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Oceanside, NY - Jewish Girl In $3M Lawsuit Over Cyber-Bullies On Facebook

Published on: March 1, 2009 03:12 PM
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Oceanside, NY - This Facebook group was just for fun, but now a group of alleged Long Island cyber-bullies is facing a decidedly unfunny $3 million lawsuit by the former classmate they supposedly tormented.

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Denise Finkel, 18, of Oceanside, also names Facebook in her lawsuit, accusing the social-networking Web site of being “grossly irresponsible” for allowing several other Oceanside HS students to post defamatory statements about her.

Defendants Michael Dauber, Jeffrey Schwartz, Leah Herz and Melinda Danowitz allegedly discussed filling a classmate’s locker with rotten garbage and traded nasty barbs about someone they described as “the 11th cent” - claiming the person had AIDS a, according to documents filed in Manhattan Supreme Court.


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 Mar 01, 2009 at 02:17 PM Anonymous Says:

we have to be very careful with these issues, folks. on the one hand, it looks nice, no more nasty people, no more mean comments. on the other hand, it's a curtailing of freedom, where people cannot say/write things on the fear of offending someone. that is very scary. scarier than cyber-bullies.

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 Mar 01, 2009 at 02:17 PM Anonymous Says:

could someone please defame me in facebook? i'll only sue for 1 million.

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 Mar 01, 2009 at 02:20 PM Loshon Hora Says:

In the olden days few dared even snitch to the principal. Today the kids go through court.
Times have changed. I am sure all those kids would easily trade off for a good canning in the principal's office or even in front of the whole school, rather than this.
BTW VIN would have a post with 1000 comments about the child abuse in the canning.
I guess the times have changed not for the good.

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 Mar 01, 2009 at 03:34 PM Me Says:

I don't mean to be the pot who calls the kettle black, but maybe these people have too much time on their hands.

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 Mar 01, 2009 at 04:17 PM Pashuteh Yid Says:

Rabbosai, this is the main reason why we send our kids to yeshiva, whether we realize it or not. It is not for the frumkeit. It is pashut for the kindness and warmth, and the fact that kids are taught not to insult or say loshon hora.

When we then go ahead and knock this group or that, or this rabbi or that, we might as well send our kids to public school, as we are throwing all our yeshiva tuition out the window.

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 Mar 01, 2009 at 04:45 PM Anonymous Says:

teach those kids a lesson they won't forget!!!

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 Mar 01, 2009 at 05:34 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

we have to be very careful with these issues, folks. on the one hand, it looks nice, no more nasty people, no more mean comments. on the other hand, it's a curtailing of freedom, where people cannot say/write things on the fear of offending someone. that is very scary. scarier than cyber-bullies.

Nothing is worse that being tormented by other children, I know. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech MORON, it has to do with protecting the rights of others. And as "supposedly Frum Yidden" we should make sure that our children do not participate in that type of cruel behaviour. It is unacceptable according to Torah values. And please don't give me that trite children will be children BS, because it is real and it hurts. And whats worse is that young bullies grow up to be adult bullies and nothing changes except their age.

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 Mar 01, 2009 at 07:36 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #6  
Pashuteh Yid Says:

Rabbosai, this is the main reason why we send our kids to yeshiva, whether we realize it or not. It is not for the frumkeit. It is pashut for the kindness and warmth, and the fact that kids are taught not to insult or say loshon hora.

When we then go ahead and knock this group or that, or this rabbi or that, we might as well send our kids to public school, as we are throwing all our yeshiva tuition out the window.

Please spare us the "frum peoplpe are always best" baloney. Do you really think that no bullying, teasing and taunting happen in yeshivos? You're head is so deep in the sand, that you no longer recognize the difference between the sand and real oxygen!

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 Mar 01, 2009 at 07:33 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
Anonymous Says:

Nothing is worse that being tormented by other children, I know. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech MORON, it has to do with protecting the rights of others. And as "supposedly Frum Yidden" we should make sure that our children do not participate in that type of cruel behaviour. It is unacceptable according to Torah values. And please don't give me that trite children will be children BS, because it is real and it hurts. And whats worse is that young bullies grow up to be adult bullies and nothing changes except their age.

I totally agreee with you. There is a very fine line between children or teenagers just choosing who their friends are based on common interests and personalities, as opposed to taunting someone to bring them down so that they can feel good about themselves. Unfortunately, this really has nothing to do with going to yeshiva vs. not; it's really just as bad in the yeshivas as in the public schools. I'm a teacher so I know. Kid will be kids should be taken out of the vocabulary. It remains a mystery to me as to why people intentionally hurt other people in the guise of a joke. I hope she gets her money.

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 Mar 01, 2009 at 06:56 PM Anonymous Says:

#1, the first amendment does not give people the right to libel and slander. People can and do sue when they have been libeled/slandered. If these bullies truly said this girl has AIDS when she doesn't, they can ruin her prospects for marriage and employment, as well as her everyday personal/social life (many parents will not want their daughters being friends with her for fear of their daughters being being possibly exposed to this disease, even though casual contact is supposedly safe).

