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Borough Park, NY -A Situation Ripe for Misunderstanding: The Rabbi Schorr/Lipa Schmeltzer Wedding Encounter [video]

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Borough Park, NY—With the frum Internet abuzz with a raw video and endless comments on websites, rumors have been circulating about what exactly happened this past Wednesday night, February 4, at a wedding at Borough Park’s Ateres Chaya Hall, in which an altercation of some sort occurred between activist Rabbi Avrohom Schorr, shlita and singer Lipa Schmeltzer—with the resulting rumors, confusion and half-truths spreading faster than wildfire.

To clarify the story in the pursuit of objective reporting that is fair to all parties involved, VIN News has confirmed the story below, to which we have added several factual details, to be accurate.  (As of 12:00 p.m. today, VIN is still reaching out to all parties involved to maintain accuracy.)

Lipa, from what I understand, was invited by one of the mechutanim to the wedding.  Lipa came to the wedding [as a guest, not a hired performer—Ed.] and wished “mazel tov!” and was standing in the crowd. People were coming over to him and kindly greeting him … Lipa was then brought by one of the baalei simcha to the band to sing. … The singer hired for the evening was Shloime Daskal who, it seems, graciously gave the microphone to Lipa when Lipa was brought to the band[stand].

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Lipa began singing the song that the band had been playing and everyone was enjoying the simcha.  …  At that point, the band began playing Lipa’s “Hentalach” song on the request by one of the Baalei Simcha. … The chosson’s friends and others gathered around the chosson and were dancing joyously, waving their hands in the air as the chosson responded in kind. 

Suddenly there was a commotion.  The song switched to “Amar Rabi Akiva” and Lipa tried to sing but hundreds had gathered around the band to see what was going on.

Thos who were close enough understood that the commotion was based on the fact that Rabbi Avraham Schorr, who is the rov of the Tiferes Yaakov shul in Midwood/Flatbush, had approached the band and went over to Lipa, demanding that he leave the stage…

Suddenly someone began to push Lipa. Lipa was very much in control and remained calm. … It looked like none of the ladies knew what was going on from the other side of the mechitza but by the men it was chaos because people were just walking around trying to figure out how to get the situation under control and straighten it out. Lipa tried to explain to Rabbi Schorr and one or two guys who were on Rabbi Schorr’s side that he was invited to the wedding and was asked to sing. Rabbi Schorr continued to tell him to descend from the band. Meanwhile, an even larger crowd gathered around. …

It was obvious that Lipa was trying to stay under control which he did with a smile on his face. …

Lipa said into the mike, “Erliche Yidden darf mekarev andere Yidden” Then, the mechanech who had gone up to protect him told him to say into the mike, “Ich bin yedem mochel b’lev shaleim - I am mochel for the disgrace,” which he did. …

It seemed that Lipa tried to continue singing but was being harassed and so the music took a break for dessert.

Lipa eventually went off the band stage. … Lipa left the hall with people wishing him hatzlacha. He seemed to be okay with what had happened but only later admitted that he was quite shaken from what happened.

Lipa told some people [confirmed by VIN News] that he had actually been offered a different job for money somewhere, but came to this wedding because of hakaras hatov and a hiskarvus to the baal simcha …


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 Feb 06, 2009 at 09:55 AM BORUCH Says:

you cant have it all folks. either you want all the chushiva rabunim at your simcha, or the wannabe yiddish popstar. A lot of the fault is the Bal simchas.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 09:54 AM Anonymous Says:

RABBI SCHOR explaind his actions in 2 words avode zura.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 09:54 AM Anonymous Says:

to rabby shorr with all u respect i think there is much bigger prblems going on that lipa singing by chasenes i have never heard you talking about the pedophiles in the jewish comunity form this u sacered beacause u worry about u pocket ,i m sure in shull u also have pedophiles shame on you to be mevaze a person in public .lipa is a tsadik i dont think there is alot of people like him who does chesed .

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 09:51 AM Anonymous Says:

This is madness. If there was any physical contact, this Rav Schorr should be arrested and charged with assualt. At a minimum, he seems to be in need of psychiatric help.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 09:50 AM Lebediger Says:

would someone please find a job for this schorr
ha ha Rabbi?

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 09:49 AM Anonymous Says:

and we wonder why the geula hasn't come yet, I really don't care what Rabbi Schorr has to say, remember embarrassing b'rabim is compared to murder but it sure was an ais ratzon for Lipa

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 09:48 AM Anonymous Says:

Too much explanation on behalf of Lipa... and being that the highly respected Rav Schorr was the one to conquer him doesn't make Lipa so innocent.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:06 AM Anonymous Says:

What do people want from him?He is a Ben Torah who is trying to make living.Last year he gave up a lot,when Gedolim put ban on his concert.I wonder if Rav Gedalya Schor Z'L would approve what happen at this wedding.He had no gain to sing here, all this was leshmah.He does ask daas torah what is proper for him to do.He going straight to gan edem for this one.Now you want to know why there so much Tzras in kal yisrael.I do believe Lipa was mochel everybody.Now you know he is a baal midos.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:01 AM Confused but not surprised Says:

This story is truly amazing ,this is not the first time that R. Schorr has done something like this. He used to be a rebbe in Square town and they threw him out for being to Radical. The issue is that people think he represents the rabbomin, why because he has a big mouth ,and speaks out against everything ????
we have gedoylim that are calculated in the things they do ,and that is who we should be looking up to. Not those is seek attention by being controversial.
I have never seen R. Dovid Feinstein say or do anything without first thinking about it, (even if its something he has been asked a hundred times ,he will still think about it)
that is what a true gadol is !

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:08 AM Anonymous Says:

BORUCH - if Schorr would have been a choshuve person, you would have made some sense. But he is NOT a choshuve person, if only because he was oveir on 'hamalbim penei chaveiro barabim - EIN LO CHELEK BEOLAM HABA'. Plus there were actually real choshuva rabonim at that wedding - and they had no problem with Lipa singing.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:01 AM Anonymous Says:

It just goes to show that torah without derech eretz is nothing worth Lipa without being the big talmud chuchom is worth more than this schor's torah

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:11 AM Anonymous Says:

Thank G-d, I don't live in New York.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:09 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

RABBI SCHOR explaind his actions in 2 words avode zura.

I went through the shulchan aruch can you show me where Lipa is Avoda zorah? I think idolsing Rebbes or rosh yeshiva is the same avoda zorah as idolising Lipa

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:09 AM Anonymous Says:

Schorr was the menahel of the Skvere yeshiva years ago, when Lipa was a talmid there. Since Schorr was thrown out, he obviously has a personal problem with Lipa.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:06 AM Anonymous Says:

It Seems That The Rabbi Is The avoda zora He Has A Cult Like Following Who Dont Question Anything This Is A Unhealthy Thing For yidden

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 09:56 AM a reader Says:

there was once a time (not so many years ago) when we looked to our rabbonim as a source of kiddush hashem. nowadays, our rabbonim are the source of: concert bans, child molestation cover-ups, and now this - being mevayesh a yid berabim and ruining a heimishe simchas choson v'kallah!!
i am reminded of the midrash at the begining of megillas Rus - the pasuk says "b'ymei sh'fot ha'shoftim" - literally, "in the days when the judges judged", and there was a famine in the land. the medrash says that it means "when the judges (themselves) were judged" - and there was a famine. meaning: Woe to a generation whose leaders (judges) themselves are so corrupt and rotten that they themselves need to be judged!!
Is there any question that we are currently such a generation? if these are our leaders, we truly are in bad, bad shape.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:30 AM BS Says:

Reply to #18  
a reader Says:

there was once a time (not so many years ago) when we looked to our rabbonim as a source of kiddush hashem. nowadays, our rabbonim are the source of: concert bans, child molestation cover-ups, and now this - being mevayesh a yid berabim and ruining a heimishe simchas choson v'kallah!!
i am reminded of the midrash at the begining of megillas Rus - the pasuk says "b'ymei sh'fot ha'shoftim" - literally, "in the days when the judges judged", and there was a famine in the land. the medrash says that it means "when the judges (themselves) were judged" - and there was a famine. meaning: Woe to a generation whose leaders (judges) themselves are so corrupt and rotten that they themselves need to be judged!!
Is there any question that we are currently such a generation? if these are our leaders, we truly are in bad, bad shape.

very well said
i'm no major lipa fan but a schorr fan i certainly am not!!!!
there must be some kind of explanation y rav schorr did this!!
SHAME ON HIM IF NOT!!

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:28 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

to rabby shorr with all u respect i think there is much bigger prblems going on that lipa singing by chasenes i have never heard you talking about the pedophiles in the jewish comunity form this u sacered beacause u worry about u pocket ,i m sure in shull u also have pedophiles shame on you to be mevaze a person in public .lipa is a tsadik i dont think there is alot of people like him who does chesed .

I don't take away any of the chesed he is doing, but, many too often we see people, for example - big baalei tzedaka, who give sizeable contributions to tzedaka and at the end of the day it's being revealed that the money got to them through shady business deals. Now, is this real tzedaka or just a form of legitimacy that the baal dovor is trying to give to the shady deals? The same can be said to people who are not so erlich and you will see how they do soooo much chesed, is that real chesed or just a dress up by the baal dovor?

Coming back to Lipa. It is known and proven that neginah has a tremendous effect on the listener. Lipa's way of singing is a poisoning of us. Therefore, we must fight it till the bitter end.

About pedophilia, a lot is being done in all communities. But, it's not something to advertise in the open and b y constantly knocking the Rabbonim you only strengthen the pedophiliac.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:28 AM ali Says:

I was not there so I cant give an opinion what happened. I implore everyone to stop saying bad things about other people whether the person is a Gadol or a singer. And all those previous posts who are saying bad things about Rabbi Schorr I honestly do not think you are any bigger Gadol than he is so You should all be smart and just shut up!!!

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:34 AM Anonymous Says:

Rav Schorr displayed foolish and childish behavior. Lipa has done nothing wrong.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:37 AM DOC Says:

LET'S GO OUT AND BUY TICKETS TO LIPA'S CONCERT. HE NEEDS A SHOW OF SUPPORT. NOW MORE THAN EVER!!!

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:36 AM menachem Says:

There is absolutely no justification for embarrassing someone in public .Schorr needs to puclicly ask forgiveness from Lipa.How can we look up to the types of people who act like this? How would he feel if someone doesnt like him and pushed him off the stage when he is speaking ...DISGUSTING.....the man deserves no respect at all .torah bli derech eretz = zero......

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:35 AM OY VEY Says:

please mispallel for this Man.
He is a good man.
He obviously believes he is doing something good.
As do the NK people who think they are following The Satmar Rebbe, ZT"L
Maybe he has developed a chemical imbalance.
Many of the people in his circle wouldn't notice if he did.
His father, Rav Gedalya Schorr, ZT"L was a Rosh Yeshiva in Torah Vodaath, and would never have done something like this.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:42 AM Anonymous Says:

VIN News should remove the comments that write with disrespect on anyone especially on a respected rabbi and a big Talmid Chochoum and real Yarei Shomayim. The story with Lipa is that he comes from a very frum and chasidisha family, when he started his carrier he was basically singing accordingly, like all other singers who basically sing according to their background, all of a sudden he started to sing like the real.....!, and automatically started to pull in a lot of kids and even adults who never heard these songs and never watched a himisha singer who performs and acts like.....!, as everyone knows, Naginah has a very strong influence on a Nefesh, so parents who wanted their kids not hear or see this singing had a very hard time, since he is dressed like a chasidisha guy and comes from an extreme frum background, that's what's makes rabbies so upset. why can't he sing like all singers? MBD, Avrohom Fried, and all other stars never sang like him with this tunes, lyrics, and acts!

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:42 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #23  
DOC Says:

LET'S GO OUT AND BUY TICKETS TO LIPA'S CONCERT. HE NEEDS A SHOW OF SUPPORT. NOW MORE THAN EVER!!!

Definitely easier than sitting down and learning a blatt Gemora, to show support for the Torah.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:42 AM ali Says:

By the way..you cant see anything from this video. I cannot see or hear R' Schorr doing anything wrong!!!

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:41 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #21  
ali Says:

I was not there so I cant give an opinion what happened. I implore everyone to stop saying bad things about other people whether the person is a Gadol or a singer. And all those previous posts who are saying bad things about Rabbi Schorr I honestly do not think you are any bigger Gadol than he is so You should all be smart and just shut up!!!

This guy Schorr is no "gadol" by any strech of the imagination. Do your homework and find out more about his prior antics. To disrupt a chasan/kalah on the day of their chasanah like this is beneath contempt.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:41 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #21  
ali Says:

I was not there so I cant give an opinion what happened. I implore everyone to stop saying bad things about other people whether the person is a Gadol or a singer. And all those previous posts who are saying bad things about Rabbi Schorr I honestly do not think you are any bigger Gadol than he is so You should all be smart and just shut up!!!

I agree

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:26 AM Conservative One Says:

Shame on all of you for insulting a Godol BYisroel like Rav Schorr Shlita and defending a low-life like Shmeltzer. He has done nothing more that adopt Chukas HaGoim with his shtick and that is most probably what Rav Schorr meant when he said Avodah Zora. Rav Schorr meanwhile is a Marbitz Torah and someone that children can look up to and try to emulate but not this Shmeltzer character.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:25 AM Anonymous Says:

Why did this have to be posted on your site? There are hundreds of people across the world who visit this site every day and for them this is pure loshon hora since they knew nothing about the entire incident. This should have stayed within the immediate community.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:22 AM Anonymous Says:

lipa has a heart of gold, he dosent desrve this. lipa stay strong and you shouldnt have forgiven this bored sole.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:19 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

RABBI SCHOR explaind his actions in 2 words avode zura.

This so called "rabbi shchor" has much bigger problems than his self-proclaimed role of protecting the attendees at a simcha from hearing a ehrleche yiddeshe singer invited by the bride and groom to sing at their wedding. His actions are themselves ab bigger chilul hashem than any music ever could be and the hurt and pain he must have caused to the chosen/kallah are undescribable.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:18 AM Anonymous Says:

you could have chushiva rabunim but not not self appointed dictators who think that they are rabunim. this guy is out of control & has serious problems. At best he is a legend in his own mind & and a detrement to klal yisroel & the rabunus at large.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:17 AM MARK APPEL Says:

its people like rabbi shor(we love him too)who are making us so proud of lipa who spends so much of his time being mesameach yidden for free lipa ure great am echad -we are one

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:17 AM Anonymous Says:

mitzva lushmoha diverie chachumim if he insisted to go down he should have done it right away if not then with force why was nobody moyche what a bigshot.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:16 AM Anonymous Says:

"and being that the highly respected Rav Schorr"

Are you out of your mind!!! Rabbi Schorr is NOT respected. I always wondered how he gets those speaking engagements. He is a self proclaimed rabbi. If you read into his past you begin to wonder how he even has a shul and how he gets into the Yated and Hamodia.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:13 AM Use Your Head Says:

I would not jump to judgement without hearing both sides of the story, but if the version presented here is accurate, I cannot help but see a discomforting parallel to the infamous story of Kamtza and Bar Kamtza. Again, I hope I am wrong and that there is a plausible explanation for the whole thing.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:13 AM Anonymous Says:

I Was Always Afraid Of This Rabbi It Seems That The baley batim That Follow Him Do So Blindly Without Questioning Anything He Has Them In His Pocket So To Speak. He Needs A haskama First

41

 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:13 AM Eli Says:

Once you allow thuggery in one area and give in to extremism - it just expands. This is how the Taliban work.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:12 AM David Says:

Torah im derech eretz?

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:12 AM anonymous Says:

Does LIPA have his own website? I would like to contact him and congratulate him on his excellent middos of not lowering himself. It took alot of courage and derech eretz to keep calm and ask for mechila, something he did not have to do. Rav Schorr owes Lipa a public apology, and he must personally ask him for mechila.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 09:54 AM monsey'er Says:

I know one thing, Reb Avruhm Schorr is a Yid a talmed Chucim and Yiras Shomiem, vs Lipa Schmeltzer the lowest of the low.

Aoutmotacly the shvacher oilem will give Lipa right, and the Serious oilam will understand that Rav Schorr knows what hes doing!!

45

 Feb 06, 2009 at 09:54 AM Anonymous Says:

And i heard a total different version of the story, it's not so rosy as you put it down. one of the mechutonim was very upset at lipa's presence, and that's when the dispute started to boil up.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:48 AM Anonymous Says:

Rabbosai until we don't know the entire story we shouldn't say anything, especially against Rabbonim. Whether he's right or wrong.

Hatzlacha and Good Shabbos, :)

47

 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:45 AM Anonymous Says:

Rabosi if you agree with what a Rov does/did or do not agree we still have to Respeact them its RABBI Schor. Reb Ahron Kotler and Reb Yoelish didn't agree on many things but they had real emes kavod for each other May be with us people which have so much time on our hands should go ask Rabbi Schor why he did what he did there are all ways to sides of a story I Respeact Lipa for controling himself but again there are all ways to sided of a story.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:56 AM Chaim S. Says:

Rav Aron Kotler, Satmar Rebbe, and Rav Gedalye Shorr did not always agree with each other or others. BUT they NEVER publicly insulted another Yid nor made public melees, especially at a simcha.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:55 AM Anonymous Says:

Sorry Rabbi Schorr....you are a guest and have no right to DISTURB anyones simche.
You hate lipa with a passion dont go close to him

50

 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:54 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #26  
Anonymous Says:

VIN News should remove the comments that write with disrespect on anyone especially on a respected rabbi and a big Talmid Chochoum and real Yarei Shomayim. The story with Lipa is that he comes from a very frum and chasidisha family, when he started his carrier he was basically singing accordingly, like all other singers who basically sing according to their background, all of a sudden he started to sing like the real.....!, and automatically started to pull in a lot of kids and even adults who never heard these songs and never watched a himisha singer who performs and acts like.....!, as everyone knows, Naginah has a very strong influence on a Nefesh, so parents who wanted their kids not hear or see this singing had a very hard time, since he is dressed like a chasidisha guy and comes from an extreme frum background, that's what's makes rabbies so upset. why can't he sing like all singers? MBD, Avrohom Fried, and all other stars never sang like him with this tunes, lyrics, and acts!

Are you serious in asking "why he just doesn't imitate other singers". The answer is simple: Hashem gave him real talent and creativity to use music to bring more yinglach to yiddeshkeit and he has done more than this rev schorr has ever done or will do. Parents who want to kids not to hear anything different from "the other singers" have a real problem since LIPA is probably the best you will ever get in terms of someone who follows derech torah, has great midos, is respectful of the gadolim but still provides a vibrant soul for yiddishkeit. Hashem yarachem on Rav Schorr and the bal simcha whose keddushin were spoiled by his unspeakable behavior.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:53 AM Anonymous Says:

There must be one person here who was by the wedding?

I cant believe anyone is taking Rav Schorrs side here, the term rabbi, doesnt make him a real Tzadik, these days anyone who wants to be called Rabbi can get that title.

His actions are one of a mad man without thinking clearly and someone who obviously has a personal vendetta against Lipa.

I want to go to this Rabbi Schorrs shul and be mevais him there, midah kneged midah

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:52 AM A mechitan Says:

if i may. my son is getting married soon and i did take lipa to sing (and paying him a crazy price of $5000) so im not going to pick a side who is right lipa or rabbi schorr,, but let me make one thing clear to you all if schorr would walk in to my SIMCHA which is my money and my people and RUIN the SIMCHA. i would take him out rip his beard off and arrest him for assult of even touching lipa AND trust me i would.. he is a shagats for insulting somone in public and a shgatz for destroying somones SIMCAH .. and for lipa i have to say LIPA DONT GET MAD GET EVEN.. his day will come soon (oh how i wish this would happen at my sons wedding there would be no more schorr

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:50 AM Anonymous Says:

Rabbosai until we don't know the entire story we shouldn't say anything, especially against Rabbonim. Whether he's right or wrong.

Hatzlacha and Good Shabbos, :)

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 11:11 AM Anonymous Says:

Several people here commented that Lipas negina style (rock) has a bad influence - are you really that stupid - many Chasidic melodies are Goyish European marching tunes or Beer-Hall tuned - did you see that as a bad influence??

Several Chasidic nigena's are Church melodies - is that a bad influence??

These tunes can be heard in Skver, Satmar etc etc every Shabbos and even Yom Kippur!

So which is Ovoda Zara Lipa or this alleged rabbis actions???

