Lausanne, Switzerland – European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg: Orthodox Jewish Movement Fanatical, Dangerous and Radical

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    European Court of Human Rights in FranceLausanne, Switzerland – The justices of the European Court of Human Rights believes that the Orthodox Jewish movements citing Chabad organization is “fanatical, dangerous and radical”, Arutz-7 reports.

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    The circumstances under which the European Court of Human Rights justices expressed their opinion of Orthodox Jews involved a question of a Chabad family of extradition where a mother who had kidnapped her child from Israel was appealing his extradition to Israel. The four-year old child’s father had become a Chabad chassid, and the mother claimed that contact with the father would endanger the child.

    Isabel Neulinger had hidden her child in the trunk of the car when she crossed Israel’s border by car to Taba in Egypt 3 years ago. She took a flight in Egypt to Europe to distant her child from her former husband.

    Israeli courts ruled that she Mrs. Neulinger had kidnapped the child and even issued an arrest order against her for the kidnapping.

    After Israel demanded the extradition of the child, the mother appealed to the European Court of Human Rights to retain her child in Switzerland, claiming that Chabad was a dangerous and fanatic ultra-Orthodox movement, and if her son returns to Israel, his life will be in danger.

    Mrs. Neulinger was citing which, for example, women must cover their hair and boys should be sent as early as three years in religious schools called “Heder”.

    She also claimed that the Swiss authorities violated her family rights according to Clause 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights. Since over two years had passed since the kidnapping, the child would suffer trauma if he would be returned to his country of origin.The mother’s claims were bolstered by a Swiss psychologist who wrote a professional opinion that the child’s emotional and physical well-being would be endangered by contact with the father.

    After over a year of deliberations, the European justices ruled 4 to 3 to return the child to Israel. Although the majority of the justices agreed that Chabad is a dangerous, fanatical movement, the majority claimed that Israeli authorities would protect the child from harm.

    Austrian justice Elisabeth Steiner, who wrote the minority opinion, snobbishly stated, “How can we as judges permit a child to be sent away from Europe to countries who do not share our European values?”

    Russian justice Antoly Kovler, also in the minority, said that the father had not proved that he lacked the means to visit his son in Switzerland, and it is anyway sufficient to keep in contact through email and the Internet. Luxembourg justice Shpielman claimed that as long as the mother has physical rights, even if both shared custody over the child, the mother had the right to decide where she wanted to live and the Hague Convention against kidnapping children did not apply.

    Agreeing that Chabad was a dangerous group, the justices from Greece, Cyprus, Norway and Switzerland said that Ms. Neulinger’s lawsuit was justified. Nevertheless, since the mother had lived 6 years in Israel, they assumed she would be able to deal with life in Israel in the future. They furthermore claimed that the state would protect her from the designs of the fanatical father, so her right to a normal family life would not be compromised.

    The father’s case was represented by Atty. Moshe Zingel, who traveled many times to Strasbourg despite taking the case pro bono. “About the father’s right for ‘normal family life’ with his kidnapped child for the past three years, they had nothing to say,” Zingel said. He added that part of the reason why the child was such a long time in Europe was because the court case had dragged on for a year and 3 months.

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    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    I think the judges are right we live in afanatical world but every one has a choice if you don’t like the lifestyle leave

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    An Austrian judge saying that Frum Yidden don’t share ‘European values’- I wonder what she’s so proud of. Maybe she’s upset we don’t turn people into lampshades and bars of soap like her parents did.

    deepthinker
    deepthinker
    15 years ago

    …And the judges forgot to add that Lubavitch Jews have horns on their head, and they kidnap and slaughter Christian children to use their blood in the manufacture of Matzos for Passover.

    The Blood Libel lives in Europe.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    I have this feeling this ruling will not be replicated if it involved, say, an Islamic group……I think political correctness doesn’t apply when dealing with orthodox Jews.
    And people wonder why we don’t trust international/European rights groups…..

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    Just another rant by a bunch of antisemitim dressed up in Judges robes…while the issue of parental “kidnapping” is always a tragedy irrespective of which way it goes, inject such venom into the case was a mistake. Similiar cases have been raised by chasidish parents worried about litvatish parents taking the child away and vise versa. The real victims are the children.

    david
    david
    15 years ago

    Let’s see:
    1) They want their own flights on El Al
    2) Separate seating on buses
    3) No bike riders going through their neighborhoods
    4) Women cannot drive (in some yeshivas even men cannot have driver’s licenses
    5) They attack young girls for appearing to talk to boys
    6)Vaad hatzinius attacks women
    7) Restrict certain neighborhood activities and signs (although it is public property)
    8) Attack other from Jews
    .9) Separate seating at all events even outdoors
    10) etc. etc.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    I have to say this story annoys me to no end-I might not be so religious anymore but the self righteous attitude of these ‘Justices’ upsets me -this ignorance should be condemned by everyone……

    Shmuel
    Shmuel
    15 years ago

    Why is chabbad a fanatic group? How are they different then any other ultra orthodox group(in the non jewish world [not to say that they are diffrent])
    This claim that they are fanatic is racism and all frum jews should be concerned about this

    Charlie Hall
    Charlie Hall
    15 years ago

    Back in the 1840s an American travelled to Israel and converted to Judaism. He returned to Philadelphia to formally divorce his non-Jewish wife, sell his property, and otherwise clear up his affairs so that he could return to Eretz Yisrael for good. The Orthodox (Sefardic) community in Philadelphia accepted him as a Jew, but his wife attempted to have mim involuntariliy committed for insanity! A court then ruled that it was *not* insane to want to become an Orthodox Jew; he was released and spent the remainder of his life living as a Sefardic Jew in Eretz Yisrael. The man’s name was Warder Cresson; you will find many articles about him on the internet.

    rabbi
    rabbi
    15 years ago

    oy vai i see world war two rachmono litzlon repeating we have no were to tund perhaps now is a good time to put all machlokes in a side and start living in peace….. we all know that when yidin are united no one could harm us, and so i suggest evry body start exercizing achdus please its never to late lets do teshuve …

    chabad chosid
    chabad chosid
    15 years ago

    wait. am i dangerous now?