If the allegations are true, I hope her lawsuit is successful. It will set a powerful precedent and deterrent, potentially saving countless other kids from the pain of bullying.

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 Mar 01, 2009 at 09:19 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #10  
Anonymous Says:

I totally agreee with you. There is a very fine line between children or teenagers just choosing who their friends are based on common interests and personalities, as opposed to taunting someone to bring them down so that they can feel good about themselves. Unfortunately, this really has nothing to do with going to yeshiva vs. not; it's really just as bad in the yeshivas as in the public schools. I'm a teacher so I know. Kid will be kids should be taken out of the vocabulary. It remains a mystery to me as to why people intentionally hurt other people in the guise of a joke. I hope she gets her money.

Thank you, #8

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 Mar 01, 2009 at 09:30 PM morning sleeper Says:

of course its facebook's fault that a overly sensetive kid created an account and got tormented!!!

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 Mar 01, 2009 at 10:01 PM Anonymous Says:

poor girl i hope somthing happens to her freinds

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 Mar 01, 2009 at 09:46 PM jew boy Says:

i think its messed up that she is sueing but in this politically incorrect world we live in shes definatly gonna win the case what an accomplishment your just 3 million dollars richer

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 Mar 02, 2009 at 01:54 PM seriously... Says:

this girls is my hall mate in college...and this is all over some stupid private facebook joke a couple years ago when the kids were in high school. the group only lasted 2 days and no one else could see it but them. i think it's time to get over it......

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 Mar 02, 2009 at 02:21 PM Anonymous Says:

I actually know a couple of the defendants. They are good, responsible kids, perhaps they made an unfunny joke, but I'm certain it wasn't malicious. Clearly the plaintiff is being accusatorial for reasons other than her self-esteem.

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 07:50 AM Anonymous Says:

frankly, anytime children/students do something like this, it is most CERTAINLY malicious. You've got to be kidding me. It is having fun or a laugh AT SOMEONE ELSE's EXPENSE -- and it is most certainly HURTFUL. This from a parent whose son is harrassed and tormented in other ways by mean-spirited boys whose own personal issues are taken out on a friendly and innocent kid purely because he DOESN'T get in trouble in school and does what he is supposed to (which is clearly not cool), and who isn't assertive enough to fight back so they pick on him because they know they can. They have made my son a very sad young man (this is an understatement), every morning, when he has to face the school day wondering what insult or action will hurl his way. If you do not experience this as a child or as a parent, you have no idea how hurtful and damaging it actually can be.

This nasty behavior should NOT be tolerated and the parents of these kids should get a reality check. Usually kids who do these things have parents who are somewhat blind to the real nature and actions of their kids. Wake up parents -- your kids are not as wonderful as you think. They are nasty and mean and hurtful and rather than making excuses for them or denying their behavior you should be having a real serious discussion with them that includes some consequences for their actions.

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 10:53 AM Anonymous Says:

Somewhere between both extremes is the truth. I know one of the defendant families involved, and apparently, the girl has some social issues of her own. Also, this happened in 10th grade. This is a gross waste of taxpayer dollars and court time, where murderers, rapists and extortionists will be kept patiently waiting their turn while the crybaby plays "Testify For Dollars".

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 Mar 03, 2009 at 03:51 PM Anonymous Says:

I know Denise very well. Those awful children made her life a living hell.

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 Mar 04, 2009 at 08:12 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #1  
Anonymous Says:

we have to be very careful with these issues, folks. on the one hand, it looks nice, no more nasty people, no more mean comments. on the other hand, it's a curtailing of freedom, where people cannot say/write things on the fear of offending someone. that is very scary. scarier than cyber-bullies.

are you serious? how is it curtailing freedom? things like this were being sued over long before the internet was ever invented. you dont need to worry about your opinion offending anyone but you cant just make up malicious lies about someone and state them as fact. libel isnt new its just a new medium

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 Mar 04, 2009 at 07:12 PM kelly J Says:

Its fine to be a defender of freedom of speech however that ammendment does not sanction libal (the spreading of lies about an indvidual) Some have been saying kids will be kids however at 16 17 and 18 children know it is not okay to bully someone else. This was not a simply matter of calling her a name they humiliated her over the internet met in a group which she could not join in order to make up horrible lies about this girl. Also Aids is not a light subject and to use it in a way to scare others from being anothers friend is not okay at all. THose who are inflicted with such a horrible diease have fought long and hard for there rights and their toil is not something to make light of or to use as a bullying tactic. whether its worth 3 mil$ Idk but I most certainly hope it effects any scholorships or grants the kids have and that it remains of their reccord when it comes to job interviews its time young adults learn that the character flaw of bullying is not acceptable!

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 Mar 16, 2009 at 08:12 PM Anonymous Says:

I can't say what the kids did was right. But suing for $3 million over some petty high school stupidity is ridiculous. I can understand punishing the kids to teach them a lesson with some misdemeanor, but even so it was a couple years ago when it happened. What high school kids haven't done dumb things? Its always been happening, people get hurt grow up and move on. Suing isn't going to fix whatever emotional damage she has because of what happened back then, its just going to make more people dislike her and be wary of her.