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 11:10 AM ersatz yiddishkeit Says:

My father a"H was a Holocaust survivor. His generation was not in to all the of the "form-with-little-substance" yiddishkeit of today. No Lexus. A 2 room bungalow was fine. A one level apartment with plastic on the couches. You worked and you learned. No living off shvers because there were no shvers. No gneyvasha shtick. No assering or cherem for naarishkeit. Yes, there were things that needed improvement in areas such as tznius, etc. But that generation was full of MENTCHEN. The gedolim were torah and derech eretz. Rav Moshe would sooner have his hand slammed in a car door and be quiet than be mevaza a driver. Rav Pam. Rav Yaakov. The Klausenberger Rebbe who was a father to thousands of yesomim. The pushuta yidDen were Gedolim. The gedolim were Gedolim. A yeshiva bachur could go to Brooklyn College at night and become a doctor and was not considered a lost soul. How did all this stupidity happen? When will it end?

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 11:09 AM Shaul in Monsey Says:

The alleged rabbi, Schorr, clearly put his personal agenda in front of the baalei simcha and klal yisroel. Airev rav of this type reinforce the notion that today, there are people who sit in position of authority under the guise of "rav," but in fact they are slaves to their own avodah zarah - Schorr and his ilk bow to the idols of anger, bitterness, hatred of his fellow yiddin, and many of the other midos that tore down the last holy Temple. A man can not lead others if he cannot master his own base instincts. Mr. Schorr, fix yourself before attempting to fix others.

And for the tisk tiskers, oy oyers, and dan lkaf zechusers, please don't waste my time and VIN's space on kvetching about how maybe there's another side. VIN has done a remarkable job researching this story.

And I am proud to say that I have sent Reb Lipa a note of encouragement. He is a true gentleman and of the best our people have to offer.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 11:08 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #52  
A mechitan Says:

if i may. my son is getting married soon and i did take lipa to sing (and paying him a crazy price of $5000) so im not going to pick a side who is right lipa or rabbi schorr,, but let me make one thing clear to you all if schorr would walk in to my SIMCHA which is my money and my people and RUIN the SIMCHA. i would take him out rip his beard off and arrest him for assult of even touching lipa AND trust me i would.. he is a shagats for insulting somone in public and a shgatz for destroying somones SIMCAH .. and for lipa i have to say LIPA DONT GET MAD GET EVEN.. his day will come soon (oh how i wish this would happen at my sons wedding there would be no more schorr

what $5000 for a singer when so many yidden are starving do you want us to mention by your levya that you spent 5000 on a singer by your sons wedding

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 11:17 AM Anonymous Says:

i know lipa personally he is a good man

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 11:27 AM tina Says:

Reply to #57  
Anonymous Says:

what $5000 for a singer when so many yidden are starving do you want us to mention by your levya that you spent 5000 on a singer by your sons wedding

Your stupid. If you spend $5000 on a singer, your helping to stimulate the frum community and not taking money away from anyone. As long as it stays in the frum worlds, the money isnt lost. Hes actually doing more for poor yidden when he spends this money to a frum singer. Also, he never said when he did it - maybe it was 5 years ago when things were good. Finally, nobody I know is starving. If you lost your job, you can get unemployment, food stamps, etc

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 11:26 AM Yossele Says:

I'm very proud of Lipa for being an ehrlicher midos tovos yid.
Schorr could learn a lot from him.


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 Feb 06, 2009 at 11:26 AM Anonymous Says:

This story is a sad commentary on how "frumkeit" devolved in the last few decades. A Beis Yaakov teacher could destroy a girl who she deems is too pretty and, therefore, untzniusdik; schools discriminating between children based on the color of their father's shirts, Charadim beating up women for sitting on the wrong side of the bus and people like Schorr deceiving our gedolim into signing a frivolous ban.

Instead of being ashamed of what he's done, especially now that R' Shmuel Kamanitzki publicly endorsed the "Event," and impliedly apologized for banning the past one, Shorr continues to bully Lipa-- all, of course, L'shem Shamyim.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 11:24 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #52  
A mechitan Says:

if i may. my son is getting married soon and i did take lipa to sing (and paying him a crazy price of $5000) so im not going to pick a side who is right lipa or rabbi schorr,, but let me make one thing clear to you all if schorr would walk in to my SIMCHA which is my money and my people and RUIN the SIMCHA. i would take him out rip his beard off and arrest him for assult of even touching lipa AND trust me i would.. he is a shagats for insulting somone in public and a shgatz for destroying somones SIMCAH .. and for lipa i have to say LIPA DONT GET MAD GET EVEN.. his day will come soon (oh how i wish this would happen at my sons wedding there would be no more schorr

machiten you are not right ! cause even though you would have the right to arrest this chamor,you would be doing an aveireh of mesurah,and its a sheila of mevazeh talmid chochom,this what the gemara says in tanes daf lamed beis..so dont be such a big talker!

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 11:22 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #21  
ali Says:

I was not there so I cant give an opinion what happened. I implore everyone to stop saying bad things about other people whether the person is a Gadol or a singer. And all those previous posts who are saying bad things about Rabbi Schorr I honestly do not think you are any bigger Gadol than he is so You should all be smart and just shut up!!!

1000% right!!!!!!! couldn't have said it better!!!!!

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 11:31 AM Anonymous Says:

"LIPA" i know you & u know me a little, u should know that the simcha u present to poeple u WILL get GAN EDEN for that & the way poeple hate u is because they r stupid & because one meshigener decided to hate u so every one is going along " THEY R STUPID " they don't care how much CHESED you do, i know for a fact that you r great u r tallented & u use it to be mesameyach sick children in hospitals " KEEP UP YOUR WORK DON'T LET THEM GET IN YOUR WAY HASHEM LOVES YOU, I KNOW THAT BECAUSE HE GAVE U THE GREAT SINGING POWER & AS LONG AS HE LET'S U KEEP IT THAT LONG HE WANTS YOU TO MAKE HAPPY THOSE KIDS & SIMCHES, SO YOU HAVE MY BLESSING DON'T LISTEN TO THOSE MESHIGOYIM trully yours moshe s.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 11:21 AM menachem Says:

What makes someone a rabbi ? you have to act like one ......................

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 11:31 AM tuvia from miami Says:

MR. schorr calls his self a Rabbi .... what happens to derach erratz commod l torah

you gotta treat every one with respect esp. in front of alot of people.

even thought Mr. schorr didnt like Lipa he should have done it in a differant way.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 11:30 AM michal Says:

Reply to #45  
Anonymous Says:

And i heard a total different version of the story, it's not so rosy as you put it down. one of the mechutonim was very upset at lipa's presence, and that's when the dispute started to boil up.

Even if what you say is true, the Rav had no right to embarass another jew in public. I am not a fan of Lipa, honestly I don't know his music so well. That being said, the rav may be a great talmid Chacham, but what makes some one a gadol, is having yiras shamayim, and ahavas yisroel. In addition, he should always give others the beneift of the doubt, and doing the utmost to never embarass another yid in public.
The Rav obviously did not learn from the story of Yehuda who would not embarass Tamar in public, and the story of Kamtza and Bar Kamtza.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 11:30 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #31  
Conservative One Says:

Shame on all of you for insulting a Godol BYisroel like Rav Schorr Shlita and defending a low-life like Shmeltzer. He has done nothing more that adopt Chukas HaGoim with his shtick and that is most probably what Rav Schorr meant when he said Avodah Zora. Rav Schorr meanwhile is a Marbitz Torah and someone that children can look up to and try to emulate but not this Shmeltzer character.

jewish history is full of people doing things ostensibly leshem shamayim that can do more harm than good even if they are right. rav schorr may have a point but for the jewish community's sake he should explain himself

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 11:06 AM yungerman Says:

I know rav schorr from his yeshiva days when he was mashgiach and I'm still very close to him.I have asked him many times why he does these things? And he answered.when there is pain, you scream.he doesn't care what people say about him.
He has a heart of gold even though it might apear otherwise.
Speaking about molestation he has voiced about this too,and people pounced on him. So make up your mind and don't be hypocritical you want a rov that wants molesters locked up, he is the one so why when he is against concerts and lipa you pounce on him again
I listen and love to hear lipa and I feel bad about it
I will ask rov schorr about this bl"n and will report here what he says

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 11:30 AM Moshe Says:

Reply to #32  
Anonymous Says:

Why did this have to be posted on your site? There are hundreds of people across the world who visit this site every day and for them this is pure loshon hora since they knew nothing about the entire incident. This should have stayed within the immediate community.

Yes keep this quiet just as we do with abuse and financial scandals involving rabbonim.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 11:30 AM mussarwithoutsubstance Says:

Reply to #57  
Anonymous Says:

what $5000 for a singer when so many yidden are starving do you want us to mention by your levya that you spent 5000 on a singer by your sons wedding

Agreed. And I commend you for setting the first example by selling the computer and online service your paying a few thousand for and give the funds to help the starving yidden.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 11:03 AM Anonymous Says:

we need our rabonim for every thing. when somone is going thru hard times he runs for every rovs,rebbas bracha so now when one does somthing we don't undestand we scream at him what we choose when we need the rabbonim..

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 11:29 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #57  
Anonymous Says:

what $5000 for a singer when so many yidden are starving do you want us to mention by your levya that you spent 5000 on a singer by your sons wedding

Please don't preach. If you want to do that with your money above and beyond maaser, that is your choice. People have every right to do with their money what they please (once they give maaser and stay within halachah). You sound like a Socialist. Go join Comrade Obama.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 11:28 AM Eli Says:

Reply to #25  
OY VEY Says:

please mispallel for this Man.
He is a good man.
He obviously believes he is doing something good.
As do the NK people who think they are following The Satmar Rebbe, ZT"L
Maybe he has developed a chemical imbalance.
Many of the people in his circle wouldn't notice if he did.
His father, Rav Gedalya Schorr, ZT"L was a Rosh Yeshiva in Torah Vodaath, and would never have done something like this.

Too many rabbanim are 'chasuv;' only because of their yichus

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 11:24 AM Anonymous Says:


Lipa ia not a good influence on our children,

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 11:00 AM Anonymous Says:

the discussion here is not if you like lipa or not, if he is a bal chesed,or not, and if shorr is truly a godel,or not.......regardless no one has a right to come to someone's simcha and turn it into a rumpus, the definition of "bal simcha" means that its his simcha, 1 thing though gotta give credit to lipa how he handeld himself!

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:58 AM Anonymous Says:

where is our EMUNAS CHACHAMIM what happened with us there is no such thing as torah authority today. it sounds like we dont mashiach to come when he does there will be a beis din we are gonna heve to listen to then its not gonna be an option to listen to torah athority

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:17 AM Anonymous Says:

המלבין פני חבירו ברבים אין לו חלק לעולם הבא בבא מציאה נ"ט ע"ב

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 11:35 AM Anonymous Says:

Rabbi Schorr I have good news, did you know that to embarrassing a human being is like the thee biggest sins, (Mesachtah soitah daaf 10 toisfes)

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 11:33 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #11  
Anonymous Says:

BORUCH - if Schorr would have been a choshuve person, you would have made some sense. But he is NOT a choshuve person, if only because he was oveir on 'hamalbim penei chaveiro barabim - EIN LO CHELEK BEOLAM HABA'. Plus there were actually real choshuva rabonim at that wedding - and they had no problem with Lipa singing.

It's been a long time since we've seen an erliche yid taking action like hrav Shorr shelite did, taking on the midah if Pinches Ben yoir. Veloi chileesi es bnei yisroel bekanoi es kinosi besoichem. Yehi chelki itoi.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:58 AM Anonymous Says:

where is our EMUNAS CHACHAMIM what happened with us there is no such thing as torah authority today. it sounds like we dont mashiach to come when he does there will be a beis din we are gonna heve to listen to then its not gonna be an option to listen to torah athority

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:50 AM Anonymous Says:

Rabosi if you agree with what a Rov does/did you still have to respeact our Rabbonim its RABBI Scohr. Re Ahron Kotler and the sattmar rov Reb Yoel didny agree on many thinls but they had real kovod for each other. there is always to sides to a story may be VIN can speak to Rabbi Schor and ask him his side of the story. btw I admire how lipa was able to control himself

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:43 AM Anonymous Says:

It's amazing how self-proclaimed Gedolim can act this way and get any respect at all. Bunch of idiots. At least Lipa did something to get the respect and celebrity status that he has. Schorr, do something good for the community and you too will be respected and noticed without having to bring others down to get yourself up. Lo Sachmod is one of the big 10!

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:17 AM hitman neil Says:

very well said #3........ Lipa KOL HAKAVOD you kept your cool and did not cave into the non sense of the "RA" bonim.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 11:36 AM Anonymous Says:

How was this schor guy not thrown out immediately? It is extremely disrespectful to disturb a wedding- this is supposed to be a day that the happy couple never forgets! (Well now you can be sure they wont)

I know if it was my wedding and he did this i would have thrown him out myself.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 11:48 AM a simple jew Says:

Yasher Koach to Rabbi Schorr - We need more Rabbanim like him!

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 11:44 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #69  
yungerman Says:

I know rav schorr from his yeshiva days when he was mashgiach and I'm still very close to him.I have asked him many times why he does these things? And he answered.when there is pain, you scream.he doesn't care what people say about him.
He has a heart of gold even though it might apear otherwise.
Speaking about molestation he has voiced about this too,and people pounced on him. So make up your mind and don't be hypocritical you want a rov that wants molesters locked up, he is the one so why when he is against concerts and lipa you pounce on him again
I listen and love to hear lipa and I feel bad about it
I will ask rov schorr about this bl"n and will report here what he says

There is no excuse for this behavior by someone who calls him "rav". You say he was not a rav but perhaps worked as a mashgiach somewhere. Clearly on rav with with any knowledge of torah, midos or halacha would have acted this way at a simcha. He clearly must be ill or is suffering from some personality disorder. Either way, he should get help and seek forgiveness from LIPA as well as the chasen/kallah.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 11:43 AM Askipeh Hanidreses Says:

Reply to #54  
Anonymous Says:

Several people here commented that Lipas negina style (rock) has a bad influence - are you really that stupid - many Chasidic melodies are Goyish European marching tunes or Beer-Hall tuned - did you see that as a bad influence??

Several Chasidic nigena's are Church melodies - is that a bad influence??

These tunes can be heard in Skver, Satmar etc etc every Shabbos and even Yom Kippur!

So which is Ovoda Zara Lipa or this alleged rabbis actions???

Can you tell us which songs these are?

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 11:41 AM Loaded Cannon Says:

If you look at Rabbi Schorr's career and the shuls he davened and schools he was affiliated with, they'll all agree that he's a loaded cannon. I'm surprised he was able to control himself till now. We pray to Hashem that he will able to control himself in the future.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 12:07 PM BB Says:

"Rabbi" Schorr, no matter his position, has some gall dictating who can perform at someone else's simcha. Lips is an ehrliche Yid and if "Rabbi" Schorr doesn't care for his music he doesn't have to buy his albums. To diminish someone else's simcha for ones personal hang ups, does not a role model make. Shame on him and all the others trying to Talibanisize Yiddishkeit.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 12:03 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #73  
Anonymous Says:

Please don't preach. If you want to do that with your money above and beyond maaser, that is your choice. People have every right to do with their money what they please (once they give maaser and stay within halachah). You sound like a Socialist. Go join Comrade Obama.

yea pople could spend their money wich ever way they want but after 120 I think the person will have an eaiser time answeing as to what you did with your money I gave it to satrvung yidden tzedakah then I paid for a singer by my sons wedding

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 11:57 AM Ailu v'Ailu Says:

Rabosai,
I am proud of Rav Schorr for standing up for what he believes in like Pinchas and the deaf Yid who knocked Eisav's head off at Yaakov Avinu's levaya. Hey, here is a Rav who is showing Yidden how to act like a man when he feels there is a break in a gevul. That is the proper way to view this maisah. End of story. Lipa is an entertainer and he will have problems because of his style of music. That's what happens when anyone breaks a gvul. Happened in the Goyishe world with Elvis and all the other goyishe bands and happened with Shlock Rock and now Lipa in the Yeshivishe and Chasidishe Olam. That's life. Yidden act like men !!! Grow up !!!

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 11:56 AM I dont understand but.. Says:

I was not there and I don't know what happened previous to the blurry video shown here. Let me start by saying that I enjoy Lipa's music and I can't imagine Lipa having done anything that would have warranted asking him to stop singing. None the less:

1) Just because you don't understand Rabbi Schorr's actions it does not mean that he is/was wrong. For example - the halacha is that if someone talks during Kaddish your are to rebuke him. The implication from halacha is that is the case even in public. I have been in shuls that follow this in practice. There is no question that the person that was talking gets publicly embarrassed. I know that there are shuls where this practice is not followed - and there are also reasons given for this. My point is - if a person would not know this halacha he would say that the person offering the rebuke is a Rozteiach. So we have established that there are times where one may act to stop a wrong even if it causes embarrassment. I am not suggesting that LIPA did anything wrong - and of course chas vsholom , not that he did anything as serious as talking during Kaddish! I am just saying that there are times where action must be taken even if it embarrasses someone. I am not anywhere knowledgeable enough to know under what circumstances this would apply. I am merely pointing out that this concept exists.

2. I am not a talmid of Rabbi Schorr's, but I have been to his shul. He has hundreds of mispallelim/talmidim. These are intelligent, well educated, precious yidden that look to him for their ruchnious. His shiur regularly has hundreds of attendess. When you disparage their Rav, you are insulting the mispallelim and causing damage to the chinuch of thier children. How would like it if someone referred to your rav in a disrespectful manner?

3. I dont think anyone that has first hand knowledge of Rabbi Schorr would disagree that he is a Talmid Chochom. He is absolutley brilliant and learns for hours non-stop. If he publicly acted to stop Lipa, then he did so based on his understanding of Halacha and Haskofa. If you have never even learned through the entire Shulchan Oruch once, how could you have the chutzpah to say that he is wrong, yet alone insult him! I can understand asking questions. You don't have to accept his psak, or outlook on life. You can be upset at him if he ruined your good time at the wedding. But how can anyone insult him based on this?

I personally don't understand why Rabbi Schorr did this, and I imagine that none of my Rebbeim would have done this. But where is the respect for Rabbi Schorr's Torah? There are halachos in the Kovod that one is required to have for a Talmid Chachom. The Shulcha Aruch doesn't state that if you don't understand the actions of a Rav or if we don't paskin like a particular Rav that we are not obligated in respect!!

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 11:55 AM eppis a guy Says:

i was there. i think lipa is trying to fill an inexistant position in klal yisrael, SUPERSTARDOM. i think he should be put in his place, and be alerted regarding the red lines he repeatedly crosses. nevertheless, schor is the wrong man for the job. its impossible to unite judaism under the flag of kanaaus. thats why pinchas hid his spear when he went to kill zimry.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 11:55 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #80  
Anonymous Says:

It's been a long time since we've seen an erliche yid taking action like hrav Shorr shelite did, taking on the midah if Pinches Ben yoir. Veloi chileesi es bnei yisroel bekanoi es kinosi besoichem. Yehi chelki itoi.

Rab Schorr (at least spell his name properly) is NOT an erliche yid...he had no business interrupting a wedding where Lipa had been asked to sing by the chosen's family. He has no midos and no common sense. You can quote all the psukim you want from tanach but that will not rationalize or help such a troubled individual. Would you interrupt davening at shul if you felt the nusach of the chazan was not appropriate? Rav Schorr was trying to attract attention to himself and before this is all over, he will be sorry he acted as he did. He should be begging for forgiveness.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 11:54 AM Realist Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

RABBI SCHOR explaind his actions in 2 words avode zura.

B'mechilas k'vodo, what the rav did was SHFICHAS DOMIM!
Is he comparing himself to Pinchos who was shofech dam in response to the 3rd one of the 3 big aveiros? If he thinks that this kano-us will also result in a brocho of "HINENI NOSEYN LO ES BRISI SHALOM", I'm afraid he is sadly mistaken.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 12:20 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #91  
Anonymous Says:

yea pople could spend their money wich ever way they want but after 120 I think the person will have an eaiser time answeing as to what you did with your money I gave it to satrvung yidden tzedakah then I paid for a singer by my sons wedding

So spend the bare minimum on everything in your life and give the rest to Tzedaka. That is your choice to make, don't lecture other people what to do with their hard earned money.

Very impressed with Lipa's self control in that situation. We should all learn from it.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 12:19 PM WTG lipa Says:

Lipa gives a lot of tzeddaka gives so much time of himself helping other yidden. Go ask all the people sitting in hospitals with cancer what lipa does for him. Maybe rabbi schorr should learn from him and stop dictating what other people should do. there was nothing halachically wrong with what lipa did and it was wrong what rabbi schorr did he should be asahmed of himself.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 12:18 PM menachem Says:

Reply to #82  
Anonymous Says:

Rabosi if you agree with what a Rov does/did you still have to respeact our Rabbonim its RABBI Scohr. Re Ahron Kotler and the sattmar rov Reb Yoel didny agree on many thinls but they had real kovod for each other. there is always to sides to a story may be VIN can speak to Rabbi Schor and ask him his side of the story. btw I admire how lipa was able to control himself

rabbonim need to gain respect by their actions and no we are not like sheep who follow every fool who decides to call himself a gadol............