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    Why the uproar? Didn’t you read the same compliment I read?

    The judge said Orthodox Jews do not share European values!

    RBS”O – HERST?? Even a fahrkrumpt Austrian shiksa can see klal yisroel refuses to give up on the values You gave us at Har Sinai!

    Can’t you take us back home yet?

    David
    David
    15 years ago

    I was not writing about Lubavitch per se -I was pointing out how some forms of orthodoxy can engender the response exemplified by the European court.

    =)
    =)
    15 years ago

    Wow this story is crazy! She blames Chabad for sour marriage.
    Okay, Europe we know already it fanatical to be Jewish! And this is coming from the European Court for Human Rights, HAHAH. Wow their sense of Justice is truly blind.

    European Values
    European Values
    15 years ago

    European Values left Europe, Africa, Asia, swimming in blood.

    David is right
    David is right
    15 years ago

    Many of our community really believe that we live in an insulated community. They think that because they don’t look out, nobody is looking in.

    How can you be so naive? And at what price? You can protest all you want. But when kids from WITHIN our community are needing psychological, medical, and financial help from the world, we are getting noticed. How can you think that if you vote in BLOCS, you won’t get noticed?

    Can you stop and think how your behavior, and chumros are affecting a kid who’s father wants to raise him according to the Torah?

    Chumros are fine in private, but in public they border on selfishness. As if to say, I want exclusive access to Torah and Mitzvos, and a beginner is not welcome around MY God.

    Whoever that God may be.
    He is NOT the G-d of Avraham, Yitzchak and Yaakov.
    because that G-d, HaShem Echad, controls everything… including the mouth of a judge in Vienna.

    The R”SO is telling us to cut the crap for the benefit of your brothers… and we don’t get it!!!

    This is a rather benign way of sending us that message.

    Please Listen!!!

    wakeup
    wakeup
    15 years ago

    the problem is that we arent focusing on the one common denomiator which all these judges share, they are all anti semites.

    they dont like jews and especially religious jews. look around the world everyone is begining to show their true colors, it just took the arabs to begin calling israel and the jews beasts and animals. and look now every country and every religion is condeming the jews and israel. where were they all when we were getting butchered.

    so please lets not look for excuses for these judges. plain and simply people with no morales along with the rest of europe who put G-D on the back burner ages ago

    Talk Talk
    Talk Talk
    15 years ago

    The kidnapper, Isabelle Neulinger said to Swiss press that she is filing an appeal to the Grand Chamber in Strasbourg. Who is willing to contribute to a legal defense fund? Or is the attorney expected to fight this pro bono again??

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    david:
    gemachs
    bikur cholim
    A TIME
    RCCS
    yad eliezer
    tomchei shabbos
    misaskim
    chaveirim
    hatzolah
    bonei olam
    etc etc
    the list goes on and on. yes there are some things (even alot of things) that we have to work on but pointing out some rotten apples doesn’t ruin the whole orchard

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    The court was given examples by Mrs. Neulinger of women must cover their hair and boys should be sent as early as three years in religious schools called “Heder”-these are Jewish values, not just Chabad practices.. “They oppose intolerance and limited rights” Its seems like the courts are the ones who are intolerant of the Jewish religion. Chabad organization is “fanatical, dangerous and radical”-the victims in the Chabad House in Mumbai were dangerous? It seems as the father may have become chabad after his marriage and the wife (did they get a get?) felt pressured to follow. The Lubavitcher Rebbe had advised people in such situations that Shalom bayis was more important-it seems that the father may have been too insistent with the mother on certain things at the cost of Shalom bayis

    A Legal Question
    A Legal Question
    15 years ago

    The fact that such a comment was made by justices of the European Court of Human Rights is of concern – legally. Having to deal with a specific case according to the guidelines set in law does not give anyone the right to voice a personal opinion unless it can be upheld in any court of law. Effectively, the human rights of thousands upon thousands of people have been infringed by their comments.

    Accordingly, the The European Court of Human Rights should be asked to clarify the meaning of fanatical, dangerous and radical. Furthermore, their definitions should be tested against other religions. And, finally, they should explain what is meant by religious freedom and ask whether they were fit to judge as their comments indicate a bias against practicing religious persons of any faith.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    The lady put her daughter in a car truck and the father is called abusive?

    Avrohom Abba
    Avrohom Abba
    15 years ago

    These judges are allowed to say any dumb thing they want but when they attack my entire People because they don’t agree with some of the people, is totally unfair and a judge should be careful not to be prejudiced but these judges are wrong to put us all; in the same catefgory. many of us don’t at all agree with the kidnapping issues.
    By the way, I am in favor of the state of Israel. However, I do not like the way the police treat the Chasidim. I hate the Neturay Karta and a good suggestion I have for them is, to convert to Judaism.

    Anonymous
    Anonymous
    15 years ago

    Dude – by law you cannot libel a group.