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The right group has written to the Defense minister about Chief Military Rabbi Brigadier General Avi Ronzki (File)
Yesh Din said it had written to both Defence Minister Ehud Barak and Chief of Staff Gabi Ashkenazi, urging them to "take this incitement seriously and fire Chief Military Rabbi" Brigadier General Avi Ronzki.
It said a pamphlet distributed to soldiers taking part in Operation Cast Lead stressed that the troops should show no mercy to their enemies, and that the pamphlet borders "on incitement and racism against the Palestinian people."
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"When you show mercy to a cruel enemy you are being cruel to pure and honest soldiers. These are not games at the amusement park where sportsmanship teaches one to make concessions. This is a war on murderers," Yesh Din quoted the pamphlet as saying.
It said the pamphlet quotes at length statements by Rabbi Shlomo Aviner, a spiritual leader of the Jewish settlers in the occupied West Bank who opposes any compromise with Palestinians.
"The Palestinians claim they deserve a state here, when in reality there was never a Palestinian or Arab state within the borders of our country," the pamphlet quoted Aviner as saying.
The rights group said the pamphlet contains "degrading and belittling messages that border on incitement and racism against the Palestinian people. These messages can be interpreted as a call to act outside of the confines of international laws of war."
The Haaretz newspaper reported on Monday that far right-wing groups also gave out pamphlets bearing racist messages on military bases.
It said one urged soldiers to "spare your lives and the lives of your friends and not to show concern for a population that surrounds us and harms us..."
"Kill the one who comes to kill you. As for the population, it is not innocent," the daily quoted the pamphlet as saying.
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Jan 26, 2009 at 10:01 AM Big Masmid Says:
I would tell these leftist agitators "kol hamerachem al hachzorim soifoi misachzer
al harachmanim"
and let them all go to hell.
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Jan 26, 2009 at 10:13 AM Anonymous Says:
To Big Masmid--I couldn't have said it better!! Amen!!! How dare they tell the soldiers to have mercy on these people who glorify death and killing!! May we merit to see Moshiach right now!!
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Jan 26, 2009 at 10:09 AM Anonymous Says:
Brigadier General Avi Ronzki is my new hero!!!
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Jan 26, 2009 at 10:36 AM mottel Says:
bottom line is, as long as these fake, posturing, sickening hypocrites don't have to face the consequences of their deadly dangerous 'mercy' on murderers; they feel free to shrill out their feel-good, holier-than-thou pretense.
The day they come face to face with arab terror, they'll be the ones shrieking loudest in cowardly panic, and demanding the army 'kill the arabs'.
It's only when other people are in danger that they can afford to cloak themselves in 'mercy'. Afroh Le'pumeihi
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Jan 26, 2009 at 10:47 AM Anonymous Says:
About the only more moronic statement I've ever seen is the letter from PETA to Arafat urging him not to use donkeys for suicide missions.
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Jan 26, 2009 at 11:00 AM Anonymous Says:
“ I would tell these leftist agitators "kol hamerachem al hachzorim soifoi misachzer
al harachmanim"
and let them all go to hell. ”
Big "Masmid"....I doubt it...this letter may reflect the bloodthirsty cries for revenge among some of the right wing zealots but it is wrong for the "chief rabbi" to be making such statements...it means we are accepting the gutter morality of these terrorists and losing claim to the moral high ground that has always been our distinction as "am yisroel"...the IDF should totally disavow this statement and immediate dump this guy an army religious advisor
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Jan 26, 2009 at 10:19 AM lev Says:
human rights group??the only goup they care about is law breakers, murderurs etcetc etc
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Jan 26, 2009 at 12:13 PM Big Masmid Says:
“ Big "Masmid"....I doubt it...this letter may reflect the bloodthirsty cries for revenge among some of the right wing zealots but it is wrong for the "chief rabbi" to be making such statements...it means we are accepting the gutter morality of these terrorists and losing claim to the moral high ground that has always been our distinction as "am yisroel"...the IDF should totally disavow this statement and immediate dump this guy an army religious advisor ”
"Haba lehorgoch hashkeim lehorgoi"
if you ever learned torah you would know this rule.
You can't be sissy fighting these bloodthirsty killers.
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Jan 26, 2009 at 11:51 AM robroy560 Says:
This was very funny... thank you for exposing more left wing nonsense.
Kol HaKavod to this Rabbi.
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Jan 26, 2009 at 12:22 PM Askipeh Hanidreses Says:
Nowhere did he call to kill innocent women and children. By nature Yiden are Rachmonim Bnei Rachmonim. So by default they won't shoot an enemy when in doubt; therefore he had to tell them to have no mercy, that if you're in doubt of being in danger, then don't think twice but eliminate the threat to you and your fellow soldiers. They are interpreting his words the way they want to interpret it. Everyone who knows anything about the mentality of soldiers, knows that this wasn’t a call to genocide, but a call to be fierce in battle, without rachmoness, and do the job once and for all.
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Jan 26, 2009 at 12:21 PM Milhouse Says:
“ Big "Masmid"....I doubt it...this letter may reflect the bloodthirsty cries for revenge among some of the right wing zealots but it is wrong for the "chief rabbi" to be making such statements...it means we are accepting the gutter morality of these terrorists and losing claim to the moral high ground that has always been our distinction as "am yisroel"...the IDF should totally disavow this statement and immediate dump this guy an army religious advisor ”
Gutter morality? You are talking about Jewish morality, which we do not learn from terrorists but from the Torah. The distinction of "am yisroel" has never been that we follow "the confines of international laws of war", but that we follow the Torah no matter where it leads us. It is up to the so-called "international laws" to conform themselves to the Torah, not the other way around. If they do conform, well and good; if they do not, then "divrei harav vedivrei hatalmid, divrei mi shom'im?".