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 12:23 PM Anonymous Says:

I do not know who is right or wrong in this bizzare story. However, for purposes of holding up kovod hatorah, the gemara says, "divrei chachomim b'nachas nishmoim"
The proper approach must be utilized when attempting to effectuate change.

Making a scene at a wedding does not bring kovod hatorah. Chas v'sholom, it brings out the worst in people.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 12:31 PM ShatzMatz Says:

I was at the wedding and know both mecutanim. the finest people you will find anywhere. They don't deserve all this controversy surrounding this incident. One of the mechutanim is one of the choshuvest mispalelim by R. Shur. I think that in consideration of one of his biggest baalie batim, perhaps R. Shur should have controlled himself better at the wedding. Now, not only was the wedding tainted, but there are hard feelings between the mechutanim, which is not a healthy way to start a marriage.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 12:29 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #93  
I dont understand but.. Says:

I was not there and I don't know what happened previous to the blurry video shown here. Let me start by saying that I enjoy Lipa's music and I can't imagine Lipa having done anything that would have warranted asking him to stop singing. None the less:

1) Just because you don't understand Rabbi Schorr's actions it does not mean that he is/was wrong. For example - the halacha is that if someone talks during Kaddish your are to rebuke him. The implication from halacha is that is the case even in public. I have been in shuls that follow this in practice. There is no question that the person that was talking gets publicly embarrassed. I know that there are shuls where this practice is not followed - and there are also reasons given for this. My point is - if a person would not know this halacha he would say that the person offering the rebuke is a Rozteiach. So we have established that there are times where one may act to stop a wrong even if it causes embarrassment. I am not suggesting that LIPA did anything wrong - and of course chas vsholom , not that he did anything as serious as talking during Kaddish! I am just saying that there are times where action must be taken even if it embarrasses someone. I am not anywhere knowledgeable enough to know under what circumstances this would apply. I am merely pointing out that this concept exists.

2. I am not a talmid of Rabbi Schorr's, but I have been to his shul. He has hundreds of mispallelim/talmidim. These are intelligent, well educated, precious yidden that look to him for their ruchnious. His shiur regularly has hundreds of attendess. When you disparage their Rav, you are insulting the mispallelim and causing damage to the chinuch of thier children. How would like it if someone referred to your rav in a disrespectful manner?

3. I dont think anyone that has first hand knowledge of Rabbi Schorr would disagree that he is a Talmid Chochom. He is absolutley brilliant and learns for hours non-stop. If he publicly acted to stop Lipa, then he did so based on his understanding of Halacha and Haskofa. If you have never even learned through the entire Shulchan Oruch once, how could you have the chutzpah to say that he is wrong, yet alone insult him! I can understand asking questions. You don't have to accept his psak, or outlook on life. You can be upset at him if he ruined your good time at the wedding. But how can anyone insult him based on this?

I personally don't understand why Rabbi Schorr did this, and I imagine that none of my Rebbeim would have done this. But where is the respect for Rabbi Schorr's Torah? There are halachos in the Kovod that one is required to have for a Talmid Chachom. The Shulcha Aruch doesn't state that if you don't understand the actions of a Rav or if we don't paskin like a particular Rav that we are not obligated in respect!!

The problem with what your saying that just because we dont understand, doesnt mean we should questions is the following. There has to be some point where you say this guy is not a gadoel. If someone who is a big talmud chachum walks the street naked and does not nice things, can you say "just because we dont understand" lets not question? Where does it stop?

By shabsai Tzvi, people also said "dont question a gadoel" even when he converted to islam. Its not like he put on a gartel on shabbos or a issue like that where we can say "dont question a gadoel" - He runined someones simcha and was embaraased someone when no gadoel agrees that one may act that way ( I hope not)

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 12:27 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #92  
Ailu v'Ailu Says:

Rabosai,
I am proud of Rav Schorr for standing up for what he believes in like Pinchas and the deaf Yid who knocked Eisav's head off at Yaakov Avinu's levaya. Hey, here is a Rav who is showing Yidden how to act like a man when he feels there is a break in a gevul. That is the proper way to view this maisah. End of story. Lipa is an entertainer and he will have problems because of his style of music. That's what happens when anyone breaks a gvul. Happened in the Goyishe world with Elvis and all the other goyishe bands and happened with Shlock Rock and now Lipa in the Yeshivishe and Chasidishe Olam. That's life. Yidden act like men !!! Grow up !!!

What? We Yiddin know that to embarrass a fellow Jew is is like killing him, and it's like " avoidah zurah" look toisfes soitah d' yud!

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 12:27 PM yungerman Says:

Kol hakavod harav schor

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 12:39 PM a simple Jew Says:

I am a fellow Jew who loves music. I know that there were singers before Lipa and there will be singers after Lipa. I do not have anything against Lipa personally. I do know that I feel very uncomfortable about what Lipa is creating . For that reason alone I would ban Lipa from every Jewish Home. He is challenging our Gedolim ,and I am not referring to anyone one in particular. Who is he? He developed a cult like following. It is not about his new wave of so called Jewish music anymore. It is much bigger then that. It took a life of its own. He has a following.... a following that is growing by unifying agasint our leaders. That is scary. I think he should be banned from singing. Sorry, I think alot of this is causing to much machlocis. Singing is supposed to bring prure Simcha not Chas Vashlom to challenge Das Torah.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 12:37 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #47  
Anonymous Says:

Rabosi if you agree with what a Rov does/did or do not agree we still have to Respeact them its RABBI Schor. Reb Ahron Kotler and Reb Yoelish didn't agree on many things but they had real emes kavod for each other May be with us people which have so much time on our hands should go ask Rabbi Schor why he did what he did there are all ways to sides of a story I Respeact Lipa for controling himself but again there are all ways to sided of a story.

how dare u compare shorr with reb aaron & the satmar rebba

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 12:35 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to 55.
This has been bothering me and many many people for awhile now. Unfortunately, when people get empowered with numbers (Jewish community and Yeshivas bursting at the seams) some do not know how to handle the new situation and do harm to future of the Jewish community.
As far the incident...
While I personally believe that Harav Schorr is a "Kanui", one must be careful how they relate to him in words. Even if he made one person learn more Torah, he has to be judged with white gloves. Let Hashem judge him and if you do not like him, don't invite him or just keep away from him.
Good Shabbath

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 11:43 AM I WAS THERE Says:

i was there and this account of the incident is far from the truth

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 10:59 AM Anonymous Says:

My understanding is that the one of the sides in the simcha first tried to get Lipa to leave on his own and Lipa refused. Then he went over and told the rabbonim, (not only Rav Schorr) that he did not like Lipa and did not want him singing. Lipa insisted on staying, claiming he was invited by the other side. If one of the balei simicha did not want Lipa - then Lipa should have just left without any commotion. If you do not know all the facts you should not rush to any conclusions about this adom gadol.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 12:59 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #106  
Anonymous Says:

how dare u compare shorr with reb aaron & the satmar rebba

He may have a long way to go to be in the class of those Torah and Ahavas Yisroel giants of the past, but he is a respectable rov himself. He messed up here. He may have believed he was in the right. There was obviously a difference in opinion between the mechutanim over whether they liked Lipa. But it should not have been handled in a way to embarrass Lipa, or cause an embarrassment in a chasina.
So, showing him an example, asking him to think about how the giants of the previous dor behaved may be a way to get him to want to learn from them.

I do not believe the writer intended to say he was in the same class of any of the three he mentioned.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 12:59 PM Barney Says:

Reply to #61  
Anonymous Says:

This story is a sad commentary on how "frumkeit" devolved in the last few decades. A Beis Yaakov teacher could destroy a girl who she deems is too pretty and, therefore, untzniusdik; schools discriminating between children based on the color of their father's shirts, Charadim beating up women for sitting on the wrong side of the bus and people like Schorr deceiving our gedolim into signing a frivolous ban.

Instead of being ashamed of what he's done, especially now that R' Shmuel Kamanitzki publicly endorsed the "Event," and impliedly apologized for banning the past one, Shorr continues to bully Lipa-- all, of course, L'shem Shamyim.

HAHA, he endorses it, yeah right, I wanna see him go! He has no choice because the whole thing blew up in his face!

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 12:58 PM True Picture Says:

You must be melamed zechus - the Rabbi was jsut helping Lipa get publicity for his concert. Look how well it worked!

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 12:57 PM Anonymous Says:

this stuff is all crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 12:54 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #109  
Anonymous Says:

My understanding is that the one of the sides in the simcha first tried to get Lipa to leave on his own and Lipa refused. Then he went over and told the rabbonim, (not only Rav Schorr) that he did not like Lipa and did not want him singing. Lipa insisted on staying, claiming he was invited by the other side. If one of the balei simicha did not want Lipa - then Lipa should have just left without any commotion. If you do not know all the facts you should not rush to any conclusions about this adom gadol.

you admit yourself that your version is only tour understanding. Obviously others understood the story differently. Why should we differ to your version?

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 12:53 PM Anonymous Says:

lipa you should not feel bad hasheam sees what going on he knows you listned to the rabbis yet they still embarsed you for no reason hes jealos hes colt has lost some members and hes not doing as well as u you help thousands of people u vist hundreds in hospitals i even know a story when u visted a sick shild 4 in the morning so dont feel bad hashem will pay u back for all the embarsment . with all your great music which helps so many sick pepole or just people who are down dont worry your place in shmayim will be a lot higher ahen those kanoyim who do nothing with there lives but making pepole feel bad mamsh a story of bar kamtza

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 01:09 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #59  
tina Says:

Your stupid. If you spend $5000 on a singer, your helping to stimulate the frum community and not taking money away from anyone. As long as it stays in the frum worlds, the money isnt lost. Hes actually doing more for poor yidden when he spends this money to a frum singer. Also, he never said when he did it - maybe it was 5 years ago when things were good. Finally, nobody I know is starving. If you lost your job, you can get unemployment, food stamps, etc

Please read the comment before you comment. He did say that he is soon marrying off his son, not no 5 years ago or so. And your point that it's as good as giving to the 'poor' is in my humble opinion a very "poor' comparrison.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 01:07 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #101  
ShatzMatz Says:

I was at the wedding and know both mecutanim. the finest people you will find anywhere. They don't deserve all this controversy surrounding this incident. One of the mechutanim is one of the choshuvest mispalelim by R. Shur. I think that in consideration of one of his biggest baalie batim, perhaps R. Shur should have controlled himself better at the wedding. Now, not only was the wedding tainted, but there are hard feelings between the mechutanim, which is not a healthy way to start a marriage.

thats exactly it the rav does what is right no matter what he isnt in anyones control except hashem what do you toyim consider listening to rabbonim when you agree?? thats not called listening i cant wait when hashem asks who stood up for the kavod of the tzadik i will say i did and you guys who dont even know the stroy automatically side with lipa ignoring a chosheva rav you guys just hate rabbonim

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 01:04 PM Satmar Man Says:

Reply to #109  
Anonymous Says:

My understanding is that the one of the sides in the simcha first tried to get Lipa to leave on his own and Lipa refused. Then he went over and told the rabbonim, (not only Rav Schorr) that he did not like Lipa and did not want him singing. Lipa insisted on staying, claiming he was invited by the other side. If one of the balei simicha did not want Lipa - then Lipa should have just left without any commotion. If you do not know all the facts you should not rush to any conclusions about this adom gadol.

I don't care if the mechutanim could not agree, all should have been handled with better kid gloves and more class. Handled correctly, no one would have noticed.

Besides, even for the baalei simcha, you don't upset your kids' chasina because YOU don't like Lipa. I don't like his music either. But if my son or daughter were friends with him, and they wanted him at the chasina, and he was already there, NO WAY would I have caused any problems. No one would have known that I did not like his being there. I would have shaken his hand with a warm smile and a thank you for coming. Just because I don't like Lipa's music does not give me right to ruin or damage my daughter's or son's wedding memories. Having class means sometimes swallowing YOUR wants and desires and respecting others.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 01:03 PM Anonymous Says:

Really shocked how people are so strong for lipa and against Rabbi Schor, let me ask all of you a simple question if chas vshulem you are in a tsura and you only a chice of those 2 people to go to explain your tsura and he should pray to god for you to whom would you go to rabbi schor or to lipa, next if you need help in hashkufa and you need a daas torah to whom would you go to rabbi schor or to lipa, sure rabbi schor so du you don't trust him here wgat he do, if you don't understand him go ask him he has a daas torah and I'm surr he would. Be dlad to answer you, and what people saying that lipa are mkarev yidishe kinder that's is shtisim its not true he brings in the goyishkeit in yidishe songs, and what lipa ask ehrlicha yidn zenen mkarev shvachere that's what he do he want to be mkarav the shvacha nshumes lhashem yisbrech and he hold that lipa is a big problam for this because he is a avoida zura

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 01:03 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #109  
Anonymous Says:

My understanding is that the one of the sides in the simcha first tried to get Lipa to leave on his own and Lipa refused. Then he went over and told the rabbonim, (not only Rav Schorr) that he did not like Lipa and did not want him singing. Lipa insisted on staying, claiming he was invited by the other side. If one of the balei simicha did not want Lipa - then Lipa should have just left without any commotion. If you do not know all the facts you should not rush to any conclusions about this adom gadol.

Soooo, Rav Schorr was acting as the Enforcer??? A gadol's job is that of a glorified "hitman"? Really???

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 12:52 PM Satmar Man Says:

Reply to #93  
I dont understand but.. Says:

I was not there and I don't know what happened previous to the blurry video shown here. Let me start by saying that I enjoy Lipa's music and I can't imagine Lipa having done anything that would have warranted asking him to stop singing. None the less:

1) Just because you don't understand Rabbi Schorr's actions it does not mean that he is/was wrong. For example - the halacha is that if someone talks during Kaddish your are to rebuke him. The implication from halacha is that is the case even in public. I have been in shuls that follow this in practice. There is no question that the person that was talking gets publicly embarrassed. I know that there are shuls where this practice is not followed - and there are also reasons given for this. My point is - if a person would not know this halacha he would say that the person offering the rebuke is a Rozteiach. So we have established that there are times where one may act to stop a wrong even if it causes embarrassment. I am not suggesting that LIPA did anything wrong - and of course chas vsholom , not that he did anything as serious as talking during Kaddish! I am just saying that there are times where action must be taken even if it embarrasses someone. I am not anywhere knowledgeable enough to know under what circumstances this would apply. I am merely pointing out that this concept exists.

2. I am not a talmid of Rabbi Schorr's, but I have been to his shul. He has hundreds of mispallelim/talmidim. These are intelligent, well educated, precious yidden that look to him for their ruchnious. His shiur regularly has hundreds of attendess. When you disparage their Rav, you are insulting the mispallelim and causing damage to the chinuch of thier children. How would like it if someone referred to your rav in a disrespectful manner?

3. I dont think anyone that has first hand knowledge of Rabbi Schorr would disagree that he is a Talmid Chochom. He is absolutley brilliant and learns for hours non-stop. If he publicly acted to stop Lipa, then he did so based on his understanding of Halacha and Haskofa. If you have never even learned through the entire Shulchan Oruch once, how could you have the chutzpah to say that he is wrong, yet alone insult him! I can understand asking questions. You don't have to accept his psak, or outlook on life. You can be upset at him if he ruined your good time at the wedding. But how can anyone insult him based on this?

I personally don't understand why Rabbi Schorr did this, and I imagine that none of my Rebbeim would have done this. But where is the respect for Rabbi Schorr's Torah? There are halachos in the Kovod that one is required to have for a Talmid Chachom. The Shulcha Aruch doesn't state that if you don't understand the actions of a Rav or if we don't paskin like a particular Rav that we are not obligated in respect!!

Wrong! Yes, we have a Torah obligation to rebuke. But, NEVER to humiliate or embarrass any Jew. EVER.
and, also, the obligation to rebuke, which should be done in private, or quietly, not embarrassing anyone, is only if you truly believe the person will obey the rebuke. If you doubt he/she will change, you are supposed to keep your mouth shut.
Hochaiach Tochiach does not apply to those you know will not listen.
These issues with Lipa have been rehashed enough times that Rav Schorr knows he will not listen. So, this was not an inyan of Hochayach Tochiyach, it was just just one man, Rav Schorr, who may be a talmid chochom, doing the wrong thing.
We all make mistake, he made one at this chasina.
Neither I, nor you, nor Rav Schorr ever has a right to humilate another human being. All humans are created by Hashem. Do don't go around hurting Hashem's creations. To embarrass a person is to really hurt them.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 01:18 PM Anonymous Says:

Rabbi Schorr is full of it this is what he worries about??
What about him ruining the simcha...he is a complete maniac with a bunch of people who follow him like a cult!!

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 01:18 PM Suffered Plenty Says:

Reply to #119  
Anonymous Says:

Really shocked how people are so strong for lipa and against Rabbi Schor, let me ask all of you a simple question if chas vshulem you are in a tsura and you only a chice of those 2 people to go to explain your tsura and he should pray to god for you to whom would you go to rabbi schor or to lipa, next if you need help in hashkufa and you need a daas torah to whom would you go to rabbi schor or to lipa, sure rabbi schor so du you don't trust him here wgat he do, if you don't understand him go ask him he has a daas torah and I'm surr he would. Be dlad to answer you, and what people saying that lipa are mkarev yidishe kinder that's is shtisim its not true he brings in the goyishkeit in yidishe songs, and what lipa ask ehrlicha yidn zenen mkarev shvachere that's what he do he want to be mkarav the shvacha nshumes lhashem yisbrech and he hold that lipa is a big problam for this because he is a avoida zura

I would go to Lipa and ask him who to go to.
and I'd ask him for a Bracha.
He apparently has the Ohr Haganuz.
Do you?

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 01:16 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #5  
Anonymous Says:

This is madness. If there was any physical contact, this Rav Schorr should be arrested and charged with assualt. At a minimum, he seems to be in need of psychiatric help.

Thanks for the heads up Brafman. Although you have no knowledge of criminal law at all, I am proud that you don't let that get in the way of your offering us your firmly stated opinions that drip with ignorance as well as a little bizayon for a massive talmid chochom. Great job! (Battery, not assault, you huge dumbkopf).

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 01:13 PM Askipeh Hanidreses Says:

Reply to #44  
monsey'er Says:

I know one thing, Reb Avruhm Schorr is a Yid a talmed Chucim and Yiras Shomiem, vs Lipa Schmeltzer the lowest of the low.

Aoutmotacly the shvacher oilem will give Lipa right, and the Serious oilam will understand that Rav Schorr knows what hes doing!!

Not necessarily. There are many issues here regarding Rav Schorr and Reb Lipa; I’ll mention a few. As far as Lipa is concerned, he comes across as a Guta Neshoma. I have nothing Chas VeSholom against Lipa personally, but I do have a problem with his songs. His songs are more to the “Hollelous” side and great “Yiras Shomayim” someone won’t get from it. It’s not only Lipa’s music which I’m against (for myself and those who care to listen), but most music sung at today’s Chaseness are not to my taste. It is embarrassing to see a very Chosheve person arriving to a Simcha and without a choice will try to dance with a song like “Ben Bag Bag”. Can you imagine the Chofetz Chaim or the previous Belzer Rebbe dancing Ben Bag Bag. Try to picture it because it will help you understand. Now Rav Schorr is a Talmid Chochom but nobody has made him a Godol BeYisroel. A Godol BeYisroel is not made just like that; people have to make him one. Not knowing more details and it is possible that one of the Machetonim wanted Lipa to stop, it was not Rav Schorr’s job to tell Lipa to stop, and surely it was wrong for him to be mevayesh Lipa beRabbim. It’s unfortunate that in a dor like ours Rav Schorr doesn’t know his place. Sometimes being Mocheh is an Aveireh, and not being Mocheh is a Mitzvah.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 01:13 PM Anonymous Says:

In the Goyishe Hip-hop Velt when an entertainer releases a new album there are many times they will arrange a publicity stunt like a shooting in front of the studio etc.This way their name is all over the news and it is free advertising. Hey Lipa just put out a new album... Coincidence????

