Washington – Ivanka Trump and her husband Jared Kushner have received rabbinic permission to travel by car on Friday evening following the inauguration of her father, Donald Trump, as the next president of the United States, according to a Kol Barama radio interview with Mark Zell, the chair of the Republican party in Israel.
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Traditionally, traveling in a car on Friday evening or Saturday is a violation of the Jewish Sabbath. Jared Kushner is Jewish, and Ivanka converted to Judaism. In a November Jerusalem Post piece, Shira Schmid noted that Ivanka “took on observance of Shabbat, holidays and kashrut, and adopted the Hebrew name Yael.”
“We observe the Sabbath. From Friday to Saturday we don’t do anything but hang out with one another. We don’t make phone calls,” Ivanka told Vogue in March 2015.
Ivanka praised the way that Shabbat provides a “blueprint for family connectivity,” in that it protects time for her to spend with her family, including her eldest child, Arabella. “It’s an amazing thing when you’re so connected, to really sign off,” said Ivanka. “And for Arabella to know that she has me, undivided, one day a week? We don’t do anything except play with each other, hang out with one another, go on walks together. Pure family!”
According to Zell, the special permission to travel by car was granted in order to protect the couple’s safety. Life-saving measures, such as the work of surgeons or soldiers, are permitted on Shabbat under the rule of pikuach nefesh, or protection of life, which overrides other commandments in the Torah.
she travels al pi halacha and her husband too?????
The MO do what the MO do. They have very loose definitions of all things halocha. Be’H, the Luby Shliach there will have a positive hashba’a on them.
That being said, if they have a goy opening and closing doors etc., it’s not as bad.
Thats looksteins geirim for you . real sample of ‘talmud haya metahr es hashrootzim b’105 tamim’
There’s no heter,so tyer considered mechallel shaobbos bfarhesyeh….and wine etc etc etrc is nesach
I guess she will get a heter to partake in the angus beef luncheon
I figured
Probably A conservative clergy etc
Streeeeeeeech.
As usual, AP gets the story wrong: they received permission to be driven. They will not be driving themselves. Additionally, now every Tom, Dick, and Harry with an assembly-line semicha will comment with their opinion as to why it’s right or wrong. Please refrain from comments that will lead to either motzei Shem Ra, avak lashon harah, or actual lashon harah. And please refrain from questioning Ms. Kushner’s geirus. Whether you think you are right or not, everything you type will be seen across the globe by all sorts of people.
Sound like rubbish to me. If she wants to break Shabbos that’s fine, she can say she is still working towards it. But to say she’s modern orthodox and he doesn’t wear a yarmulka or tzitzis etc is dodgy. It’s like saying I’m a vegetarian but only at night.
Is it pikuach nefesh if they stay home and don’t go to the inaugural party on Friday night? What kind of heter is there to drive on Shabbos to an OPTIONAL party?!
I wonder who gave such a psak?
I have my doubts about this heter, its not like they would die if they didn’t attend.
Will they be driving or will they have a shofer?
There’s no issur in sitting in a moving car on shabbos. And the secret service will be opening the doors that make the lights go on.
Pikuach Nefesh? They don’t HAVE to travel anywhere after the inauguration., Wherever Dad’s party is being held, I’m sure there is a room they can get. This doesn’t make sense.
Oh…. I am a huge Trump supporter, and I am thrilled he won. Just saying.
What a missed opportunity for a real Kiddush Hashem.
This is disgusting. They don’t have to take part in any inauguration events – neither of them was elected – and whatever ‘rabbi’ gave them a heter should be ashamed of himself!
Theyre yiddn and that should take precedence over all and she cldve proudly walked with their millions of body guards and make a huge kidush hashem. What a chaval. This psak is very poorly interpreted hopefully. Its mechalel shabos בפרהסיא. A chilil hashem.
David Ben Gurion refused to be driven on shabbos when he was in the public eye.
maybe it IS pikuach nefesh. the demagogue will have them executed if they don’t show up . who knows? he might take a page from henry the eighth
Boss: I need you at an important meeting Friday night.
Reb Yid: Sorry, travel on Saturday for religious reasons.
Boss: I’ll send an Uber car for you. Be ready at 9:00 a.m. Rebitzen Kushner said it is allowed.
Bernhard Rosenberg
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JARED AND IVANKA.. YOU NOW CARRY THE DAGEL HA TORAH, THE FLAG OF THE TORAH, ORTHODOX JUDAISM..RIDING ON SHABBAS TO THE INAUGURAL IS IMPROPER FOR AN ORTHODOX JEW….JARED WEAR A YAMUKA AT CERTAIN FUNCTIONS BE PROUD,IVANKA DRESS MODESTLY….YOU BOTH REPRESENT US. RABBI DR. BERNHARD ROSENBERG I supported Mr. TRUMP AS RABBI FOR TRUMP.
Unlike a dr who can travel for a specific need, what is the actual חיוב to attend in the first place to warrant חילול שבת and moreover, why can’t they sleep over at White House(or some other facility).
Your all piskim? The work that lies ahead for both of them have a REAL impact on klal Yisrael , doesn’t mean they can eat pig, but they should certainly be at the inauguration and most certainly need protection and not walk on the street so get off your high horse and just be thankful for everything hashem gives you.
They may have a heter but it would have been a real kiddush Hashemi if they had stayed home and he went to shul instead.
dinei malchus is a very complicated subject.
