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Mahwah, NJ - Eruv And Religion Both Off The Table As Town Council Meets To Discuss Sign Ordinance

Published on: July 28, 2017 11:17 AM
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Mahwah, NJ - It was supposed to be an ordinary meeting of the Mahwah Township Council on Thursday night, but with the township making headlines on a daily basis this week, residents, onlookers and the news media packed Mahwah’s Richard J. Martel Municipal Center last night hoping to hear more about the eruv and preventing Mahwah from becoming the next East Ramapo.

While the meeting was called for 7:30, by 7 PM a standing room only crowd had already gathered in the council chambers, which seats approximately 150 people, with well over 250 people streaming downstairs to the senior center which to watch proceedings via live stream.

Given the number of people who turned out for the more than four hour long meeting, the town council agreed unanimously to extend two 30 minute public comment portion of the evening to one hour each, giving Mahwah residents the opportunity to speak before non-residents.

Both the attorney for the town council and town council president Bill Hermansen advised participants that there would be no discussion of the eruv or any religious groups.

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“Tonight’s meeting will be about our agenda item and our code and our code enforcement,” said Hermansen. “What it will not be about is eruvs and religion. If that is why you have come you’ve come to the wrong meeting.”

Numerous speakers stayed on track, discussing the importance of adhering to zoning laws and different ways of preventing local parks from being overrun by outsiders.

But there were more than a few speakers throughout the night whose comments focused on exactly those two topics. Some, who had been seated downstairs in the senior center but came upstairs to address the town council, said that the live stream kept dropping and that they were unaware that the both the eruv and religion were taboo topics.

Mahwah resident Howard Tiersky began his remarks to the town council by saying that he understood how some in Mahwah might be fearful of “numbers of people who don’t look like us, who may not look like they are part of our culture because they dress different or act or behave differently.” But when Tiersky spoke about preventing religious discrimination because it is detrimental to the community, he was shut down by the town attorney.

When Tiersky continued his remarks and mentioned the eruv, he was once again asked to stop.

“So why are we here?” asked Tiersky. “I don’t mean to be disrespectful. I was under the impression this was about this topic. Maybe I misunderstood.”

Reminded again that the eruv and particular religious groups were off limits to prevent opening the town up to any potential liability, Tiersky concluded by addressing the sign ordinance and the PVC pipes that make up the eruv.

“I don’t believe that a piece of pipe with no words or symbols constitutes a sign,” said Tierksy.

Resident Brian Riback, who grew up in Spring Valley, spoke about his childhood in Rockland County which changed drastically over time.

He categorized former Town of Ramapo supervisor Christopher St. Lawrence as “the devil” saying that as a way of expressing his gratitude to certain elements in Ramapo who supported him financially, St. Lawrence lifted zoning restrictions in the town, creating a “free for all.”

While Riback was stopped by the town attorney after ominously warning, “You have no idea what you are up against,” his remarks were greeted by thunderous applause from the audience.

Riback concluded his remarks with his personal advice to the town council.

“I highly suggest as someone who grew up in this mess is that you get a constitutional lawyer, a third party to attend to this and take care of it,” said Riback.

Another Mahwah resident who advised the town council to stay one step ahead by “playing chess while they are play checkers” was shut down abruptly after suggesting that the township “reach out to the communities Lakewood, New Jersey.” Shifting gears, the resident asked the town council how much it would cost to bury all of the telephone lines in Mahwah, thereby circumventing the possibility of using utility poles to construct an eruv.

Michael Cohen, director of the Simon Wiesenthal Center’s eastern region, said that he waited until 10:30 for his chance to address the town council.

Cohen had just barely begun his remarks when he was interrupted by the town attorney who chided him for discussing anti-Semitism and after attempting to defend his constitutional right to free speech during a portion of the meeting that had been designated for discussion of any topic, Cohen was told that his allotted five minutes had passed and that he could not continue with his remarks.

Below video Sami Steigman, a 79 year old Holocaust survivor addresses the board.