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 01:12 PM Anonymous Says:

So Rav Schorr is jealous because Lipa is a better singer?! Thank you for your sophisticated analysis and razor sharp insights into the cutting edge of psychology.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 01:11 PM oyyyy Says:

what has happened to the jewish world its sick rabbis that want to controll this world this rav to embarss in public its discusting its a discrase this rav should be banned away we don't want u we don't need you
lipa has brought so many much closer to hashem

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 01:11 PM music maven Says:

to 50 and 54... Yes, Jewish music has often borrowed music styles from the surrounding culture throughout the galus. The difference here is (1) the culture of today is more decadent than ever before and, (2) Lipa embraces not just the music but the culture itself, through his very distasteful mode of performance, facial expressions, body movements, costumes and the like.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 12:51 PM nopatiencefornaars Says:

Reply to #92  
Ailu v'Ailu Says:

Rabosai,
I am proud of Rav Schorr for standing up for what he believes in like Pinchas and the deaf Yid who knocked Eisav's head off at Yaakov Avinu's levaya. Hey, here is a Rav who is showing Yidden how to act like a man when he feels there is a break in a gevul. That is the proper way to view this maisah. End of story. Lipa is an entertainer and he will have problems because of his style of music. That's what happens when anyone breaks a gvul. Happened in the Goyishe world with Elvis and all the other goyishe bands and happened with Shlock Rock and now Lipa in the Yeshivishe and Chasidishe Olam. That's life. Yidden act like men !!! Grow up !!!

Comapring this to Elvis? You're naive and a sheep who doesn't think. The issue is not about Lipa's music, its politics and generated by people with agendas. And suckers jump on board. You can see from the video that 1) Lipa was singing "kosher" music, 2) dancing --- he wasn't gyrating like Elvis. You talk about deaf yidden (p.s. its Chushim ben Dan you am haaretz) knocking off heads -- I think it would be of better use knocking the useless head of tipshim like you? Oh wait, can't do that -- you need a place to park your Borsalino.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 01:30 PM menachem Says:

who gets to rebuke the so called gedolim?

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 01:30 PM Chaim Greenberg Says:

Reply to #119  
Anonymous Says:

Really shocked how people are so strong for lipa and against Rabbi Schor, let me ask all of you a simple question if chas vshulem you are in a tsura and you only a chice of those 2 people to go to explain your tsura and he should pray to god for you to whom would you go to rabbi schor or to lipa, next if you need help in hashkufa and you need a daas torah to whom would you go to rabbi schor or to lipa, sure rabbi schor so du you don't trust him here wgat he do, if you don't understand him go ask him he has a daas torah and I'm surr he would. Be dlad to answer you, and what people saying that lipa are mkarev yidishe kinder that's is shtisim its not true he brings in the goyishkeit in yidishe songs, and what lipa ask ehrlicha yidn zenen mkarev shvachere that's what he do he want to be mkarav the shvacha nshumes lhashem yisbrech and he hold that lipa is a big problam for this because he is a avoida zura

I will defenetly not go To Rabbi Shorr, for my shaalos, Toirah makes a person wise, I guess it did not hapen in this case..

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 01:30 PM TAKUNA Says:

in order to preserve shalom bayis for ish vishto & shlom between mecutunim - a new takuna is being launched:
from now on, shacunim must ask both sides prior to redding the shiduch - "what is you thought about lipa singging at a chassuna"

this can prevent catasrophis like this one - because it seems one mecitiin was freinds with lipa - and wanted him to sing - and the other michittin was a r' schor chusid, and farshteitzach didnt want lipa to sing.

I pray that this incident will not spill over into the relationship of the new mechtunnim, and chas v'shulom to the newly young coupple

MAZEL TOV CHUSSIN KALLAH! ENJOY YOUR SHABBOS SHEVA BRUCHIS.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 01:30 PM jt Says:

There are people that are calling Rabbi Shorr and Lipa all kinds of dirty things and that is the problem. Just because somebody has done something wrong it doesn’t mean that we have to cowardly bash them on the internet. When I have an issue with somebody I talk to them respectfully and talk about them respectfully. All the threads just seem to come from a pure emotional place and the people who write them come off as just having an agenda. The problem is that all the respect is gone. People don’t respect each other. People don’t think about the implications of their words and actions. My father always rebukes us kids when we said that a restaurant is not good because he says that is somebody’s parnassah. That is a man who thinks about another person. My father is a very opinionated person but he always expresses it in a respectful way. I have a rough time accepting an opinion if it comes off as unbridled passion. If this story affects people why don’t they do the following? Take upon yourself to treat one person with more respect than you usually would have. It doesn’t have to be a kabala forever just do something that shows that you are not just listening to gossip but taking something out of it. As a torah Jew I don’t believe in coincidences. All events that happen can be a lesson for all of us we just have to look at it the right way. In addition everybody should read the book "Reb Shlomo" about Rabbi Shlomo Freifeld because from there a person can learn what it means to love EVERY Jew. Have a beautiful and uplifting Shabbos.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 01:29 PM Shoite Watcher Says:

Reply to #111  
Barney Says:

HAHA, he endorses it, yeah right, I wanna see him go! He has no choice because the whole thing blew up in his face!

Do you even know Rav Shmuel Kamintezky?
I take it you don't.
Nothing is blowing up in anyone's face.
He is a tzaddik who cares about every yid.
Even foolish ones like you.

Get a bracha from him someday.
For wisdom, understanding and clarity.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 01:24 PM Anonymous Says:

reply to 105
Your login appears to be wanting and borders on the absurd -
"I do know that I feel very uncomfortable about what Lipa is creating . For that reason alone I would ban Lipa from every Jewish Home." Really?? Do you know how your computer internally works? Probably not, but you havn't banned it from your home!
"He is challenging our Gedolim..." Execpt for the few "ban-happy" personalities, I havn't heard any Gedolim say that Lipa is challenging them.
"He developed a cult like following..."
unfotunately you do not know the definition of the word "cult". A cult is a particular form of religion worship. Religion worship is a full time dedication. I like Lipa's music, but when it stops, so does he.
"by unifying against our leaders..." this is the hight of irresposible accusation. I am a Lipa admirer and so are many of my colleagues but daas Torah always comes first.
"Singing is supposed to bring prure Simcha ..." but stupidity brings a lot of angst...

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 12:48 PM Anonymous Says:

to #52 Mechutan who says "oh how i wish this would happen at my sons wedding there would be no more schorr"

It seems like you would like "action" by your son's wedding.

That's why you pay (crazy amounts) 5K for an actor to be by the wedding.

That's why you wish Rav Schorr would be coming there...

But, that's NOT a Simchah you're looking for.
That's הוללות. Action. Wild. High. Pop Stars. Party. Arrest. Rip beards.

Why would you want your son's wedding to be a concert?

Why would you want your son's wedding to be a show?

Why would you spend such amounts for this?

Why do you wish to have somebody arrested at your son's wedding?

Is that how your wedding looked like?

What is your definition of "Simcha"?


Have you thought about -

using that money to feed some poor families the night of the wedding?

Or to help marry off an orphan?

to give it to your son the Choson towards a down-payment for a house?



Wishing you Mazel Tov with True Simcha.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 12:46 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #106  
Anonymous Says:

how dare u compare shorr with reb aaron & the satmar rebba

I am comparing? i was just trying to bring out a point about respect!

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 12:46 PM Satmar Man Says:

Listen, I too have some problems with some of Lipa's songs. He is a great guy, I love him as a person, and he IS very talented. But, I can understand the problems people have with what he chooses to sing, and they way he does, etc.,

That being said,
"With all due respect, How dare you, Rav Schorr, take it upon yourself to act like a beheima? To embarrass another Yid in public? To upset someone's Chasina?
Is that what you want this precious kallah to remember about her Chasina? That Rav Schorr started trouble at her chasina."

"And, even if Lipa's being there was an unpleasent surprise for one of the mechutanim, and he may have been upset by Lipa's being there and singing, that still does not give YOU, Rav Schorr, the right to hurt the chosson and kallah, and embarrass this precious yid, Lipa, whom you disagree with.

"Whatever you think about Lipa's music did NEVER give you the right to embarrass Lipa, the chosson, the kallah, the mechutanim, or any of the guests.
Yes, your behavior embarrassed them all. These all are precious yidden, and one may never, EVER, embarrass a fellow Jew, or Hashem forbid upset someone's chasina. Shame on you."

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 12:45 PM WolfishMusings Says:

Reply to #108  
I WAS THERE Says:

i was there and this account of the incident is far from the truth

So, what did happen?

The Wolf

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 12:40 PM Anonymous Says:

this rabbi shorr just did a very bad thing. he should be ashamed, at a chassaneh, and then he wants to think he is so righteous. a tzadik in peltz!

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 02:34 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #111  
Barney Says:

HAHA, he endorses it, yeah right, I wanna see him go! He has no choice because the whole thing blew up in his face!

It did blow up in someone's face, but NOT Rav Shmuel, shlita.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 02:32 PM End of Days Says:

Lipa was the loser here. When asked by one of the fathers of the choson and calah to stop singing and leave, he should have left. Period.

This is the problem with kamtza and bar kamtza. There is a different pshat, which is to say, bar Kamtza should have LEFT WHEN ASKED TO instead of brazenly engaging in a confrontation.

If the baal simcha went to R. Schorr and told him that Lipa would not leave, R. Schorr acted like a TZADDIK to try to get him to leave. What was he supposed to do? Sit there and let Lipa trample on the bridal party?

And if it was the Chason who asked him to sing, then he should have gracefully stopped when asked to, and tzniusly confer with the Chason, and let the Chason decide. DISRESPECTFUL to the father of the bride/choson, AND the Chason.

If this was my friend's kid's wedding, I would've done the same thing as R. Schorr.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 02:28 PM Anonymous Says:

I feel bad for the couple. Instead of enjoying the wedding they had to have it turn into a whole drama. All I can say is that how is it Mr. Schorr's business at all who sings what, IT'S NOT HIS WEDDING AND IT'S NOT HIS BUSINESS. If he doesn't like Lipa singing, he can LEAVE. People have to stick their nose into everything. At the very least he could have talked to the bal simcha first. This whole thing is just pathetic.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 02:21 PM Anonymous Says:

So many points to ponder.

1. How anyone. let alone a "Rabbi", can shter a Simcha of Choson V'Kallah is beyond me. Aren't we commanded to bring joy to a bride & groom? It sounds like "Rabbi" Shorr ruined it.

2, It doesn't matter what reasons "Rabbi" Shorr may have had & or even if he was correct. If he didn't like hearing Lipa sing, keep your dignity, protect the Baalei Simcha...and WALK OUT! My father's Rav walked out of many functions for all sorts of reasons, but never once did he cause a scene.

3. Poor Lipa was between a rock & a hard place. Does he continue to sing at the invitation of the Baal Simcha, does he leave because some madman is screaming like a lunatic, or does he get angry & physical? He kept HIS dignity, but it must have been a hard thing to decide.

4. What is it that Lipa is supposed to have done that these holy rollers hate him so? He was hired to sing at a concert that THEY decided was treife??? I feel sorry for him.

Lastly, to the Baal Simcha who said Lipa's fee was a "crazy price". Why did you have to bring that up? So we are all impressed you have money to spend on a fancy singer? Big deal. No one held a gun to your head & made you hire him. I'd sing for free. Lipa can charge what he wants. You don't want to pay his asking price? Don't! To boast like that is disgusting. If I were Lipa (& on a lower scale I have done this) I wouldn't sing. Give him back his $$. He's another jerk you'll never please.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 02:14 PM malbim pe'nie chavieroi Says:

" schorr " you know this mammar chzaal ?MITEV SHE'YAPIL ATZMOI L'TOICH KIVSHEN IESH V'AL YALBIN PENIE CHAVIEROI BERABIM big (rabbi) wild man .. be aware ....Lipe did'nt come to the wedding on his own ... he was invited ... and the mchitem have asked him to sing .. it was honor for for the mechiten ....and if you don't like it .. LEAVE (quietly) but don't be me'vaze a PUSHETE YID

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 01:59 PM Mkarpas Says:

Baruch Hashehm. We all attend tens if not hundreds of chasenes in our lifetime. After a while one wedding is the same as the other. One can't remember anyting about a particular wedding, You cannot even remember if you went to the wedding.
The only weddings I remember are the ones that someting special happened. I remember like yesterday the wedding where the chosen's side got into a fight with the kitchen staff and the mother of the chosen was knocked out anf the police were called. I also remeber the wedding where a Rav said the wrong berocho. etc

It was a stroke of brilliance to invite Liap and Rabbi Shor. Now everyone wjho was there ane the whole world will remember this chasana


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 Feb 06, 2009 at 02:44 PM midwesterner Says:

Reply to #143  
End of Days Says:

Lipa was the loser here. When asked by one of the fathers of the choson and calah to stop singing and leave, he should have left. Period.

This is the problem with kamtza and bar kamtza. There is a different pshat, which is to say, bar Kamtza should have LEFT WHEN ASKED TO instead of brazenly engaging in a confrontation.

If the baal simcha went to R. Schorr and told him that Lipa would not leave, R. Schorr acted like a TZADDIK to try to get him to leave. What was he supposed to do? Sit there and let Lipa trample on the bridal party?

And if it was the Chason who asked him to sing, then he should have gracefully stopped when asked to, and tzniusly confer with the Chason, and let the Chason decide. DISRESPECTFUL to the father of the bride/choson, AND the Chason.

If this was my friend's kid's wedding, I would've done the same thing as R. Schorr.

I don't have time to read through 144 comments, so I skippped right to the end and saw this. The choson's father asked him to sing. Which he did. The choson wanted him to sing. Which he did. The kalla's father asked him to change the song. Which he did. That was still not enough for him. Why should someone asked to sing by the Avi Hachoson, (FLOP includes music) stop, just because a guest doesn't like it?

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 02:44 PM bigwheeel Says:

Reply to #8  
Anonymous Says:

Too much explanation on behalf of Lipa... and being that the highly respected Rav Schorr was the one to conquer him doesn't make Lipa so innocent.

...I don't know this Rabbi Schorr... But, he had no right to walk up to the person, --in this case it was Lipa-- and assault him. (physically or verbally). If the attacker felt he had to say Mussar, this is neither the way nor the place!!!

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 01:58 PM Channaleh Says:

It's people like this so called Rabbi Schorr this that make kids go off the derech

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 01:56 PM Yiddishe Mama Says:

I wish there was a website where we could contact Lipa. I have a few things to say, as the mother of teenagers (who know better than to play Lipa's songs in front of me). For example, how can you take something heilig like the yehi rotzon we say by birchas Kohanim, and put in a "sound track" that sounds like it's from a goyishe horror movie (I'm a baalash teshivah so I know, but how does Lipa come to such knowledge?). So I don't agree or disagree with any of the comments, not knowing the whole story, but I do think there needs to be an appropriate way for rabbonim and parents to tell Lipa he needs to tone things down!

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 01:54 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #119  
Anonymous Says:

Really shocked how people are so strong for lipa and against Rabbi Schor, let me ask all of you a simple question if chas vshulem you are in a tsura and you only a chice of those 2 people to go to explain your tsura and he should pray to god for you to whom would you go to rabbi schor or to lipa, next if you need help in hashkufa and you need a daas torah to whom would you go to rabbi schor or to lipa, sure rabbi schor so du you don't trust him here wgat he do, if you don't understand him go ask him he has a daas torah and I'm surr he would. Be dlad to answer you, and what people saying that lipa are mkarev yidishe kinder that's is shtisim its not true he brings in the goyishkeit in yidishe songs, and what lipa ask ehrlicha yidn zenen mkarev shvachere that's what he do he want to be mkarav the shvacha nshumes lhashem yisbrech and he hold that lipa is a big problam for this because he is a avoida zura

The sign of the Jewish culture is, "rhachmunim bishunim gomlei chasudim, so who is more in that one?,

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 01:53 PM Anonymous Says:

Nobody seems to pay attention to the fact that R' Schorr was willing to give up his own Olam Habah to save the souls of those attending this simcha . . .

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 01:52 PM relative of schorr LYDA LYDA Says:

Reply to #136  
Anonymous Says:

reply to 105
Your login appears to be wanting and borders on the absurd -
"I do know that I feel very uncomfortable about what Lipa is creating . For that reason alone I would ban Lipa from every Jewish Home." Really?? Do you know how your computer internally works? Probably not, but you havn't banned it from your home!
"He is challenging our Gedolim..." Execpt for the few "ban-happy" personalities, I havn't heard any Gedolim say that Lipa is challenging them.
"He developed a cult like following..."
unfotunately you do not know the definition of the word "cult". A cult is a particular form of religion worship. Religion worship is a full time dedication. I like Lipa's music, but when it stops, so does he.
"by unifying against our leaders..." this is the hight of irresposible accusation. I am a Lipa admirer and so are many of my colleagues but daas Torah always comes first.
"Singing is supposed to bring prure Simcha ..." but stupidity brings a lot of angst...

schorr is hepech and a disgrace to dass torah . He should ask mechila berabim from all those who he embarresed . He should also ask mechila from his father reb gadalia zatzal for causing him all that tzar!

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 01:52 PM binderdundat Says:

Reply to #31  
Conservative One Says:

Shame on all of you for insulting a Godol BYisroel like Rav Schorr Shlita and defending a low-life like Shmeltzer. He has done nothing more that adopt Chukas HaGoim with his shtick and that is most probably what Rav Schorr meant when he said Avodah Zora. Rav Schorr meanwhile is a Marbitz Torah and someone that children can look up to and try to emulate but not this Shmeltzer character.

Godol B'Yisrael?? Maybe in your eyes. This Schorr is nothing but a power hungry man with a beard. Who made him a Godol?? Because his father was?? Sorry, genetics does not a godol make. Shame on him for embarassing someone publicly.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 01:52 PM Anonymous Says:

Interesting compromise...lets have Lipa giva a shiur and Rabbi Schorr sing....

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 01:50 PM blogindm Says:

Reply to #88  
Askipeh Hanidreses Says:

Can you tell us which songs these are?

mishenichnas adar is sung to the tune of an old african american slave song. also Mordechai Ben Davids 'yidden' is the tune of a German rock song that won an award in a music festival in Europe. As for the chasideshe tunes...I dont know the orgin.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 02:51 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
BORUCH Says:

you cant have it all folks. either you want all the chushiva rabunim at your simcha, or the wannabe yiddish popstar. A lot of the fault is the Bal simchas.

He's not a choshuva rov and it wasn't his place to impose his bias on evryone else

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 01:46 PM Takanois, Takanois, Takanois Says:

Reply to #125  
Askipeh Hanidreses Says:

Not necessarily. There are many issues here regarding Rav Schorr and Reb Lipa; I’ll mention a few. As far as Lipa is concerned, he comes across as a Guta Neshoma. I have nothing Chas VeSholom against Lipa personally, but I do have a problem with his songs. His songs are more to the “Hollelous” side and great “Yiras Shomayim” someone won’t get from it. It’s not only Lipa’s music which I’m against (for myself and those who care to listen), but most music sung at today’s Chaseness are not to my taste. It is embarrassing to see a very Chosheve person arriving to a Simcha and without a choice will try to dance with a song like “Ben Bag Bag”. Can you imagine the Chofetz Chaim or the previous Belzer Rebbe dancing Ben Bag Bag. Try to picture it because it will help you understand. Now Rav Schorr is a Talmid Chochom but nobody has made him a Godol BeYisroel. A Godol BeYisroel is not made just like that; people have to make him one. Not knowing more details and it is possible that one of the Machetonim wanted Lipa to stop, it was not Rav Schorr’s job to tell Lipa to stop, and surely it was wrong for him to be mevayesh Lipa beRabbim. It’s unfortunate that in a dor like ours Rav Schorr doesn’t know his place. Sometimes being Mocheh is an Aveireh, and not being Mocheh is a Mitzvah.

Why does a choshuva Rav have "no choice" about going to a simcha?
I know some gedolim who go to chasunas in order to meet and greet people they know and love who haven't seen them for a long time.
That is what they WANT to do.
They don't mind doing this in the lobby if the noise is too loud.
I also know some very choshuv Yidden who carry a sefer in their pocket. If they have "down time" at a chassuna...
get this....
they sit down and
LEARN.
and if there's a lonely looking kid watching,
they LEARN with the LONELY KID.
They don't hear the music if they don't want to.
But they never miss an opportunity to smile at a kid.
No matter what they are wearing, or what they are doing.

Because kinderlach - HAPPY kinderlach - are our future.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 01:42 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #105  
a simple Jew Says:

I am a fellow Jew who loves music. I know that there were singers before Lipa and there will be singers after Lipa. I do not have anything against Lipa personally. I do know that I feel very uncomfortable about what Lipa is creating . For that reason alone I would ban Lipa from every Jewish Home. He is challenging our Gedolim ,and I am not referring to anyone one in particular. Who is he? He developed a cult like following. It is not about his new wave of so called Jewish music anymore. It is much bigger then that. It took a life of its own. He has a following.... a following that is growing by unifying agasint our leaders. That is scary. I think he should be banned from singing. Sorry, I think alot of this is causing to much machlocis. Singing is supposed to bring prure Simcha not Chas Vashlom to challenge Das Torah.

