did!

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 Jan 16, 2009 at 06:40 AM Anonymous Says:

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Anonymous Says:

did he teach in yeshiva shaarei torah? that's on 40 upper park rd.

no i'm a talmid of shaarei torah in recent years and i keep up with the place and he is not don't start slandering mekomois hakedoshim to satisfy your curiosity

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 Feb 04, 2009 at 05:01 AM Emma Says:

i am thinking about u always..... its so sad wot has happened .... i hope u get ur chin up .. u know where i am ..... xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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 Nov 19, 2009 at 05:04 AM Anonymous Says:

firstly the codefendant no showed but in a statement to the police Abbas said the flat was in his name and he was the dealer and that Chalomish did not sell the drugs

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 Nov 19, 2009 at 04:20 PM Estella Says:

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Anonymous Says:

wow wow wow

Of course, we should have sympathy for this rabbi, we should understand why all people, Jewish or otherwise, come unstuck. However, we should also acknowledge when things go wrong in the community and speak out in order to stop them.

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 Nov 19, 2009 at 04:15 PM estella Says:

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Anonymous Says:

wow wow wow

Let local rabbis come out with a condemnation of prostitution and massage parlours. We know religious Jews frequent these places. What is religion worth if the so called religious only concentrate on kosher food and we dont discuss a wider marality

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 Nov 19, 2009 at 04:41 PM estella Says:

Reply to #24  
Anonymous Says:

Chemistry?

Whats happened to Jewish morality. It wasnt only the coke, it was the girls who were being used as prostitutes, vulnerable drug addicts. We are supposed to be a light to the nations. How can we be that if morality only consists of having two kosher sinks, and we dont moderate our sexual behaviour.

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 Nov 19, 2009 at 05:26 PM estella Says:

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Anonymous Says:

"Co-accused Nasir Abbas" ...

see what it takes for a yid and an arab to make sholom?

at least, it was an interfaith dialogue

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 Nov 19, 2009 at 05:23 PM Anonymous Says:

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Hashem Yeracheim Says:

It does not say anywhere in this news item that he is even accused of supplying or notifying any students that he was in the possession of this substance. Please read it again. He is being accused of possession. which is currently illegal. Possession does not make a person a rodef. Supplying, or even encouraging cocaine use, would probably qualify on some level.

One more point. there are bochurim that are addicted to controlled substances, and a sensitive Rabbi may have picked up on it. there is a method of detoxing that uses the idea of de-sensitization. In order to do this, there would have to be some of the substance available.

As a person who suffered terrible depression after an abusive marriage, I can say that there was a point where I understood why people use drugs and alcohol. I had access to excellent therapy, and any antidepressant on the market. They didn't help. I was in deep, deep emotional pain, and griefstricken over the loss of my dreams,and riddled with self-recrimination and guilt. It took an incredibly strong and emotionally open Rav, and years of supportive counseling for me to re-group enough to get back on my feet.

If, as his friends say here, he is an intellingent, caring man... what he needs now is for those very friends to contact him, and find out what the story is. Give your friend a chance to tell his side... if you want the Ribono Shel Olam to hear your side.

One thing I do know is that cocaine is a very nasty substance and those who use it can become pretty objectionable. If he was using it, then someone who knew him should have picked up on changes in his character. The poor guy lost his wife, under really bad circumstances and I wonder what support he got from those who knew him to deal with his grief. Whatever the verdict, thats something to think about.

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 Nov 20, 2009 at 03:09 AM Moishe Says:

Reply to #40  
Anonymous Says:

"Charged with" doesn't mean he's guilty of it. Please give the man his "innocent until proven guilty." Why are you all so quick to condemn?

The sons of Eli Hacohen may have been innocent but were punished for just suspicion falling on them. The fact that they allowed themselves to be put in a position of suspicion made them culpable.

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 Dec 07, 2009 at 03:50 PM Anonymous Says:

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The Truth Says:

He is not the sick one with an illness, he is the sick one giving everyone else he supplies the drugs to, the illness. That is why drug dealers go to prison. As for being addictive - people do it for the money - that is what he (and everyone else nowadays it seems) is addicted to - money.

You write as though you bought the stuff from him - have you? If you remotely knew this person you would know that money is the last thing he needs. Don lekaf zechus is what you need to be - I know this person from childhood so if you want the thruth like you say you do dont go accusing people you DO NOT know. And as for the comment made above - YES he is tzadik a Yid and not supplying anything but torah to everyone arround him - people drown their sorrows for years in different ways - who are we to judge them on how?! The only person suffering from this I GUARANTEE is him, and all he ever GAVE TO OTHERS is peace and light!

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 Dec 07, 2009 at 03:54 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #72  
estella Says:

Whats happened to Jewish morality. It wasnt only the coke, it was the girls who were being used as prostitutes, vulnerable drug addicts. We are supposed to be a light to the nations. How can we be that if morality only consists of having two kosher sinks, and we dont moderate our sexual behaviour.

Married?? Divorced?? Single?? Over 40?? Ever been been alone?? Alone MAN for 14 years after a 20 year marriage?? Al todun es chavercho ad shetagia limkomo!!!!!!

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