Sami Steigman, a 79 year old Holocaust survivor and volunteer at the Simon Wiesenthal Center, was similarly stopped when he tried to address the topics of anti-Semitism and religious tolerance and freedom in regards to the eruv.

Cohen noted that while his own remarks to the town council were halted because he had passed the designated five minute mark, other speakers, particularly those from the Mahwah Strong group which opposes the eruv, were allowed to continue for longer periods of time.

The town council’s refusal to let both him and Steigman speak was extremely problematic, said Cohen, who said that the town could not be held legally liable for any remarks made by private citizens.

“That is a serious breach of the first amendment,” said Cohen. “They are saying we don’t want to hear the other side. We don’t want to hear what you have to say. And who on earth shuts down a Holocaust survivor?”

Outside council chambers, several Mahwah residents offered their opinions on the events of this past week.

A man who only gave his name as Joe said that many Mahwah residents have no idea what Orthodox Judaism is all about, sparking fears about a possible influx of Jewish residents.

“I think people see it as a religion that doesn’t talk to outsiders, that keeps everything in and doesn’t share in their community,” said Joe. “If they move in all around me, will they talk to me? Will they be friendly with me? Will they include me in their community? I think people feel that the answer to those questions is no.”

Jonathan Marcus said that the felt that the fact that Mahwah residents were kept in the dark played a large part in the community’s opposition to the eruv.

“Nobody from the community seeking to erect this came to the communities where they were putting the eruv,” said Marcus. “In my mind it probably would have been a good neighbor move. Most people don’t even know what an eruv is, so let people understand. Have your rebbe come in and explain it to them instead of people waking up one morning and seeing it.”

Marcus also suggested the town council is using the eruv issue for to further its own agenda.

“Residents have an ounce of fear and all it takes is maybe a couple of people with political motives and next thing you know our town is going up in flames,” said Marcus.

Marcus won a seat on the town council last November but declined the position weeks later for personal reasons, with NJ.com (https://njersy.co/2h9aC1i) reporting allegations that he had been subjected to bullying and intimidation on social media.

Former town council member Mary Amoroso said that harassment among elected official has made holding public office “a hazardous occupation in Mahwah” and Marcus’s wife Tammy told the town council last winter that “there is not a word in the English language that is derogatory or vulgar enough to describe what you people have done to my family.”

Karlito Almeda agreed that there was a political component to the eruv controversy and suggested that problems could be solved by opening up the lines of communication.

“There needs to be more education about the eruv, about Chasidim, what they are all about so we create a dialogue,” said Almeda. “When people talk more they tend to get along. There is friction here because there are walls being set up. But this is definitely political and there are definitely egos involved.”



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 Jul 28, 2017 at 11:37 AM Anonymous Says:

Yidden, wake up, look at the hate on these people's faces!

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 Jul 28, 2017 at 12:10 PM yaakov doe Says:

I never realized how threatening a wire on PVC poles could be. Maybe the residents of Mahwah should simply return their land to the Ramapo Indians.

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 Jul 28, 2017 at 12:32 PM AuthenticSatmar Says:

It's a shame that the LGBT community doesn't need an eruv, because then these people would be supporting it. It's obvious this is an anti-jewish agenda. And for all those in our own community calling on us to try to play by the rules and not act "in your face" you are denying the reality.

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 Jul 28, 2017 at 01:05 PM mythoughts Says:

Its never about the string or the piping that make up an eruv. They don't want Jews moving into their neighborhood. When you approach the seller of a home to make an offer, nine out of ten times the money in their pocket will win them over.

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 Jul 28, 2017 at 01:51 PM The Professor Says:

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Anonymous Says:

Yidden, wake up, look at the hate on these people's faces!

Do you blame them? They are largely lower-middle class people the bulk of whose wealth is in the equity in their homes. These come from the same group of voters who supported Trump because he was going to stand in the way of societal change. Change is frightening for many of them. They ask themselves: why can't these Orthodox Jews refrain from crossing the state line and just live where they live now? It's clearly not their problem that home prices in Monsey are in the stratosphere. The Mahwah residents want to sit on their front porches in a way they've always done and not have newcomers stare at them for a perceived lack of modesty, or watch as the house across the street is turned into a poorly cared eyesore. They don't want to be pressured sell their house at a huge profit to newcomers, because then they will be forced to leave the proximity of friends and neighbors with whom they shared many years. An eruv makes all of the above more likely to occur.