-". I do know that I feel very uncomfortable about what Lipa is creating . For that reason alone I would ban Lipa from every Jewish Home."- because YOU Feel uncomfortable about Lipa, you can ban YOUR OWN HOME not EVERY JEWISH HOME! don't force your opinion on others while other ppl do like or get chizuk from lipa's music.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 01:42 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #119  
Anonymous Says:

Really shocked how people are so strong for lipa and against Rabbi Schor, let me ask all of you a simple question if chas vshulem you are in a tsura and you only a chice of those 2 people to go to explain your tsura and he should pray to god for you to whom would you go to rabbi schor or to lipa, next if you need help in hashkufa and you need a daas torah to whom would you go to rabbi schor or to lipa, sure rabbi schor so du you don't trust him here wgat he do, if you don't understand him go ask him he has a daas torah and I'm surr he would. Be dlad to answer you, and what people saying that lipa are mkarev yidishe kinder that's is shtisim its not true he brings in the goyishkeit in yidishe songs, and what lipa ask ehrlicha yidn zenen mkarev shvachere that's what he do he want to be mkarav the shvacha nshumes lhashem yisbrech and he hold that lipa is a big problam for this because he is a avoida zura

I will go to lipa if I need help: Jewish hart; money; help a fellow Jew in hospital atc.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 03:22 PM Haldolprn Says:

rag schorr has an opinion which may be valid to ms y people. The way he dealt with it is Moronic. He should have gone to the Baal simcha that invited him and asked him to take care of it. You don't make a scene at a wedding. It's insulti g to his intelligence and to all attendees.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 03:20 PM Anonymous Says:

rabbi.s calls himself a rabbi when his people r hitting a another jew and wat about embrassing a jew in public that doesn't matter and lipa is no avoda zerah he is man trying to make a parnesah through music which puts a smile on peoples face also a jew is suppose to be happy, not sad. as well there r so many bigger problems then "lipa being a idol" abuse between man&wife abuse of children at hme and school teenagers drinking a lot and doing drugs also going off the derch. the list goes on concentrate on the really problem don't go after a man who makes a honest living and does chesed

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 03:16 PM Soothingtotheneshoma Says:

This is a 'symptom' of a much deeper disease.
Lipa: Just be yourself, let your actions and thoughts be for Shem Shomayim; the Judge is in Himmel and He will take care of everything. You just do what is right. Eventually the Emes will be revealed.
And B"H you do have a very talented way of singing, just say a Brocha before you work/sing that it should be received in Shomayim with chessed, and be able to be Mekarev the wounded Neshomas in our community and elsewhere. Hashem should Bless you.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 03:15 PM Anonymous Says:

To 124: If you insist on accuracy in regard to the law, get your facts straight. In the State of New York (as opposed to other jurisdictions) The crime of Battery has been merged with the crime of Assault. Under common Law, a Battery was a physical attack (to batter), and Assault was an attack on someone that was not of a physical nature. Pursuant to Statute, New York has merged the two doctrines under the title of Assault. Thus, what was traditionally a Battery, is now an Assault. No charge for the lesson.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 03:53 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #11  
Anonymous Says:

BORUCH - if Schorr would have been a choshuve person, you would have made some sense. But he is NOT a choshuve person, if only because he was oveir on 'hamalbim penei chaveiro barabim - EIN LO CHELEK BEOLAM HABA'. Plus there were actually real choshuva rabonim at that wedding - and they had no problem with Lipa singing.

It's the other way around. A chushive person would never behave that way. They have better and more important things to do than grab a microphone out of Lipa's hands.
Good Shabbos

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 03:52 PM mo fo show Says:

Reply to #31  
Conservative One Says:

Shame on all of you for insulting a Godol BYisroel like Rav Schorr Shlita and defending a low-life like Shmeltzer. He has done nothing more that adopt Chukas HaGoim with his shtick and that is most probably what Rav Schorr meant when he said Avodah Zora. Rav Schorr meanwhile is a Marbitz Torah and someone that children can look up to and try to emulate but not this Shmeltzer character.

what chukas hagoim do you no anything about non jewish music . now i assume you listen to it so your a hypocrite for slandering other people and doing the same thing.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 03:47 PM yiddishe bubby Says:

Reply to #61  
Anonymous Says:

This story is a sad commentary on how "frumkeit" devolved in the last few decades. A Beis Yaakov teacher could destroy a girl who she deems is too pretty and, therefore, untzniusdik; schools discriminating between children based on the color of their father's shirts, Charadim beating up women for sitting on the wrong side of the bus and people like Schorr deceiving our gedolim into signing a frivolous ban.

Instead of being ashamed of what he's done, especially now that R' Shmuel Kamanitzki publicly endorsed the "Event," and impliedly apologized for banning the past one, Shorr continues to bully Lipa-- all, of course, L'shem Shamyim.

you are so right, what have we become. Here is a "Rov" who I am sure watches what he puts into his mouth with all the heimishe hechsherim but doesn't watch what comes out of his mouth. Some forty years ago when we had real gedolim and ehrlicher yidden who would never act like this at someone else's expense and not have regard for chosson and kallah, we had less of this silly thing that people now a days are calling frumkeit. We are in a lot of trouble I worry for my grandchildren what kind of "frum" world is being created.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 03:44 PM Anonymous Says:

reb gedalia schorr wore a strmel ??? i do not beleive for a minute that this schorr
is a "godol" if he was a true godol of which we have none in america...he would have said to lipa quietly....elo mai......he is a a bal ghavoh..drek...

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 02:48 PM Berl Says:

It saeems that Lipa was guilty of performing teh Mitzvah of being Msameach Choson VKallah. Here in Eretz Yisroel it is very accepted that if one who comes as a guest is talented and invited by the Baal Simcha who does not deduct from the amount promised to the singer.
Ashrecha Lipa Schmeltzer, may you be zoche to be mesameiach many chasanim and kallos Lshem Shamayim as you did this time, but without Bizyoinos.
Many Gdoilim endured personal elbonos and absorbed them in order not to be malbin Pnei chaveiro Barabim.

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 01:21 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
BORUCH Says:

you cant have it all folks. either you want all the chushiva rabunim at your simcha, or the wannabe yiddish popstar. A lot of the fault is the Bal simchas.

Sorry jelous cat but this is not a wannabe he is the bigges jewish singer around

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 01:17 PM moish Says:

Reply to #92  
Ailu v'Ailu Says:

Rabosai,
I am proud of Rav Schorr for standing up for what he believes in like Pinchas and the deaf Yid who knocked Eisav's head off at Yaakov Avinu's levaya. Hey, here is a Rav who is showing Yidden how to act like a man when he feels there is a break in a gevul. That is the proper way to view this maisah. End of story. Lipa is an entertainer and he will have problems because of his style of music. That's what happens when anyone breaks a gvul. Happened in the Goyishe world with Elvis and all the other goyishe bands and happened with Shlock Rock and now Lipa in the Yeshivishe and Chasidishe Olam. That's life. Yidden act like men !!! Grow up !!!

If you can't differentiate between Lipa's trash and the secular tunes of previous generations, than you are really tone-deaf. Halevai our 'chassidic music' would match the goyishe melodies of yesteryear!

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 12:44 PM a yid Says:

"hamalva ponim lchavro brabim eino chelek lolam haba"

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 06:36 AM Anonymous Says:

How sad for everyone involved.... I would like to praise Lipa for conducting himself in a respectful manner. It doesn't matter who is right or wrong or what the original intentions were - it's how we behave in public and especially at a simcha.... Well done for keeping your cool - you are an example to us all!!!

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 06:29 PM Anonymous Says:

Please please Rabannim pick important things to be mevazeh erliche yiden about> Shorr should be ashamed of himself

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 06:27 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #52  
A mechitan Says:

if i may. my son is getting married soon and i did take lipa to sing (and paying him a crazy price of $5000) so im not going to pick a side who is right lipa or rabbi schorr,, but let me make one thing clear to you all if schorr would walk in to my SIMCHA which is my money and my people and RUIN the SIMCHA. i would take him out rip his beard off and arrest him for assult of even touching lipa AND trust me i would.. he is a shagats for insulting somone in public and a shgatz for destroying somones SIMCAH .. and for lipa i have to say LIPA DONT GET MAD GET EVEN.. his day will come soon (oh how i wish this would happen at my sons wedding there would be no more schorr

well ripping his beard out ? that wouldent solve the issue .. but your right if he would do this at my simcha i would find away to end schorr for good ..and to all the people that are saying schorr is right GO HAVE YOURSELF CHECKED OUT " big mouths" lets see what you would say when it happens at your childs simcha and chosson and kallah will remain with this horrible memory forever,,, come on people WAKE UP.. as lipa sings ........A gita Voch Yidden

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 06:34 PM Anonymous Says:

while we cannot rip down rabbi schorr, lipa be strong, you give me simcha, I listen to you every day.

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 06:33 PM Anonymous Says:

This is a huge chillul hashem to talk about a rabbi in this manner

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 06:35 PM happy Says:

I will call it for what it is most of this rarris are full of themselfs and are worth nothing.and why always lipa because hes a happy guy?

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 07:18 PM JJ Says:

I would like to park my car in front of rabbi schorr's house and blast lipa cds on my stereo. And of course i mean at 3am :)

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 07:13 PM Anonymous Says:

hamivaza adam chavairo brabim ain lo chelek bolam habo. how does a rav embaras a yid in public. in my opionion a respectatable g-d fearing rav discuses. the rabbi has to realize lipa is respected by a mass majority of the frum world.

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 07:11 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #119  
Anonymous Says:

Really shocked how people are so strong for lipa and against Rabbi Schor, let me ask all of you a simple question if chas vshulem you are in a tsura and you only a chice of those 2 people to go to explain your tsura and he should pray to god for you to whom would you go to rabbi schor or to lipa, next if you need help in hashkufa and you need a daas torah to whom would you go to rabbi schor or to lipa, sure rabbi schor so du you don't trust him here wgat he do, if you don't understand him go ask him he has a daas torah and I'm surr he would. Be dlad to answer you, and what people saying that lipa are mkarev yidishe kinder that's is shtisim its not true he brings in the goyishkeit in yidishe songs, and what lipa ask ehrlicha yidn zenen mkarev shvachere that's what he do he want to be mkarav the shvacha nshumes lhashem yisbrech and he hold that lipa is a big problam for this because he is a avoida zura

#119. what stupid posting by you.
I heard Rav Shorr speak ar several occasions. He is a super Talmid Chochom and has vast Torah knowledge. But he has no right in publicly embarrassing someone anmd no right to disrupt a wedding. Period.
Stop worshipping all Gedolim. boigger Tzadikkim than Rav Shorr have made mistakes in the past - all the way to Moshe Rabbenu.
You Frummies and his worshippers cannot get it that this time he went too far and mae bad mistakes.
A true Gaddol Betorah (Satmar Rebbe, Klausenburger Rebbe, Rav Moshe, Rav Yaakov K; Rav Pam - zichronom levracha) would have acted differently .

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 07:05 PM shauly Says:

Once, sitting at a sauda by lipa at home, a bucher who was a 'teen at risk' came up in the conversation. He was having problems with his parents and a hard time keeping up with social requiremants. Motza shabbos lipa asked me in private for the info. Lipa arranged a professional therapist to alwase be available for the bucher. He is paying for the 200 doller sessions for a year already without the bucher's or anyone's knowledge about it. The bucher is back in yeshiva and b"h doing fine. Would you do something like that? There is no plaque 'leula nishmas' his bubba for him, and no one untill this moment knew about it but me and him. This is a true baal chesed. A true hero to look up upon.
He can't be in the 'kol haolem kilo'? Are only 'koved shmekers'(rebbis/wannabes) allowed? I would rather have my children looking up to a pushita yid doing his job as a member of klal yisruel, making his father in heaven proud to have him as a son, rather then to look up to anyone who's zieda was a fina yid but does nothing for himself or the klal other then having askunim throwing tea parties to support him.
What's so bad of looking up to a singer? Looking up to a pushiter yid davening in the 3rd row in shul and has nice talant? Maybe if you'll stop teaching the girls that they are going to get a ben torah and a man sitting in kollel his whole life and NOT teaching the boys ANYTHING that can land them a dignified job, the system would actually work and be more closer to reality. And maybe the 20 year olds would be happy with themselves and their lives and spouses. What happened with the 'yegea kapof' that our ziedes so proudly showed off? Why are we looking down on any normal career? Can't our kids be normal middle class therapists, lawyers, specialists or whatever? Why are we looking down on any talant? Why are there no self-expression, art, writing classes in our curriculums? Even playing a ball game is usser in yeshiva!
Maybe if you'll stop focusing on wearing black and white and other outer appearances and started focusing on real issues of our kids needs in these times, the system would actualy work and you won't have to blame lipa, narrow looking clothes, tzionist, and everything under the sun but you faulty system!

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 07:00 PM Reubies Says:

Reply to #31  
Conservative One Says:

Shame on all of you for insulting a Godol BYisroel like Rav Schorr Shlita and defending a low-life like Shmeltzer. He has done nothing more that adopt Chukas HaGoim with his shtick and that is most probably what Rav Schorr meant when he said Avodah Zora. Rav Schorr meanwhile is a Marbitz Torah and someone that children can look up to and try to emulate but not this Shmeltzer character.

It's ok to describe Rab Schorr as a Gadol B'Yisroel. But where do you get the authority to describe Lipa as "a low-life"?!

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 06:59 PM Anonymous Says:

what a shande to r. schorr, lips is a eriche yid that is misamaich yidden. your method is merachek yidden. shame!

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 06:57 PM talmid chuchim shoita Says:

this rabbi was kicked out of every position he ever had. he got himself a shul and now he is a "rabbi". he is the cause of many divorces, with his psychobabble "torah" values and advise
it will take a day or a year, but the time will come, that society will realize that being the son of a somebody, does make one a somebody, even if you know a blatt of sodom and gemorah

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 06:56 PM Anonymous Says:

Rabbi Schorr has a special place in for himself. Does Rabbi Schoor realize the loshon hora that went on the entire shabbos because of HIS actions and NOT lipa?


Does Rabbi Schoor realize that this entire story had people go onto youtube who would usually not go onto the site? Does Rabbi Schoor realize that he cause more of a tumel than what he was trying to accomplish wether he was right or wrong?

The roshei yeshivos of yesteryear were smart enough not to always scream about every issue even if they were right in doing so. And this was REAL DAAS TORAH, yet they did not say anything on petty issues. Smart people know where to pick their fights and when to stand up for kovod hatorah. Rabbi Schoor is way out of line and he caused a chilul hashem and as far as I am concerned there is no where in the entire shas that says your allowed to causes a chilul hashem in the name of anything else. Enlighten us if we are wrong on this but this is what I heard from a roshei yeshiva who was talking about this issue.

Rabbi Schoor has it in for Lipa and it's enough already. Smart people know when to shut up and not say anything but Rabbi Shoor feels he must get involved with every stupid music issue.

Where is Rabbi Shoor on the molestation abuse? Why isn't Rabbi Shoor screaming on top of his lungs about people moelsting other yidden? Rabbi Schor does not seem bothered by people moelsting others but cares more about some singer who did nothing wrong except sing at the request of a balei simcha? So who is the crazy one here?

So lets recap.

Rabbi Schor causes loshon horah
Rabbi Schor caused "blogs" to report on the issue.
Rabbi Schor caused talking in shul over this stupidity
Rabbi Schor embarrased a human being
Rabbi Schoor caused the band to stop which is geneivah because they were hired to play a certain amount of time but had to stop because of his stupid actions
Rabbi Schor caused loshon horah not just in NYC but in the entire jewish world because of the videos that are surfacing now.

Rabbi Schor caused an embarasement the choson and kallah.
Rabbi Schor caused an embarrasement to the balei simcha.

Keep it up and then wonder why people hate some rabanim. Is this going to bring moshiach any closer?

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 06:56 PM sane Says:

Reply to #55  
ersatz yiddishkeit Says:

My father a"H was a Holocaust survivor. His generation was not in to all the of the "form-with-little-substance" yiddishkeit of today. No Lexus. A 2 room bungalow was fine. A one level apartment with plastic on the couches. You worked and you learned. No living off shvers because there were no shvers. No gneyvasha shtick. No assering or cherem for naarishkeit. Yes, there were things that needed improvement in areas such as tznius, etc. But that generation was full of MENTCHEN. The gedolim were torah and derech eretz. Rav Moshe would sooner have his hand slammed in a car door and be quiet than be mevaza a driver. Rav Pam. Rav Yaakov. The Klausenberger Rebbe who was a father to thousands of yesomim. The pushuta yidDen were Gedolim. The gedolim were Gedolim. A yeshiva bachur could go to Brooklyn College at night and become a doctor and was not considered a lost soul. How did all this stupidity happen? When will it end?

Amen to #55. You have hit the nail on the head. Today, it is all form over substance. It is the externalities that count. No one thinks for themselves. All the mussar shmuesin in the world won't change that until there is a genuine movement to promote love of our fellow Jew, no matter what our differences.

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 06:30 PM just left his shul for good Says:

Reply to #154  
relative of schorr LYDA LYDA Says:

schorr is hepech and a disgrace to dass torah . He should ask mechila berabim from all those who he embarresed . He should also ask mechila from his father reb gadalia zatzal for causing him all that tzar!

how I fell into his shul is a whole nother story .shorr needs to be ousted from his position very quickly. he is a bomb about to explode. I've been his shul long enough to know that he is a bully and his whole agenda in life is to syphon money from his congregation and bully everyone else. why organizations invite him to speak is a big disgrace because he does not represent dass torah . if anything he turn lots of people off.

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 Feb 06, 2009 at 04:26 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #151  
Yiddishe Mama Says:

I wish there was a website where we could contact Lipa. I have a few things to say, as the mother of teenagers (who know better than to play Lipa's songs in front of me). For example, how can you take something heilig like the yehi rotzon we say by birchas Kohanim, and put in a "sound track" that sounds like it's from a goyishe horror movie (I'm a baalash teshivah so I know, but how does Lipa come to such knowledge?). So I don't agree or disagree with any of the comments, not knowing the whole story, but I do think there needs to be an appropriate way for rabbonim and parents to tell Lipa he needs to tone things down!

I don't know what "goyishe horror movies" you've watched, but, uh, the "soundtracks" sound nothing like what Lipa sings. If you don't let your kids listen to Lipa, I feel bad for them. Do you think that restricting your kids and not letting them experience simcha is going to make them better, frum people? I don't mean to say that in such a general way, I'm sure you let them experience simcha, but what I'm trying to say is that when you are overly restrictive, not only do you not pass those values on to your children, but you turn them off to yiddishkeit. Sometimes baalei teshuvah are too strict about certain things that they should not be (and not only baalei techuvah). And I disagree that Lipa needs to tone things down. If it were up to half of you people, frumkeit would be like a funeral. Segregate society, no talking, laughing, music, outlets, or joy, put on your leash and be led like a good sheep by your rabbi.

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 08:03 PM Shor Habor Says:

Reply to #182  
Anonymous Says:

#119. what stupid posting by you.
I heard Rav Shorr speak ar several occasions. He is a super Talmid Chochom and has vast Torah knowledge. But he has no right in publicly embarrassing someone anmd no right to disrupt a wedding. Period.
Stop worshipping all Gedolim. boigger Tzadikkim than Rav Shorr have made mistakes in the past - all the way to Moshe Rabbenu.
You Frummies and his worshippers cannot get it that this time he went too far and mae bad mistakes.
A true Gaddol Betorah (Satmar Rebbe, Klausenburger Rebbe, Rav Moshe, Rav Yaakov K; Rav Pam - zichronom levracha) would have acted differently .

shabtai tzvi was also a super talmid chochom? but derech eretz kodma letoira .

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 07:56 PM Anonymous Says:

Hi
Did any of the people that posted these nasty false comments at the wedding

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 08:10 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #151  
Yiddishe Mama Says:

I wish there was a website where we could contact Lipa. I have a few things to say, as the mother of teenagers (who know better than to play Lipa's songs in front of me). For example, how can you take something heilig like the yehi rotzon we say by birchas Kohanim, and put in a "sound track" that sounds like it's from a goyishe horror movie (I'm a baalash teshivah so I know, but how does Lipa come to such knowledge?). So I don't agree or disagree with any of the comments, not knowing the whole story, but I do think there needs to be an appropriate way for rabbonim and parents to tell Lipa he needs to tone things down!

