Washington – Jared And Ivanka Do Their Own Thing As Observant Jews

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    FILE PHOTO: White House Senior Advisor Jared Kushner sits with his wife Ivanka Trump (L) in Washington, U.S. March 17, 2017. REUTERS/Jim Bourg/Files -Washington – So apparently Jared and Ivanka play golf on Shabbat. Cue the handwringing.

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    The New York Post reported Wednesday that the president’s Jewish daughter and son-in-law like to hit the links on the holy day, and stay within the bounds of the Sabbath rules by walking the course (instead of driving a cart) and tipping the caddie the next day (instead of handling money). Of course, the newspaper also noted that even according to the “less strict” Conservative movement, merely playing the game is a violation of Shabbat.

    Articles of this type are premised on the idea that if Javanka are Orthodox Jews, they should be observing Jewish law, called halachah, strictly by the book. Anything less is hypocrisy or blasphemy.

    On the surface, that assumption seems to make sense. But it’s wrong.

    That’s because Jared and Ivanka have never claimed to strictly observe halachah. And among Jews who identify with Orthodoxy and belong to Orthodox synagogues, they are far from alone.

    In general, Orthodox Jews tend to structure their lives around obligations and restrictions called mitzvot, from observing the Sabbath and praying three times a day to making sure their clothes don’t include a mix of wool and linen. But a broad spectrum of observance exists among the country’s half-million Orthodox Jews, according to the Pew Research Center’s 2013 “Portrait of Jewish Americans,” the study every American Jewish journalist is statutorily required to cite at least twice a month.

    Unsurprisingly, haredi Orthodox Jews — the fervent “black hats” who populate enclaves like Monsey, New York, and Lakewood, New Jersey — abide by halachah. Indeed, a whole subculture has grown around adopting “chumrahs,” or more stringent ways to observe Jewish law.

    But among self-identified modern Orthodox Jews, the picture is more diverse, says Pew. Nearly a quarter say religion isn’t “very important” in their lives, more than a fifth aren’t certain of their belief in God and 18 percent hardly attend services.

    When it comes to Judaism’s legal particulars, nearly a quarter of modern Orthodox Jews don’t light candles on Friday night, 17 percent don’t keep kosher in the home and about a fifth handle money on Shabbat. Alas, the survey did not ask about golfing.

    Orthodoxy is theoretically centered around halachic obligation, and today’s modern Orthodoxy is represented by strictly halachic institutions like Yeshiva University and the Orthodox Union. So what to make of these apparently non-Orthodox Orthodox Jews? Actually it’s not all that strange. There are any number of reasons to affiliate with a movement whose rules you occasionally or even often break. Maybe it’s how you grew up. Maybe you appreciate Orthodoxy’s aesthetic of rigor and tradition. Maybe you like the local Orthodox rabbi or synagogue.

    Or maybe, when you do observe Jewish customs, you prefer to do so in what feels like a more traditionalist atmosphere – praying a full service in Hebrew with a text mostly unchanged for centuries. There’s a long-running joke in Israel – which isn’t really a joke – that the synagogue secular Israelis don’t go to is Orthodox.

    “A lot of people really enjoy the intensity of commitment in the Orthodox community, but they would provide confidentially that they don’t agree with the doctrines or dogmas,” said Rabbi Moshe Grussgott of Congregation Ramath Orah, an Orthodox synagogue in New York City. “They socially find meaning in that community. Every Orthodox rabbi knows such people exist, but there’s an openness. We don’t check to see who believes what.”

    Chabad, the sprawling Hasidic outreach movement, has built a global empire on the idea that Orthodox ritual and affiliation can appeal to non-Orthodox Jews. Chabad emissary couples accept that many of those who attend their synagogues are picking and choosing among the mitzvot, perhaps enjoying a Friday night meal and the Saturday morning service before heading off to the golf course or the garden.

    Jared and Ivanka undoubtedly adhere more to traditional Jewish customs than most American Jews (Pew says only one in seven Jews avoids handling money on Shabbat; only 25 percent of Jewish parents say they have a child who was enrolled in a yeshiva or Jewish day school in the past year).

    But despite the swirling rumors, they’ve – wait for it – never actually claimed to fully observe halachah. Ivanka has discussed her Shabbat observance at length at least twice in the past couple of years, and neither time did she say the family observes Shabbat in the most traditional sense.

    In a 2015 Vogue profile, Ivanka said “We’re pretty observant, more than some, less than others.”

    She went on to say: “Yeah, we observe the Sabbath … From Friday to Saturday we don’t do anything but hang out with one another. We don’t make phone calls … We don’t do anything except play with each other, hang out with one another, go on walks together. Pure family.”

    Jared added that they both “turn our phones off for 25 hours. Putting aside the religious aspect of it; we live in such a fast-paced world.”

    Ivanka repeats this description in her new book, “Women Who Work,” writing that “From sundown Friday to Saturday night, my family and I observe the Shabbat. During this time, we disconnect completely – no emails, no TV, no phone calls, no internet. We enjoy uninterrupted time together and it’s wonderful.”