The job of a chief chaplain, like that of any rabbi, is to teach Torah fearlessly, "lo soguru mipnei ish"; if he can't do that, then he must resign. If the army wants to have chaplains (and it must have them, or the religious soldiers will have what to say about it), then it must take them as it finds them. The military regulations, and the laws of the state of Israel, are also subject to the Torah, not the other way around.
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Jan 26, 2009 at 11:53 AM esther Says:
“ Big "Masmid"....I doubt it...this letter may reflect the bloodthirsty cries for revenge among some of the right wing zealots but it is wrong for the "chief rabbi" to be making such statements...it means we are accepting the gutter morality of these terrorists and losing claim to the moral high ground that has always been our distinction as "am yisroel"...the IDF should totally disavow this statement and immediate dump this guy an army religious advisor ”
if someone would come into YOUR home to kill your family it would be immoral of you to show that person mercy.by using everything at your disposal to kill this person-if you only injure he could still harm your family-you are in fact doing your duty to your family.this in no way compares to bombing a pizza shop or bus or firing rockets at civilians for YEARS.the world seems to forget that the palistenians actually voted hamas ys whose primary goal is to destroy israel cvs into power so they never wanted any kind of peace
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Jan 26, 2009 at 11:45 AM michael Says:
The only State in the world which is being threatened with annihilation is Israel.
why do we have to justify PROTECTING ourselves.
They don’t recognize our existence, we should not treat them any differently.
AM ISRAEL HAI
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Jan 26, 2009 at 01:51 PM DEEPTHINKER Says:
The IDF has given out new instructions that anyone captured by Hamas should be murdered in cold blood by his fellow soldiers to avoid another "Shalit" case.
I guess that kind of cruelty is O.K. with this "human rights" group.
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Jan 26, 2009 at 04:35 PM Anonymous Says:
“ Gutter morality? You are talking about Jewish morality, which we do not learn from terrorists but from the Torah. The distinction of "am yisroel" has never been that we follow "the confines of international laws of war", but that we follow the Torah no matter where it leads us. It is up to the so-called "international laws" to conform themselves to the Torah, not the other way around. If they do conform, well and good; if they do not, then "divrei harav vedivrei hatalmid, divrei mi shom'im?".
The job of a chief chaplain, like that of any rabbi, is to teach Torah fearlessly, "lo soguru mipnei ish"; if he can't do that, then he must resign. If the army wants to have chaplains (and it must have them, or the religious soldiers will have what to say about it), then it must take them as it finds them. The military regulations, and the laws of the state of Israel, are also subject to the Torah, not the other way around. ”
The distinction of "am yisroel" has never been that we follow "the confines of international laws of war", but that we follow the Torah no matter where it leads us. It is up to the so-called "international laws" to conform themselves to the Torah, not the other way around. If they do conform, well and good; if they do not, then "divrei harav vedivrei hatalmid, divrei mi shom'im?".
Clearly you are joking. If you truly believe that we should blindly follow some Rav's interpretation of Torah "no matter where it leads", chas vachalilah, could lead to am yisroel's destruction and the death of millions of yidden...how can you make such a mindless statement.
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Jan 26, 2009 at 05:45 PM Anonymous Says:
How do we get Ronzki to run for Prime Minister?
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Jan 26, 2009 at 06:30 PM Milhouse Says:
“ The distinction of "am yisroel" has never been that we follow "the confines of international laws of war", but that we follow the Torah no matter where it leads us. It is up to the so-called "international laws" to conform themselves to the Torah, not the other way around. If they do conform, well and good; if they do not, then "divrei harav vedivrei hatalmid, divrei mi shom'im?".
Clearly you are joking. If you truly believe that we should blindly follow some Rav's interpretation of Torah "no matter where it leads", chas vachalilah, could lead to am yisroel's destruction and the death of millions of yidden...how can you make such a mindless statement. ”
"Some rav's interpretation" implies that you have a different one. Do you?
In any case, it remains true that a rabbi has to teach what the Torah says, regardless of "international laws" or, for that matter, domestic laws. Do you dispute that? If so, on what grounds? As I said, divrei harav vedivrei hatalmid, divrei mi shom'in? Surely you accept that!
As for interpretation, ein lo ledayan ela mah she'einav ro'os.
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Jan 27, 2009 at 04:16 AM Grandmother Says:
A man speaks the truth and gives wise advice and some people want to shaft him! He wasn't speaking to kindergarten children or impressionable young boys and girls at junior high school or a group of young mothers at synagogue he was speaking to valiant warriors who were engaged in defending the people and the state of Israel. His message was appropriate for audience and context. There is a time for everything, a time for peace and a time to make war and the troops were faced with a situation that called for them to be as fierce as lions. They were not playing a competition sport for the cafe patrons' amusement they were putting their lives on the line to face a ruthless, merciless enemy. The Rabbi is to be applauded for giving the troops support and strengthening their resolve and courage to do what they had to do in order to ensure the continuation of a free society that allows for the kind of social debate and criticism in which this human rights group is engaged.