Oh, you must be one of those BT's who's favorite word to their children is "assur". Who is so guilty about having not grown up frum that you go to the extreme. Mellow out. I know. I'm a BT too.

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 08:08 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #151  
Yiddishe Mama Says:

I wish there was a website where we could contact Lipa. I have a few things to say, as the mother of teenagers (who know better than to play Lipa's songs in front of me). For example, how can you take something heilig like the yehi rotzon we say by birchas Kohanim, and put in a "sound track" that sounds like it's from a goyishe horror movie (I'm a baalash teshivah so I know, but how does Lipa come to such knowledge?). So I don't agree or disagree with any of the comments, not knowing the whole story, but I do think there needs to be an appropriate way for rabbonim and parents to tell Lipa he needs to tone things down!

I have teenager children AND growing-up grandchildren. I wish mothers like you would be a little less rigid & inflexible & more grateful that your kids listen to Lipa & not to Goyishe music. Relax your BT status a bit & understand that rejecting every single "goyishe" influence in your life means ...rejecting the Internet as well!.

But that's obviously OK isn't it? Lipa seems like a decent, sensitive & respectable entertainer. Don't be so pompous & judgmental or you may find your kids do more than listen to Yehi Rotzon with a beat.

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 08:42 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #187  
Anonymous Says:

Rabbi Schorr has a special place in for himself. Does Rabbi Schoor realize the loshon hora that went on the entire shabbos because of HIS actions and NOT lipa?


Does Rabbi Schoor realize that this entire story had people go onto youtube who would usually not go onto the site? Does Rabbi Schoor realize that he cause more of a tumel than what he was trying to accomplish wether he was right or wrong?

The roshei yeshivos of yesteryear were smart enough not to always scream about every issue even if they were right in doing so. And this was REAL DAAS TORAH, yet they did not say anything on petty issues. Smart people know where to pick their fights and when to stand up for kovod hatorah. Rabbi Schoor is way out of line and he caused a chilul hashem and as far as I am concerned there is no where in the entire shas that says your allowed to causes a chilul hashem in the name of anything else. Enlighten us if we are wrong on this but this is what I heard from a roshei yeshiva who was talking about this issue.

Rabbi Schoor has it in for Lipa and it's enough already. Smart people know when to shut up and not say anything but Rabbi Shoor feels he must get involved with every stupid music issue.

Where is Rabbi Shoor on the molestation abuse? Why isn't Rabbi Shoor screaming on top of his lungs about people moelsting other yidden? Rabbi Schor does not seem bothered by people moelsting others but cares more about some singer who did nothing wrong except sing at the request of a balei simcha? So who is the crazy one here?

So lets recap.

Rabbi Schor causes loshon horah
Rabbi Schor caused "blogs" to report on the issue.
Rabbi Schor caused talking in shul over this stupidity
Rabbi Schor embarrased a human being
Rabbi Schoor caused the band to stop which is geneivah because they were hired to play a certain amount of time but had to stop because of his stupid actions
Rabbi Schor caused loshon horah not just in NYC but in the entire jewish world because of the videos that are surfacing now.

Rabbi Schor caused an embarasement the choson and kallah.
Rabbi Schor caused an embarrasement to the balei simcha.

Keep it up and then wonder why people hate some rabanim. Is this going to bring moshiach any closer?

perhaps this sainted wonder brought this him self he was a guest at a wedding like lipper and he could always have left the wedding ratherthen cause a chil hashame

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 08:40 PM Anonymous Says:

History repeats it self!!!
Take out a NUVI & look up the story of DOIEIG HUADOIMEE...
He was the roish of the sanhedrin till his GIEVEH got the better of him & attacked anyone who dared dissagree with him... We all know how that story ended!

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 08:39 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
BORUCH Says:

you cant have it all folks. either you want all the chushiva rabunim at your simcha, or the wannabe yiddish popstar. A lot of the fault is the Bal simchas.

chushiva? r u kidding this man insulted the father of one of the children getting married if he didnt like lipper singing hwe could have done the menschlik thing left
\

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 08:35 PM teev Says:

Reply to #129  
music maven Says:

to 50 and 54... Yes, Jewish music has often borrowed music styles from the surrounding culture throughout the galus. The difference here is (1) the culture of today is more decadent than ever before and, (2) Lipa embraces not just the music but the culture itself, through his very distasteful mode of performance, facial expressions, body movements, costumes and the like.

Kudos to music maven we must call a spade a spade. The problem we face is that a Jewish singer is not merely viewed as such, they are preformers and trend setters as well. For some of us this lifestyle is contrary to ours and cannot be accepted.

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 08:06 PM dirty old spudik Says:

Reply to #180  
JJ Says:

I would like to park my car in front of rabbi schorr's house and blast lipa cds on my stereo. And of course i mean at 3am :)

i have a better idea.
Pay a mexican to park his car in front of shoors house over shabbos and blast lipa a whole shabbes afternoon

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 08:50 PM bigwheeel Says:

Reply to #151  
Yiddishe Mama Says:

I wish there was a website where we could contact Lipa. I have a few things to say, as the mother of teenagers (who know better than to play Lipa's songs in front of me). For example, how can you take something heilig like the yehi rotzon we say by birchas Kohanim, and put in a "sound track" that sounds like it's from a goyishe horror movie (I'm a baalash teshivah so I know, but how does Lipa come to such knowledge?). So I don't agree or disagree with any of the comments, not knowing the whole story, but I do think there needs to be an appropriate way for rabbonim and parents to tell Lipa he needs to tone things down!

I will not comment on Lipa's personal or public performance. There are varying opinions and tastes on that. One thing is certain, however. No one has a right to assault another person, either verbally or physically, regardless of their (the assaulter's) ideology. He could (and should) be arrested for aggravated assault, and inciting to riot. It further demonstrates that this person is unstable, mentally. Or he's a demagogue. If he intended to say Mussar (reproach/reprimand), this is neither the forum nor the method of doing so. As the previous poster (#150) has pointed out. This [method of attack] does not bring back vacillating, confused people, it only drives them away!!!

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 07:46 PM Mimi Says:

I hope Rabbi Shor will give an explanation to all in re: to his actions.
Otherwise, the title 'Rabbi' is questioned.

I have a 16 year old relative that was recently embarrased berabim by his Rosh Yeshiva.
This boy took it very badly. He refused to go back to that yeshiva. He recently has told his mother- he sees no reason to daven with a minyan, why can't he daven at home..........

To all Teachers, Morahs, Rabbonim, Rebbes, Mechanchim.........Roshei Yeshivas,
I beg.
I plead.
Have Mercy.
Your words have such a tremendous impact. Think a thousand times before you say something. If there is mussar that has to be said. Can't it be done in private?
Until then..........Rabbi Shorr...........We await your words.

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 07:44 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #31  
Conservative One Says:

Shame on all of you for insulting a Godol BYisroel like Rav Schorr Shlita and defending a low-life like Shmeltzer. He has done nothing more that adopt Chukas HaGoim with his shtick and that is most probably what Rav Schorr meant when he said Avodah Zora. Rav Schorr meanwhile is a Marbitz Torah and someone that children can look up to and try to emulate but not this Shmeltzer character.

All thi sradical Rabbi needeed to do is: LEAVE. It's not his Simcha so who the hell does he think he is?
Even if he really cares for our children... rememb=er that this typeof behavior will Ch"v cause kids to go off the way. He's a radical and need sto be Shut up or he can move to Afganiztan and open a Shul there

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 07:44 PM Anonymous Says:

can we have real rabbonim with real ahavas yisroel? i find it so hard to have respect for rabbonim these days. i dont find them real. oh my whats going to be with the next generation? i find lipa to have a neshama, i feel rabbi schoor method wasnt appropiate.

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 07:35 PM Anonymous Says:

Has anyone asked Rabbis Shorr about this. Let him have his moment to explain -

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 07:34 PM chaim braun Says:

I know Lipa I spend Pessach with him. What a pesonality. Warm and makes other in a warm and geshmak atmosphere. I really don't understand who Rav Shorr is to shut someoneup? Any halchik stand point? Kol Isha? He thought it was Avoida Zora? How foolish? I think distrbing a chasuna and bezayon bifna am voeda is much worse. However I also know Rav shorr is a big talmid chacham and a Tzadik. He prbably did it leshem shomayim.
Is there not enough problems to deal with?

BTW: the oilam should listen to lipa's letter to Moishele a real hartzike song.

Lips B strong!!!@!@@@@!!!!

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 08:57 PM bigwheeel Says:

Reply to #194  
Anonymous Says:

I have teenager children AND growing-up grandchildren. I wish mothers like you would be a little less rigid & inflexible & more grateful that your kids listen to Lipa & not to Goyishe music. Relax your BT status a bit & understand that rejecting every single "goyishe" influence in your life means ...rejecting the Internet as well!.

But that's obviously OK isn't it? Lipa seems like a decent, sensitive & respectable entertainer. Don't be so pompous & judgmental or you may find your kids do more than listen to Yehi Rotzon with a beat.

I agree with you 100%. But (poster # 194) only brought up her BT status to show that she's an authority on non-Jewish origins of music. Meanwhile, she doesn't realize that her children are most at risk (this is not a wish, only an assessment) to go off the Derech!!!

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 08:56 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #197  
Anonymous Says:

chushiva? r u kidding this man insulted the father of one of the children getting married if he didnt like lipper singing hwe could have done the menschlik thing left
\

If the father of the kallah asked him to stop. Lipa should have stopped & not be a smarty and cause a chillul hashem. Lipa is the one that caused this whole situation & he should come out and take responiblty for his actions

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 09:05 PM Anonymous Says:

Many years ago Reb Shlomo Carlbach came to the Koisel hamaarovi on motzai tishah b'Av. He was haressard by a few kano-im & chased away. He left quietly without response... Word got around to the Amshinover Rebbe Zt"l. He went looking for Reb Shlomo, took him by his hand & went with him to the Koisel & made him take out his guitar & sing there... Yes my friends those the were true Tzadikim. Kiruv not Richuk will bring Moshisch

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 09:31 PM esther Says:

if anyone publicly humiliated like that i really hope i could have the menschlichkait and ahavas yisroel that liba displayed.that for me is the ikar of this story.

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 09:27 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #207  
Anonymous Says:

If the father of the kallah asked him to stop. Lipa should have stopped & not be a smarty and cause a chillul hashem. Lipa is the one that caused this whole situation & he should come out and take responiblty for his actions

What r you smoking ? Lipa should have put shurr in jail for aresment and this is the history where shurr was. And. Was send a way. Nitara skvar krasna guer. What I know now you do home work how is normal

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 09:23 PM Anonymous Says:

Schorr is not a Rav based merely on his genetics. We all know that Torah is not yarshened. This man acted in a disgraceful manner no matter what the circumstances or what happened between the parties. The public acts were simply inexcusable. I guarantee you, real gedoilim would never have acted that way. This is more proof of how a generation gets the leaders it deserves.

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 10:09 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #208  
Anonymous Says:

Many years ago Reb Shlomo Carlbach came to the Koisel hamaarovi on motzai tishah b'Av. He was haressard by a few kano-im & chased away. He left quietly without response... Word got around to the Amshinover Rebbe Zt"l. He went looking for Reb Shlomo, took him by his hand & went with him to the Koisel & made him take out his guitar & sing there... Yes my friends those the were true Tzadikim. Kiruv not Richuk will bring Moshisch

WOW...
What ahavas yisroel

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 10:07 PM SIM Says:

Reply to #112  
True Picture Says:

You must be melamed zechus - the Rabbi was jsut helping Lipa get publicity for his concert. Look how well it worked!

Please think of a better excuse.

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 10:07 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #132  
Chaim Greenberg Says:

I will defenetly not go To Rabbi Shorr, for my shaalos, Toirah makes a person wise, I guess it did not hapen in this case..

rabbi schorr was in
Spinka
Bais Mayer
Krasneh
Nitra
Skwere...just to name a few yeshivos

And geuss what he was thrown out of each and everyone of them.

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 10:27 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

and we wonder why the geula hasn't come yet, I really don't care what Rabbi Schorr has to say, remember embarrassing b'rabim is compared to murder but it sure was an ais ratzon for Lipa

And I will tell u that the geula didn't come yet is because of pepole like u and like #3 that have no respect for torah and a talmid chucem I pesonally am a fan for lipa but I can understand that if a yid a ben torah thinks that he brings I goyishe style music wich by the way a lot of hiemishe talmid torahs don't want children to listen to his music so I think his apinion is a litlle more worth then yours snd #3 and a lot of orthers here I personally even if I think that Rav Shorr is right I like lipa and listen to him and I say let this be my biggest avirah but to say what u #3 says that he wouldn't come out against a pediphile is crazy u guys put it down like half of klall yisroel are pediphiles and non of the rabunim do anything besides for Hikind and Brenner they will take care of Klal yisroel but let me tell you that evreybody knows that there are some bad pepole since mankind started ther were pediphiles in all times but they are a very very very small percent our system is still the best and back to Rav Shorr if his daas torah made thid dicition u guys have no buisness to say diffrent on a web blog go first and learn what he learned

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 10:35 PM Anonymous Says:

Reading the past 200+ comments I am shocked to see that there is so little if any KOVED HATORAH. what is wrong with us yidden we must have derch eretz and koved hatorah . If harav schorr does somthing it is with a good chesben and does not need our haskomes.

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 10:44 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #147  
Mkarpas Says:

Baruch Hashehm. We all attend tens if not hundreds of chasenes in our lifetime. After a while one wedding is the same as the other. One can't remember anyting about a particular wedding, You cannot even remember if you went to the wedding.
The only weddings I remember are the ones that someting special happened. I remember like yesterday the wedding where the chosen's side got into a fight with the kitchen staff and the mother of the chosen was knocked out anf the police were called. I also remeber the wedding where a Rav said the wrong berocho. etc

It was a stroke of brilliance to invite Liap and Rabbi Shor. Now everyone wjho was there ane the whole world will remember this chasana


Too early for Purim Torah, no...

Very cute, though...

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 10:40 PM Anonymous Says:

can someone please explain to the ignorant what makes the music avoda zara?


{we do know that when you sing a song your soul becomes connected to the soul of the composer. i personally prefer to sing /listen to songs composed by yidden as i know their souls are pure (a part of g-d itself...) and i do wish for the talented jewish singers to use only songs that they or other jewish souls have composed. let them use the talent they have for all their songs...i believe they would have the same type of following...that is my personal wish though}

but what is the connection to avoda zara?

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 10:54 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

RABBI SCHOR explaind his actions in 2 words avode zura.

Lipa if u get hit u hit back and if I was there I.would help and I don't care if he has a fat spudik

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 12:32 AM anonymous Says:

I heard a story like this once before. There was one baal simcha who had a guest he didn't want. And the guest refused to leave, and so the baal simcha threw him out. The man was so angry because there were gedolei Torah there.

This story is even better. one baal simcha WANTS him, the other baal simcha doesn't so he has the GEDOLEI TORAH throw him out???????

The first story caused the chorban bayis. I wonder what this story will cause

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 12:07 AM lipa's poshiter chassid Says:

Reply to #184  
Reubies Says:

It's ok to describe Rab Schorr as a Gadol B'Yisroel. But where do you get the authority to describe Lipa as "a low-life"?!

all the rebbes are just jealous of Lipa!! he has more chassidim than they do, and this makes them green with envy. the rebbes can be sitting at the head table at a wedding, and as soon as lipa walks in, no one looks at them anymore and focus just on lipa. they can't take it and are therefore trying to push lipa down. but i think he's the most rightious one of them all!! he's the one involved in chessed, and the only one not fighting with his brothers and encouraging violence among his chassidim! ( i have personally gone to a rebbe to help out with a shidduch and he replied that he doesn't have time for this kind of thing and that's what shadchanim are for!!)

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 11:58 PM shocked Says:

Reply to #184  
Reubies Says:

It's ok to describe Rab Schorr as a Gadol B'Yisroel. But where do you get the authority to describe Lipa as "a low-life"?!

Gadol B'Yisroel??? someone who can act like that can not be considered a godol byisroel. someone who can shame another in public is nothing more than a rasha!

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 11:39 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #210  
Anonymous Says:

What r you smoking ? Lipa should have put shurr in jail for aresment and this is the history where shurr was. And. Was send a way. Nitara skvar krasna guer. What I know now you do home work how is normal

Very well said. With all the sfas emas that he knowes. Does not make him right. To knock people down like that

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 11:38 PM Anonymous Says:

Havei don es kol heudem lkaf zchis. Let me explain you the side of rabbi schor. I really like to hear lipa. But I also know that I'm not right because lipa sings like a goy he is bringing in the goyish way from musik but even this I like to hear him and I do hear him, but I understand when a erlicha yid cames in to a chasuna and heard lipa sings heib oif deina hentelech and all of the people are gancing like shkirim like we all known how a chassuna with looks like, if you don't know look it in youtube the erlicha yid see in this a vary big chorbon in yiddishkeit, take in mind in 10 - 20 years the jewish music will be the same like today the blackys you will come in to a chassuna you will see the singer sings like matisyahu and all the bucherim will dance like blockys what you will do than. So bi rabbi schor is now the same when he see that lipa sings and all the bucherim dancing wild,
Don't take away from lipas golden heart but he isn't right to bring in the goyisha style from music because he has a gold heart and do a lot of chesed

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 11:33 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #207  
Anonymous Says:

If the father of the kallah asked him to stop. Lipa should have stopped & not be a smarty and cause a chillul hashem. Lipa is the one that caused this whole situation & he should come out and take responiblty for his actions

What r you smoking ? Lipa should have put shurr in jail for aresment and this is the history where shurr was. And. Was send a way. Nitara skvar krasna guer. What I know now you do home work how is normal

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 11:32 PM Interesting Nekudah Says:

The commenter above speaks of Rabbi Shlomo Carlebach. I still listen to Rav Carlebach's songs because some of them reach my Yiddishe neshama in a way that I have never felt anywhere else except for perhaps Modzitzer melodies of Bentzion Shenker. But they are melodies of tefilos or tehillim that sung actually bring them to life in a way that saying them at minch or maariv never do. Why is that? I saw Rav Carlebach in Yerushalayim and I know he was not shomer negiah. He reached out to BTs and people searching for ruchnius. Perhaps he was a different type of Rav at a different time that we cannot relate to today, even though it was only 20-30 years ago.

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 11:26 PM Anonymous Says:

Every time an incident like this happens to Lipa it seems that he shines. it is very hard to control oneself when someone embaraases you b'rabim but Lipa kept his cool like captain Sully! Minds that keep cool under pressure shows charachter of a person.

We would asusme that the real reason why rabanim ahte blogs is because years ago if they acted like mrons nobody would care and there was no videos to dispute actions one way or another.


Now the video of Rabbi Schorr gets out and it's embarassing to kal yisroel. Rabanim should stop blaming bloggers for everything and take care of the problems within so they won't have people who run blo sites putting up this embarassing videos of rabanim acting like fools.

I have watched many rosh yeshivos over the last 40 years converse with other people and have seen them with all kinds of sitations and they always shined and were an example for all of us how to talk learn and act in daily life.


Today it's a whole different story. We have so many people witht he title "Rabbi" and they think it's a heter to do whatever they think is fit. And g-d forbid anyone dare say anything you get verbal abuse of "das torah".............


Someone explain what the world "das torah" means. Everyone walks around that "das torah" can do whatever they want. Some pepole say das torah is anyone walking the streets with a yarmulkeh and hat!

Someone explain what das torah is.

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 11:18 PM BinderDundat Says:

Reply to #216  
Anonymous Says:

Reading the past 200+ comments I am shocked to see that there is so little if any KOVED HATORAH. what is wrong with us yidden we must have derch eretz and koved hatorah . If harav schorr does somthing it is with a good chesben and does not need our haskomes.

In reading the comments, I find it very telling that maybe 10 out of over 200 comments defend "Rabbi" Ox (Schorr). It's very refreshing to me that people are finally realizing that our so called gedolim are nothing of the sort. They are nothing but power hungry leeches who want to control us in every way, shape, and form. As #211 stated, just because his father was a Gadol, does not make him a Gadol. I lost respect for this jerk last year when he signed the ban. I really hope he reads these comments and sees what people really think of him. Shame on you, Mr. Schorr. You should be making a public apology to Lipa and to the Baal Simcha.

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 01:09 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #228  
BinderDundat Says:

In reading the comments, I find it very telling that maybe 10 out of over 200 comments defend "Rabbi" Ox (Schorr). It's very refreshing to me that people are finally realizing that our so called gedolim are nothing of the sort. They are nothing but power hungry leeches who want to control us in every way, shape, and form. As #211 stated, just because his father was a Gadol, does not make him a Gadol. I lost respect for this jerk last year when he signed the ban. I really hope he reads these comments and sees what people really think of him. Shame on you, Mr. Schorr. You should be making a public apology to Lipa and to the Baal Simcha.