    (A 2016 New Yorker profile of the couple did call them “shomer Shabbos,” a term that denotes full halachic observance, but never quotes them to that effect. Like Jared and Ivanka themselves, the article mentions unplugging and family time.)

    So let’s break that down. Jared and Ivanka say they unplug for Shabbat: no phone, no computer, no TV. Nowhere do they mention forgoing sports (or not flying in a plane!). Nowhere do they mention Jewish commandments.

    Instead, they talk about the thing many observant Jews value about Shabbat: the chance to disconnect from work stress and their numerous devices, and reconnect with family.

    Yes, Jared grew up in Orthodox institutions. Yes, the family now attends an Orthodox synagogue. Yes, they play golf on Shabbat, eat at non-kosher restaurants and don’t dress in “Orthodox” garb. And yes, there are many other observant Jews like them — you can find them living in Jewish communities from New York to California to Jerusalem. Frum-shaming people like this doesn’t really make sense when they’ve never actually claimed to be frum.

    “Orthodox rabbis have to have that balance,” Grussgott said. “We uphold what halachah and observance should be in the abstract – we don’t compromise on that – but we have to be accepting of everybody.”


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    TruthIsIt
    TruthIsIt
    6 years ago

    I hope no one is going to be too religious and start saying what is “right and what is wrong”.
    Please look at your own backyard before you complain about others.
    Don’t look at Yaakov sins and Hashem will not examine yours today !.

    yonasonw
    Member
    yonasonw
    6 years ago

    First of all, although I suspect it will be pounced on gleefully by the Flatbush/Boro Park/Williamsburg chevra here, the comment “…among self-identified modern Orthodox Jews, the picture is more diverse, says Pew. Nearly a quarter say religion isn’t “very important” in their lives, more than a fifth aren’t certain of their belief in God and 18 percent hardly attend services…” is an inaccurate outrage, due to the “self-identifying” qualifier… it encompasses those who are frum in name only, and is not an accurate measurement of observance.

    I note that the Agudath Rav in my town counts as “Orthodox” any Jew who attends a frum shul…when he attends shul. Among the Centrist Jews in my community are leaders and very learned men who give regular shiurim.

    A “Ger” who doesn’t commit to full observance is sham. While a Yid who loses, or never had, commitment is still a Jew; that’s not always true for a Ger.

    Is there any observant Yid among you who would hesitate to question the status of a “simple woman” in Ivanka’s shoes…and therefore question also the status of her children? Why should it be different for Ivanka?” Just because she’s the Great Leader’s daughter?

    triumphinwhitehouse
    triumphinwhitehouse
    6 years ago

    I like Trump as many know, but Jared is not going to shul on Shabbos when off rather taking jogs and the like, its at best “Orthodox” when compared to Recontructionist, its a joke.

    6 years ago

    Which malcaha are you being “aoveer” by playing golf on shabbos? If its gated its a reshus haychad so no carrying. So what exactly are you doing wrong?? Playing ball is assur? Lots of kids on my block play ball.

    ubgeriser
    ubgeriser
    6 years ago

    It’s just unbelievable why this should be In the news. Who really cares what they do. It would be a greater help for klal yisroel if we would look into how our Rabanim behave and put some of them to shame at their behavior. It’s not our responsibility to judge every individual. Let’s move on

    6 years ago

    They are not orthodox and it’s no ones business. Who cares what they claim?? Stupid article in my opinion, time people move on with their own personal life.

    Secular
    Secular
    6 years ago

    שהמצוה הנכונה כשיבוא הגר או הגיורת להתגייר, בודקין אחריו–שמא בגלל ממון שייטול, או בשביל שררה שיזכה לה, או מפני הפחד, בא להיכנס לדת; ואם איש הוא, בודקין אחריו שמא עיניו נתן באישה יהודית, ואם אישה היא, שמא עיניה נתנה בבחור מבחורי ישראל.
    יא אם לא נמצא להם עילה–מודיעין אותן כובד עול התורה וטורח שיש בעשייתה על עמי הארצות, כדי שיפרושו; אם קיבלו ולא פירשו, וראו אותן שחזרו מאהבה–מקבלים אותן, שנאמר “ותרא, כי מתאמצת היא ללכת איתה; ותחדל, לדבר אליה” (רות א,יח).

    לפיכך לא קיבלו בית דין גרים, כל ימי דויד ושלמה–בימי דויד, שמא מן הפחד חזרו, ובימי שלמה, שמא בשביל המלכות והטובה הגדולה שהיו בה ישראל חזרו: שכל החוזר מן הגויים בשביל דבר מהבלי העולם, אינו מגרי הצדק. ואף על פי כן היו גרים הרבה מתגיירים בימי דויד ושלמה, בפני הדיוטות. והיו בית דין הגדול חוששין להם, לא דוחין אותן, אחר שטבלו מכל מקום; ולא מקרבין אותן, עד שתיראה אחריתם.