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 Apr 14, 2010 at 11:40 PM Becca Says:

Reply to #11  
Anonymous Says:

#1, the first amendment does not give people the right to libel and slander. People can and do sue when they have been libeled/slandered. If these bullies truly said this girl has AIDS when she doesn't, they can ruin her prospects for marriage and employment, as well as her everyday personal/social life (many parents will not want their daughters being friends with her for fear of their daughters being being possibly exposed to this disease, even though casual contact is supposedly safe).

If the allegations are true, I hope her lawsuit is successful. It will set a powerful precedent and deterrent, potentially saving countless other kids from the pain of bullying.

First of all the faceboook group was private so Denise wouldn't of been able to see it, She stole the password from a girl in the group 2 YEARS AGO. It was a joke between 10 people and they diddn't stick anything in the girls locker that's a lie. I personally know all the kids involved and they were all good, A students. AAnd if she was really defamed she would have sued when it happened not after they all graduated from high school. Also the group was only up for 2 days so before you say that they wanted her to feel pain and upset andbully her know your facts before you publicize your opinion.

Denise made this public. Know one else knew about what these 10 GOOD kids said on that private facebook page.

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 Apr 14, 2010 at 11:43 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #22  
kelly J Says:

Its fine to be a defender of freedom of speech however that ammendment does not sanction libal (the spreading of lies about an indvidual) Some have been saying kids will be kids however at 16 17 and 18 children know it is not okay to bully someone else. This was not a simply matter of calling her a name they humiliated her over the internet met in a group which she could not join in order to make up horrible lies about this girl. Also Aids is not a light subject and to use it in a way to scare others from being anothers friend is not okay at all. THose who are inflicted with such a horrible diease have fought long and hard for there rights and their toil is not something to make light of or to use as a bullying tactic. whether its worth 3 mil$ Idk but I most certainly hope it effects any scholorships or grants the kids have and that it remains of their reccord when it comes to job interviews its time young adults learn that the character flaw of bullying is not acceptable!

They didn't want to hurt the girl they were just venting and only the 10 people involved in he PRIVATE facebook group knew what was said on it. Also Denise is not suing all of the people in the gruop only a selective few. Even though all of them participated in the discussions in the group.

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 Apr 14, 2010 at 11:47 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #20  
Anonymous Says:

I know Denise very well. Those awful children made her life a living hell.

know the people in the group too. And they didn't make the group public. Denise took the password for the private group from one of the girls. And if her life was a living hell she should have sued while they were in High School not after.

Also those awful children are actually the nicest people you'll meet and they didn't even want anyone but the 10 people in the group to see what they wrote.

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 Apr 14, 2010 at 11:53 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #18  
Anonymous Says:

frankly, anytime children/students do something like this, it is most CERTAINLY malicious. You've got to be kidding me. It is having fun or a laugh AT SOMEONE ELSE's EXPENSE -- and it is most certainly HURTFUL. This from a parent whose son is harrassed and tormented in other ways by mean-spirited boys whose own personal issues are taken out on a friendly and innocent kid purely because he DOESN'T get in trouble in school and does what he is supposed to (which is clearly not cool), and who isn't assertive enough to fight back so they pick on him because they know they can. They have made my son a very sad young man (this is an understatement), every morning, when he has to face the school day wondering what insult or action will hurl his way. If you do not experience this as a child or as a parent, you have no idea how hurtful and damaging it actually can be.

This nasty behavior should NOT be tolerated and the parents of these kids should get a reality check. Usually kids who do these things have parents who are somewhat blind to the real nature and actions of their kids. Wake up parents -- your kids are not as wonderful as you think. They are nasty and mean and hurtful and rather than making excuses for them or denying their behavior you should be having a real serious discussion with them that includes some consequences for their actions.

First of all the kids in the group are A students and actually very nice I know the kids in the group and the parents and they're all nice. Don't call them naty, mean and hurtful because you don't even know them. And if her life was such a living hell why didn't she sue when it happened not 2 years after. Also Denise stole the password from one of the girls because the facebook page was private. They didn't go out and intentionally hurt her by suing she made what they say public beforethat it was suppose to be private.

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 Apr 14, 2010 at 11:57 PM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #8  
Anonymous Says:

Nothing is worse that being tormented by other children, I know. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech MORON, it has to do with protecting the rights of others. And as "supposedly Frum Yidden" we should make sure that our children do not participate in that type of cruel behaviour. It is unacceptable according to Torah values. And please don't give me that trite children will be children BS, because it is real and it hurts. And whats worse is that young bullies grow up to be adult bullies and nothing changes except their age.

First of all none of the people are bullies. And Denise stole the password to the PRIVATE GROUP , that lasted 2 days and made it public by suing.

I hope this Denise girl gets NOTHING!!!!!!!

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 Apr 15, 2010 at 12:01 AM Anonymous Says:

Reply to #7  
Anonymous Says:

teach those kids a lesson they won't forget!!!

Shut up! you don't even know the kids like I DO, and this kids are good kids, she just wants the money!! Obviously she wants the money other wise she wouldn't have sued the parents too. She alos didn't sue all of the kids who participated only a select few.

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