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 Jul 28, 2017 at 01:54 PM Anonymous Says:

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Anonymous Says:

Yidden, wake up, look at the hate on these people's faces!

Its not hate. They simply want a quite suburban lifestyle. Frum yidden's life style just does not mesh with the suburban life. Even if we do behave and follow laws its just an oxymoron to a suburban lifestyle. Us jews have lots of kids and send to lots of schools. That automatically means alot more buses and noise in the street thereby clogging the street. Since we all have kids and lots of kids, the parks get full. Noone enjoys when my kids has to wait for a swing because the park is full of kids. People move to the suburbs for these kind of amenities. They want quite streets and spacious parks.

Suburban communities are often tight nit. the whole block makes Sunday BBQ's and we attend events together, Kids are all friends.

If we follow the law, we just do not live a suburban lifestyle Why is everything about anti semtism? I agree its not about sympathy from the holocuast.

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 Jul 28, 2017 at 01:58 PM yonasonw Says:

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Anonymous Says:

Yidden, wake up, look at the hate on these people's faces!

Huh?

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 Jul 28, 2017 at 04:46 PM favish Says:

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Anonymous Says:

Yidden, wake up, look at the hate on these people's faces!

wake up to what? stop living ? stop having children? stop exercizing our religious freedom? Go back to germany into the ovens?

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 Jul 28, 2017 at 05:16 PM favish Says:

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yaakov doe Says:

I never realized how threatening a wire on PVC poles could be. Maybe the residents of Mahwah should simply return their land to the Ramapo Indians.

'sefasayim yishag mayshive devorim nechonim'....also the indians should give back the $12 dollars they got for manhattan island and get it back

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 Jul 28, 2017 at 05:46 PM Mark Levin Says:

"Have your rebbe come...."

What kind of gruba shoyta is this? Obviously a major one! Maybe instead of assuming your know everything about everyone, find out the truth.

I'm hoping Monsey Eruv hires a constiutional lawyer to nip this in the bud.

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 Jul 29, 2017 at 01:04 PM Anonymous Says:

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yaakov doe Says:

I never realized how threatening a wire on PVC poles could be. Maybe the residents of Mahwah should simply return their land to the Ramapo Indians.

Special treatment for religious groups is the threat

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 Jul 29, 2017 at 01:05 PM Anonymous Says:

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AuthenticSatmar Says:

It's a shame that the LGBT community doesn't need an eruv, because then these people would be supporting it. It's obvious this is an anti-jewish agenda. And for all those in our own community calling on us to try to play by the rules and not act "in your face" you are denying the reality.

There is no mention of not respecting the establishment of LGBT in the first amendment, sooooo that's a really bad example

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 Jul 30, 2017 at 06:09 PM ARI Says:

From the goyish point of view, one must be tuned into their legitimate concerns,and their legitimate fears. They don't want hundreds if not thousands of individuals coming into their areas, who show no derech eretz (respect) to others, and are loud, pushy, disobey parking and traffic rules, and hassle local merchants; some of them may also, not practice proper hygiene, and may have a bad odor. There have even been reports in certain areas (i.e. Lakewood), where goyim who have been living in certain areas for generations, are being pressured to sell their homes,and move out, in order that Hareidim may buy their property. The people in Mahwah, NJ, both the goyim, and the secular Jews, have a right to preserve their way of life. In Postville, Iowa, the local townspeople complained for years, pertaining to several hundred frum Jews who moved to their town, and hassled local merchants, regarding the price of merchandise, tried to bribe cops regarding traffic violations, did not properly maintain their property, etc. Also, I feel that it is a mistake for the survivor of the Holocaust to stick his nose into a local matter, since this does not involve genocide.

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