    גר שלא בדקו אחריו, או שלא הודיעוהו המצוות ועונשן, ומל וטבל בפני שלושה הדיוטות–הרי זה גר: ואפילו נודע שבשביל דבר הוא מתגייר–הואיל ומל וטבל, יצא מכלל הגויים; וחוששין לו, עד שיתבאר צדקותו. אפילו חזר ועבד עבודה זרה–הרי הוא כישראל משומד, שקידושיו קידושין; ומצוה להחזיר אבידתו, מאחר שטבל נעשה כישראל. ולפיכך קיים שמשון ושלמה נשותיהן, ואף על פי שנגלה סודן.
    טו [יח] ומפני זה אמרו חכמים, קשים להם גרים לישראל כנגע צרעת–שרובן חוזר בשביל דבר, ומטעין את ישראל; וקשה הדבר לפרוש מהם, אחר שנתגיירו. צא ולמד מה אירע במדבר במעשה העגל, ובקברות התאווה; וכן רוב הנסיונות, האספסוף היו בהן תחילה.

    6 years ago

    This article would never have been printed, if it wasn’t for the
    Trump people stirring the pot for years by stating that “Ivanka and Jared are Orthodox Jews”. Finally, they are no longer stating that. Also, their golfing habits, and eating habits would also not be mentioned, if that would stop calling attention to themselves, and their children. Incidentally, not once have I ever heard Jared say two words. In the same manner that he jealously guard his personal privacy (never being interviewed on camera), he should also guard his personal privacy, and tell his wife to stop floating stories such as being “Orthodox”, as well as showing off
    Arabella’s skills. Enough is enough; who really cares about their personal preferences, where they go, etc. If Tiffany has managed to keep a low profile, why can’t Ivanka and family?

    grandpajoe
    grandpajoe
    6 years ago

    One silly question ‘WHOSE BUSINESS IS IT ANYWAY” – they don’t go around flaunting their observance – many people forget many years ago Frum people went to public schools, worked without kippas, traveled in ‘non religious’ circles.
    As we so cloistered, and lacking in our own emunah not to work and mingle in the real world.

    Hitler yemach shemam did not care what and how you observed – but you were a JEW – we today forget that – ad are quick to criticize.

    Just leave them alone, and just worry what is in your own pot.

    Mark Levin
    Mark Levin
    6 years ago

    Let’s cut the​ charade and quit pretending they are Orthodox. They, no, Jared is not Shomer torah u’Mitzvos and she, with her “geyrus” isn’t doing Torah u’Mitzvos azoy vi es darf tzi zan, so we know what that says about the geyrus at this juncture.

    Here’s hoping they do tshuva so we could be proud of them and we see EMESDIKA YIDDISHE NACHAS.

    I’ll bet IY’H SHE will outshteig HIM and being him along for the ride.

    I know some people who posted above will have a hard time understanding this due to their treif left-leaning ideology, but the facts are the facts and you need to accept it.

    6 years ago

    People should stop oversharing their lives in public. They way you connect to g-d is your business. EVERYBODY is not above reproach and yes emunah is a very difficult concept for everybody. Just ask yeshiva administrators. Stop frum shaming because one day you’ll find yourself in that position!

    MyThreeCents
    MyThreeCents
    6 years ago

    So, Jared who was born Jewish is still Jewish although not quite Orthodox. And, Ivanka, can’t really be a giyores if she didn’t fully commit to accepting to keep taryag mitzvos. If she at any time decides to fully undertake keeping all the halachos would she have to go through geirus again to be considered really Jewish? (Or did she fully accept being Jewish so her geirus is valid and now she is a sinning Jew?) If her geirus isn’t a real geirus then her children’s Jewishness is questionable and when they grow up if they want to really keep Yiddishkeit fully would they have to be megayer? In any case, real frum people probably don’t hold from their type of Judaism and wouldn’t have their children doing shidduchim with the Kushners.

    yaakov doe
    Member
    yaakov doe
    6 years ago

    Oy, now I can’t eat in their house because of this apparent chillul Shabbos.

    6 years ago

    People take yiddishkeit very lightly. The Kushners should keep a low profile and not keep saying they are religious. They don’t use the phone but they travel on Shabbos and he goes to work but walks there. Being Jewish is not a game where you pick and choose what and when you wish to live it. The minimum one should keep is Shabbos and kashrus. They eat in non-kosher restaurants and always find an excuse for being mechalel Shabbos. I wonder who performed her conversion.

    6 years ago

    Who cares? Get a life, what they do doesn’t impact my frumkeit at all. I haven’t read any of the comments, but I’m responding because I’m sure the previous 24 are all arguing about Halacha. Do you all follow Halacha to a T? I don’t, even though I try. Are you all perfect Jews? I’m not, I wish I was. loz op and start worrying about what YOUR kids and grandkids are up to, and what kind of examples you set.

    a gut voch from Israel.