Dont hold your breath, you will never hear an apology from this man till hell freezes over. He holds himself above apologizing.. He is the Godol Hador.

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 12:56 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #209  
esther Says:

if anyone publicly humiliated like that i really hope i could have the menschlichkait and ahavas yisroel that liba displayed.that for me is the ikar of this story.

i agree. i think it's obvious who was the mench and who acted like a drunk rioter.

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 12:54 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #207  
Anonymous Says:

If the father of the kallah asked him to stop. Lipa should have stopped & not be a smarty and cause a chillul hashem. Lipa is the one that caused this whole situation & he should come out and take responiblty for his actions

AGAIN YOU'RE BLAMING LIPA????? Lipa was doing a mitzvah of being mesameach chasson and kallah, he was there as a guest, doing them a favor. schorr was the who was wrong!!

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 Feb 07, 2009 at 11:18 PM Anonymous Says:

I'm a person that was personally affected by R schors ballistic behavior.The man might be a big talmid chuchim and mabe a great speaker.but one thing for sure he dosnt begin to understand another persons feelings.It may not even be his fault he might even have a emotional or mental imbalance. Now what gets so complicated is that he is a talmud chuchim so its hard to talk about him halochicly considering he knows how to learn. But it dosent take away from the fact that anyone that ever had him involved in a personal situation would agree that he was problems with his judgemental skills and at times could be very immature. in my opinion this man has to be stopped before he causes any more pain on other peoples lifes like he has caused in mine. And I'm speaking from a personal experience with this wild man.

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 07:09 AM Yossi Says:

Rabbi Schorr acted with his heart and not his head. By acting in the manner in which he did he has caused a chillul Hashem rather than a kiddush Hashem. Wouldn't it have been smarter to confront Lipa in a side room and express your feelings there ?

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 07:06 AM sfas emas Says:

Reply to #12  
Anonymous Says:

It just goes to show that torah without derech eretz is nothing worth Lipa without being the big talmud chuchom is worth more than this schor's torah

Rabbi shoer knows how to learn very good and dip but torah is only with derech aretz so please come out public with. A amsory. If not your torah worth less. thanks vin for putting this post on. Vin don't give up to fight evil

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 07:43 AM Anonymous Says:

Lets see how long rabbi shoer will last in flatbush. When will thay wake up one day one day it might take time but @ the end sof genev ltliaya

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 08:20 AM End of Days Says:

VOIS needs to confirm whether or not its true that the kallah's father asked that Lipa stop.

If its true, and LIpa refused to leave, he did wrong. The mesora has wrong understanding of Kamtza and Bar Kamtza. It WASN'T the rabbis who were wrong, it was Bar Kamtza for chuzzpadickily insisting he stay at a party where the host asked him to leave!!

Please, VOIS, please confirm whether or not this "fact" is true or not - it would clarify the situation tremendously.

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 08:48 AM Very Sad Says:

It is sad to to say - but it is because of "non-smart" actions of Rav Schor (and other Gedolim) that people are loosing respect for our Gedolim today.

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 08:55 AM Anonymous Says:

Any statement from "Rabbi" Schorr? What happened over Shabbos? Update, please!!

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 08:53 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #235  
Anonymous Says:

Lets see how long rabbi shoer will last in flatbush. When will thay wake up one day one day it might take time but @ the end sof genev ltliaya

he will not last there much longer as certain machers and relatives of his will make sure of it. he is a tremendous bizayon for his shul his family and for the general klal

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 09:03 AM Anonymous Says:

I see it has over 200 posts so no point to write anything..just want to say... lipa there is no one like you..whoever doesn't believe me. just look at this..lipa just came out with a new cd and he has the event going on in a few weeks..wow he should thank everyone for the free pr he is gettting..lipa stay strong

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 09:12 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #28  
ali Says:

By the way..you cant see anything from this video. I cannot see or hear R' Schorr doing anything wrong!!!

ask any person who was by the wedding to tell you what happened over there. if there was just one goy there it would have been a chillul hashem. a person must justify rabbi's but if they do something wrong there is no way that their deeds could be justified. he did something disgusting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 09:31 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #241  
Anonymous Says:

ask any person who was by the wedding to tell you what happened over there. if there was just one goy there it would have been a chillul hashem. a person must justify rabbi's but if they do something wrong there is no way that their deeds could be justified. he did something disgusting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You don't need a goy to make a chillul Hashem.
Chillul Hashem applies by a Yid (at least) as well.

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 09:27 AM listen be4 u talk Says:

lipa is good for nebach kids from straying not for frum weddings! harav shorr was correct for asking him to stop I was there! also rav shorr doesn't need a blog to correct himself as all of his followers understand the the readers of this blog are not so busy doing the right think so rav shorr is ignoring the whole thing ...if it will happen again... rav schorr will do the same thing and lipa will be quite and get off the stage...watch next week as they are both attending the same chassuna listen watch then talk ( or blog)

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 09:27 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #143  
End of Days Says:

Lipa was the loser here. When asked by one of the fathers of the choson and calah to stop singing and leave, he should have left. Period.

This is the problem with kamtza and bar kamtza. There is a different pshat, which is to say, bar Kamtza should have LEFT WHEN ASKED TO instead of brazenly engaging in a confrontation.

If the baal simcha went to R. Schorr and told him that Lipa would not leave, R. Schorr acted like a TZADDIK to try to get him to leave. What was he supposed to do? Sit there and let Lipa trample on the bridal party?

And if it was the Chason who asked him to sing, then he should have gracefully stopped when asked to, and tzniusly confer with the Chason, and let the Chason decide. DISRESPECTFUL to the father of the bride/choson, AND the Chason.

If this was my friend's kid's wedding, I would've done the same thing as R. Schorr.

Hey there END OF DAYS,
Did you go to the Hamas School of Propoganda?
You're making up your own 'facts'!
The Chosson's father NEVER asked Lipa to stop!
So now, what's your point?

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 09:26 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #75  
Anonymous Says:


Lipa ia not a good influence on our children,

he is probably a better influnce on your children then you are

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 09:13 AM Eli Says:

Reply to #236  
End of Days Says:

VOIS needs to confirm whether or not its true that the kallah's father asked that Lipa stop.

If its true, and LIpa refused to leave, he did wrong. The mesora has wrong understanding of Kamtza and Bar Kamtza. It WASN'T the rabbis who were wrong, it was Bar Kamtza for chuzzpadickily insisting he stay at a party where the host asked him to leave!!

Please, VOIS, please confirm whether or not this "fact" is true or not - it would clarify the situation tremendously.

This doesn't metter, one thing is confirmed he is a friend of the other mechuten, and he begged him to be M'samech with a few songs, Lipa did it for him, now even if the other mechuten asked him to stop, he has no rights over the other mechuten, from the dancing after the music stoped with Rav Schorr, I can indeed see that this is some cult like chasidus, with a bunch of wanna-be chasddim....
Rav Schorr lost the last little respect he had.....

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 10:23 AM to the person who took the video Says:

to the person who took this video....How do you sleep at night ?? look at the chilel hashem you are making... tens of thousnads of people are loosing there respect for a big talmid chuchim...

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 10:19 AM Yossi Says:

Reply to #119  
Anonymous Says:

Really shocked how people are so strong for lipa and against Rabbi Schor, let me ask all of you a simple question if chas vshulem you are in a tsura and you only a chice of those 2 people to go to explain your tsura and he should pray to god for you to whom would you go to rabbi schor or to lipa, next if you need help in hashkufa and you need a daas torah to whom would you go to rabbi schor or to lipa, sure rabbi schor so du you don't trust him here wgat he do, if you don't understand him go ask him he has a daas torah and I'm surr he would. Be dlad to answer you, and what people saying that lipa are mkarev yidishe kinder that's is shtisim its not true he brings in the goyishkeit in yidishe songs, and what lipa ask ehrlicha yidn zenen mkarev shvachere that's what he do he want to be mkarav the shvacha nshumes lhashem yisbrech and he hold that lipa is a big problam for this because he is a avoida zura

What an ignorant and stupid argument! How is this all relevant to simchas chussen v'kallah?!

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 10:18 AM Yossi Says:

Reply to #231  
Anonymous Says:

AGAIN YOU'RE BLAMING LIPA????? Lipa was doing a mitzvah of being mesameach chasson and kallah, he was there as a guest, doing them a favor. schorr was the who was wrong!!

You are absolutely right. It all comes down to this:

Lipa was being mesamayach chussen v'kalla.

R' Schorr destroyed simchas chussen v'kalla.

Why is it even an argument as to which one is righteous and which one is misguided?

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 10:33 AM Chaim Says:

Very few Rabbis are like this one.

Its a shame the few bad ones are getting all the publicity!

How can we ensure that the majority still get our respect when so much focus is put on individuals like this ox?

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 10:24 AM Yossi Says:

Reply to #119  
Anonymous Says:

Really shocked how people are so strong for lipa and against Rabbi Schor, let me ask all of you a simple question if chas vshulem you are in a tsura and you only a chice of those 2 people to go to explain your tsura and he should pray to god for you to whom would you go to rabbi schor or to lipa, next if you need help in hashkufa and you need a daas torah to whom would you go to rabbi schor or to lipa, sure rabbi schor so du you don't trust him here wgat he do, if you don't understand him go ask him he has a daas torah and I'm surr he would. Be dlad to answer you, and what people saying that lipa are mkarev yidishe kinder that's is shtisim its not true he brings in the goyishkeit in yidishe songs, and what lipa ask ehrlicha yidn zenen mkarev shvachere that's what he do he want to be mkarav the shvacha nshumes lhashem yisbrech and he hold that lipa is a big problam for this because he is a avoida zura

If R' Schorr is the big tzaddik that he is made out to be, then he will realize his mistake and issue a public apology to the chussen and kallah, and to Lipa.

An aveirah that was committed b'rabim (public) must be reprimanded b'rabim.

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 09:57 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #103  
Anonymous Says:

What? We Yiddin know that to embarrass a fellow Jew is is like killing him, and it's like " avoidah zurah" look toisfes soitah d' yud!

"kol hakoiays k'ilu oived avoide zura".
Avrumy, what do you have to say for yourself?
According to your own words, Lipa may be an avoda zora, but when you lost it, you deened avoide zora!!

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 11:30 AM The Power of a Niggun! Says:

To #54: How can you compare the koach of a rebbe who can take a non-Jewish niggun and uplift it to stam a person adopting goyishe tunes for his own purposes? Get an education! Do you have any idea of the power that a tune has on the soul? It doesn't matter what the lyrics are--the composer of the tune has a tremendous effect on the one who listens to it. Go learn some Chassidut!

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 11:46 AM Anonymous Says:

Did someone say that Schor appoligize? Then he does not know Schorr! He believes that the shechine talks from his throat; he believes that he is Moshe rabeinus sole messenger in these times and he cannot say or do no wrong.A rachmunes on his shtibbel hoppers, they never know on whom Schor will take out his rage.

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 11:42 AM Anonymous Says:

A talmid chochom sheyn boy daas. A talmud chochem without smarts is worse then a dog. this is a mamer chazal. This Schor guy has been known to fly off the handle whereever he had a job. He had to be fired because of the bad influence he imparted on bucherim. To him the only solution is vilde shtik, screaming, ranting raving, going balistic and NOT kovesh es kasi. to hold in his rage. Even in his shule he is known to go into rages for no good reason. A pity on his poor wife, at least he is not home that much. I heard that his hands are the hands of Eisov, he has hit other yidden. Just a plain wild out of control meshigene who calls himself a RAV. Mi somche Lish?
Is his actions at that chasene an example how a talmud chuchem should act?
All would agree that Lipa is a much better example than Schorr ever will be.

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 11:32 AM Watch your words Says:

Reply to #246  
Eli Says:

This doesn't metter, one thing is confirmed he is a friend of the other mechuten, and he begged him to be M'samech with a few songs, Lipa did it for him, now even if the other mechuten asked him to stop, he has no rights over the other mechuten, from the dancing after the music stoped with Rav Schorr, I can indeed see that this is some cult like chasidus, with a bunch of wanna-be chasddim....
Rav Schorr lost the last little respect he had.....

I recommend you to be careful not to call chassidus a cult. How can you honestly believe that, more than 200 years after the Baal Shem Tov revealed hashem's treasure to the world? Are you being honest--or merely inflammatory?

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 12:15 PM yidel Says:

Reply to #247  
to the person who took the video Says:

to the person who took this video....How do you sleep at night ?? look at the chilel hashem you are making... tens of thousnads of people are loosing there respect for a big talmid chuchim...

What about a chillul Hashem on the part of a "so called" talmid chochom?
Talmid Chachom dosn’t behave this way...
They don't embarrass other yiden (and avadeh not in public).
They don't walk into other people simchas and make a ruckus.
They behave when they have a job in yeshivos (where young Jewish minds are formed) and make machlokes as your talmid chochom has done ...not once not twice, just many many many times.
Please find K'lal Yisroel bigger and better talmidei chachomim....

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 12:42 PM Anonymous Says:

I am familiar with kirev work involving off the derech young boys; not once did any parent say or for that matter any boy indicate that any music had anything to do with him going off the derech. I have heard infinite stories and reasons, music is never mentioned, and Lipe for sure not, quite the opposite It is the Lipas of he world that hold theses bys somewhat connected. By the way, 80% of the reasons mentioned is the HYPOCRISY OF THEIR PARENTS, REBBEIM AND LEADERS LIKE SCHOR.
I challenge anyone to prove that Lipas singing and antics was the cause of anyones going off the derech. The damage that a Schor does is much more palpible and destructive. It brings, teaches and justifies and glorifies machlokes, chutzpa and aziz as a way to do GOD'S work and will. Mamesh Taliban. Only a Schor, ox and bull has the nerve to promote such behaviour.

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 01:16 PM Anonymous Says:

I feel so bad for the chosen and kallah; their simcha will be remembered by the stupid outburst of that raging Shor-Ox-Bull, who calls himself a Rav, against a highly respected entertainer

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 01:10 PM challange! Says:

to (258) I take you up on the challange as will two other boys.... lipas acting ad music took them out of yeshiva starting their own gig and wanna be lipa style...

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 01:08 PM reply to 258 Says:

let vin contact me... u know of two boys that went off the derech so far.... be careful what to be provin of.....

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 01:02 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #249  
Yossi Says:

You are absolutely right. It all comes down to this:

Lipa was being mesamayach chussen v'kalla.

R' Schorr destroyed simchas chussen v'kalla.

Why is it even an argument as to which one is righteous and which one is misguided?

if you call lipas singing SIMCHA, then klal yisroel is in deep trouble

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 12:59 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #3  
Anonymous Says:

to rabby shorr with all u respect i think there is much bigger prblems going on that lipa singing by chasenes i have never heard you talking about the pedophiles in the jewish comunity form this u sacered beacause u worry about u pocket ,i m sure in shull u also have pedophiles shame on you to be mevaze a person in public .lipa is a tsadik i dont think there is alot of people like him who does chesed .

oh!! lipa is a tzadik because of his chesed??? do you know how many goiem are doing chesed??? including sonei yisroel!!

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 12:57 PM Somebody Says:

None of us are big enough to know the Halacha and decide who is right or wrong. We shouldnt knock Rabbi Schorr or Lipa. What we need is Daas Torah to lay down the rules in order to avoid such a thing from happening again.

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 01:39 PM Anonymous Says:

Lipa can't even go to simcha and enjoy himself.

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 01:33 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #264  
Somebody Says:

None of us are big enough to know the Halacha and decide who is right or wrong. We shouldnt knock Rabbi Schorr or Lipa. What we need is Daas Torah to lay down the rules in order to avoid such a thing from happening again.

I don't think we need a das torah to teach derech eretz bain adam l'chaveiro

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 01:27 PM Anonymous Says:

Does this "Rav" have a right to interfere with someones simcha? He should apologize to the chosson and kallah, their families and all those who attended the wedding for this uncalled for behavior. If this man does not approve of this Lipa guy then he should have left. That would have made a point in a very pointed an ba'alabatish way. Not making a scene and embarrassing the chosson and kallah.

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 02:31 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #150  
Channaleh Says:

It's people like this so called Rabbi Schorr this that make kids go off the derech

sorry its people like you that kids go off jews and everyone alike need autority if you tell your kids you don't like whatt the rov did then you probally tell your kids that their rabeim/teachers ate crazy you show rhem we don't have to listen to people so when you tell your kids why in the world should they listen to you you show them we don't have to listenJUST BECAUSE WE DONT UNDERSTAND SOES NOT MAKE THEM WRONG

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 02:27 PM Anonymous Says:

I was just thinking wow all the problems we have in todays world.. and we have nothing better to do then say its all about lipa some of u make me laugh.. do u really believe anyone went of the derech because of lipa.. are you in dream land? its time for you to wake up.. we have so many boys going of the derech today and does anyone beleieve its because of lipa.. hey if u don't like him don't buy his cd or when I see him at a wedding leave the wedding.. so far I see ppl love his music. u can't argue with the fact his cd sells faster then any other singer. think that is enough proof that this is what ppl want and like.. the bottom line is u don't like it leave the wedding don't come and make the whole chassnah a purim shpiel

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 02:09 PM rabbi miller Says:

What arrogance!

Last year, he lied to all the gedolim in order to ban Lipa's concert. In the process, he caused a huge bizayon to the gedolim, as well as a huge financial loss to the tzedakah sponsoring the concert. Now he shows up at a wedding, and disrupts the most important day in the bride and groom's life in order to push his vendetta against Lipa.

It's time for responsible leadership in the yeshiva world to ostracize him. At the very least, he should be made to publicly apologize to Lipa for embarrassing him in public.

His father ZT'L must be rolling over in his grave.

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 02:53 PM Mrs Fisch Says:

What does yiddishkeit say about embarrassing a Yid in public? If R' Shorr didn't like Lipa's singing, perhaps he should have taken the matter up with him in private. You don't pick and choose which Mitzvos you are willing to keep - Halbanas Panim is a major issur- as is destroying someone else's simcha.

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 03:29 PM binderdundat Says:

Reply to #229  
Anonymous Says:

Dont hold your breath, you will never hear an apology from this man till hell freezes over. He holds himself above apologizing.. He is the Godol Hador.

He is no Godol Hador. A Godol knows that derech eretz kadma letorah. All his torah knowledge is worth nothing if he cant have derech eretz for other human beings. He is just a power hungry monster.

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 06:43 PM Anonymous Says:

I have a special child (retarted) who waits all year to sing w/Lipa in camp.

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 05:58 PM avrohom schorr Says:

Reply to #44  
monsey'er Says:

I know one thing, Reb Avruhm Schorr is a Yid a talmed Chucim and Yiras Shomiem, vs Lipa Schmeltzer the lowest of the low.

Aoutmotacly the shvacher oilem will give Lipa right, and the Serious oilam will understand that Rav Schorr knows what hes doing!!

first of all the next time you wright something you should think first and second who are you to judge klal yisroel and to decide who is higher and who is lower. how can you just wright on a person that he is lowest of the low shame on you. lipa does alot of chessed and brings simchah to so many yidden young and old healthy and lo aleinu the sick.we have to thank hashem for sending us such a gifted hartzige yid to be mechazek us in these trying times

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 05:56 PM Yosef Says:

Reply to #18  
a reader Says:

there was once a time (not so many years ago) when we looked to our rabbonim as a source of kiddush hashem. nowadays, our rabbonim are the source of: concert bans, child molestation cover-ups, and now this - being mevayesh a yid berabim and ruining a heimishe simchas choson v'kallah!!
i am reminded of the midrash at the begining of megillas Rus - the pasuk says "b'ymei sh'fot ha'shoftim" - literally, "in the days when the judges judged", and there was a famine in the land. the medrash says that it means "when the judges (themselves) were judged" - and there was a famine. meaning: Woe to a generation whose leaders (judges) themselves are so corrupt and rotten that they themselves need to be judged!!
Is there any question that we are currently such a generation? if these are our leaders, we truly are in bad, bad shape.

Firstly, everyone seems to be very aware of the laws of embarrassing in public. Are we not then also aware of the laws of judging people favorably? Unless you have paskened that Rabbi Schore is already Muchzak to be a Rasha - which is not easy even for real Resha'im as per sefer Chofetz Chaim - then he is entitled to the same degree of "Betzedek Tishpot Amisecha" as any other Jew. By the way, The Medrash in Rus actually says the opposite of what you have depicted. The problem wasn't that the judges were corrupt and needed to be judged, but rather that the PEOPLE were corrupt for judging their judges. You talk about Rabbonim of today and their lack of leadership. Do you have a Rav? Did you ask his opinion before posting your venomous comments about another Jew? You wonder why the Rabonim don't lead? It's obvious. The people today don't want to be lead!! Let's stop the Lashon Hara on both sides, and maybe then we could bring Mashiach.