Look at the bright side they asked a Rabbi like we do and they got an answer, so now you don’t like what the Rabbi said go talk to him maybe he made a mistake, but she is not doing anything wrong they are just following the Ruv passak.
Now also put yourself in there shoes and walk with them first, and then answer, if your father is becoming president of the United States what will you do. (No need to answer as that your father is not becoming president)
And there is a big chance that this article is not the whole picture that’s going on, so what’s the point of bashing them.
No one on this chat realizes what a great danger we are in at the current moment. To me Jared and ivanka are playing the role of Ester Hamalka and we as frum jews must be very careful to be fully behind them.
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Ah…an halachic issue finally wakes up some of you to the duplicative PR falseness that underlies so much of Trump and his entourage. B”H
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History is replete with examples of dictatorial and brutal leaders who were adulated in their day by their citizens, for accomplishments that had nothing to do with their historical legacy of horror. Thus, the danger of cherry picking a leader’s “good points.”
This is from a contemporary Der Spiegel article analyzing Hitler’s appeal in the 1930s:
Hitler enjoyed widespread support in Germany. The claim that the change in Germany’s fortunes had been achieved single-handedly was, of course, absurd. Fascinating, nevertheless, in this litany of what most ordinary Germans at the time could only have seen as astonishing personal successes of the Führer, is that they represented national “attainments” rather than reflecting central tenets of Hitler’s own Weltanschauung.
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There was not a word in this passage of the pathological obsession with “removing” the Jews, or of the need for war to acquire living space.
Restoration of order, rebuilding the economy, removal of the scourge of unemployment, demolition of the restrictions of the hated Versailles Treaty, and the establishment of national unity all had wide popular resonance, ranging far beyond die-hard Nazis, appealing in fact in different ways to practically every sector of society. Opinion surveys long after the end of the Second World War show that many people, even then, continued to associate these “achievements” positively with Hitler.
Obviously, Trump is no Hitler…but nonetheless, one ignores the totality that is Trump at his own risk. And no one can say they weren’t warned.
chauffeur
Please do not question the validity of her geirus. It is one of the worst things a Jew can do with his mouth or keyboard. She was NOT converted by R’ Lookstein, but by the RCA’s standard program under the Beis Din of America.
We may certainly express our disapproval of how she dresses, but unlike many other “frum” Jews in the news, she’ll never be wearing handcuffs.
To #30 Ivanka never dresses modestly — always sleeveless! Scoopneck! She should know better — sorry about the spelling.. I hope she dresses better for the inauguration and she does not have to go to these balls. She can stay in a hotel!
The main inauguration ceremonies are scheduled to finish at 3PM, so they are getting this heter to attend the inauguration balls in the evening….
The main issue of driving a car is the melacha of havarah (making a fire) when engine starts and consumes gas. The purpose of the car is transportation (not heating or cooking). Hence, it is a melacha she’aina tzricha l’gufa – one does not “need” the melacha, it is a by-product of the action required. Although it is a “psik raisha” (unavoidable outcome), however, it is “lo nicha lay” (the outcome is undesired) since not only does the driver not benefit from the burning of gas, it actually isto the detriment as it causes a loss of money. In such a case, the undesired melacha would be muttar.
Other potential issues of driving a car fall into “davar she’aino miskaven” – one has no intention to do that melacha. Opening the door which causes light to go on is no different than walking across a grass field which causes some grass to be torn from ground (“harvesting”). This is the unintentional outcome of walking or opening a door.
Further, many d’rabbonon issues (such as amira l’akum – asking a non-Jew to do a melacha) are permitted for “l’tzorech harabbim” (-communal needs), or “l’tzorech mitzva” (-for sake of mitzva), or “l’tzorech choleh” (-the needds of an ill person). continued
We live in an ill society, Medinas Yisroel is mortal danger, America needs a strong leader that will stand up for Yaakov against the Esav and Yishmael. We are in atchaltah d’geulah and Hashem has sent us a “king” to rule over the most powerful country in the world. There is no greater mitzva and tzorech harabim as to support this leader. May we TRUMP over our enemies and usher in the full redemption.
People should refrain from negative comments and spreading loshon harah. It will be to people like Mr. Kushner that you’ll come begging for help if chas veshalom Israel is in trouble.
wonder how much she paid for this ‘heter’ ?
What is pikuach nefesh to stay at home?
No wonder the Rabbinat didn’t accept the conversions of their Rabbi’s
Why do they HAVE to go to these BALLS? It is Mechalel shabbes!! Is it written in blood someplace?
She just made life more difficult for every frum yid in corporate America.
All of you that do not agree with the Heter that Jaret and Ivanka received too bad for you.You do not know the reason (it is non of your business ) why they received the Heter,mind your own business,get a life.
With all respect to Donald Trump and his Dear son’in’law. They are NOT orthodox Jewish.
They can be Top people of the US White House, but NOT Orthodox Jews.
Just like Joseph Lieberman and other Members of the Senate or Congress.
I noticedthat all posters that bash
Trump are the same who mock our S’U , mihagay Yisroel, side with WOW, etc etc.
Can anyone explain co-relation?
Some of the comments here are hilarious. It’s amazing to see what halachic pretzels people can make of themselves when it comes to Trump, the egel hazachav.
seems that festivities TRUMP halacha no pun intended