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 08:09 PM reply to 260 Says:

Lol. Never heard something quite so stupid in my life. You should start blaming every doctor for taking off the derch two kids cause they wanted to be docors too. Every person who made money is guiding off the derech 100rds of boys wanting to be rich too! Come on. Get a life!

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 08:58 PM Relax Says:

You are all missing the point.
The point is not whether Lipa is a tzaddik or a low life. he is neither. he's a poshiter yid ;)
the point is not whether you like his music or not, we were never commanded "all jews must have the same taste in music!"
the point my friends, is that we are suffering from an ailment called yeridas hadoros. and therefore, i believe, any rav rabbi or rebba living today in america, is not worthy of his title. they are all money/power hungry fools. some speak very well, others tantalize in other ways. But in the end, they put on their pants one leg at a time just like us. Obviously many simple minded people can't think for themselves so they need to run to these so called rabbis for brachos or advice. but they should know its the same as running to a solid brick wall. In today's day, we are not fortunate in america to have any holy people leading us. get used to it.
No reason to blow up over the disgrace this Schorr caused, because if you come to the realization that there are no rabbis today, u wont be offended by his behaviour. he's just another poshiter yid doing another poshiter aveira. nothing to cry over.

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 10:19 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #272  
binderdundat Says:

He is no Godol Hador. A Godol knows that derech eretz kadma letorah. All his torah knowledge is worth nothing if he cant have derech eretz for other human beings. He is just a power hungry monster.

you are 100% right

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 Feb 09, 2009 at 02:55 AM Born in the USA Says:

Reply to #277  
Relax Says:

You are all missing the point.
The point is not whether Lipa is a tzaddik or a low life. he is neither. he's a poshiter yid ;)
the point is not whether you like his music or not, we were never commanded "all jews must have the same taste in music!"
the point my friends, is that we are suffering from an ailment called yeridas hadoros. and therefore, i believe, any rav rabbi or rebba living today in america, is not worthy of his title. they are all money/power hungry fools. some speak very well, others tantalize in other ways. But in the end, they put on their pants one leg at a time just like us. Obviously many simple minded people can't think for themselves so they need to run to these so called rabbis for brachos or advice. but they should know its the same as running to a solid brick wall. In today's day, we are not fortunate in america to have any holy people leading us. get used to it.
No reason to blow up over the disgrace this Schorr caused, because if you come to the realization that there are no rabbis today, u wont be offended by his behaviour. he's just another poshiter yid doing another poshiter aveira. nothing to cry over.

There are some very choshuv Rabbanim in the U.S.
And Rebbes.
they don't yell at people.
they aren't rodef almanos or yesomim.
they are not chasing after kavod.
they learn torah,
daaven for Klal Yisroel,
and smile at other Jews.

Boruch Hashem

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 10:59 PM Garfunkel Says:

I was at the wedding. Whether the mechutan wanted Lipa to stop or not is irrelevant. That is an issue he should have taken up with his mechutan. Rabbi Schorr had no right to get involved, and if the mechutan who is his mispallel had asked him to get involved, he should have had the brains to advise his mechutan to grow up and realize that it's his kid's chasunah and that he should let it go. Lipa was going to sing for 5 minutes and leave. Instead, Schorr reacted the way he did, rather than advising his mispalel the way he should have.

We are dealing with a cult here. Schorr's shul is a cult. The mispalelim treat him like their Rebbe and have no brains of their own once he says something. It is very unfortunate. So that's the story. Rather than advising the mechutan to be normal, Schorr just thrives on his mispalel's lack of reason, because who do you think the mispalel learned it from? Schorr himself!

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 Feb 08, 2009 at 07:58 PM Rabbi miller Says:

What's interesting is that this happened at the wedding of the son of the Editor/owner of the Yated Neeman. A paper that is known for publishing and agreeing with the most extreme views.

His paper happily published the ban against Schmeltzer.

People who cater to extremists eventually gets to feel their sting.

So now his own ox was gored. And publicly for the whole world to see. midah kneged midah

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 Feb 09, 2009 at 10:05 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #101  
ShatzMatz Says:

I was at the wedding and know both mecutanim. the finest people you will find anywhere. They don't deserve all this controversy surrounding this incident. One of the mechutanim is one of the choshuvest mispalelim by R. Shur. I think that in consideration of one of his biggest baalie batim, perhaps R. Shur should have controlled himself better at the wedding. Now, not only was the wedding tainted, but there are hard feelings between the mechutanim, which is not a healthy way to start a marriage.

This is the greatest tragedy of the incident! May this horrible memory be replaced, or at least dimmed, by much future joy in the lives of the Chosen & Kallah and may the other members of the family remember that their children's happiness is paramount, so that they will strive to restore sholem bayis.

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 Feb 09, 2009 at 10:04 AM Rabbi Miller your wrong!! Says:

I dont know which wedding it was at............but I do know that the Yated did NOT "happily publish the ban against Schmeltzer"!!
Get your facts correct before you write please.......
That was the stupid Hamodea that prints anything and everything for a few dollars!

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 Feb 09, 2009 at 10:08 AM #7 Says:

I have charata for what I wrote, I wasn't there and had no right to judge let there be peace and bracha for all of klal yisroel and I am a Lipa fan

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 Feb 09, 2009 at 10:20 AM selective hearing Says:

Reply to #283  
Rabbi Miller your wrong!! Says:

I dont know which wedding it was at............but I do know that the Yated did NOT "happily publish the ban against Schmeltzer"!!
Get your facts correct before you write please.......
That was the stupid Hamodea that prints anything and everything for a few dollars!

Thank you for showing your true colors.
When you throw mud, however, you do get dirty.

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 Feb 09, 2009 at 10:36 AM TO #243 Says:

You say that - rav shorr is ignoring the whole thing - HE SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF HIMSELF - one thing for sure - any teeny tiny bit of Olam haba he might have saved until now - is gone - ha ha - he'll be sent off the stage in front of Hashem and all the REAL gedolim. - He'll be begging Lipa to forgive him while Lipa sings with Dovid Hamelech.
Remember - no good dead can be done in the face of evil, and Hamalbim pnei chaveiro berabim - is EVIL no matter what your agenda is.

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 Feb 09, 2009 at 10:32 AM RABBI MILLER U HAVE NO IDEA WHAT UR TALKING ABOUT Says:

Rabbi Miller - what utter lies - the Yated was THE ONLY chareidi newspaper who REFUSED to publish the ban!!!!!!!
Get your fact straight before you post.

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 Feb 09, 2009 at 12:27 PM Eliyahu Says:

Reb Lipa met this nisayon and passed with flying colors. How many people coud have maintained their composure and not have at least responded with words of anger or perhaps even after suck provocation pushed or struck back. Lipa maintained his cool and his dignity and never said or did anything in anger.What amazing yiras shamayim and menchlchkeit. Yashar koach to him! This reminds one of the person who attempted to anger Hillel. (see Shabbas 30b-31a). What wondeful mussar from Reb Lipa.

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 Feb 09, 2009 at 01:02 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #281  
Rabbi miller Says:

What's interesting is that this happened at the wedding of the son of the Editor/owner of the Yated Neeman. A paper that is known for publishing and agreeing with the most extreme views.

His paper happily published the ban against Schmeltzer.

People who cater to extremists eventually gets to feel their sting.

So now his own ox was gored. And publicly for the whole world to see. midah kneged midah

moisha kapoyer. yated cant stand schorr. looks like they buried the ox for good

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 Feb 09, 2009 at 02:17 PM Realist Says:

Reply to #284  
#7 Says:

I have charata for what I wrote, I wasn't there and had no right to judge let there be peace and bracha for all of klal yisroel and I am a Lipa fan

Yasher Koach for your retraction and apology; now if only those who were there, were to follow your example... YEAH RIGHT. Dream on.

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 Feb 09, 2009 at 02:07 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #281  
Rabbi miller Says:

What's interesting is that this happened at the wedding of the son of the Editor/owner of the Yated Neeman. A paper that is known for publishing and agreeing with the most extreme views.

His paper happily published the ban against Schmeltzer.

People who cater to extremists eventually gets to feel their sting.

So now his own ox was gored. And publicly for the whole world to see. midah kneged midah

You are just another desciple of the Hamas School of Propaganda!
Something becomes fact because you said so!
Yated never printed the ban. Lipa was at the wedding as a guest of R' Pinny L.

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 Feb 09, 2009 at 10:22 PM lou bob Says:

Reply to #262  
Anonymous Says:

if you call lipas singing SIMCHA, then klal yisroel is in deep trouble

u obviously hav no clue about music if u say that!

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 Feb 10, 2009 at 01:26 PM my 2 cents Says:

Reply to #291  
Anonymous Says:

You are just another desciple of the Hamas School of Propaganda!
Something becomes fact because you said so!
Yated never printed the ban. Lipa was at the wedding as a guest of R' Pinny L.

The very fact that the Yated/Pinny did not cover the concert ban is in itself a big avla. Pinny knew that there were so called rabbanim who lied to the pulbic, causing a major chillul hashem and causing way over $100.000 in losses . Pinny did not have a problem covering the shteizaltz story and embaressing him in public . Pinny did not have a problem covering both Tendler stories and embarassing them in public . Pinny did not have a problem covering the Reiner story and embarrasing him in public . Pinny did not have a problem covering the Rabbi Slifkin story and embarasing him in public. But pinny has a problem exposing Rabbi Shor who is a disgrace to all REAL rabonim and yiddishkiet. Pinny you got what you deserve.

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 Feb 10, 2009 at 02:28 PM moish Says:

Reply to #292  
lou bob Says:

u obviously hav no clue about music if u say that!

u have no clue about simcha

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 Feb 10, 2009 at 06:18 PM Anonymous Says:

not one of u has a right to speak about a gadol hador in such a manner with chutzpah and without cavod. there is a reason obviously rabbi shorr feels this way and theres a reason he is the gadol hador and none of you because if you would be we would be in deep trouble with the way u talk about a shaliach hashem -whether this particular situation is a little too harsh is a different story but watch wat comes out!!!

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 Feb 10, 2009 at 08:43 PM shmeel hersh Says:

Reply to #37  
Anonymous Says:

mitzva lushmoha diverie chachumim if he insisted to go down he should have done it right away if not then with force why was nobody moyche what a bigshot.

who says that he is from our chachumim? with behavior like this he isnt even close.

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 Feb 10, 2009 at 06:55 PM Anonymous Says:

not one of u has a right to speak about a gadol hador in such a manner with chutzpah and without cavod. there is a reason obviously rabbi shorr feels this way and theres a reason he is the gadol hador and none of you because if you would be we would be in deep trouble with the way u talk about a shaliach hashem -whether this particular situation is a little too harsh is a different story but watch wat comes out!!!

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 Feb 10, 2009 at 09:11 PM BinderDundat Says:

Reply to #297  
Anonymous Says:

not one of u has a right to speak about a gadol hador in such a manner with chutzpah and without cavod. there is a reason obviously rabbi shorr feels this way and theres a reason he is the gadol hador and none of you because if you would be we would be in deep trouble with the way u talk about a shaliach hashem -whether this particular situation is a little too harsh is a different story but watch wat comes out!!!

Pardon me, u blind fool. EVERY one of us has a right to speak out against someone who does not have kovod habrios. A godol hador does not farshter someone else's simcha with his personal agenda. Schorr is far from a godol hador, very very far. The only thing godol about him is his ego.

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 Feb 11, 2009 at 12:44 AM Anonymous Says:

you know, there is a story about a lady that was walking in the market place in a red dress and along comes this "chashuve" rav and rips the dress off saying how untzniut and wrong it is. and you thing rav schorr is bad?!
oh wait a second i forgot, the story is in the gemara and its referring to a tanna and the gemaras intent is to show how the older generations were much greater since they actively stood against what they believed to be wrong.
imagine if a rav did that today and i could imagine what you am aratzim would be saying about him.
go learn something about judiasm.
why dont you try to figure out why rav schorr feels that lipa is a threat to judaism instead of taking the side of the underdog, regardless of whether the underdog is wrong or right?
just look at the very video you have posted to indict rav schorr, does anyone realize how all the bochurim just gather around this single guy who sings (whos voice by the way isnt all that great, if anyone bothers to remember , lipas claim to fame is and always has been his leitzanus and "fun songs") and start waving like fools at him. does no one see anything wrong with this picture, here you have bochurim that are (assumedly) learning all day, and they belittle themselves to go idolize some dude that sings. seriously? seriously?!! its ridiculous and i see where rav schorr is coming from. hes the only one with enough guts to actually do something about it.

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 Feb 11, 2009 at 02:32 AM i agree Says:

Reply to #298  
BinderDundat Says:

Pardon me, u blind fool. EVERY one of us has a right to speak out against someone who does not have kovod habrios. A godol hador does not farshter someone else's simcha with his personal agenda. Schorr is far from a godol hador, very very far. The only thing godol about him is his ego.

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Anonymous Says:
“ You are just another desciple of the Hamas School of Propaganda!
Something becomes fact because you said so!
Yated never printed the ban. Lipa was at the wedding as a guest of R' Pinny L. ”

The very fact that the Yated/Pinny did not cover the concert ban is in itself a big avla. Pinny knew that there were so called rabbanim who lied to the pulbic, causing a major chillul hashem and causing way over $100.000 in losses . Pinny did not have a problem covering the shteizaltz story and embaressing him in public . Pinny did not have a problem covering both Tendler stories and embarassing them in public . Pinny did not have a problem covering the Reiner story and embarrasing him in public . Pinny did not have a problem covering the Rabbi Slifkin story and embarasing him in public. But pinny has a problem exposing Rabbi Shor who is a disgrace to all REAL rabonim and yiddishkiet. Pinny you got what you deserve.

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 Feb 11, 2009 at 02:29 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #299  
Anonymous Says:

you know, there is a story about a lady that was walking in the market place in a red dress and along comes this "chashuve" rav and rips the dress off saying how untzniut and wrong it is. and you thing rav schorr is bad?!
oh wait a second i forgot, the story is in the gemara and its referring to a tanna and the gemaras intent is to show how the older generations were much greater since they actively stood against what they believed to be wrong.
imagine if a rav did that today and i could imagine what you am aratzim would be saying about him.
go learn something about judiasm.
why dont you try to figure out why rav schorr feels that lipa is a threat to judaism instead of taking the side of the underdog, regardless of whether the underdog is wrong or right?
just look at the very video you have posted to indict rav schorr, does anyone realize how all the bochurim just gather around this single guy who sings (whos voice by the way isnt all that great, if anyone bothers to remember , lipas claim to fame is and always has been his leitzanus and "fun songs") and start waving like fools at him. does no one see anything wrong with this picture, here you have bochurim that are (assumedly) learning all day, and they belittle themselves to go idolize some dude that sings. seriously? seriously?!! its ridiculous and i see where rav schorr is coming from. hes the only one with enough guts to actually do something about it.

The gemara calls people like you a danger to society and its a mitzva to be mevazeh you in public. I think i will hire Rabbi shor to do this job.

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 Feb 11, 2009 at 09:57 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #299  
Anonymous Says:

you know, there is a story about a lady that was walking in the market place in a red dress and along comes this "chashuve" rav and rips the dress off saying how untzniut and wrong it is. and you thing rav schorr is bad?!
oh wait a second i forgot, the story is in the gemara and its referring to a tanna and the gemaras intent is to show how the older generations were much greater since they actively stood against what they believed to be wrong.
imagine if a rav did that today and i could imagine what you am aratzim would be saying about him.
go learn something about judiasm.
why dont you try to figure out why rav schorr feels that lipa is a threat to judaism instead of taking the side of the underdog, regardless of whether the underdog is wrong or right?
just look at the very video you have posted to indict rav schorr, does anyone realize how all the bochurim just gather around this single guy who sings (whos voice by the way isnt all that great, if anyone bothers to remember , lipas claim to fame is and always has been his leitzanus and "fun songs") and start waving like fools at him. does no one see anything wrong with this picture, here you have bochurim that are (assumedly) learning all day, and they belittle themselves to go idolize some dude that sings. seriously? seriously?!! its ridiculous and i see where rav schorr is coming from. hes the only one with enough guts to actually do something about it.

and just for the record if that tana was around today and some one red him to your daughter u wouldn't speak to him ever again because this tanna had a REAL job

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 Feb 11, 2009 at 12:58 PM ary Says:

Reply to #31  
Conservative One Says:

Shame on all of you for insulting a Godol BYisroel like Rav Schorr Shlita and defending a low-life like Shmeltzer. He has done nothing more that adopt Chukas HaGoim with his shtick and that is most probably what Rav Schorr meant when he said Avodah Zora. Rav Schorr meanwhile is a Marbitz Torah and someone that children can look up to and try to emulate but not this Shmeltzer character.

i certainly don't want my children acting like gang-members, atacking people they don't like. who appointed the conceited guy shor as our tznius police. i think he should pack-up from flatbush and move 2 mea shearim and fight with the the israeli police

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 Feb 11, 2009 at 10:37 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #236  
End of Days Says:

VOIS needs to confirm whether or not its true that the kallah's father asked that Lipa stop.

If its true, and LIpa refused to leave, he did wrong. The mesora has wrong understanding of Kamtza and Bar Kamtza. It WASN'T the rabbis who were wrong, it was Bar Kamtza for chuzzpadickily insisting he stay at a party where the host asked him to leave!!

Please, VOIS, please confirm whether or not this "fact" is true or not - it would clarify the situation tremendously.

you are so WRONG!! bar kamtza asked to stay so not to get imbarrassed. he was forced to leave anyway causing him great shame, and this brought about the chorban!!

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 Feb 11, 2009 at 10:44 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #247  
to the person who took the video Says:

to the person who took this video....How do you sleep at night ?? look at the chilel hashem you are making... tens of thousnads of people are loosing there respect for a big talmid chuchim...

i see you are trying to blame everyone and anyone besides for the real culprit. THE MAN WHO TOOK THE VIDEO IS TO BLAME FOR THE CHILLUL HASHEM???????????????? come on! can't you think of anything better? the "big talmid chacham(??)" should have thought twice before he acted.

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 Feb 11, 2009 at 10:49 PM lipa's chassid Says:

Reply to #119  
Anonymous Says:

Really shocked how people are so strong for lipa and against Rabbi Schor, let me ask all of you a simple question if chas vshulem you are in a tsura and you only a chice of those 2 people to go to explain your tsura and he should pray to god for you to whom would you go to rabbi schor or to lipa, next if you need help in hashkufa and you need a daas torah to whom would you go to rabbi schor or to lipa, sure rabbi schor so du you don't trust him here wgat he do, if you don't understand him go ask him he has a daas torah and I'm surr he would. Be dlad to answer you, and what people saying that lipa are mkarev yidishe kinder that's is shtisim its not true he brings in the goyishkeit in yidishe songs, and what lipa ask ehrlicha yidn zenen mkarev shvachere that's what he do he want to be mkarav the shvacha nshumes lhashem yisbrech and he hold that lipa is a big problam for this because he is a avoida zura

i would go to lipa. hashem would rather hear the tefillah of a good, erliche yid than the tefillah of a person who has no derech eretz, shames people publicly, no self controll, and happens to know some blatt gemara.

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 Feb 11, 2009 at 11:24 PM Mashba"k M'Rimnitz Says:

the Mashba"k of Rimnitzeer rabbi fartzield 2 years ago at the Yurtziet seudah were thousands attended, that he himself witnessed:
a few bachurim came on shabbos by car, and one of the gabbaim yelled at them for being mechallel shabbos, and tried to push them away when they came for sheraim for the rebbe. the Rebbe answered "who made you the balabust of being merachek, and pushing yidden?" afterwords, the rebbe sat down the bachurim near him, and gave them sheraim and called them "my dear children". after shabbos these boys came to the rebbe, and told him that they are mekabel to keep shabbos from now on, and will go back on the derech. the mashbak knows these boys today. they have wonderful families, marrying off children, and are building generations of erliche yidden going in the toradig way.
we see from this story, that you can't be merachek even jews who don't go b'derech hatorah, who has the right to go and be merachek an erliche yid like lipa?
this is what lipa said on the mike at the wedding after being embarrassed by rabbi shorr the words of the holey rimnitzer rebbe: THAT WE HAVE TO BE MEKARIV EVERY JEW AND NOT PUSH THEM AWAY!!

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 Feb 16, 2009 at 02:53 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #2  
Anonymous Says:

RABBI SCHOR explaind his actions in 2 words avode zura.

YOU'RE KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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